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Biden’s Shocking Admission from the Vice Presidential Debate

Congressman Paul Ryan

In a welcome twist to the vice presidential debate tonight, moderator Martha Raddatz asked Vice President Biden and Congressman Ryan to personally address their views on abortion. While I found it odd for Raddatz to specifically tie the issue of abortion to religion, both men chose to address their political, personal, and policy views as well. Paul Ryan said it best:

Now, you want to ask basically why I’m pro-life? It’s not simply because of my Catholic faith. That’s a factor, of course. But it’s also because of reason and science.

Ryan went on to do a stellar job explaining the logical pro-life position. He boldly proclaimed that life begins at conception, and he shared a personal story of seeing his own daughter’s heartbeat at just 7 weeks in utero. In addition, Ryan went on to call out President Obama’s administration for their attacks on religious liberty and Biden’s acceptance of China’s one-child policy. He also made a point of illustrating how extreme the Democrat platform on abortion has become:

Look at what they’re doing through Obamacare with respect to assaulting the religious liberties of this country. They’re infringing upon our first freedom, the freedom of religion, by infringing on Catholic charities, Catholic churches, Catholic hospitals.

Our church should not have to sue our federal government to maintain their religious liberties. And with respect to abortion, the Democratic Party used to say they wanted it to be safe, legal and rare. Now they support it without restriction and with taxpayer funding. Taxpayer funding in Obamacare, taxpayer funding with foreign aid. The vice president himself went to China and said that he sympathized and wouldn’t second guess their one child policy of forced abortions and sterilizations. That to me is pretty extreme.

While Ryan did unfortunately emphasize a Romney administration’s support for the rape and incest exception to abortion, it seems that he did not personally agree with this exception. He appeared to make a distinction between the principle that life begins at conception (his own position) and Romney’s policy to except abortions for rape and incest.

Ryan also scored yet another point when he reminded President Biden that an entire host of Catholic organizations, hospitals, and the like would not be suing over ObamaCare if their religious liberty weren’t being violated.

While it’s clear that Ryan answered the abortion question with knowledge and accuracy, Biden’s answer was much more shocking. As a Catholic, he first stated:

The Catholic social doctrine talks about taking care of those who – who can’t take care of themselves, people who need help. With regard to – with regard to abortion, I accept my church’s position on abortion as a – what we call a de fide doctrine. Life begins at conception in the church’s judgment. I accept it in my personal life.

One would think such a statement would lead to a political position of defending the unborn – the ultimate people who can’t take care of themselves, the people who most need help. One would hope that Biden, with his years of experience, would be aware that science – not just religion – unarguably informs us that life begins at conception. But instead, Biden spoke of his belief that his personal views ought not to be imposed on “equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews.”

Vice President Joe Biden: Photo Credit–Richiec on Flickr

An odd factor in Biden’s statement is that devout Christians and Muslims are two of the biggest groups opposed to abortion. In fact, Biden would not be imposing his views on these groups that wholeheartedly agree with him.

Biden also contradicted his own admission that life begins at conception by stating that he does “not believe that we have a right to tell other people that – women they can’t control their body. It’s a decision between them and their doctor.” However, if he believes that life – presumably a new life – begins at conception, we are not just talking about a woman controlling her own body. We are talking about ending the life of a new, unique human being. Biden seems to personally realize this truth, but refused to publicly acknowledge it.

Yet another shocking statement from Biden came in his words about ObamaCare and religious liberty:

With regard to the assault on the Catholic church, let me make it absolutely clear, no religious institution, Catholic or otherwise, including Catholic Social Services, Georgetown Hospital, Mercy Hospital, any hospital, none has to either refer contraception, none has to pay for contraception, none has to be a vehicle to get contraception in any insurance policy they provide. That is a fact.

That is a fact.

Uh, sorry, Mr. Vice President, but your facts are not real facts. Under ObamaCare, churches are practically the only organizations which have been exempted from the contraception mandate. The definition of religious employers used in the exemption section was so narrow (think a definition supplied by the ACLU and recognized in only three states) that even Catholic Charities doesn’t qualify. After all, they serve non-Catholic people. (And yes, I realize that religiously affiliated universities were given a modification on the original mandate. Still, being forced to provide insurance that gives free contraception to the students is a roundabout way of requiring the university to provide it.)

Now, Biden may have been referring to the one-year grace period so graciously offered by Kathleen Sebelius and company. Non-profit employers who object to the mandate for religious reasons have been given until August 2013 to comply or be fined. So Biden is correct that, as of this moment, these organizations don’t have to pay for or provide contraception.

However, pending the outcome of the many court cases, 2013 may be a very different story.

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  • panda de bear

    The acceptance of abortion in the instance of rape and invest is pushed so hard by Romney, because that is the teachings and belief of the LDS Church.

    • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Astraspider

      It’s also the belief of the wide swaths of middle America. Running on Mr. Ryan’s — and Ms. Brown’s — beliefs would be an electoral disaster.

      • Kristiburtonbrown

        But they are a victory for true human rights. Just because a view is held by the majority doesn’t make it right. Babies conceived in rape are no less babies than any other babies. The crimes of their father should not define them. Why would we put a baby to death for a crime we cannot even put the rapist himself to death for?

        Here are stories from real people, conceived in rape but allowed to LIVE: http://www.rebeccakiessling.com/Othersconceivedinrape.html

        After saying this, though, I already know you and I disagree on the rape exception =) This article really isn’t about that, though. Let’s talk about the real issue – how can VP Biden admit that he knows life begins at conception and yet still support abortion on demand and even forced abortion in China? That’s the real question.

    • Solntsye

      I wouldn’t say it’s the acceptance of abortion in cases of rape/incest, so much as it is acceptance of allowing the victimized woman to choose what she would prefer to do in the aftermath of such a horrendous crime. Nobody is insisting that women who become pregnant via rape must abort, and nobody is claiming that rape babies are any less human. What they are doing (by allowing for the rape exception) is acknowledging the woman’s innocence in the attack, and letting her decide what will best allow her to heal. Whatever each woman in such circumstances chooses, we have to believe she made the best choice for her own recovery- and she deserves to be able to recover, after surviving something as dehumanizing and degrading as rape.

      • Kristiburtonbrown

        I completely agree that women deserve the chance to heal. But what does it say about us if we say that one option for women to heal is by killing another innocent human being? Just because the mother is a victim and 100% innocent doesn’t mean she should have the freedom to kill another innocent person. If, as you say, “nobody is claiming that rape babies are any less human,” than we have no excuse to kill them. They are equally human and they have done nothing to deserve death.

        Rape and incest or horrible crimes. We need to punish them more severely, imo. But we don’t punish an innocent person for the sake of healing another innocent person. Both innocent people ought to be taken care of.

        I know you’ll say different women are different, but plenty of women are actually harmed more by compounding their rape with an abortion (http://www.prolifeblogs.com/articles/archives/2009/02/abortion_after.php). It’s two violent acts instead of one. That can never be right.

        • Solntsye

          But the raped woman would be punished by having to endure pregnancy and experience the agony of labor and delivery. I thought she was a victim? Why should she be punished with such a horrible corporal punishment for being raped? There’s nothing simple about pregnancy, and it leaves an indelible mark on the woman from every aspect of her being. And we could never make light of labor and delivery- if we put felons through something of that pain equivalent, we’d be guilty of cruel and unusual punishment. Yet it’s acceptable to do this to a victim of rape?

          Again, I’m not insisting that a woman who becomes pregnant via rape must abort; I’m just thinking she has the right to her autonomy in her recovery. If she would rather carry and deliver- then good on her for being strong enough. But if she’d rather try to return her life to what it was before the attack, then who am I to insist she go through such hell and pain? Even if she “can put the baby up for adoption if she doesn’t want to raise him/her”, she still has to go through the hell of pregnancy and the agony of labor and delivery.

          I guess Kristi, all I want to know is, what can you offer to the raped woman? I’d love to be able to join up with you and say no abortions for any reason, but I can not look into the face of a victimized woman and say that without having anything to offer her. What the heck do we say to her? I totally understand everything you’re saying about the baby, but what do we offer to poor, raped mom? Especially mom who doesn’t want to be “mom”.

          And yes, I’m with you on the punishment for rapists should be way more severe…like, death comes to mind. They destroy their victims’ lives just as the murderer does.

          • Kristiburtonbrown

            Without a doubt, rape is cruel and unfair. I’m not saying it’s fair for a woman to have to go through any amount of pain when she did something wrong. But I firmly believe it’s even more unfair and entirely wrong to sentence another innocent person to die.

            You’re right that we need to be able to offer more things to raped women. We need to have ministries set up for them – and there certainly are some – that offer them counseling, support throughout their pregnancy, adoption options, and supplies for those who want to keep their babies. But we should not offer them the option of killing their child.

            We need to realize that allowing an innocent woman to kill her innocent child does not help her. Offering someone a violent solution to put their life back to how it was will actually not return them to a normal life. Now, instead of someone else committing violence against them, they have now also committed violence against an innocent baby. That’s not a workable solution. Plus, raped women who have had abortions comment that abortion was like experiencing the rape all over again. It doesn’t set things right, heal them, or fix things. It simply adds to the violence.

          • Solntsye

            So you can look a raped woman in the eye and tell her what she needs? That’s pretty cold, honey. I don’t think you have much experience relating directly to raped women on a face-to-face level.

            Like I said before, if she would rather carry and deliver- that’s awesome, and so good of her. But how do you go about coldly looking into the eyes of a destroyed victim and say “I don’t care how you feel. I know what is best for you. You will endure pregnancy and all it entails, and the agony of labor and delivery…despite the fact that this was all in result to a violent attack and against all your wishes”?

            I’m not attempting to change your mind, I just want to know what on earth should I say to women who were raped, are not willing to go through vomiting for nine months, permanent body changes, the pain throughout your body as your body changes during pregnancy, all the physical issues of pregnancy, the hell of labor and the ungodly pain of delivery? What do we say to them, to justify our wishes? If you could give me something to say to women in this awful circumstance- something that would make it all acceptable and understandable, something that would make everything tolerable for these women- then I could be right along with you. But until then, I guess I’ll go on being the red-headed step child here, lol…..pro-life, but not pro-life enough!

            I don’t think I’d ever have been willing to go through pregnancy and delivery to have my rapists’ baby. Having my own, and very wanted kids was awful enough- although worth it, as I did it more than once. But I could never, for one I didn’t want, from a man who was an attacker…no way, sorry.

  • gwdisqus

    I’m pretty sure the inaudible part of Joe’s comment was him saying “de fide”. Check it out again and see if that makes sense.

  • Joanne S.

    Ryan personally disagrees with Romney on the exception for rape and incest, but the latter is 2% or less of all abortions. While I don’t agree with Romney’s position, I’d rather see 98% of abortions eliminated rather than none. The Dems want to paint the GOP as extreme on abortion and would succeed in doing so were it not for these exceptions, and, sadly, many women find it cruel not to allow these two exceptions.
    We all know it’s the other side that has the extreme view that extends into partial birth abortion and infanticide, so let’s push for gains where we can get them and save lives. Right now we are killing more than 4,000 unborn babies EVERY DAY in the U.S., an d half of those unborn babies are female!

    • Kristiburtonbrown

      Yes, without a doubt. Joanne. I agree that the more we can save, the better. But we should not stop saving those we can simply because we cannot save them all, as you said.

  • Deborah Ann

    BRAVO, you covered it all! This is an excellent article, thank you and God bless you!

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  • standtall909

    This was a glaring admission by Biden. As with a few other parts of the debate, his profoundly inaccurate (to be charitable) statements really floored me. I was actually stunned by his tirade about the Church not having to foot the bill or make referrals for practices they don’t believe in. Soooo totally false. I am wondering if he really thinks what he said was true. Interesting.

  • MOS was 71331

    I don’t want the mere claim of having been raped to provide automatic permission for an abortion. The three innocent members of the Duke lacrosse team clearly showed that not every rape accusation is true. Neither prostitute was pregnant, so abortion wasn’t an issue in that case.

    Untrue claims of an incest are much less likely than untrue claims of rape, as the identity of the incestuous parent would be known, and, if pregnancy resulted, a DNA test could confirm the accusation.

  • simplythursday

    Although I do not personally support abortion in cases of rape and incest, I would be jumping for joy if the politicians outlawed abortion except in cases of reported rape or incest. Don’t those abortions only account for something like 2%? I think it’s a “compromise” if you will, and i think it is the best “shot” conservatives have at reducing abortions.

    • Kristiburtonbrown

      I agree with you that we need to save as many as possible. While I fully support stopping abortion in the cases of rape and incest, I am not an “all-or-nothing pro-lifer.” If we can save 98%, let’s not fail to do it simply because we can’t save 100%. Of course, I think that we must always come back to fight for the 2% also, until they are saved. But we should win where we can, as you’ve said!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=559594229 Diana Hayden

      Even in cases of rape and incest, bring the pregnancy to term and put the child up for adoption. I’m there’s someone out there that would love to take of him/her.

      • Solntsye

        But you are ignoring the hell the raped woman would go through to carry and deliver the baby. The permanent and life-altering event that is pregnancy compounding the already permanent and life-altering event that was the horror of her attack. Does the raped woman deserve the corporal punishment of the magnitude of labor and delivery? I thought she was a victim, and yet you are so casually advocating that she should pay for the crime perpetuated against her by insisting she experience the single-most painful event known to human beings? That doesn’t sound like a very fair judgement system you have there.

        If the raped woman would rather, by her own choice, carry and deliver…then fantastic. She’s awesome for feeling strong enough to go through with it, whether she keeps the baby or adopts the baby out. But it is simply wrong to physically punish the person that lived through the violent attack, was degraded and dehumanized, by insisting she bear such awful physical agony- the illness of the pregnancy and the agony of delivery.

        It is not as simple as you try to pretend it is, sorry.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=559594229 Diana Hayden

          pregnancy is not an “illness” it’s a blessing. Children are a blessing to have and to cherish. There are medications that you can use where you don’t feel a thing and the only thing you have to do is push… like epidurals or other pain-relieving drugs for labor pains. To not have to go thru this “cruel treatment” as you put it, don’t get pregnant. In other words, don’t have intimate relations with someone w/out being sure that you want to have kids with the guy you’re being intimate with…

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  • Lorli

    so in other words, “it’s okay to murder as long as you’re good with it… I mean… I’m not good with it, so I probably wouldn’t… but if you don’t have a problem with it…” What’s up with that?! Either the child is alive or it’s not, but there are some things there just isn’t a half-way for! That man is not truly pro-life.

    “You can fool all the people some of the time, or some of the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.” ~Abraham Lincoln

  • J.W.

    Kristi, I’m so glad you wrote this article. I read your previous blog (10/3/12) today, the day after the V.P. debate. I agree with you completely in both cases. V. Pres, Biden admitted to being a person of the Catholic religious faith. This particular religion, among others, believes in a monotheistic God made personal to the believer in the 2nd person of the Trinity, Jesus Christ. Since Mr. Biden says this is his faith and that he personally is not for abortion, we must assume that this is what he believes, and that it is important to him, since he expects and/or wants(?) us to believe that he is telling the truth. This supposedly being the case, it doesn’t seem logical that he, (and therefore we), could or should separate his strongly-held beliefs from his actions. Either one believes in a truth or one doesn’t; and belief implies to act on it. He has told us this ‘belief’ of his, but he has done, through his Party-line, everything in his power to act against the Right to Life for the unborn, and he expects the American voters and citizenry to do likewise. V.Pres. Biden needs to read your articles of 10/3 and 10/12 and to be questioned in public regarding the truthfulness of the aforementioned statements, which he made in last night’s debate. That’s my political opinion. My moral statement is that I believe abortion in all situations, unless the life of the mother is at stake, is to be avoided, because (if successful) it is the ultimate destruction of a human life. Lord willing, my actions must and will follow my beliefs. [And, as much as is humanly possible, may our voting follow along with our beliefs.]

    • Kristiburtonbrown

      Thanks for your comments, J.W. They’re very encouraging! I agree that I wish more politicians would actually ACT on what they know to be true instead of just giving the truth lip service. Abortion is indeed the ultimate destruction of human life, and we must vote accordingly.

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