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College sues Obama admin over abortion pill

College sues Obama admin over abortion pill

The Washington Times reported Thursday that Colorado Christian College is suing the Obama administration. If you’re thinking to yourself, “Self, if someone’s suing the Obama administration it’s probably because of health care,” well, you’re right. Last year, Kathleen Sebelius, the Secretary of Health and Human Services, issued a mandate as part of the health care reform bill requiring businesses to pay for Plan B and ella, two “emergency” contraceptives.

Insurers will be required to provide these medications — which can be used to cause abortions — without a co-pay. In layman’s terms, they would be free.

But you and I know nothing is free. Who pays for that abortion pill? The taxpayer. In other words: you.

Although medical literature states these drugs will not terminate an “established” pregnancy, they don’t tell you exactly what “established” means. The drug information for both Plan B and ella states that they can stop or delay ovulation, or they can keep a fertilized egg from attaching to the uterine wall.

When used effectively as an emergency contraceptive, it is obviously too late for the drug to keep a woman from ovulating. The woman takes the drug in that case to keep a fertilized egg — which is to say, a zygote; which is to say, a living human being — from implanting in the uterus. This is, quite simply, a very early abortion.

Colorado Christian College is suing on the grounds that this mandate violates freedom of speech and religion. There are still a few exceptions being made for religious objections, but the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops and other organizations — such as Colorado Christian College — are saying the exemptions are not broad enough.

This week the USCCB ran a full-page ad in the New York Times and the Washington Post condemning the mandate. “As written, the rule will force Catholic organizations that play a vital role in providing health care and other needed services either to violate their conscience or severely curtail those services,” the ad said. “This would harm both religious freedom and access to health care.”

Discussing this with someone, I heard an argument I often hear: “Well, you don’t get to choose where your tax money goes.”

I have two answers to that argument. First: well, we do get to choose. By voting. Except we the people did not get to vote on abortion. The Supreme Court discovered a right to abortion in the Constitution one day. “Oh, hey, look! There it is!”

Second: so we don’t all get to order where our taxes go, a la carte. It would be pretty cool if you could fill in a little form and say, ”I want my money to only go to schools and roads, not to pay grants to ‘artists’ who submerge sharks in formaldehyde and call it ‘Untitled No. 3: Man’s Existential Dilemma’ so they can get invited to parties in SoHo.” It doesn’t work that way. We pay taxes and the government spends our money however they want.

But wait a second! We’re supposed to be in charge of the government and how it spends our money. In theory, they work for us.

So where do we draw the line? Here’s a hypothetical: we all wake up tomorrow and the President or the Speaker of the House comes on TV and says, “Good morning, my fellow Americans. We’ve decided that 80% of all tax revenues will be spent building a giant machine that will find and murder all the world’s puppies.” Couldn’t we object to — and stop — our tax dollars being spent on a puppy-killing machine?

Or let’s say a government representative came on TV and said, “From now on, some of your money is going to be spent to pay for other people’s abortions, and if you refuse, you’ll be fined.” That is exactly what’s happening.

All pro-lifers should be educated about these so-called “abortion pills.” Our whole argument — our entire cause — is based on the simple, scientific fact that a unique, priceless human life begins at the moment of conception. If this is true — and it is — Plan B or ella, when used effectively as an emergency contraceptive, is every bit as responsible for the death of a living person as an abortionist.

Can we, as members of a free society, require people to participate — financially or otherwise — in an act they believe is wrong? This issue is different from one of, say, national defense, where Congress has the Constitutional authority to act as they see fit on behalf of the nation. This is the case of a private individual committing what I believe to be murder, and expecting me to foot the bill.

What do you think? Does Colorado Christian College have a case? Do you have a problem paying for other people’s abortions, whether caused by a pill or surgically?

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  • Anonymous

    But you and I know nothing is free. Who pays for that abortion pill? The taxpayer. In other words: you.

    No, the insurer pays for it with the same money that it uses to pay for any other medication: income from premiums. 

    When used effectively as an emergency contraceptive, it is obviously too late for the drug to keep a woman from ovulating.

    This is arrant nonsense.  Sperm remains viable in the body for several days; this is why a woman’s period of peak fertility is the days leading up to ovulation rather than the days following it.  Regardless of whether or not they prevent implantation, emergency contraceptive pills primarily prevent pregnancy by inhibiting ovulation.  

    All pro-lifers should be educated about these so-called “abortion pills.”
    Yes.  It is unsurprising but unfortunate that you are misinforming them instead.

    • Mark

      “Sperm remains viable in the body for several days; this is why a woman’s
      period of peak fertility is the days leading up to ovulation rather
      than the days following it.” 

      That does not negate the fact that she remains fertile after ovulation, and therefore sex, say, the day after ovulation, would be a circumstance in which a woman could terminate her pregnancy with emergency contraceptive pills, thus ending a human life.

      “Regardless of whether or not they prevent
      implantation, emergency contraceptive pills primarily prevent pregnancy
      by inhibiting ovulation.”

      “Primarily”, perhaps, but at least secondarily by ending pregnancy by preventing implantation; in other words, aborting the pregnancy.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

         ’”Primarily”, perhaps, but at least secondarily by ending pregnancy by
        preventing implantation; in other words, aborting the pregnancy’

        EARTH TO MARK: if no implantation, then there’s no pregnancy TO BEGIN WITH, thus it’s not an abortion.

        “Abortion is defined as the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo prior to viability” WIKI

        “In mammals, pregnancy is the period of reproduction during which a female carries one or more live offspring from implantation in the uterus through gestation” WIKI

        “In humans, implantation is the stage at which the embryo adheres to the wall of the uterus, believed by some to be the beginning of pregnancy.[1] At this stage of prenatal development, the embryo is a blastocyst.” WIKI

        i wish you pro-life, schizophrenic fascists people would just accept that you guys have no valid argument against a woman’s will and legal rights to abort…and just quit with these lies.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=691083515 Charles Gallucci

          Gale, the American Heritage dictionary defines “pregnant” as “carrying developing offspring within the body.”  A zygote, at conception, according to her dna, is human offspring, presuming her mother is human.  And because she is undergoing mitosis, is a developing human offspring.  ”Carrying developing offspring within the body.”  At conception a woman is pregnant.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

            that’s really stupid, because without implantation by zygote, the woman is not pregnant…hell, you can’t get an accurate pregnancy test reading until 17 days later after sex, if implantation happen at all.

            it’s clear that you don’t what HCG is?

          • Homeschool4jmj

            Actually, a blood test can detect a pregnancy 7 days after conception. It is clear, you have NO background in science, even basic biology.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Walter-Congdon/763155787 Stephanie Walter Congdon

            You can call it whatever you want, but Charles is simply quoting a definition.  The fact that you’re uncomfortable with the definition & feel compelled to resort to name-calling & insults is pretty sad.

          • Katlyn

            Actually you can get a positive pregnancy test as early as eight days after ovulation. I got positives eight to nine days after ovulation both times I was pregnant. One of those two times I had sex only once, and it was the day I ovulated. So you are not stating facts; 17 days is highly inaccurate.

            The argument is when does life begin? Conception, implantation, birth or sometime in between. This is the argument. I believe life begins at conception, this is why Plan B kills the itty-bitty baby aka the zygote OR it makes the womb inhabitable so the zygote dies.

            HCG is only the hormone that the body releases once it realizes that there is a baby implanted. It doesn’t signal the beginning but merely the realization.

        • Cristina


          i wish you pro-life, schizophrenic fascists people would just accept that you guys have no valid argument against a woman’s will and legal rights to abort…and just quit with these lies.”
          The funny thing is that a woman’s right to choose is not guaranteed by the laws, it is guaranteed by God. It is called free will. At this point, in this country, it is protected by the laws. Laws which promised to make abortion safer and less frequent. (Also a law that has taken every right to protect that unborn child’s life away from the father.  How soon do you think before men get smart and start negating women parental support due to the fact that the law impeded them the opportunity to select abortion for the unborn child? If they had no choice in killing the kid, they should not be held responsible for the life their mother chose to protect. Same coin, different side, ugly side.) Unfortunately, laws of the land, in the case of abortion, have too often turned their backs on regulation and documentation. And so, no, it has not become safer or less frequent, quite the opposite actually. For many years, hospitals around abortion clinics have been taking in countless patients with post abortive complications. Volunteer services have been counseling the women who do suffer from post abortive depression. Abortion has become a huge money maker, not a safe and less frequent procedure.  A woman’s will, as well as a man’s will is her own. No law can change that, only the individual’s endurance, conviction and perseverance. A law can protect the choices people make, whether in favor or against their will, as is the case with the particular women who are forced into abortions.  But, as I see it, pro choicers have no valid argument in favor of a woman’s will and legal rights to abortion because A) When legal laws fail to mirror moral laws, there is a distortion about morality itself taking place in society and some people tend to justify their immoral choices based on immoral laws. B) I have yet to come across a pro-choicer that respects a woman’s choice of life or takes responsibility or claims accountability for the countless women who regret their abortions, who have had post abortive complications or have lost their lives while having a safe abortion.  While this is not every woman, the fact is that there are many who do and your side is doing nothing about it. So, when the abortion industry and the pro aborts (call yourselves what you are, really*) are willing to clean up the mess they leave behind, then, they’ll at least have the responsibility and the accountability for the choices they counsel women to make and the doors they open for the men who chose for their women.  Right now, you don’t have a leg to stand on. We are still here, taking them in, helping them out whether they choose life or abortion, we don’t turn any woman looking for help away. 
          I think some people just love to go off and insult everyone and make themselves sound liberal and modern. When those people stop getting in the way of themselves, maybe they’ll realize that this path is not only self destructive, but it is not new or innovative or modern. Just look across the pond to Europe. The negative population growth is affecting countries like Spain and Russia to the point where they are opening citizenship to third generation immigrants and paying women to carry their pregnancies to term. Both countries with a very loose, very irresponsible abortion policy. Where do you think we are headed with your rantings about women’s rights and wills? I am a woman. I have rights guaranteed by the constitution and protected by law. But I also have responsibility. My choice begins when I say no to sleeping with whomever finds me cute or hot and my responsibility begins when my choice comes with consequences (which every choice comes with), good or bad. 

          *If you call it “family planning”, help couples who are trying to start a family too. If not, call it “pregnancy prevention and termination”. 

          If you call it “pro- choice”, recognize that there must be at least two options and both must be supported when selected. If not, call it “pro-abortion”.
          Sincerely tired of the rantings of people who negate their origin (conception, that’s where you came from),

          Cristina

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

            i never said i was pro-abortion, it’s clear that i’m choice– as i support the woman’s choice to do what she wishes with her own reproductive system, since it’s the most logical position.  CHINA IS PRO-ABORTION, THE WOMAN HAS NO CHOICE.

            wow, can you prove that your god exists? of course, you can’t …so how are you going to say that rights exist by your god without evidence?

            abortion existed for thousands of years, done by people who worshiped many different god-myths, so your point is moot.

            sigh, unborn child is an oxymoron and misnomer of the human development chart;  the fetus is a parasite, and  it and the father of the fetus has no legal rights over a woman’s body because SLAVERY IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

            this is the law:
            no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human’s body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights: that’s why you are not force to donate your kidney—the human fetus is no exception; this is protected by the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.

            men been denying, ignoring and totally disappeared from child rising for thousands of years…where have you been? i agree with male abortion ( it has nothing to with a woman’s rights to her body during pregnancy or ever will) 110%..btw.

            the rest of your comment is just emotional, no-legal, illogical-diatribe.

            1. prove that your morality is intrinsic in our reality, if not moral relativism is key — don’t like abortion, then don’t have one.

            2. again, you can’t prove that your god is real and is pro-life, when though the bible proves that your mythical god is pro-abortion, not pro-choice for women at all.

            the bible supported abortion, that was done by a priest, in god’s name, in his holly temple!
            the 1984 niv footnote of numbers 5:11-31 explained what “to thy thigh to rot, thy belly to swell” meant:
            Numbers 5:21 Or causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness” to CAUSE a miscarrying womb IS an abortion.

            the judeo-christian god is a myth and historical evidence proves it.
            3.3.3 Atheism: A History of God (Part 1)
            Evid3nc3

            3. ” takes responsibility or claims accountability”

            WTF? why should i take responsibility for another adult’s legal actions, when their legal actions caused THEM to be upset, in the first place? so basically, you are saying that women who aborted, and now upset about it, were too stupid and/or too emotionally weak to accept the consequences of their choices—so i, being pro-choice must be to blame?

            U NEED TO WAKE UP AND STOP DRINKING THE KOOL-AID.

            i support the rights to abort, that doesn’t mean i have to hold your hand because you regretted your decisions to abort or something else bad happen…i’m the same way with plastic surgery.

            4. “we don’t turn any woman
            looking for help away. ”
            wrong, how many women you help after pregnancy for 18+ years? you turn women away to the welfare office—it’s a fact that what CPC do; i doubt you offered not ONE water filter to a pregnant woman. you mind-fraked her out of aborting.

            water filters clean the water of toxins that will harm the fetus life-long.

            5.  “maybe they’ll realize
            that this path is not only self destructive, but it is not new or
            innovative or modern. Just look across the pond to Europe. The negative
            population growth is affecting countries like Spain and Russia to the
            point where they are opening citizenship to third generation immigrants
            and paying women to carry their pregnancies to term.”

            exactly what i thought!  you really don’t care about the quality of the fetus being born, or whether it is being born to a healthy and wanted family…just about birth rates.  a woman keeping her pregnancy should WANT to be a mother in the best and ideal environment, not caring about population growth.

            i personally, would choose to have a negative population growth as long as the fetuses being born are of a higher quality, like higher IQ,  and without being genetically deformed or being carries of genetic diseases.

            “Both countries with
            a very loose, very irresponsible abortion policy. Where do you think we
            are headed with your rantings about women’s rights and wills?”

            a population with less crimes, less provety, less genetics diseases, with joblessness, less child abuse, less child murder, …etc.

            let’s say a more stable environment.

            “I am a
            woman.”
            i don’t care, another woman’s sex life and abortion is none of your business, and you are powerless to stop either one —with out her permission.

            *If you call it “family planning”, help couples
            who are trying to start a family too. If not, call it “pregnancy
            prevention and termination”. 

            abortion is family planing, i just don’t care about couples only wanting to adopt babies, instead of children— i say, your family is your business, and stay of mine.

            ‘If you call it “pro- choice”,
            recognize that there must be at least two options and both must be
            supported when selected. If not, call it “pro-abortion”‘

            AGAIN, PRO-CHOICE IS SUPPORTING A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO DO WHATEVER WITH HER REPRODUCTIVE SYSTEM– I DON’T CHOOSE FOR HER…THAT’S FASCISM, CALLED PRO-LIFE OR ANTI-CHOICE.

            when did i rant about conception? never, i told truth–something that you people are against.

          • Cristina

            Simply ignorant… Sorry to read your post. In a culture like you propose, there is nothing but pain and suffering. Humans become more like animals, self indulgent and violent. A world without compassion, responsibility and accountability, there is no hope.  

            Eugenics is not a great thing but you seem to embrace it and promote it. I hope that works out for you.  The master race that you describe above has been tried before, just pray that freckles and brown eyes don’t become the deciding factor for who lives and who dies.  

            Go read what fascism is and how it relates to what is going on with Obamacare.  Go read what socialism is and how it relates to Obamacare. Go read what progressive is and where it comes from and how it relates to socialism and marxism and fascism.  Oh, and while you are at it, since fetuses are defined as “parasites” in your world, go for a week without technology, grocery stores, cars, gasoline, etc… Yeah, become totally self supportive for one week.  I guess you are a parasite of technology too. What do you contribute? What do you take back? Could technology go on without you? Could you go on without it?  I don’t mean just computers and phones, I mean plastic, cars, anything that you did not make yourself with your bare hands out of something provided by nature that you later on replaced or replenished.  Wake up, we have become parasitic, all of us. 

            You are in my family’s prayers. There seems to be no love or joy in you, just resentment and entitlement. No compassion or selflessness. Just egoism. No faith, no hope, just sarcasm and skepticism.  My heart goes out to you.  
            God bless you and keep you always,
            Cristina

          • Lisa

            Why is this a culture of pain and suffering? Women choose when they procreate and with whom. If, let’s say, a pregnancy resulted from a rape, why should the women be required to pay for Plan B? Viagra is covered by medical insurance – but birth control isn’t. Acknowledging the fact that abortion/birth control/Plan B are feasible options doesn’t make you pro-abortion. 

            You make it seem as if women who are not emotionally damaged after an abortion are emotionless, unloving, and selfish. In fact, the majority of abortions (not Plan B) are done by women who already have children. I’m pretty sure that they’re having abortions because they can’t/don’t have the energy/don’t want to take care of another child – not because they’re full of resentment. 

            What does faith have to do with anything? What is bad about skepticism? What is bad about questioning the world around you? Humans are naturally curious – why deny that and believe everything you read in a book?

            Why follow scripture that society allows you to pick and choose from? According to the Bible, women have essentially no rights. All of their rights are determined by which rights their husband wants to give them. They can be killed for having pre-marital sex, being adulterers, and refusing their husband but there are examples of men having multiple wives and being revered in the Bible. Why do you CHOOSE to believe a book that tells you that you are inferior to men when YOU KNOW that you’re just as capable of doing what they can do?

            Long story short, abortion can cause complications, Viagra can cause complications, pregnancy can cause complications, birth can cause complications. Abortion can cause depression, pregnancy can cause depression, giving birth can cause depression (post-partum). Whether or not you want to give birth should be a choice. You choose to get Viagra? Pay for it out of pocket. You choose to get Plan B? Pay for it out of pocket. OR both be supported by health care. You can’t favor one option over the other. That’s what pro-choice is. God has no place in this argument. This is a government policy. Separation between church and state. But, oh hey, churches get tax breaks. Why is that fair?

          • Margaretb523

            Sorry, if you are pro choice, you are pro abort. If you think it’s ok, even if you don’t do it yourself, then you think it’s ok. PERIOD. 

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Walter-Congdon/763155787 Stephanie Walter Congdon

          Your Wiki definition is in error, as here in America abortion is legal LONG past the stage where human unborn children are viable!  If you follow the link for “viability” in the wiki definition, it takes you to a definition for viable that shows unborn children have a 50% chance of survival at just 24 weeks!  Here in America, abortion is legal LONG past 24 weeks!  In fact, up until 2007 when the Partial Birth Abortion Ban Act was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court, it was legal to deliver the head of an unborn child, shove a scissors or other sharp object into the back of that child’s neck/skull area, & open a hole in that child’s head in order to suck out the child’s brain!  That’s right, it was LEGAL to deliver a child head-first in order to suck it’s brain out & kill it, THEN deliver the rest of the child!   PLEASE tell me what part of that process is humane!

          • Bubblebotstarstreak

            Ok she is not defending partial birth abortions, bringing that up is totally beside the point. And if you are so adamantly against abortion, why don’t you want people to have access to plan b? It prevents abortion from being necessary! It prevents pregnancy from happening in the first place! If you’re really so anti abortion, why dont you want people to have access to a drug that could quite effectively slash abortion numbers especially in the teen demographic? I think what you’re really trying to say is you don’t like it when women have sex without getting some kind of punishment or retribution.

      • Anonymous

        That does not negate the fact that she remains fertile after ovulation,
        and therefore sex, say, the day after ovulation, would be a circumstance
        in which a woman could terminate her pregnancy with emergency
        contraceptive pills, thus ending a human life.

        If the morning-after pill were always successful you’d have a compelling argument.  The failure rate, however, is between 10 and 25%, with effectiveness decreasing with the length of time between intercourse and taking the pill.  We don’t have a way of measuring the exact time of ovulation, so we can’t know for sure, but the rate and pattern of EC failure is consistent with a mechanism that does not work after ovulation.  If you poke around you can find statistical analyses that illustrate it better than I can explain it.

        I’m not saying that emergency contraception pills never, ever, ever prevent implantation because scientists don’t speak in terms that strong, and while there is a solid body of evidence indicating that Plan B does not have a post-ovulation effect, we do not yet have the same accumulation of research for ella.  However, that was not why I posted in the first place.  My point was that that Ms. Walker’s contention that “When used effectively as an emergency contraceptive, it is obviously too late for the drug to keep a woman from ovulating” is patently false. And no matter how many times commentators on this site tell bald-faced lies, it somehow always surprises me.

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  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

    wow, you can’t BE this stupid…if no implantation concurs, then there’s no pregnancy, thus it’s not an abortion.

    you are just anti-birth control, but no one will listen to your radical ideas—so you label everything un-abortion related, under abortion.

    the bible supported abortion, that was done by a priest, in god’s name, in his holly temple!
    the 1984 niv footnote of numbers 5:11-31 explained what “to thy thigh to rot, thy belly to swell” meant:
    Numbers 5:21 Or causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness” to CAUSE a miscarrying womb IS an abortion.

    the judeo-christian god is a myth and historical evidence proves it.
    3.3.3 Atheism: A History of God (Part 1)
    Evid3nc3

    so, again what’s the problem?

    • PointeforJesus

      “You’re all just anti-birth control.” I, at least, am pro-birth control. I am in favor of the only form of birth control that is 100% sure to work, and that is abstinance.

      • Mira

        Agreed Pointe. The only sure way to not get pregnant is to not have sex. If you can’t handle the responsibility of a child you are not ready for the responsibility of sex.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

        dummy, abstinence is not birth control, but a state of mind or if you just can’t find anyone to have sex with you…and it doesn’t work, if you want to have sex.

        DUH.

    • collegefreshy

      I want to point out that if there is no God and no after life and no consequences for our actions outside of this world, what the hell are we doing obeying any laws whatsoever? if the worst thing that could happen as a consequence to our actions is death, then let survival of the fittest take its “natural” course, wipe out the weak and useless parts of society so the strong can grow stronger. if this sounds familiar, it’s because it is exactly what Adolf Hitler preached in Nazi Germany. If you are an atheist, then there can really be no right or wrong, because who is there to decide what you can or can’t do? There is no god to lay it out for you, and you are left to follow your basic feelings, equals have no rights over each other except the rights they take for themselves, and you might as well be the one taking those rights. well, just my thoughts on the curve ball you threw in declaring there is no god, oh, and by the way, why does it bother you that people believe this? if there is no after life, then you should have it pretty easy, you don’t have to worry about what other people believe or what you should be doing, because in the end it really doesn’t matter.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

        “I want to point out that if there is no God and no after life and no
        consequences for our actions outside of this world, what the hell are we
        doing obeying any laws whatsoever?”

        why do you believe that obeying civil law, you must obey the laws the bible at the same time—which most are illegal, and you don’t follow the laws, anyways, and there are no historical evidence that proves your god is real?

        ephesians 6: 5-9

        5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6
        Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but
        like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free.

        so would you stay a slave because the bible told you so? be honest.

        “then let survival of the fittest take its “natural” course, wipe out the
        weak and useless parts of society so the strong can grow stronger.”

        WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? if you are talking about people born with genetics diseases, letting nature take its course and resulting in these people dying naturally, THAT would be in your god’s plan…because your god designed these people flawed to be begin with, knowing that they will die….so what’s your problem?

        are you talking about darwinism from a evolution’s POV or darwinism from social-engineering’s POV, which was hitler’s pov, too? you need to clarity.

        “If you are an atheist, then there can really be no right or wrong, because who is there to decide what you can or can’t do?”

        how do you know that the laws in the bible is intrinsically right or wrong? how do you know that there is a god, and this god is not Buddha?

        i try to go by: don’t harm any sentient beings, and i hope no sentient beings try harms me, but i do love to eat meat, and i will killing bugs in my house…and that is all you can hope for, and the punishment for breaking civil law is a good deterrent against most crimes, for a lot of people….what basic instincts are you talking about?

        but socio-and psychopaths do exist in our reality, and you can blame your god, if you want to.

        look, i don’t you have a problem with you believing in your version of santa claus, just don’t use it try to take away legal rights of others–of which you disapprove of, or use it to try to discredit modern-day science –of which you ALSO disapprove of….especially, when i know your santa claus isn’t real and you can’t prove it’s real, when asked.

        • JCsouljer

          It seems a bit hypocrital that you don’t believe in God but you turn to scripture. In a twisted way at that. Here is another verse misused. Before you quote a verse, read at least the first four verses before and the next four verses after your particular verse. In Ep 6: 5-9 St Paul’s time labour relations were largely based on slavery. He does not directly denounce slavery, but he uses this letter to establish the correct basis for the master-servant relationship. By emphasizing the dignity of the human person, the Apostle is clearly teaching that human relationships are to be raised to a supernatural level, that is, made to involve Christ. Hence masters must be just towards servants, not coercing them by threats, for all–masters as well as servants — have one and the same Lord on high, “with whom there is no partiality” (v9). On the other hand , slaves should work not merely because they expect human reward or, as it were, are resigned to their fate: they should render “service with a good will as to the Lord and not men”(v7). This teaching established conditions which, centuries later, would lead to the abolition of slavery when the spirit of Christianity imbued the whole gamut of human relationships, including those to do with work.
          Use scripture incorrectly and you miss the meaning of the teaching. It’s wise not to twist the true meaning.
          PS: when you date anything, don’t you know you’re acknowledging the birth of Christ?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

     
    this is the law:
    ABORTION IS A CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT SUPPORTED BY THE RIGHTS TO PRIVACY, THE EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE OF 14TH AMENDMENT, AND THE 13TH AMENDMENT.

    no human has a right to life or any due process rights by the 14th amendment to use another human’s body or body parts AGAINST their will, civil and constitutional rights: that’s why you are not force to donate your kidney—the human fetus is no exception; this is protected by the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause

    consensual sex =/= a legal, binding contract for an unwanted fetus to live.

    ALL THE REPUBLICANS ARE PRO-LIFE, SCHIZOPHRENIC FASCISTS WHO SUPPORTS REPRODUCTIVE SLAVERY OF AMERICAN FEMALE CITIZENS, WHICH IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL BY THE 13TH AMENDMENT.

    • Mira

      Wow… You really like to just plow through things and interpret what you want from where ever you get it from. Abortion is NOT covered under the 14th amendment, slavery is though. And considering you are killing a person throughabortion you are violating their 14th amendment. And I don’t even know why I am wasting my typing you, you are going to go irrational, call me stupid and other unnecessary name, accusing me of being GOP (which I am not, not like that has anything to do with the price of rice in China, which, in case you are too literal, was just a figure of speech). You go off about slavery of pregnancy (some slavery, 9 months is really a horrific amount of time to spend on growing someone else), what about those forced into abortion, which actually happens more than those forced to keep the baby? Is that slavery as well? How about those young girls forced into prostitution and sex trafficing? Isn’t that slavery? Oh, wait, that’s right, as long as we hide those, its ok. That’s why Planned Parenthood hides them, as well as statutory rapists incestual fathers, uncles, step brothers, etc. Cause, of course THAT isnt slavery. Those are people just wanting to live their lives in peace, forcing women into a status of abused objects for the rest of their lives, cause that is MUCH better than 9 months.

    • PointeforJesus

      “…The equal protection clause of the 14th ammendment…” So what you’re saying is that women have protection but the unborn don’t, even under your admitted EQUAL protection clause.
      Also, by the same fourteenth ammendment, which you correctly state as saying that you can’t do something with someone else’s body against their will, you cannot kill someone without asking them first. This applies to unborn babies. If you can’t kill them as soon as they are born, why can you kill them before? What has changed in that instant?
      Would you have wanted to be killed, for the simple fact that you were a bother, when you had done nothing to cause it?
      “…unwanted fetus…” Every baby is wanted, if not by the birth parennts, than by. someone else. There are hundreds, if not thousands of families who desperately want a baby but are incapable of doing so. I would not have a cousin if one very ccourageous young woman had not chosen to give her baby to my aunt and uncle rather than killing it.

      In addition, the vast majority of women who have had abortions later regret it. Many times, especially after they have had several abortions, they are phisically incapable of having a baby. Sometimes they now want a baby, but because of the choice to abort in the past, they can only miscarry time after time.

      One more thing. I saw this in a cartoon, but it makes a point. Someone says, “God, why haven’t you sent us someone to find a cure for cancer, bring world peace, and wipe out hunger?” God replies, “I did. You aborted them.” Who knows how many world changers we have aborted, and how many more will be aborted?

    • bubbalouwee

      Man’s law has NO relevance when it goes contrary to God’s law.  The fifth commandment is thou shalt not kill.  Abortion is murder.  You need to settle down, say a prayer, and make God your first priority in life.  God’s laws take precedence over man’s laws.  In addition, conception takes place before implantation.  Abortificients prevent the embryo from attaching to the uterine wall, thus aborting the growing child at the early stages of pregnancy.  You are making a very poor assumption to say if implantation does not take place, a women was not pregnant.  A women could very well be pregnant and implantation did not take place because of the abortificients women take.  Many more lives are taken as a result of women taking abortificients than lives that are taken through surgical abortion.   

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Gale-Routh/100002582112073 Gale Routh

         the bible supported abortion, that was done by a priest, in god’s name, in his holly temple!
        the 1984 niv footnote of numbers 5:11-31 explained what “to thy thigh to rot, thy belly to swell” meant:
        Numbers 5:21 Or causes you to have a miscarrying womb and barrenness” to CAUSE a miscarrying womb IS an abortion.

        the judeo-christian god is a myth and historical evidence proves it.
        3.3.3 Atheism: A History of God (Part 1)
        Evid3nc3

        so try again.

        “Abortificients prevent the embryo from attaching to the uterine wall,
        thus aborting the growing child at the early stages of pregnancy. ”

        logically, if there was no implantation…the woman wasn’t pregnancy, thus it’s not an abortificient or an abortion, but, “contragestion (preventing the implantation of the blastocyst)” wiki

        it’s clear you and many of the pro-life, schizophrenic fascists supporting this page: DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT, THUS SHOULDN’T BE TALKING.

        • Homeschool4jmj

          Please stop using Wiki asa reference, it makes you appear rather dull witted. Take a grammar course and  a logic course, then come back to the discussion when you can logically formulate an argument.

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephanie-Walter-Congdon/763155787 Stephanie Walter Congdon

          You really have MAJOR grudge against anyone pro-life!  To assert that any & all who are pro-life are also schizophrenic fascists just shows your own intolerance & need to stereotype.  How sad.

          Quoting a person or a book doesn’t make it accurate OR true.  After all, for how many years did scientists BELIEVE the earth wasn’t round?  Should we continue to base theory on their incorrect belief?  
          Perhaps you should TRY to see things OCCASIONALLY from a perspective other than your own, rather than resorting to using all caps as a way of screaming at anyone you disagree with.  :(

      • Anonymous

        One in six fertilized eggs is miscarried on its own.

  • Guest

    Emergency contraception doesn’t actually affect implantation. It just delays ovulation.

    Mechanism of action of emergency contraception. [Contraception. 2010] – PubMed – NCBI

    So preventing conception is “abortion” now? Figures.

    • Katlyn

      So what is the point of taking it after you have ovulated? Basically you are saying that Plan B is only good until you ovulate?

    • Anonymous

      I don’t think this is true, but I’ll have to check.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Lila.Joy Lila Joy DeLine

    I am a married woman who uses condoms as birthcontrol, I also suffer from have a VERY irregular cycle. I am also very against abortion. But I love the plan B pill, because guess what, sometimes a condom breaks, or snaps off. So yeah I have used it, it has to be taken within 48 hours, within which not even science can tell if the egg fertilized or if it is even going to attach. I do not think that government should pay for it, but I do think that as people who do not want to see women go through the horror of an unplanned pregnancy or abortion, encouraging the use of the plan be should be on our game plan. You can not be against birthcontrol and abortion at the sametime. Period.

    • Anonymous

      No you cannot be against birth control and abortion at the same time, though many “pro-lifers” are. Nice to hear some sanity.

  • Vivian Geroux

    The whole point of this article is whether or not TAX PAYERS should be paying for abortion EVEN THOUGH it’s against their religion.  Mainly the Catholic church.  Not whether or not abortion should be legal, what determines if it’s a baby or zygote.  Reading the previous comments, it’s clear that someone took this article out of perspective.  This is a really good poiont. AND AN IMPORTANT ONE Kristen–”The Supreme Court discovered a right to abortion in the Constitution one day. “Oh, hey, look! There it is!” 

    That is the most important point.  There are so many women like the one below who are brainwashed from the time they are pre-teen’s in the sex-ed classes around the country.  They can’t think for themselves.  They spew out whatever their 9th grade teacher said or perhaps what they learned from reading phamplets at their local reproductive clinic. 

    Thanks for shedding light on this very important topic, there are so many other things wrong with Obama care, this is just the tip of the sword.

    • Anonymous

      The whole point of this article is whether or not TAX PAYERS should be
      paying for abortion EVEN THOUGH it’s against their religion.

      This article is about falsehood.  It is false to say that taxpayers pay for copays absorbed by private insurance companies. It is false to say that emergency contraception is taken too late to prevent ovulation.  I don’t have time to take on the deficiencies in Ms. Walker’s understanding of civics, but no, there is no difference between asking taxpayers to fund abortion within a constitutionally-valid health care reform* and asking them to pay for a war or a judicial execution, even if you feel that abortion is worse than war or a judicial execution.  

      *Noting that the Affordable Care Act has not yet worked its way through the court system, and the errors of Ms. Walker’s categorization of emergency health care has already bee discussed at lenght

      • bubbalouwee

        Our founding fathers broke from the tyranny imposed on them by England and started what has become the USA.  Our rights have been trampled on.  Now, the Senate has passed the NDAA (National Defense Authorization Act) and Americans can be arrested in the US and be detained without legal representation or going before a judge and can be detained indefinitely.  This is ridiculous.  Do you feel it is OK for your government to kill pro lifers falsely accused of being terrorists because of their pro life convictions? 

  • Vivian Geroux

    One more thing, why would you put your faith and hope and beliefs in the world?  Men will always fail along with their governments.  All you have to do is look at a history book to see that.  To not believe that we are a part of something bigger than what men have created themselves is hopeless and cold and lonely.  God exists in everything just look up at the sky or take a walk.  He even lives in you and knows your soul.  I invite you to seek Him.  He is there.

  • Anonymous

    The United States needs to get out of the human person killing business it has been actively promoting throughout the whole world.

    Abortion (murder) , euthanasia(murder), healthcare rationing(murder), assisted suicide(murder), eugenics (murder), abortaficient contraceptives (murder)…wow, what a culture fo death we have become…all the while our social programs are starving for more people to pay into them. 

    We need to return to God a beg forgiveness for our darkened souls…and most of us will be soon begging for forgiveness soon.  Don’t hesitate for an instance – beg!

  • Bubblebotstarstreak

    This article is not about saving human lives, its about punishing sluts. If you are so uncomfortable with women having sex, why don’t you start your own country where women are never allowed to copulate because it makes you feel icky and see how long it lasts. You don’t care about women. You care about having your worldview that women can’t control their own bodies challenged.

  • Jack

    I’m currently forced to help pay for our soldiers to go abroad and kill innocent civilians.  I’m not happy about that, let me tell you!

  • Caitlin

    Come back when I don’t have to pay for the war in Iraq and churches aren’t exempt from taxes, and we’ll talk about funding things we don’t want to.

  • http://scrambledmegzntoast.wordpress.com Megan

    Heehee, Gayle Routh is what we call a “troll”. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Doc-Kimble/100001742531811 Doc Kimble

    Couple Hides Aborted Fetus in Box Under Christmas Tree – WJW

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Doc-Kimble/100001742531811 Doc Kimble

    “Control your own body”….that’s an existential conundrum that requires some introspection, not just some shallow “bumper sticker” response. I wonder how many are really up to that task. 

  • Anonymous

    I believe in free will and I am anti-abortion.  I believe a woman or man can choose what they want to do with their bodies.  I don’t believe it should be on my dime though.  But like everything else in this world, the right thing doesn’t always apply. The biggest problem I have with both sides is not giving all the information presented like what happens in the schools as they had decided it is their right to teach all children because the parents supposedly don’t. Yet the parents are responsible for their children except when it comes to their “rights”.

    With these pills, as they are given as an anti-abortion pills, should have a co-pay like most medications do. If both sides of the parties and the schools and the parents started teaching their children early that there are consequences for their actions and there is a cost involved – whether in how your life changes or financial – then the world might be a bit smarter.

    • Anonymous

      Pregnancy doesn’t always result from free will. Some are the result of rape. Yet, most “pro-lifers” I read about believe abortion shouldn’t be allowed in the case of rape.

  • Stele

    I’ve seen way too many comments here about a lack of implantation results in no pregnancy. Pro-lifers are not pro-pregnancy per se, they are pro-life period! This means once the fertilized egg exists it should not be disrupted or even prevented in the natural sense. The fertilized egg has its own unique DNA and is in the process of developing the same way a child continues to develop.

  • Nancy

    Bubblebot – You don’t care about women either if you call them sluts.  I think a lot of men are angry because abortion effectively castrates them by not letting their manhood bear fruit, they have absolutely NO say in the “choice”.  I am sorry if this happened to you.  There are a lot of grieving angry men out there who were helpless and could not save their own child.

  • Anonymous

    It is curious to me that there is so much talk about tax payers footing the bill for emergency contraception or abortion (though I think no federal funds pay for abortions anymore, unfortunately). How much do you think you pay in taxes for these things? A penny? Probably not that much. Yet we pay billions of dollars for wars that kill thousand and thousands of people. Why are “pro-life” people not more concerned about that?

    Below Caitlin makes the point that churches are exempt from taxes, meaning tax payers have to foot the bill for churches (every kind, not just Christian), even if those churches (mosques, temples, whatever) have ideology against our own religion. Americans have to pay for lots of things that individuals may not agree with. That is part of being a citizen. EVERYONE has to pay for things they are opposed to.

    The thing is that unwanted pregnancies result in lots of new tax dollars. Medi-cal payments for women who can’t afford prenatal care or hospital deliveries (which costs many thousands of dollars, as opposed to emergency contraception which costs about $45). Statistically children born to women who don’t want them are much more likely to be in the criminal justice system, which costs the taxpayers milliions. Emergency contraception SAVES us money. You may be against it anyway, but at least be honest about the financial ramifications.

    Of course, as citizens we aren’t able to pick and choose what our tax dollars pay for. But speaking theoretically, I think it would be fine for “pro-lifers” to deduct the one or two pennies they would have paid for emergency contraception. Then they should add several thousand dollars to pay for the increased cost to society of having children born to women who can’t afford them or take good care of them.

  • Zsam

    …just like Hitler… dehumanize and repeat the lie long enough, and people will believe and follow…