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Three reasons Sandra Fluke totally deserves to be TIME Magazine’s Person of the Year

Every year, TIME Magazine, a periodical which continues to insist upon its own relevancy despite the fact that no one under the age of 40 reads it, nominates a list of people to be its Person of the Year. The criteria for having this title bestowed upon you is that you be “the person or persons who most affected the news and our lives, for good or ill, and embodied what was important about the year.”

This year, they have nominated Sandra Fluke, the young woman you are sick to death of hearing about. The Georgetown law student was used as a political prop to great effect by Democrats when they held up a megaphone to her battle cry that Georgetown - a Catholic university – doesn’t provide enough access to birth control pills for female students. This led Rush Limbaugh to suggest that maybe someone who wants someone else to pay for their birth control pills could possibly maybe be a “slut,” and then every fauxminist in the world rallied around her and President Obama called her on the phone to make sure she was okay and then the “war on women” and “reproductive rights” and Republicans are mean and the Democrats win.

Here are my top three reasons why Sandra Fluke totally deserves to be TIME Magazine‘s Person of the Year:

3. The make-believe “War on Women” is a huge reason why Obama won. He got 67% of the single female vote. It played a ginormous role in winning him the presidency, and Fluke was instrumental in getting him that vote. Fauxminists love Fluke. She has that intellectual, gently lesbian look that fauxminists love: kind of pretty, like a younger Demi Moore, but also a bit prickly and “I’ve read more than you.” Single chicks dig that. They want to invite her over to drink wine and listen to Tori Amos. She is a “soul sister,” fighting for the rights we all deserve, like free birth control pills paid for by our big Catholic daddies who are mean to us and have oppressed us with their patriarchy for too long. Like, don’t they even know that before Christianity the Goddess was a Woman and men were but her consorts? Don’t they even know that women have Divine Feminine Power which comes from their uteruses or something, and that’s why we should keep them clean with abortions? Quick, let’s form a goddess circle and read Alice Walker novels out loud!

Okay, but seriously: Sandra Fluke is the face of the War on Women, and it’s that imaginary war between female autonomy and the Republican party that won the Democrats the election. It is my opinion that, other than the candidates themselves, no other single person had a more profound effect on the 2012 presidential election than Sandra Fluke.

Truth is, it could have been almost any articulate single woman playing Fluke’s role, but for whatever reason, she got the part, and she played it well.

2. Sandra Fluke embodies the times. She is at the very least a captain in what my husband calls the Free S**t Army. For Democrats, gone are the days of “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.” Say that to people in the Free S**t Army, and they cock their heads to the side quizzically, like a confused puppy, and demand their free cell phone.

Speaking of which, the number of people receiving some type of federal assistance is growing exponentially. The Democrats have presented themselves as the party of the poor, but it makes you wonder: if poor people vote for Democrats, do you think Democrats would want fewer poor people, or more?

Government assistance like food stamps and WIC is designed to help people for a short period of time, to get a leg up so they can start supporting themselves, to get out of a hole. Instead, we have families in which generations have been on welfare. We have too many people who have learned how to work the system. A few months ago I was in an urgent care clinic being seen for tonsilitis. When I went to pay, the young woman in front of me had expensive hair extensions, designer jeans, a designer purse, and an elaborate manicure – all things I could not, on my salary, afford. When the woman behind the counter asked for payment, she presented…a Medicaid card.

Sandra Fluke may be less ghetto fabulous, but she is the same thing. She can somehow afford to go to Georgetown University, but she can’t afford $9 a month for birth control pills? Of course she can. But that’s not the point. The point is, as Center for Reproductive Rights president Nancy Northup said when discussing abortion, that a right you can’t access is not a right at all. If you can’t afford birth control pills, then you may as well not have a right to them! If you can’t afford health care, that’s the same as not being allowed to receive it!

To that end, I would hereby like to petition the federal government for a free car. Because if I don’t have free transportation, how on earth can you say I have the right to transportation? Also, how can you say I have the right to own guns unless you buy me one? President Obama, I hereby demand that you forthwith begin making my truck payment! Also, more weapons!

Being allowed something is not the same thing as being entitled to it. Except now, in America, I guess it is. And who represents that better than Sandra Fluke?

1. If she is named Person of the Year, Sandra Fluke will join the ranks of other really embarrassing Persons of the Year: Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin (twice!), Bill Clinton (also twice!), and, in 1988, “The Endangered Earth.” Puh-leez.

If Josef Stalin can kill millions of people and be Person of the Year, Sandra Fluke should not be disqualified for convincing millions of women that it’s empowering to demand free stuff from people.

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  • Rebecca Downs

    My worry though is that liberal TIME magazine and liberal America will see this as a good thing and something to celebrate… after all, Fluke and Cecile Richards seemed to be listed as “influential” persons in a positive light. So yes, she is perhaps worthy of being person of the year in this sense, but not in the sense TIME sees her as. And after all, it’s TIME’s opinion that’s going to come out in TIME magazine…

  • Steve Farrell

    Kristin Walker Hatten has done a great service for people who didn’t realize TIME magazine was still around as well as people who wouldn’t have known or cared who Sandra Fluke was until she became the lightning rod for right-wing resentment.

    As for the fact that “the number of people receiving some type of federal assistance is growing exponentially”, that’s the predictable result of a much more destructive form of entitlement in American society. Perhaps Kristen Walker Hatten thinks welfare mamas crashed the economy back in ’08, but I’m pretty sure it was the high-finance scam artists who have been using our economy as a roulette wheel for as long as anyone can remember. Our financial sector represents the fattest, most corrupt welfare mama on the planet; the difference is that when Wall Street gets the US taxpayer to foot the bill for its free stuff, people lose jobs and homes.

    • Mitch Behna

      If you haven’t noticed by now, your words mean nothing.

      • http://www.facebook.com/john.doey.73700 John Doey

        They only mean nothing to the willfully ignorant, misinformed, and those who dont want to face the truth like yourself.

      • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

        Steve I loved your post and it meant a lot to me!

    • Wade Ferring

      Such a naive set of statements about what you think caused our demise in ’08, Steve. In fact, it feeds nicely into the usual stale Democratic talking points (aka, lies.) Kristin took the time to come up with some fresh perspectives. Maybe you should do the same — NEXT …

      • Steve Farrell

        Wade, by all means feel free to educate us as to the true cause of the ’08 crash. Calling my charges of malfeasance by the financial sector “lies” is a pretty bold statement, so I hope you have a more comprehensive and accurate overview of the financial crisis to offer.

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.doey.73700 John Doey

          He’s going to say it’s because poor people took out mortgages they couldnt afford and then it will degenerate into something about Barney Frank and congressional democrats while completely overlooking that the banks wrote the rules, deregulated the mortgage and securities markets and caused our demise because of it. Let’s not forget the hundreds of millions of dollars investment banks like Goldman have been paying in SEC fines due to the fraud they perpetrated on their own investors by selling them junk derivatives and then hedging against them because they knew the prices would drop. Those are facts. But in the post-truth right wing world they have been recast as “democrat talking points” even though people inside the industry have said the same let along all the ink that has been spilled researching what caused the crash. You cant win with these people any more. They don’t care about facts> if they dont like the way something sounds or it conflicts with their dogma or preconceived notions they simply say it’s not true. Thank God they are becoming more marginal by the day.

      • http://www.facebook.com/john.doey.73700 John Doey

        Let me guess it was poor people and the democrat congress even though the GOP had control from 1995-2007 and it had nothing to do with fraud and a completely unregulated mortgage and securities industry?

  • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Astraspider

    Your resentment towards made-up people really knows no bounds. At least this time you don’t insist that it’s based on “a little research”.

    What you could research is how health insurance works. Whether together with an employer, or by yourself, you have to go out and buy a plan and pay a premium that will be, literally, thousands of dollars. When covered, you’ll have deductibles for some things, co-pays for other things and no co-pays for yet other things. Nothing is “free”. You’re paying a premium for those services.

    But, I realize, “No Co-Pay S**t Army” isn’t as snappy as “Free S**t Army”. And doesn’t feed the same old right-wing resentments nearly as well.

    • berkeleyman81

      Its the saaaaame thing Smart Stuff. Guess who pays for the “no co-pay” option? Yes! Everyone else who pays! INsurance companies pass on mandatory “no copays” to the people who pay the premiums. Nice try. Now go back to worshipping Daily Kos’ nonsense and cursing those evil, successful stupid rich poeple!

      • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

        My insurance pays for it. My employer pays for part of my insurance. What my insurance pays for is neither you or my employer’s business at all. Google “HIPPA” to see why.

      • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Astraspider

        If you think it’s the same thing, then you’re economically illiterate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/hannah.mallery Hannah Mallery

    Great article, Kristen.

    • http://www.facebook.com/john.doey.73700 John Doey

      Great article? I think I just explained to you last week that the issue isn’t “free stuff’ but here you are again lapping up the same crap, calling it caviar, and still wrongly believing it’s true. Do you just base truth upon what makes you feel good or what shares your opinion? We truly are in a post-truth world and conservatives are to blame for this starting with Fox News and the propagandizing right wing blogosphere as seen here.

      • http://www.facebook.com/hannah.mallery Hannah Mallery

        And here you are, still harassing people. It comes down to telling employers to pay in part for something that goes directly against their religious conviction. Like I just explained to you last week, it’s
        [supposedly} a free country, where you can choose which college to go to and which job you wish to apply at. If your employer’s exercise of his/her religious liberty pisses you off that much, move on.
        And of course, conservatives are the only ones with an agenda.

        • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Astraspider

          The problem with conservative dogma right now is its knee-jerk genuflection to “job creators”, at the expense of everything else. Flip your notion on it’s head. You think the employers religious rights needs protection? What about the employees? What about the Hindu in accounting, the agnostic in sales, the Jew in marketing, the Protestant at the front desk? Don’t they deserve some religious freedom? Some protection that their boss can’t capriciously establish his own articles of faith in what is supposed to be a secular health care market?

          • http://www.facebook.com/hannah.mallery Hannah Mallery

            Last I checked, circumcision is not covered by most insurance plans, and that’s pretty integral to Jews. But it’s a lifestyle choice, like birth control.

          • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Astraspider

            I part ways with many posters around here because I think it’s government’s role to craft sensible regulations. Actuarially, medically, societally (and, yeah, even politically) I see the basis for why greater access to contraceptives is warranted. Circumcision doesn’t rise to that level.

          • berkeleyman81

            I also happen to agree – I am not religious and dont see anything wrong with contraceptives. I also hope more people use them. However, it is not the role of government to guide societal culture by what it “thinks” is good, especially when the issue is quite controversial. That is what propositions, states’ rights, and local leaders are for. That is why we have individual states – to guide local cultural and economic issues. The fed government has NO role in this, it is called federalism, and is partially the basis for our constitution.

          • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

            It’s also completely optional and not medical in any sense. Circumcision is a lot closer to plastic surgery then it is to birth control.

          • http://www.facebook.com/hannah.mallery Hannah Mallery

            And hormonal BC is a lifestyle choice.

          • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

            so is being religious

            Also, so is viagra, and hair re-growing medication (all covered by medicare)… point?

          • berkeleyman81

            What are you babbling about here now? How are any of these groups rights being usurped? An employer can hire anyone they see fit. Are not the owners and bosses of companies and businesses :”job creators”, as in, those who create/hire jobs? BC is NOT a right, and any type of insurance is NOT a right – hence the definition of insurance.

          • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Astraspider

            Regulations are a legitimate function of government. If you’re pro-life, you , by default, agree with me, because you’d like to see government regulate and potentially outlaw abortion. Thankfully, our current government has made the modest proposal that birth control is a worthwhile thing to regulate, given that we just created a federal framework for health insurance.

            The fact that you’re still clinging to states rights as a convincing argument really reveals you as a dead-ender. The election is over. ACA is here to stay.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            “Regulations are a legitimate function of government.”

            Do I really need to explain the emptiness of this statement? Pretty much anything any government has ever done or wanted to do could be justified on those grounds, if you don’t have any qualifiers about what those regulations can and can’t be (and no, “sensible” as defined by the pseudo-intellectual cool kids liberals outsource their thinking to doesn’t count).

            I know you’re hellbent on not understanding how our system of government actually works because all you really care about is maintaining a rationale for imposing your preferences on the rest of the country, but we have this thing called a “Constitution.” It authorizes the federal government to do certain things, places boundaries on how they can go about them, and makes everything else off limits. “Unconstitutional” is not just a synonym for disagreeable; it means ILLEGAL.

            “The fact that you’re still clinging to states rights as a convincing
            argument really reveals you as a dead-ender. The election is over.”

            Wow. For you, morality really does begin and end with might makes right, doesn’t it?

          • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

            but in this day and age, health care is a right and since the insurance companies messed up the cost so much that you can’t afford health care without insurance… insurance has become a right.

        • http://www.facebook.com/john.doey.73700 John Doey

          Harassing people? I didn’t realize telling you the facts was harassment? I guess it is when you want to live in a bubble and not face reality. Who cares what the employers religious convictions are! if they dont personally want to use birth control or have abortions they don’t have to! That has nothing to do with their employees though. Why don’t employers just write out a list if what employees can and can’t do with their paychecks every week since you know, the employers are the ones handing them out? Your right it’s a free country which means the decisions of employees about what they do with their insurance policy that they pay into or what they do with their pay is none of the employers business. Second, what the hell is immoral about contraception? Does any sane or rational person in the 21st century believe that sex for pleasure is wrong? The person that does definitely should not be telling anyone how to live, tjhat’s for damn sure. Look, the culture war is over, and conservatives lost. The public is only continuing to turn against you in droves and hopefully within a decade you will all be marginalized and irrelevant. You deserve it too because of the kind of BS you peddle.

          • http://www.facebook.com/hannah.mallery Hannah Mallery

            Perceived facts, that is.
            Sex for pleasure is awesome. Nobody said it wasn’t. Contrary to what you seem to think, we aren’t a bunch of prudes in bloomers and chastity belts. Contraception is great, too, as long as it isn’t the kind that could terminate a fertilized egg (I should mention here that I am not personally Catholic, I would identify more closely with Baptists and Protestants). There are other forms of contraception that don’t do this. Barrier methods, and well as fertility awareness are both excellent options.
            The thing people need to realize is that, any form of contraception can fail, no matter how careful you are, and that is what you have to accept every time you sex.

          • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

            Fertility awareness is a good option? Am I the only one that remembers them saying how bad an idea this was in health class?

          • http://www.facebook.com/hannah.mallery Hannah Mallery

            It actually works if you know how to use it correctly. And if, by “them,” you mean the standard public school sex education most kids receive, “they” turn out quite a few misinformed young people.

          • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

            so why aren’t you fighting for better more in-depth sex ed in schools instead?

          • http://www.facebook.com/hannah.mallery Hannah Mallery

            I actually think that would be great, as long as “in depth” also covers the responsibility of engaging in something that could result in the existence of another person. I also think there should be special classes for teaching childcare. High school students who haven’t had a baby themsleves probably know someone who has, and I think it’s important for them (male and female) to learn basic newborn care. I think many cases of shaken babies result from people simply not knowing what to do with a screaming infant, and knowing the basics of dealing with tiny people would be a big help with that. But, I digress…

          • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

            There are special child care classes in HS usually… they’re just optional. I don’t think it should be required curriculum as that would further the stereotype that everyone has kids, and if you talk to anyone that decides not to have kids, they will tell you that stereotype is driven in deep enough already. All child free people I’ve met have had the lecture on children followed with the condescending “Oh, you’ll change your mind.”

        • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

          False: Employers are asked to pay for insurance. What the insurance pays for is none of the employers business because then it would be a HIPPA violation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.doey.73700 John Doey

    And Hatten is yet another lying or misinformed conservative about this issue. it is not about “free stuff”! But hey playing the welfare card always works the faithful into a lather so it’s not surprising that you keep lying. As any informed person knows the issue is that the Catholic Church allow for contraception to be covered under an insurance policy that their female employees and students at their schools are already paying into. The Church’s stance on contraception is irrelevant here and boils down to them attempting to make moral and personal decisions for women that those women may or may not agree with. I should also add that as an institution that is attempting to offer moral guidance the Church has absolutely zero credibility since they engaged in an unlawful and organized coverup of child sexual abuse at the hands of their clergy in order to spare themselves bad publicity and a loss of power, There is nothing more venal, craven, and low than that so their word is really worthless.

    • Tori

      you are seriously playing the child abuse card? Could the church have handled it better? yes. but don’t go bashing the actions of select few and condemn the entire church for it; that is quite irrational. if you think about it, the church actually has more control over her priests than any law enforcement does. The church can better prevent the priest from ever repeating his horrible actions again by keeping a closer eye on him.

      • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

        The church could STILL handle it better as child molesters are STILL hiding in the Vatican from the authorities and victims are STILL being Catholic guilted into silence and shamed for speaking out against their attackers (and more aggressively thanks to the new pope’s amendment to how child molestation is handled)

        They could prevent it, but they don’t instead they cause more mental abuse to already severely abused children, and smuggle the offenders into hiding to avoid the “bad press” they’d get from it being made public.

        So, what you can do is condemn an entire church because it’s leaders are corrupt.

        I personally can’t understand why anyone would want to associate with the evil that is the Vatican after all that has come out about it. You have to have some serious wool over your eyes to think there is anything holy about what the Catholic Church has become…from the top down.

  • Wade Ferring

    What a brilliantly wise observation: “The Democrats have presented themselves as the party of the poor, but it makes you wonder: if poor people vote for Democrats, do you think Democrats would want fewer poor people, or more?”

    • http://www.facebook.com/john.doey.73700 John Doey

      And conversely the GOP is the party of the rich so it should stand to reason that entitlement cuts, lower taxes, wars, and a perpetuation of the ruling class at the expense of more than half the country is what they would want.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Hughes/100000562751914 Jack Hughes

        Really John? if a woman can afford designer gear, hair extensions and expensive beauty products then why is she using a medicare card? I am a republican and I earn just over $28,000. As a single person I live in reasonable comfort and I don’t like the idea that someone such as flukey should live without the notion of personal responsibility

        • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

          spoken like a true man who has no idea anything about women and birth control. Stereotypes and class judging are for 5 year olds, please do not participate in adult discussions unless you can act like one.

          “I am a republican and I earn just over $28,000″ add man to that and it perfectly shows that you have no idea the situation of the people you are talking about. First off, remember if you were a woman you’d have to take some off that salary, a few grand. Now add the extra cost of health care in general (when I was uninsured my yearly gyno visit that was require for contraceptive prescriptions cost me $300 to $400… and that was at a Planned Parenthood with a sliding scale for income). You don’t even acknowledge all the extras women have to deal with money wise while making less. I don’t even have the space to get into how many of these women who need contraceptives aren’t even working, or are working minimum wage jobs that barely cover rent nm utilities and food. Also, add to all the extra crap women deal with the fact that all it takes is one contraceptive failure until you either A) ruin all of that progress you fought for or B) scrape together another $500 for an abortion (and hope you can do it before it’s too late)

          Try some compassion… it makes you feel better then hate!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Hughes/100000562751914 Jack Hughes

            Kit there is a really, really good way to stop yourself from getting pregnant, its called complete abstinence, its 100% effective, now even as a ‘man’ I’ve managed to be completely abstinent since my teens (I’m in my mid twenties) so don’t tell me that its impossible. Now the salary I make barely covers the things you mentioned (even though for the part of the world I live in its not too far below the average) .Oh and by the way my mom was a single mother abandonned by my father who worked her socks off so that my sister and I could enjoy a reasonable standard of living, a College education (yes with some financial assistance) and better prospects in life.

          • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

            I won’t tell you it’s impossible to abstain… I will tell you I don’t want to and won’t (I pay for insurance that covers contraceptives like it should so I have sex). I will tell you it’s 2012 not 1800 and with modern technology and medicine we can enjoy sex for the amazing spiritual and physical experience it is and choose when we have it for the purposes of children.

            The thing is this whole thing isn’t about sex at all. It’s about health care. Contraception is considered around the world to be a health issue. It should be treated as any other prescription. the explicit details of who, when, where, and how many times I or Sandra Fluke have sex has absolutely nothing to do with this conversation. It’s brought up to slut-shame her, but it’s none of your business because they have a law saying health care is confidential. If you don’t think it should be covered by insurance then you don’t think any prescriptions should be covered by health insurance.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Hughes/100000562751914 Jack Hughes

            oh dear,

            Prescripton med are designed to treat conditions which impair the healthy functioning of the human body or to aid the body in its fight against those conditions. Now funnlly enough contraception is designed to frustrate the natural end of the sexual act hence why many moral philosphers who defend a natural law view of ethics regard it as imoral.

            Now that is the moral view, let me ask you this question, why should the federal government force a Catholic businessman who runs his business by the values of his religion to violate his conscincse by paying for insurance that covers contraception? (this being the net result of the HSS mandate which violates in so many ways a plain reading of the First Ammendment). Legally speaking you can buy all the insurance for contracepton that you want, if the article is correct it costs 9 bucks a month, as I said earlier thats a latte less at starbucks each fortnight, thats a couple of cokes less a month, two medium fries and a coke at Burger King, if contraception means so much to a person then why shouldn’t they pay for it? I brought a new Computer last night and because I value the $XXX I paid for it I’ve taken out a comprahensive insurance policy out on it incase anything goes wrong. I didn’t go to the federal government and demand that they pay. I’ve just taken out travel insurance on my Christmas vacation unless anything goes wrong e.g. my bags are lost at Heathrow or MSP, I didn’t demand that the Department of Transportation to pay for it.

            I hate to burst your bubble dearie, but just because something is legal it doesn’t mean that someone else Must pick up the tab, contraception is not a health issue in the way that a heart attack is, its a lifestyle choice and obejct to paying for someone else’s decision to lead that lifestyle, you want contraception ? pay for it, 9 bucks a month didn’t break anyone’s bank

          • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

            Ok, when you can find me a link to insurance for $9 a month that will cover my BC please link it, as I pay a hell of a lot more for mine and that’s all I use it for. Until then, I’m just gonna give that a #FALSE

            Second point: your definition of a prescription is a null point since I already pointed out other medications that are even less medical that are covered that you are not protesting… oh and hormone pills DO treat things (besides your fertility) for women. I babysat an 11 year old girl when I was in HS who was given the pill and not told it was contraceptive because she had a hormone imbalance that caused her to be over emotional and act out.

            As for the catholic business man… that’s when you sit him down and explain that rights only extend insofar as to where they impede on someone else’s rights. He is allowed to believe what he wants, but the second he tries to force someone else to obey that belief he is taking away someone else’s right to freedom of religion and his freedom of religion ends. You are buying insurance, the government requires ALL insurance to cover it. whether your employee is using it or not is none of your business. Unless of course said employer feels like signing a power of attorney to the employee so the employee can make the employer’s health decisions too. (I can write one up for him)

            Or for another example, what do you tell a business owner who is a Jehovah’s Witness when he complains about having to pay for insurance that covers blood transfusions? Do you deny his employees blood transfusions when they are dying? Because that’s JUST AS MUCH a violation of their beliefs as contraception is. You tell him No… because the JW’s rights end as soon as he is taking someone else’s rights away.

            As for your argument about “its a lifestyle choice and obejct to paying for someone else’s decision to lead that lifestyle”, well then maybe it’s time churches started paying taxes too, and lets get rid of public schools and tax breaks to parents and married people, because that’s their lifestyle choice and I don’t want to pay for their decision to live that lifestyle anymore since the tax revenue increases would pay for birth control for every girl in America (and probably a few more countries to boot) the thing is that people who want their birth control covered, usually take a hell of a lot less form the government then the people against giving contraceptives. Just because your form of government handouts have been around and accepted for years as the standard… does not make them any less of a handout. Guarantee you if you total up the amount I’ll use of govt. money in my life w/o kids & never on welfare just on the pill… yours will be a much bigger bill with a wife and kids.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Hughes/100000562751914 Jack Hughes

            Ok put it this way, in America there is something called the 1st ammendment it begins with “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” now opposition to Contraception is De Fide dogma of the Catholic Church, the HSS mandate prohibits the Catholic business man from freely exercising his rite to express the values of his religion in his business. Now nowhere in the U.S constituion or the 27 Ammendments is contraception classed as a right, in America buying a 16oz coke is legal in practiaclly everywhere but new york but no one has a right to it, Governer Romney who abstains from Cafinated and alcohol products on religious grounds was not obligated to buy a coke for his employees at bain capital, therefore that point is null and void, if you really want to go into the nitty gritt then Sherbert Vs Verner established the strict scrutiny test if a state wanted to refuse to accommidate religiously motivated conduct. Now when it comes to JW’s the Watchtower society leaves acceptence or rejection of transfusions or donation up to the consicense of the individual JW.

            Beleive me I would love to get rid of state schooling, it is inefficient, wasteful and I think that in many cases it damages the education of children. I would love nothing more than a constutional ammendment or supreme court decision to the effect that respects the rights of the parents as the primary educators of their children, just think of the taxes we could put back in the pockets of american families if its $19.4 billion budget was cut from the federal balance books. As for Marriage between one man and one woman the government gives such tax breaks becasue it rightly recognises that the traditional family is the bedrock of socieity and that that state ought to be encouraged. As for taxing Churches I believe (not completely sure) that the reason not to lies behind the 1st ammendment, one could argue that in taxing religion one was prohibiting the free excise thereof.

            Also another ammendment that the HSS mandate violates is the 10th which reads “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
            prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively,
            or to the people.” now the power to compel people to purchase health insurace that requires contraception is not granted to the fedearl government by the constituion or its ammendments which also do not prohibit such power to the state, therefore the10th ammendment is being violated .

            May I ask you a question, why are so filled with vennom, I argue philosphy, the role of government, quote the Constitution its ammendments and findings of the supreme court, you respond with Vennom and demands for others to pay for your choices, why?

          • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

            I am filled with venom because every time I’m on this site and try to discuss ideas, everyone wants to talk about me and how I live my life, or use their religion as proof of something. I read the same venom

            I see your Romney example and raise you: He wasn’t however allowed from permitting them from drinking soda at home or bring in their own. As I said like 10,000 times on this thread… businessmen are meant to pay for insurance, what the ins is used for is NONE…….. OF……..THEIR…….BUSINESS. It’s illegal for them to inquire…HIPPA violation. End of discussion. Go protest viagra and see how much of a response you get from people when you take away the slut-shaming aspect of it. It’s not about your beliefs it’s about believing girls who have sex outside of marriage are going to hell… otherwise you’d be protesting the viagra and “slut” men too.

            Just as your spiritual beliefs are against BC, mine are for it. 1st amend protects me too.

            Also, thank you for explaining in great detail all the things I listed before, but you forgot that they ARE all still “lifestyle choices” and in 10 years or so I will be able to go into detail about how contraceptives are covered because it is the societal norm and beneficial for today’s families to be able to plan.

            The JW thing, they can CHOOSE transfusion or not just as most Christians can CHOOSE to use contraceptive (because I know plenty of married Xtians who use it) I still fail to see how this allows them to make that choice for their employees in any way shape or form. If the JW can’t refuse to pay for insurance that covers transfusions then the Xtian can’t refuse insurance that covers BC. simple as that!

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Hughes/100000562751914 Jack Hughes

            You just don’t get it do you?

            The 1st Ammedment protects the FREE EXPRESSION of Religion, the federal governmetn once took this so seriously that during prohibition wine was still allowed to be manufactured and sold for use in religious services.

            I think you need to purchase a copy of the United States Constitution and its 27 ammendments, the HSS mandate flagrantly disgregards the 1st and 10th ammendments, it is ILLEGAL period, just like someone coming round your house and murdering you.

            You and your ilk want to ruin this great country by dragging it down to the statist socialism of my native England, well I’m sorry but you have me and a phalanx of Conservatives to deal with, we believe in the United States, its Constitution, to us it is the shining city on a hill as described by President Reagan, we are the heirs of Jefferson, Washington and Reagan and we will not allow your and yours to disgrace the country they served.

      • HeadDesk

        There’s no way you can make everyone in the country “rich”. If that’s the GOP’s plan (it’s not, genius), they’re pumping a dry well. You can, however, make everyone in the country poor. Quite easily.

        • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

          then you can get everyone to shame, blame and hate them for being poor so no one notices who the real criminal is

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Hughes/100000562751914 Jack Hughes

    Horah for Kirstin !! I don’t understand people like Fluky, Where did the notion of personal responsibility go? I work, I pay taxes, if fluky wants to screw whoever she wants to then she should take responsibiility for the consequences e.g. children (which by the way are not as the dunce in chief thinks a punishment), if she wants to be doubly immoral and use the pill (an early abortificant) then I don’t see why uncle Sam should be forced to pay for it.

    • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

      You just love your slut-shaming don’t you! So how do you feel about the fact that women who choose never to have children are refused their request to be sterilized to ensure no abortion has to happen because they “are not mature enough to make that decision” until they are 30-35 (depending on the doctor) or have 2+ kids?

      I work, I pay taxes too… I am against war and tax cuts for people who decided to be parents. that said, I am also a rational adult who realize it is impossible for so many reasons to divide up my tax dollars and everyone else’s to only go to the things they aren’t against. Why can’t you? or better yet, why are you so anti-women (because seriously you are) because they are dirty sluts (read as: Responsible women who have and enjoy safe sex) but haven’t mentioned the billions of dollars our country has spent over the last ten years on killing TONS of real, born, living people in the wars?

      I have a sneaking suspicion it’s just because you want an excuse to slut-shame women and not only feel good about it, but feel Godly about it. Honestly though, you should see someone about your blatant hatred of women. All that pent up aggression can’t be good for you.

      • HeadDesk

        Sluts should be shamed. Thoroughly.

        • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

          then why are you not lining up to shame the millions of men who do the exact same thing?!?!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Hughes/100000562751914 Jack Hughes

        Dear Kit

        Assuming that you are familiar with the biology of procreation let us realise that sexual acts are ordered towards procreation, now the likes of Sandra Fluke want to enjoy the pleasureable effects of physical intimacy without the resulting children. She therefore uses contraception, now Georgetown is in theory a Catholic University and therefore does not cover contraception as part of its student health insurance (so far as I know) Before we get on let us remember that Ms Fluke CHOSE to attend Georgetown (one hopes knowing about its Catholic identity – I would love to attend the VERY Catholic Fisher More if I could afford it), she could have chosen another college that DID offer contraception as part of its coverage. , it would cost Ms Fluke $9.00 or so for all the contraception she
        could get her hands on, that is maybe a latte or so less at Starbucks
        every fortnight, just because something is legal e.g. buying a 16oz Coke (unless you live in New York) does mean that the government (read Taxpayer) should pick up the tab.

        BTW I disagreed with the Iraq and Afganistan wars at the time and still do so, I believe that they were terriably expenseive strategic mistakes but that has no bearing on this story.

        Funnily enough I am not a mysoginist, I love woman and indeed sometimes envy them, as for ‘slut-shaming’ I’m actually against it as I beleive that it is counterproductive, I am for protecting promoting Traditional Marriage (which by the way leaves fathers less likely to abandon their family), the idea of young men and women going to the altar as virgins and for ridding the culture of pornography (which demeans women no end).

        • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

          Yes, I passed advanced biology in school with an A+. If biology is your logic, then I can link you to plenty of info on the many pleasure centers on the body and say sex is just as much for pleasure and it is for making babies (more so actually since you have pleasure centers in places that don’t make babies too)

          Also, let’s remember that Georgetown CHOSE to be a school and CHOSE to provide health insurance (because what the students use the insurance for is none of the school’s business under HIPPA remember) Honestly, whether or not the insurance covers contraception would never even have entered my mind in choosing a college because to most of us in 2012 BC is nothing more than a prescription, as well and thousands of other optional drugs that are not REQUIRED but make life easier and are covered by normal insurance (because I don’t see anyone protesting that they have to pay for insurance that covers viagra, or the guy on medicare I talked to at work today who gets hair regrowth medication on it) If we aren’t going to cover contraception we should also be attacking all optional medications and then let the government tear though everyone’s health history and tell them exactly what they need and don’t (not just the women who responsibly don’t want kids)

          and yes you are a misogynist because the only version of a woman you respect is the one who is a virgin and marrys a man and has children. It’s awesome to want that for yourself and not settle until you find that woman that you want, but to think that because that’s what you want, that is what every woman should want to be is an extremely sexist POV. Pornography only demeans women to someone who thinks all women are only supposed to want to marry as virgins and have babies. Sex is awesome fun and natural… the only thing demeaning about it is the people looking at it thinking less of anyone simply because they enjoy sex.

          I keep making the same point over and over… you don’t see anyone on my side of the fence trying to force or shame you into acting like us. You found what makes you happy, so hold the f$#% onto that… I did too, but that involves not getting married, but just living with the love of my life and enjoying each other’s company, and not having kids because I spend my time helping the people already in the world that no one wanted to love/help. I’ve seen what happens when people do your life plan even though they don’t want to. My parents listened to that and married as virgins and had children because that’s what everyone demanded they do to be happy… and they were miserable, and they hated it, and it ended in years of physical and emotional abuse mixed together in a ton of alcohol addiction.

          Once you find your happy place in life this shit tends to melt away. If you are truly happy with yourself and where you are at, you realize it really doesn’t matter what someone else does to be as happy as you are, as long as they aren’t hurting anyone else by doing it… f$%#ing good for them! They’re doing better then most people out there.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jack-Hughes/100000562751914 Jack Hughes

            ROFL, sorry but you really are funny Kit, at High School I had a friend who was pressured into sex by her then boyfriend who was a bit of a mutt, now she is married to a wonderful man who I’m sure doesn’t think any the less of her because she wasn’t a vrigin when they married. As for porn, it tends to get guys to believe that you can tell her that you’ll be the best partner in the world and you’ll never leave use her simply for pleasure and then dump her without worrying about the consequences, gets girls to believe that the only status they have in life is as an object of pleasure as opposed to a person who deserves to be loved.; I’ve loved our little conversations and would like to continue them, but I have lots of painting and reading to do.

          • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

            (I try to cut the seriousness sometimes. thank you for understanding the humor! lol) and I found a guy who loves me because of my past and who it made me not in spite of it. We watch a lot of porn together since we’re comfortable with our sexuality. I mean, if you’re going to rag on porn for what it teaches young impressionable minds (because mature people like you or I watching porn obviously wouldn’t have the same effect) and this is going to be funny but I mean it seriously… I give my counter argument: Fifty Shades of Grey. At least porn is honest and up front about what it is. shades parades as porn but is FULL of a man convincing a woman to be into an abusive relationship. sure she gives her consent, but I’m guessing it’s closer to the story that happened to your friend in HS then the love story it claims to be. Yes, kinky sex is a bad thing to expose people to before they know and experience vanilla sex first… but mature minds open to sexual discovery between two mentally sound, full of self-worth and esteem adults is amazing. and honestly, I never would have gotten to the place of respect for myself that I have if I hadn’t let some people take advantage of me…it’s part of the process. Your HS friend was just quicker to get the point while I was too busy blaming the guys rather than my ability to pick the wrong ones..

          • http://www.facebook.com/mike.dellavecchia.3 Mike DellaVecchia

            How deeply philosophical and moral. “Porn is good.” No, porn is evil. It leads to the abuse of women. But just because you enjoy it with your boyfriend is why we should all believe otherwise? You have triumphed yet again, Tara. Such an amazing display of rhetoric. Yuck.

  • Kimberly Wedel

    Another fabulous article. Keep them coming. Apparently Time magazine wants to go the way of Newsweek. They are making a laughingstock of themselves.

  • Basset_Hound

    I think Psy is a much more qualified nominee. His “Gangnam Style” video shows he can sing and dance better than Fluke can.

    • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

      **knock knock** hey kettle how are you doing… this is pot here…by the way… you’re black

  • robbins_mitchell

    Sandra Fluke (rhymes with phuque) is more like “Cunt of the Month”

    • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

      Cunt was originally supposed to describe the beauty and power of the vagina… so I actually agree with your statement. She is beautiful and powerful :)

  • http://www.facebook.com/allison.frankfother Allison Frankfother

    Wow, this is…..not a loving article. Bet you would be nicer to Sandra Fluke if she were a fetus. #impro-lifetoo

  • DellaVecchia

    Sandra Fluke: Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your count.

    • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

      I ask myself what I can do for my count every day. My count loves me for it!

      • DellaVecchia

        I think what is necessary in dealing with you is for those who are offended by you to restrain themselves from trying to argue with your circular rhetoric but to realize the potency in speaking from their hearts in admitting the fearful perception that you are an ugly person. Your repetitve reduction of reason to base sexual themes as buttressed by your evoking the U.S. Constitution and today’s vogue mores to underwrite your entirely self-serving disposition is disgusting. Your ruse is to cause a good person to feel shame for even speaking with you, because you are unkind, unsavory, skin-deep, and repulsive. You teach nothing except to school us in the irony that it has been useless to discuss politics and philosophy with a rascal whose bombast is consistently self-referential and flesh-driven. You oppose us for founding our beliefs and routing our arguments in the Apostolic Tradition and the Bible. However, at least our positions are determined with other points of view in mind. Yours are entirely whatever comes into your psyche and yours alone. We find it wholly more rewarding to square away our points with what we have been taught is God’s will, rather than hoping we can do right by—or even outwit—a repulsive human being like yourself. As far as we are concerned, you may have won every single debate here—this is the Internet, congratulations. It was not even *you* in the corporeal sense gaining the laurel wreath, but a bunch of words and images appearing on the screen reverting continually back to conflicting precepts that you have formed instantaneously in your mind, purporting the existence of a person trolling this Pro-Life page all day long in order to accomplish an agenda that nobody really understands. You would never risk the shame of displaying your actual identity, because you would be betraying not only your security, but the fact that you find yourself too ugly to influence people in the real world. However, we are not afraid of showing people comparatively more of who we actually are. We are Pro-Life, Christian, Roman Catholic, charitable, rational. You belong to yourself—or at least you think you do. You belong to the world—or at least you think you do. You carry the flag of liberty—or at least you think you do. You are possessed of only one thing you believe you can be sure identifies you, which is that word “slut.” To be sure, none of us are keen to argue with a person who fatuously degrades herself, because doing so would depict us as having low opinions of ourselves and one another. I mean, has it really come to this? To be arguing on a blog page with somebody like you about abortion? You don’t deserve our opinions, our conversations, our arguments, or our infuriation. You present yourself as grotesque and you laugh up your sleeve that we have fallen for your cunning ruses that have been meant to pitstop us on the journey to seeing that abortion becomes outlawed. We have wasted our time with you. Please feel free to keep writing. Your words will either be deleted or ignored. Saving the lives of unborn children is more important than tossing pearls before swine. To everybody else who is reading this, please remember the following words from Revelation: “Let the wicked still act wickedly, and the filthy still be filthy. The righteous must still do right, and the holy still be holy.” (Revelation 22:11)

        • DellaVecchia

          I am sure she is now going to say how mean we all are because of what I have just written. I would rather be “mean” than to mock and scorn all day long like she does. Yuck.

          • DellaVecchia

            By the way, when she replied to my initial comment, the notification included a link to her Web site/blog, which is known as “Kit Love @ The Ranting Slut.” Very repugnant stuff. Her naked image is set as the Wall paper there, her mocking grin, and all the usual screed. It is amazing that she thinks she is lending power to the “Pro-Choice” movement when her online m.o. resembles the same trash you can see on broadcast television or on the Internet everywhere. Really, how much of this low junk do we have to digest before convincing a person like “Kit Love” that there is more below the surface and that an unborn baby is not just another piece of flesh that can be thrown out there, quartered up, and discarded? Let me ask you something, Kit Love: real works of art and literature last for centuries (if you don’t believe that the Bible and the Apostolic Tradition are themselves eternal). After your body becomes old and dies and decomposes, how much do you think your beloved world is going to value your body that you are offering up for objectification, lust, and scorn? Do you not think it’s time start realizing that a human body is meant for something a lot deeper than how you are currently representing it? Maybe the day that you wake up will never come. In the meantime, I think that all of us are finished with your present rhetoric.

          • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

            I’m not lending power to the pro-choice movement. It’s doing fine on it’s own (proven solidly by the last election) I am lending power to the compassion movement. I don;t think an unborn baby is flesh to be tossed, I think it’s something most people who have kids have NO IDEA how much of a responsibility it is and as a kid who took years recovering from such parents… I think it’s pretty f#$%ed up that you think a better idea is to force these people to have kids. I think it’s much worse torture to force a kid to be raised by parents who don’t understand/accept that responsibility. The kinds of things that happen in houses like that ruin a kid for a good chunk to all of it’s life.

            I don’t expect the world to value my body… that’s my responsibility. Do not comment on how I represent the world until you can understand how I am representing the world. I do not need an awakening. If you are trying to allude to me finding God, well yes I do have a higher power… I am a VERY spiritual person actually. I just think Christianity is a little too… I donno… put together by a group of men pulling various aspects from the other religious beliefs at the time to try and better insure their people would convert to the religion they made up (See any list of all the things they stole Christmas from) that they would be in control of so they could better control their people. After that a lot of the “sins” in your religion are obvious efforts to control the people by a leader. At the time they wanted people to continue breeding to grow their empire, but they didn’t want to have to take care of a bunch of single mothers with kids, so they made it a “sin” to have kids out of wedlock (forcing the guy to stay and support the family)

            But hey, that’s just my guesses on it… this many thousands of years later it’s anyone’s guess (For a better example of how this happens watch the Dr. Who episode where they end up on a planet at perpetual war between humans and fishlike aliens)

            All that and I didn’t even have to mention how many of your own beliefs you broke by judging me so much (and so wrongly :P)

        • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

          more of a reply to the rest later but for now… we’re talking about birth control not abortion… now re-writing on that totally separate topic!

          • DellaVecchia

            But you do degrade yourself. That girl had nothing to do with your morality. She merely verbally condemned you. Rather than laughing about her, you decided that you should appropriate her designation of you as your essence, your banner, your armor? Is that not what we should avoid in life—to eschew allowing another person to define how we feel about ourself? You present yourself as a person who thinks she is a slut. Do you believe some people are sluts? (Yes, you do beecause you’ve just defined that girl as a person who sleeps around.) So why do you promote other people’s impression of you by parading that interpretation as your image? You think that the reader/viewer is supposed to see the irony that other people think you are a slut when you iconographically pretend that you are? Is this also supposed to be your saying “I’ll be however I want to be, and you can all bug off if you don’t like it, and if it gets you angry, well here’s another picture of me naked, and here is some more verbal profanity?”
            .
            It isn’t working. You are making an idiot of yourself. You are here on a Roman Catholic site. One of the saints, Thomas Aquinas, valued human intelligence as evidence that God exists. You are obviously intelligent. By destroying yourself online you are disqualifying yourself in God’s and the world’s eyes. Please believe me: what comes over is not your brain, but only your emotions. All day long you have to defend yourself like you are doing now. This plays out as sad. You are meant to be worth more than that.
            .
            I don’t want to know your real name. What you typed is probably not your real name (you are surely too streetwise to risk putting your real name out here on the Internet, which would prove that you do indeed “know” how the Internet “works”), but you typed some made-up name in order to attempt to prove that you have nothing to hide, not the least of which is your identity in order to prove that you are a stand-up person. But if this is your real name, please delete what you wrote. You should never endanger you and your family like this. Doing so shows that you do not “know” how the Internet “works.”

            I detect that you want others to believe that you are unfairly judged, like the ex-Wall-Street raider with the sudden heart of gold, who can’t shake off her past because people keep reminding her of it. To show that we have unfair preconceptions of you, you claim that you help many people (more than I could “ever dream to”), while we probably do not. How do you know how many people I influence? That’s mighty presumptuous of you. I am a father of five kids, two of them autistic stepchildren. I am a volunteer relief worker. I have helped thousands of people. You appear to want to be making an argument that Roman Catholics are too wrapped up in doctrine and defending our church that we are too self-absorbed to give charity. I would not be so fast to make such a contention, especially by using your own life as a comparative example. The fact that you advocate for abortion evinces that you are actually *hurting,* not *helping* people. Abortion is murder, and your words say that it is OK to have abortions (ie, to commit murder). You betray yourself.
            .
            Regarding the good things that you do, I am very glad to know about them. Please don’t quote me to say that I said you are a “slut.” You instead present yourself as one. I would not tolerate one of my sisters or daughter presenting themselves in this way. If I take action, it is because I would *judge* myself as malfeasant and uncaring if I did not take action. As a matter of fact, you are the one calling yourself names and showing your image illictly. You invoke Matthew 7:1 (“Stop judging that you may not be judged”). But please understand that if we did not counteract you and expose you here, that we would have to face God for allowing you to proceed her as you have. There are many more Bible verses to overturn your idea that we are “judging.” Here are a few:

            “Say these things. Exhort and correct with all authority. Let no one look down on you.” (Titus 2:15)

            “This testimony is true. Therefore, rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith.” (Titus 1:13)

            “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” (Ephesians 5:11)

            “Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction.” (2 Timothy 4:2)

            “Them that sin reprove before all: that the rest also may have fear.” (1 Timothy 5:20)

            Why do you portray yourself as being so ugly if your real life is filled with these good deeds that you do? Are you trying to illustrate us as being stupid for “judging” you, while you provide advocacy for murder, and engage in reductio ad hominem and ad absurdum rhetoric in order to sidetrack arguments against abortion into your own online holdings of court?

            You stereotype yourself as a “slut.” I agree with you that stereotypes are awful. I never used a single one regarding you. You use them against yourself and your own writing. Sorry, but your rhetoric fails here.

            You engage in reiki; you subscribe to the high order of hippie philosophy; you role-play (LARP); you do the legwork for attorneys; you try to change people’s backwards views through political activism; you like video games; you blog; you counsel the adult offspring of alcoholics… But you are pro-abortion. You are doing yourself in.

            You call upon your outrage regaring our rebuking you who is so interesting, charitable, and well-rounded. Your good points are not what you have served up to us. You gave us a pro-murder stance, tried to poke holes in our pro-life arguments, and showed your unclothed self as a person fatuously posting the flag of her sovereign will. You think that by illustrating yourself as benevolent post-facto is supposed to shame us for reprimanding you pre-facto? Sorry but you served us up some nasty stuff about yourself in the attempt to expose us as being uncharitable and negative.

            And yet here you are imploring me to see you as a good person. Funny, I thought you were worse than that; I thought your fatuousness would have no limit. I mean I didn’t think you would want to be seen as good at all, or just be nasty in your reply. Apparently I have dealt with persons exactly like you on different days when they weren’t so contrite or yielding, or with people who behave altogether evilly. So maybe, like you say, I should soften? Nope. You are still full of mischief. You are trying to impress upon us that our dogmatism and pigheadedness have brought enmity unfairly upon you. But that’s a ruse that is not going to work. You aren’t merely a pro-abortion person. Your modus operandi is not mere rhetoric. You supply the reader/viewer with twists of the truth, profane imagery, and snares that you are just another victim of the unfair mores of society and a lone torch-bearer for the oppressed and underserved. A woman who has sex should realize that the world is filled with the evils you point out in your arguments before giving in to her passions. Her taking ownership of her decision, or even of the unfair circumstances beyond her will (even of rape) that caused her pregnancy is what makes her better as a person. There are many women who have decided to have their children despite horrible circumstances that you and your pro-abortion friends never make mention of. They are better people than most of us, no matter how much you try to urge people that they are only hurting your movement. It is my prerogative to help them, because my religion, Roman Catholicism, urges me to do so. You don’t. You also don’t urge people to adopt orphans whom you would rather were aborted. You don’t urge people to bring children into the world at all. Only to limit population growth. Being that an unborn child is a human life, yes, this little difference of opinion is what makes people—even we burly stuffy males—to try to prevent people from murdering them. If you believed that an unborn child was a human being you would probably be formidable in trying to defend its life. I have a certain feeling about you in that regard. However, you only care about yourself and your opinions, and how people feel about you, and whether we are judging you. You have compassion for nobody but yourself when your back is against the wall. I know a lot of women whose back is against the wall when they decide to have their baby. They are much better people than you or me.

            Merry Christmas, by the way. Mary was against the wall when she decided to have her child, too. If you celebrate Christmas, remember that she was a woman who was impoverished, an outlaw, thought to have been impregnated out of wedlock, and a refugee. She was willing. You are not. But many pro-abortioners celebrate Christmas, anyway. That’s really interesting. I think they need more information.

            So the road to grace is to escape from responsibility and teaching others how to do it? Just because you had awful parents? Just because some parents don’t have the money or time? Just because you decide that a child’s destiny is going to be unhappy? Who are you to remove the free will from a developing life? I had a lousy childhood, just like you had a lousy childhood. But now I have five children. Would my children’s grandparents say, when they are playing with my kids, that the should have aborted me? No, Tara (or whatever your name is), the road to grace is having grace under pressure. I think you should stop deciding whether other people should be pursuing their road to happiness, including unborn babies you have nothing to do with, and instead embrace that you are primarily concerned with your pursuing your own.

            I have no idea how awful it is to be raped or to suffer the confusion and doubt characterizing pregnancy because of a rape. However, the issue of having an abortion does not become a difficult one at all if the mother does not believe that the baby is a human life inside her, or that she *can* improve her soul by having the child despite the difficulty, doubts, and stigma society would place upon her decision to have the baby

            You argue from emotion and I am not going to criticize you for it. I think it is actually a good thing rather than a bad thing, although our catechism warns both for and against the use of emotion, which it calls “passions.” In Revelations 3:16, Christ says, “Because you were neither cold nor hot, but lukewarm, I will spit you out of my mouth.”

            Roman Catholics are different from other Christians, because we believe that suffering redeems us. There is a poem by G. Studdert-Kennedy that explains that Christ suffers with you when you are in pain, and contends that if you are willing to take up your cross (have the baby), you will understand the meaning of passion—which is actually found in suffering. I know that this is probably foreign to you, but Roman Catholics are greatly misunderstood and misrepresented for being preachy. And yes, there are plenty of Catholics who engage only in comforts, or in what St. John of the Cross called “Spritual Gluttony” (ie, living only to a nice, unprovoking spiritual experience of worshipping, like those Christians who are in the pew next to you who get offended if your child is making even the slightest of gurgling noises, but who never discomfort themselves to help others). Yes, all religions, just like yours, have corrupt individuals in them. But real Roman Catholics go to great lengths to improve the welfare of others while attaining our salvation, but because of Matthew 6, where Christ forbids us to take credit for our good works, we do not show the good that we do. It isn’t necessary. But if you open your eyes, and research on the Internet, you may find that we do more charitable and spiritual things than any religion in the world. I had to say this, because you give voice only to the contentiousness raised by the people who disagree with or even hate us. Anyway, here is the GSK poem:

            When Jesus came to Golgotha, they hanged Him on a tree,
            They drove great nails through hands and feet, and made a Calvary;
            They crowned Him with a crown of thorns, red were His wounds and deep,
            For those were crude and cruel days, and human flesh was cheap.

            When Jesus came to Birmingham, they simply passed Him by.
            They would not hurt a hair of Him, they only let Him die;
            For men had grown more tender, and they would not give Him pain,
            They only just passed down the street, and left Him in the rain.

            Still Jesus cried, ‘Forgive them, for they know not what they do, ‘
            And still it rained the winter rain that drenched Him through and through;
            The crowds went home and left the streets without a soul to see,
            And Jesus crouched against a wall, and cried for Calvary.

            In other words, He would rather be in agony in Calvary than be stuck among the uncaring.

            And so here I am presented with a person who exhorts me to believe she is a good person. Gee, I didn’t think you had it in you to care about what others think—or about how your children and parents feel knowing that the world thinks ill things about their mom and daughter. It’s not much, but it’s a start.

            What do you actually know about Roman Catholicism? A bunch of men “pulling various aspects from other religious beliefs,” you say. You are absolutely righ!. We also occupy rooms of houses and buildings to in order to pray in them! We stole that from the ancient Greeks! We eat food sacramentally like the Buddists. We pray a lot, just like Zoroastrians! And we even have funerals and weddings just like the ancient Hebrews and Romans! So are you also going to argue that we misapprpriated all those ideas as well? Christmas was the converting of the saturnalia feast to be sure. Our church even got its structure from ancient Roman bureacracy (ie, the bishopric, etc.). Indeed it was all pagan before we convalidated it all. Sorry if we aren’t creative enough for you. But then again, didn’t founding Reiki master Usui get a lot of his ideas from Shintoism and Taoism? And isn’t a great deal of the meaning of Reiki lost because Hawayo Takata diluted it in order to make the practice more available and palatable to Americans and Europeans? Or do you want to argue that these “pulling [of] various aspects” are merely thefts rather than upgrades and improvements? Are you sure you are practicing true Reiki or a westernized version?
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            Please take a look at the following excerpts from the Roman Catholic Bible and also the catechism, when you think about emotion, modesty, and profanity.

            PROFANITY:

            “Avoid profane, idle talk, for such people will become more and more godless.” (2 Timothy 2:16)

            Please, Tara, stop cursing. I beg you. Stop. What gets me is when somebody with a brain gets it lost the flames ignited by her emotion. This leads me to where the Catechism makes warnings and assurances about emotion:

            PASSIONS AND MORAL LIFE:
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            “1767 In themselves passions are neither good nor evil. They are morally qualified only to the extent that they effectively engage reason and will. Passions are said to be voluntary, “either because they are commanded by the will or because the will does not place obstacles in their way.” It belongs to the perfection of the moral or human good that the passions be governed by reason.
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            “1768 Strong feelings are not decisive for the morality or the holiness of persons; they are simply the inexhaustible reservoir of images and affections in which the moral life is expressed. Passions are morally good when they contribute to a good action, evil in the opposite case. The upright will orders the movements of the senses it appropriates to the good and to beatitude; an evil will succumbs to disordered passions and exacerbates them. Emotions and feelings can be taken up into the virtues or perverted by the vices.
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            “1769 In the Christian life, the Holy Spirit himself accomplishes his work by mobilizing the whole being, with all its sorrows, fears and sadness, as is visible in the Lord’s agony and passion. In Christ human feelings are able to reach their consummation in charity and divine beatitude.
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            “1770 Moral perfection consists in man’s being moved to the good not by his will alone, but also by his sensitive appetite, as in the words of the psalm: “My heart and flesh sing for joy to the living God.”
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            I have enlisted the aid of the Catechism to show you that your outrage can be used to good, while it is possible that, although you share the same analyses that a good person has (eg, not wanting a pregnant woman to suffer) that your solutions should become the same as a good person (ie, to keep the baby). Abortion is therefore caused by a person wanting to flee the emotions associated with agony. Instead, agony can both redeem and enrich a person. Why did Christ die for us, after all? Or, why are there Five Reiki Precepts? Wouldn’t it be easier just to steal, fornicate, lie, kill, and get drunk rather than to undergo the agony of resisting these evils when it would alleviate a lot of pain just to be able to practice them? But because you don’t believe that abortion is killing, the Five Reiki Precepts do not apply here, in your opinion. That is sad and wrong.
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            MODESTY:
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            “2521/2522 Modesty protects the intimate center of the person. It means refusing to unveil what should remain hidden. It is ordered to chastity to whose sensitivity it bears witness. It guides how one looks at others and behaves toward them in conformity with the dignity of person and their solidarity. Modesty protects the mystery of persons and their love. It encourages patience and moderation in loving relationships; it requires that the conditions for the definitive giving and commitment of man and woman to one another be fulfilled. Modesty is decency. It inspires one’s choice of clothing. It keeps silence or reserve where there is evident risk of unhealthy curiosity. It is discreet.”
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            I didn’t like it when my sister used to portray herself on Facebook as a floozy, thinking that she was only showing off her gym body. Her imagery used to lead to a lot of misunderstandings. She stopped presenting herself that way. And now her life is simpler.
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            At this point, you probably see me as some pathetic version of Darth Vader, asking you to “join us” as he outreaches his hand to a wounded Luke Skywalker. But do you remember when Azal tried to destroy Dr. Who? Remember how Azal could not understand that Jo Grant was willing to sacrifice her own life rather than to allow the doctor to be killed? And remember how Azal’s own power was turned against him in his confusion over how somebody could be self-sacrificial? To me this is a metaphor for a mother giving up her own security and comforts so that her baby could be spared. Saint Gianna Berretta Molla died so that her fourth child could be born. She knew she would die in childbirth, but she gave birth to her child anyway. Why doesn’t the media mention people like her when it declares that Christians are waging a war against women. Among Gianna’s last words, spoken to her sister, were said to be, “If you only knew how differently things are judged at the hour of death! … How vain certain things appear, to which we gave such importance in the world!” Sounds like a lot more selfless than what is prescribed even in Buddhism. As a matter of fact, it puts to shame just about anybody who claims that Christianity is anti-woman. People like Gianna are not out parading how wonderful their good deeds are. They don’t have Facebook accounts. They don’t record songs. But their offspring are everywhere. My own mother was told that I was going to die when I was born. As I lay in her arms with my blue skin, and the hospital staff was unable to find a priest, she baptized me herself with some nearby water. This act is unheard of in the Catholic Church. But my baptism actually counted and it is on record in the diocese as a valid one. Gee, that doesn’t sound like the rule-oriented staunch austere priggish church that Henry VIII and Martin Luther and Sandra Fluke have rallied against. My mom’s pregancy was extremely difficult, by the way, and she decided to have me nonetheless. My childhood and young adulthood were horrible. I was abused. I made mistakes and failures constantly. I was near suicide many times. I would have been a good poster child for a “fetus” who should have been aborted. And yet I am here, raising my children, taking care of my wonderful and beautiful Roman Catholic wife, doing relief work for the poor, and meanwhile trying to convince some sad, quarrelsome, contentious, vexatious, profane woman to end her pro-abortion views and come over to my side. I don’t believe that I can do it.
            .
            Can you please make some concession toward me? Just one? Please.
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            I’ll make one: You aren’t ugly but you have good inside of you. I can feel it. I just want you to stop presenting yourself this way. I am sorry I called you ugly (but I am not sorry that I meant that your behavior was ugly).
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            Now can you please stop doing something—just anything—even if it is just ceasing the naked imagery, or the profanity, or just reflecting what I wrote here rather than spending that time to think up specious arguments to put on this pro-life site. Maybe tomorrow you will start to see a “fetus” as a human being. But maybe you can just start, for now, to change at least something? I am not going to apologize for anything else. You are very rascally and if I give you an inch, you’ll probably take a whole foot!
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            Seriously: please?
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            - Mike D.

          • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

            READ AS: -More slut shaming
            -Accusing me of calling someone a slut (using fallacies of logic)
            -Pushing your God on me rudely since I stated I don’t share the belief
            -Insults
            -Condescending “worth more” line that READS AS: you are not what I want all people to be so you must be bad (yup this is slut-shaming)
            -Proof you don’t in fact know the internet works as you accuse me of lying rather than googling my name. I know how the internet works. I know people who could take your post and find you name, phone #, where you live and what comp you posted it from. If someone wants to find me, they will no matter what
            -Parental style condescending warning about name on internet using my family as guilt trip (psst. I have no family)
            -Assumption I WANT to shake off my past after I’ve told you a million times it’s not my insecurity… it’s your petty judging a book by it’s cover
            -Defending self about Roman Catholics and charity (BAHAHAHA you subscribe to a church with a leader who hides sex-criminals in a city full of gold and touts “charity” and “helping people” and no, the fact that you are so against a stripper but love the guy who helps child molesters is not lost on me)
            -ANOTHER fallacy of logic saying I advocate for abortion after I’ve stated I don’t. I advocate for not letting people force other’s to live by their beliefs. Your spiritual belief is for no abortions. Good for you. Don’t have one. I haven’t had one either and don’t plan to as I’m getting fixed in a month. Doesn’t make me want to force someone else to give up their CHOICE
            -Fallacy of logic abortion=murder is your belief not fact
            -states I act like a slut… really you do not get it! By anyone who has defined a slut, I fit the derfinition. I am ok with that and I do not regret it. I wouldn’t give up all the amazing sex I’ve had, the experiences dancing, or all my fav photo shoots (that aren’t even naked and look the same as what’s in most magazines nowadays) for anything in this world.
            -Perfectly demonstrate control issues by “not allowing” sister or daughter to act like that. If your sister is over 18 who do you think you are that you have the right to “allow” her to do anything? Same goes for your daughter @ 18.
            -Proves he does not know the meaning of “caring” for someone as he thinks this controlling (abusive) thought process is “caring”. Ask ANY psychologist on this if you don’t believe me
            -Once again forcing YOUR GOD on me (and you think my swearing is rude?)
            -Fallacy of logic: Quotes bible versus as proof he can push his religion on me. Let’s play rock paper scissors… or Bible, constitution, law. Constitution and Law beat Bible sorry!
            -States I portray myself as ugly – Welcome to exactly what I think of Christian Mythologists who think because THEY believe something they can force everyone else to. Your Jesus is SO GOOD… why do his followers portray themselves so ugly?
            -Fallacy of logic: Birth Control is not murder as no life ever exists
            -Condescending attitude about doing myself in (thanks Dad but I say the same thing about you)
            -Missing the point that I MEANT to not serve up the good points, because I want you to read my words and judge my thoughts and engage in intelligent discussion. The only people that do that would have the same argument with a Westboro Baptist member or a Heroine addict off the street. I want to attract people who debate on ideas and do not discount someone’s thoughts based on how much sex they’ve had or who has seen them naked. If you want to ACTUALLY DISCUSS a point it shouldn’t matter if I am the whore of Babylon or the virgin mary. It’s supposed to make you think twice before discounting someone’s words for something COMPLETELY unrelated.
            -Assuming I want you to see me as a good person. I want you to stop thinking of people as good or bad. I have seen people go from saints to drinking themselves into brain damage, and stealing. I have also seen people go from criminals to saints. I have seen people do horrible things to people thinking they were helping them and I have seen people do amazing things trying to screw someone over. I want you to look at me and everyone else like a PERSON. Screw your good or bad. No one is completely either. Something you may judge may just be someone lost who hasn’t figured it out yet or matured, or you may have not figured it out yet and they’re right. Stop calling people good or bad. They are people and whether they are good or bad is not my or your place to decide (we’ll leave that to our Higher Powers) just treat them like PEOPLE and stop trying to control them. They are not yours to control…
            -Fallacy of logic: I am pro-choice not pro-abortion. I accept that’s not my choice to make. (I didn’t call you anti-women’s rights instead of pro-life)

            -DISGUSTINGLY OFFENSIVE acceptance of rape comment!!!!!!

            -Fallacy of logic: assuming I don’t advocate for adoption. I do, I advocate for the thousands of children already living that no one wants because they are not cute lil babies. If you are so pro-life why did you have children instead of adopting so there would actually be ROOM in those orphanages for the kids you want to be born rather than aborted? I do not want children and never have, but if I did I would have adopted rather than have my own as IMO I’d be selfish for not taking care of the children alive and unloved before bringing another into the world. Guess I’m more pro-life then you.

            -More fear mongering words like “pro-abortion” and “murder”. You know, change all those to terrorist and you could work for Homeland Security terrifying people into signing away their rights.
            -More condescending “if you thought it was a life you would”… I’m starting to think you have quite the God complex.
            -THIS ARTICLE AND DISCUSSION IS ABOUT BIRTH CONTROL.
            -Christian Mythology about Christmas READ AS: They took the time of year from the solstice and Saturnalia to entice Pagans and Romans to convert. The EXACT 25th date from the Babylonians (who believed the son of the QUEEN of heaven was born that day) to convert them. Jesus was actually born in summer.
            -Subconsciously project your control issues on me by accusing me of deciding people’s future for them. I simply want you to leave that decision to them (the preggo girl) and mind your own business. I do want to decide for them… you do.
            -Christian Mythology as proof a woman raped should have a baby disregarding completely that they could believe in something else or may NEVER want kids and have made that decision before said rape.
            -More quotes form the Bible used as proof
            -Understatement on Roman Catholic preechyness. I went to my great grandmother’s funeral and instead of respecting my deceased loved one, the jerk spent the entire funeral talking about how he doesn’t see the Saulnier family in church. Preechy isn’t the word for it. RUDE, controlling, presumptuous, and immature is the word for it. Imagine how offended you would be if I was at your relatives funeral and got up to speak and spoke of the things on this thread and my thoughts on your belief. It’s the fact that most of your actions, when they’re reversed onto you by another belief, cause SUCH outrage. Do not dish it out if you cannot take it. Do not expect others to be tolerant of your beliefs if you are not tolerant of theirs.
            -Guilt trip about what the world thinks of me and what my mom and non-existent daughter think. This is horrible. My only request: Please do not raise your children to think that what the world thinks of them should have ANY effect on them. This causes horrible self-esteem in children. That’s what I was taught when I was young. I was then labeled as a slut @ 15 by my HS peers (when I was still a virgin) and after 4 years of that label coupled with the horrible self-esteem from believing what other people say/think matters (ie. if you don’t want your daughter to be me make sure she knows she is amazing no matter what not because some people believe she isn’t a slut. and no amount of petty name calling can change that)
            -Proves religion is a fallacy by admitting it was just taken from other religions
            -Pushes religion again with various quotes. For the Last fucking time. I do not follow you religion. It is rude to continue to push it on me. I think a lot of the things you and your religion do are wrong and lead to unhappiness but I only call you out on the things you do to other people. I RESPECT YOUR BELIEF.
            -Slut-shames sister
            -Spoiler on a Dr. Who episode I haven’t seen yet (I just finally started watching it)
            -ANOTHER example of your controlling nature… the classic “I’m sorry but” nothing says mental manipulation like that line

            The difference between us is, you expect people to change for your God (Read as :you) I love them as they are, no matter where they are in their self discovery process. You think it is your right to push your beliefs on people. I think my beliefs are sacred to me, and what makes them so important is that I came to them on my own and was not brainwashed, guilt, or forced into them, that’s how I know they’re truly what I believe and NOTHING can change that… especially a God that thinks people are wrong for using the C word, showing their natural body, or loving a different person than said God wants. Quite frankly, if it turns out you’re right and I go to hell for the way I live my life… I will gladly accept that fate. If there is a heaven, I don’t want anything to do with it if I can’t get in exactly as I am now. Because I’m who I want to be and love to be. What you think of that really doesn’t matter.

            You cannot change someone’s mind as faithful to their beliefs as you or I are. You try to change my BELIEFS. I only try to make you open your eyes enough to accept and more importantly respect other people’s beliefs as they would yours. You believe it’s wrong to swear and have pictures showing skin. I believe it’s just as wrong to push your beliefs on someone who has refused, or anyone who didn’t specifically ASK you to explain your beliefs with the curiosity of join them. I know it goes against your beliefs to not do this (as it goes against everyone else’s rights to continue doing it) I’ll think about the swearing if you think long and hard about why you so desperately think people’s life has less meaning if they choose to live it differently from you. I’m serious I may not know as much about religion but I know A LOT about psychology and those are definitely controlling traits. Don’t take it as an insult, like I said some people are just at different points of self-discovery it does not make them good or bad. I’m too loud and have people pleasing/Doormat issues. Either way, no I will not promise to consider dropping things that make me who I am, just as I do not expect you to drop something you hold dear simply because I requested it or because I think you’ll be happier. Stop debating over people and start debating ideas… or stop debating all together.

            I can turn my swearing on and off so it’s not an issue, and I wonder why you let words shape your opinions of someone so much. Who cares if I say fuck shit or sex and #2… it means the same thing. I don’t waste my time being offended by such trivial things… same applies to those pics. I never see a healthy body image as a bad thing, nor will I ever be ashamed to show it. Honestly, as long as it isn’t hurting or taking advantage of someone else NOTHING offends me. A lot of my friends actively try to all the time. So I give you

            My concession: you can have the last word (seriously though, I NEVER concede that :P), because as I said… when someone cannot see past who I am to discuss IDEAS rather than how I live my life, it’s just not worth my time.

          • http://www.facebook.com/mike.dellavecchia.3 Mike DellaVecchia

            Surprise! I’m back. You know, I made a mental note to reply to your posts from way back in December, but I had a great many things to take care of and I could not even remember your screen name in order to search for these posts. So, what I been doing?

            I have been fixing up my house. Working hard. Feeding the poor. You approve of those things, right?

            Oh, wait, I also have to confess to performing some behaviors that you find very controversial and which threaten your mindset, and which you attack all the time: Taking care of my five children. Having a wonderful Christmas. Going to church. I even adopted another child. Oh, didn’t you accuse me of never having the morality to adopt a child? And were you not hypocritical enough to say that I ought not to criticize you because I don’t know you? And yet you said I would not be willing to adopt, and yet I am! I guess your logic didn’t pan out.

            See, I finally read your last two comments. You love the straw-man rhetoric—you know, that verbal means of distorting or oversimplifying your opponent’s position so that it can be refuted? You accuse me of slut-shaming and forcing my religion on you.

            Well, all I did was suggest you read the Bible, and try to enlighten you to the error of your ways. I didn’t even force you to read my posts. I guess you forced yourself.

            As for slut-shaming, you shame yourself. You see, nobody here actually agrees with you about your defition of “slut” and your outrage about it; you are on a Catholic Web site, trying to *force* your beliefs on everybody here. You received criticism and disagreement. Your outrage is unsound because you are accusing me of doing the very thing that you set out to do.

            Really, what do you actually do all day long that would help you to influence us Catholics to see the error of our ways? You rant—professedly so. Yes, actually I have witnessed this on your Twitter page, because your link is placed at the bottom of the notification about your comments. You also say that you have a lot of sex and that you strip—or used to strip, or something like that. By comparison—although your writing about your way of life doesn’t say the same about you, we help the poor. We adopt children. We refuse to kill human life in the womb. And like it or not, although sex offenders have malingered in our church, and some wars and bloodshed and inquisitions have been caused by us, we have managed to survive quite strong for thousands of years, while decadent civilizations never do. In the process, we have helped and inspired a great many more people than you give us credit for. Our writing and traditions will continue to influence and inspire, while principles of less merit, virtue, and discipline, all tend to get consumed. We see bad regimes fall all the time, don’t we, and they all started out with the idea that whatever popped out of the human brain—brains like yours or mine—was worthy of starting an entire culture around. You see, it is not because we are evil preachy hypocrites that we survive as a church; it is because of our goodness. Oh, you don’t buy that? Well, that would be because you don’t regard the Bible as the Word of God, or the Apostolic Tradition as being ordained by God. Well, we do. So then why are you on a Catholic Web site attempting to convince Catholics that they are wrong by referring to your own values, rather than how we violate our own values and are hypocrites? I think it is because you can’t.

            And yet here you are preaching about how great your idea of “freedom” is, which you implore us to believe protects a woman’s rights. You use reductio ad absurdum to ridicule opposing viewpoints. You rave a lot and your paragraphs always come down to the same conclusion: we are in error but you are not because you are the only person in a sea of backwards stuffed shirts who is worldly enough to defend a woman’s right to choose.

            You are upset that you believe we cannot see your idea of the sovereignty of the “self,” of the “individual.” Well, we do get your point. We just don’t disagree. God comes first.

            But you don’t stop there. You try to call us out on our hypocrisy—our alleged attempt to hold ourselves as being better than people who preach feminism, who are “pro-choice” (when they are really pro-abortion), and the majesty of freedom of choice.

            But we actually do believe in the sovereignty of the self. We differ from you, because we call it “free will.” We believe that your way of life is not free because you cannot see past yourself. Your idea of “higher power” is an illusion, we realize, because that “higher power” is only your selfishness pretending to be God (or one of your gods); I am sure that you actually believe that this almighty being to which you say you subscribe receives no praise or tribute, other than the pleasures you allow yourself (not to say that you, in order to live your philosophy or religion or whatever you call it requires tribute or any practice or tradition in order for you to follow it purely). But if there were no United States, and you were living in a state of anarchy, you would probably abandon your oath of individuality by adopting the ways, tribalisms, or ethos of a group in order to survive. Do you really think that the Tara Way would get you by in a world where there were no laws or government? Everybody has to serve somebody, I guess. We, as Catholics, realize that there is more to life than the United States—God, to be precise. That’s our point of view. Not yours. We realize that. I presume I should wipe the dust from my feet and move on. (Oops, I just quoted Matthew 10:14!)

            Incidently, thank you for pointing out to me that I don’t know how the Internet works. You are certainly an expert on the Internet. I hope I one day get to be as accomplished as you are. Then I will be able to spend voluminous amounts of my time on the computer. I can hardly wait.

            You have to understand that we believe that what you are supporting is disgusting. What I am coming to realize is that you spend a great deal of your time issuing these views online rather than partaking in the act of charity—which although I am not criticizing you for (because doing so would not even help)—is another reason why you are different from us, and represents what I find to be the most offensive about you. If you had a clue what selflessness and charity are like, you would not act like you do, and no, there is no chance—not even one iota—that you could ever convvince me in your current state that you are a charitable selfless person in any meaningful way. Yes, like it or not, we are going to tell you that your choice for how you live your life is offensive.

            We are also free to say that Sandra Fluke behaves like a whore. That’s just too bad if it makes your blood boil. This is our site, not yours. We might also go on your site and say so. But you would welcome our doing that, and it would only encourage you to engage in further bad rhetoric.

            It is also too bad for you that we want to create anti-abortion legislation and that because you oppose our wanting that, you disdain our saying that you are pro-abortion. If you were pro-choice, you would not oppose our right to create anti-abortion legislation. And as a matter of fact, it is too bad if you don’t like that we don’t agree with your idea of “free rights” for women. You say you never had an abortion. If you had one, you would realize that you just destroyed your freedom of choice—in addition to killing a human being.

            As far as my getting a tax break because I am married with kids, that is also too bad. If you really think that tax breaks amount to the respect that this nation should give a family—rather than the mockery and disenfranchisement that we are increasingly experiencing, along with our being deprived from most of the levity and inclusion that we once experienced when we were “free” (like you), you are kidding yourself. The difference between us and you appears to be that you think that we think we deserve these tax breaks. Sorry, but they just are as they are, just like our dwindling sense of honor in the eyes of people who believe that we are full of baloney for our so-called preachy-ness. Sorry, but if you became a parent, you would know that you are of higher honor than people who only act on their own behalf. This isn’t preaching. These are words of the highest social value coming from a parent—yes, mostly because I just happen to be one. If you become a mother, then you will not accept somebody denigrating you as “mom” merely for voicing your opinion about how they could live their lives better as you do when you derisively call me “dad” with your reductio ad hominem rhetoric (just because I am Catholic and a father and opinionated, I surely am trying to trample on your rights). But you are getting your tubes tied. So therefore you’ll never understand what you are disagreeing with or be able to actually use our own logic to prove us wrong. Again, it’s too bad that we feel this way. You are out of your league here, Tara.

            As for your holding the torch for freedom, and defending people’s rights to say whatever they like, I would not presume to think that you are Evelyn Beatrice Hall. She said, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” You are far beneath her writing. If you want to be taken seriously as a woman writer, you had better learn how to write and argue effectively. Or else, you will influence nobody except for the people in your own enclave. You have convinced none of these Catholics that they are wrong. It isn’t about logic and facts, anyway. It’s about faith in our beliefs. You don’t understand that. Getting us to feel stupid and catching us in what you consider to be lies and contradictions is not going to turn us away from our beliefs and our church. It doesn’t work that way. If you really want to influence a Catholic, then become religious, a parent, a caregiver, an almsgiver. I am sorry, but they are really the only people we pay attention to. And if you became such a person, you would not be calling yourself a “slut” or behaving the way that you do (yes, I am referring to your verbal profanities and your sexual imagery). And it’s too bad. Keep ranting. We don’t care.

            And insofar as Christianity stealing from other religions (eg, Christmas deriving from Saturnalia and virgin worship), you are absolutely right. We did “steal” that stuff. We admit that we have no clue when Christ was born (and neither do you). But the Catholic church does not partake in the vast festivities that you think we stole. We worship on Christmas. We venerate the Virgin Mary. We do all that because we were taught to see the world as a source of faith rather than doubt. You have now tried to make us doubt that what the world has helped bring us—feasts and veneration of a virgin (which was also paralleled in the pagan Roman vestal virgins) is a source of belief. But if you understood our history and doctrine, or read or listened to anything other than what your culture teaches you, you would grasp that we believe that Christ redeemed the meaning of all of those things you say our church stole in order to build our Church and its traditions. For that matter, December 25 is just a date that we chose. Sorry, but the Vatican already says so. Wrong again, Miss Tara.

            When you get your tubes tied, and you get to have all the sex that you want without getting pregnant, and then later you find out how unkind the world is toward women when they age, you will probably want to believe that there is more to life than just your body and your intellect. But then again, that’s just our belief—in God and Jesus Christ, and our having less faith in a world that is not saved by Jesus Christ. And it’s too bad for you that we do. I am sure that when you are my age you will look deeper into religion or maybe just philosophy and will order your life with rituals or the morals you famous claim to fatuously eschew, but you will probably have too much pride to admit to yourself that you are becoming so. Oh, I guess I am insulting and “slut-shaming” you again because I am applying my own experience to you. Could it be that I am an older more mature person, who just happens to be a Catholic father and husband—who is advising you. And it’s too bad that I just advised you. If you don’t like it, stop reading. It’s just too bad.

            And yes, you are shaming yourself.

            Is it possible that you could find something better to do with your spare time than spend that time blogging on the Internet? It is mind-boggling how much life you have missed between the last time we communicated when I look at your Twitter page. There must be an encyclopedia’s worth of stuff that you put on there over two months. All dedicated to you and your ideas. Well, I guess that’s too bad for all of us.

            You are in my prayers. And that’s too bad, too.

        • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

          I do not degrade myself. The Ranting Slut name was given to me during a debate with a girl who insisted that I was damned to hell for being a stripper, all the while not remembering I knew her in HS where she slept around and did more drugs then I’ve ever seen and I never mentioned it through the whole thing. I liked how it pointed out the stupidity of the whole idea of calling a girl a slut. So, it stuck.

          Now, let me say, hello my name is Tara Eve Saulnier and I live in Berkshire county Massachusetts, originally from NH. Thank you for the explanation, but I know how the internet works. Let’s go into my real life you think I’m so afraid to show for a moment…

          In the real world, I’m a retired stripper turned paralegal for the work side. In my free time I influence more people then you could ever dream to. I help run many support groups for Adult Children of Alcoholics. I volunteer at other local charities and fundraisers whenever possible. I’m the person in town everybody likes. I’m the person who will hold open a door for everyone and say please and thank you no matter what. I’m the person who will pull over for any stranded motorist and make a point to always go out of my way to do anything that will make someone smile as long as I have the time, and I was just invited last week to get into a compassion in education movement through Tedx seminar. I’m the type of person who could be sitting right next to you in church (if I went) and it would never even occur to you to turn and say “you are an ugly person you slut”

          The point is I prove the stereotypes aren’t right ever, and you’re cheating yourself if you subscribe to them in any way. I’m a hippie, buddhist, reiki practicing, LARPing (google it), video game nerd, retired stripper, political activist, internet geek.

          Thank you for helping me prove that point <3 namaste

  • Colleen

    I stopped reading Time when the “Man of the Year” was the PC! A MACHINE beat out the then 4-5 BILLION humans on the planet… I assume the planet got the title long after I stopped caring about what TIME had to say about ANYTHING.

    • Basset_Hound

      They sold Newsweek for $1 recently. Maybe Time will suffer the same fate.

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  • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

    As a women you does not plan to ever have children, I sure hope you are paying big bucks out of pocket to send your kids to private school since you are so against government hand-outs (like PUBLIC SCHOOLING). Otherwise you’re a HUGE hypocrite as I’m sure your kid’s schooling and the tax write offs you receive for your kids for 18+ years, not to mention that maternity leave the government ensures you make my monthly nuva ring cost look like candy money.

    • DellaVecchia

      Public schools are provided by the huge amount of SCHOOL TAXES that homeowners pay. It is not a “government handout.” It is not free. It is the government giving back in a service what ordinary people pay in taxes. Maternity leave is mandatory, but it is not the government that pays for it. The government passed laws in that regard, and the private sector sucks it up and pays for it.

      I hope that you follow through with your vow to yourself never to have children. I would not want to be a child of yours who grows up learning that her mom was a card-carrrying slut.

      • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

        Uh, huh… I see your writing and I still read as: a bunch of fancy words for free things you feel entitled to from your government. The government gives more back to parents then any other group in the US. Well, it’s ok for the non-parents (and fast growing group in the US) to request things for their needs as well.

        As for maternity leave, oh you mean the govt. made a law requiring insurance to cover maternity leave, just like it’s made a law requiring insurance cover BC? And the government made a law requiring employers give maternity leave, just like it made a law requiring employers provide insurance. I can’t object to an employee taking maternity leave just because I don’t like kids… (and I wouldn’t because I’m not a jerk just making a point) because that would be me forcing my will and beliefs on the mother and abusing my power as an employer. Just like whether or not I’m using my insurance to provide contraception is none of your business or choice to make.

        Also, The name is actually a statement against slut-shaming and how it’s childish and stupid and in this day and age we should grow up and stop doing it. So thank you for proving that point :) Drop the petty judgement, you’ll live a happier fuller life <3

        • DellaVecchia

          Just so you know, my wife wrote the above comment, forgetting that she was signed in as me. I know that when she called you a “card-carrying slut,” she meant for you to ponder how your child would like growing up knowing that his/her mom refers to herself, and pictures herself online as a slut. Like it or not, you have been stigmatizing yourself with this persona, no matter how clever you think you are being by trying to use this term ironically. You don’t end up influencing your audience because people don’t want to believe they are conversing or giving time to person who appears to dislike, disparage, or abuse herself.

          I want to make one thing clear to disagree with you about taxation and parenting. The government pays very little back to parents in return for what it takes away. The tax money that gets stapled onto our purchases of baby gear, prenatal vitamins, pediatric pharmaceuticals, toys, Chucky Cheese, pre-school, child seats, etc. is staggering. We are a massive demographic—which your friends hope will become smaller, of course. Just imagine what would happen to the economy and your own lifestyle if we were injured or lessened in our buying power? Goodbye gross-national product. Goodbye Christmastime revenue. Hello, surplus cheese and welfare.
          As far as paying for contraception, well, this did not become a big mess until Obama and Sebellius decided to make it mandatory that religious organizations pay for birth control and abortion. Oh, let’s not mince words here. That’s exactly what happened. And there is no loophole for us. We are being forced to eat a merger of church and state—one that serves your friends, and not us. We got fooled into believing that America protected religious freedom ever since the “pilgrims” came into prominence. And we have no due process because the AHA is a start for the dismantling of the U.S. Constitution, as well.
          Do I think that many capitalists don’t treat pregnant women fairly? No—I think that *most* capitalists don’t treat them fairly. I think it’s disgusting. But the Catholic church is not a capitalist organization, is it? Well, the answer is not socialism. The answer is what a Catholic writer named G.K. Chesterton called “distributism.” Distributism means creating *more* capitalism, rather than less capitalism. Less capitalism means monopoly, strip malls, Microsoft, Wall-Mart, Burger King. More capitalism means freer competitive markets, mom & pop stores, all sorts of computer companies rather than just two big ones, tons of convenience stores and restaurants. This is virtuous.
          Is this slut-shaming and judging? I don’t think so. I am talking to you as if you are a rational adult. Do you have a problem with that? Or would you like to go chattering off like you do when you seize the opportunity to accuse somebody of calling you a slu?. Is that the only thing you do in large format with words?

          • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

            I’m done addressing the slut-shaming with you (yes, when you do not call me a slut but discuss how ashamed I should be of naked pictures and what my mom will think or my kids it is STILL SHAMING.) and I’m done hearing your justification for why you deserve hand-outs and are entitled to extra but anyone who lives differently or believes differently from you doesn’t. The absurdity that you will bring up that as a parent you HAVE to pay taxes on your kids chuck e cheese birthday party when I’m only asking that my rights be protected under HIPPA just like everyone else, and my health insurance cover my prescription. WE ALL PAY TAXES ON OPTIONAL PURCHASES. You simply get a few grand extra back because you chose the lifestyle of having children. put your rocks down because you are living in a glass house of government benefits that us childfree people will never see.

            Don’t get mad at my entitlement until you learn to drop yours!

            Here is the point you really just do not seem to grasp. you keep touting your freedom of religion. Have any of you even ever heard of HIPPA? Just as serious as everyone’s religious rights are protected… everyone’s health care privacy is protected. The government asked employers to pay for insurance. What that insurance covers is none of that employers business.

            here… let me get it out enough times for the rest of the comments because it really isn’t sinking in.

            The government asked employers to pay for insurance. What that insurance covers is none of that employers business.

            The government asked employers to pay for insurance. What that insurance covers is none of that employers business.

            The government asked employers to pay for insurance. What that insurance covers is none of that employers business.

            The government asked employers to pay for insurance. What that insurance covers is none of that employers business.

            The government asked employers to pay for insurance. What that insurance covers is none of that employers business.

            as I asked before, if that’s how you think it works would you be willing to sign a power of attorney to your employees so they can make your health care decisions as well? that is just not how it works. You have no rights at all to know what that insurance is being used for. Your religious rights end at my right to privacy.

            You have no rights to know what your employees use their insurance for. that’s it… there is no reasoning past that. HIPPA legally says what I use my insurance for is none of my bosses business. GAME……OVER

  • Emer McCarthy

    Spot on.. Am in Ireland and am mystified that someone would choose a Catholic college and then expect them to pay for her birth control… idiocy, lunacy whatever you call it, nonsensical

  • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

    I’m totally not getting into that. Please please please enough already with linking articles and using them as proof. Your articles are not studies and really… cbs news? really? Here let me find a fox news link and we’ll see which one has more lies lol.

    I only had 5 mins before work and haven’t checked this yet, but here’s what a study looks like http://www.aauw.org/GraduatetoaPayGap/index.cfm

    • http://www.facebook.com/jays.roden Roden Jay

      Kit there is something very easy close your legs women LEARN TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY for your actions. I teach my girls that and they think if just funny how this lady wants us to pay for her actions. I am sorry if a person commits a crime and kills someone I have to bail him out??? This whole entitlement is gotten way out of control. LEARN TO CLOSE YOUR LEGS.

      • http://twitter.com/TheRantingSlut Kit Love

        Birth control does not kill anyone. You are thinking abortion which is not part of this article. So, it’s okay for the government to pay for YOUR actions of having kids? Just because the government hand outs you take for your kid’s schooling and tax breaks for having children are long accepted by society does not make them any less of a hand out. Pretty hypocritical to think someone else shouldn’t get help when people with kids get more help then anyone in the US.