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In defense of Steven Crowder’s abstinence advocacy

Last week, recently married conservative pundit and comedian Steven Crowder made waves with an excellent opinion piece on the rightness of saving sex for marriage. Naturally, the piece has sparked lots and lots of indignation, much of it quite vulgar and generally hazardous to brain cells.

Cutting through the haze of hysterics, two basic objections emerge. Neither holds water.

First, Crowder stands accused of insulting those with a more casual view of sex. But read the offending passage:

Feeling judged? I couldn’t care less. You know why? Because my wife and I were judged all throughout our relationship. People laughed, scoffed and poked fun at the young, celibate, naive Christian couple.

We’d certainly never make it to the wedding without schtupping, and if we did, our “wedding night would be awkward and terrible,” they said.

Turns out that people couldn’t have been more wrong.  Looking back, I think that the women saying those things felt like the floozies they ultimately were, and the men, with their fickle manhood tied to their pathetic sexual conquests, felt threatened.

Of course, rhetoric like “floozies” and “fickle manhood” may rub some the wrong way. Fair enough. But it’s obvious whom Crowder’s referring to: not merely anyone who’s ever had sex out of wedlock, but specifically those whose sexual mores are so twisted that they mock abstinent couples and arrogantly predict “awkward and terrible” wedding nights for them. And his guess at what’s really bothering those critics strikes me as a pretty good one – people typically don’t want to think of their vices as vices, so they assume that everyone else indulges in them just as much.

Second, it’s a major no-no to posit a “right” or “wrong” approach to anyone’s sex life, because in 21st-century America, the only real sin is being “judgmental.” But it’s hard not to conclude that Crowder’s on to something as he contrasts his wedding with another bride who, the very morning after, complained that “nothing’s really changed.” Think about that – your wedding doesn’t change anything? It does if you do it right:

Then I realized something. Our wedding was truly a once in a lifetime event. It was a God’s-honest celebration of two completely separate lives now becoming one. Physically, emotionally, financially and spiritually, everything that made us who we were individually was becoming what bonded us together. Our family traveled from far and wide to celebrate the decision of two young people to truly commit themselves to each other, and selflessly give themselves to one another in a way that they never had before that very night.

Crowder believes that saving sex for marriage is what God wanted for his life, and people are free to disregard his advice, but there’s nothing wrong with his sharing that belief. And with humor and heart, Crowder illustrated how there are real benefits behind that belief, and how disregarding it throws away something priceless.

The cool kids can have their fun browbeating Mr. and Mrs. Crowder for not going with the flow, but it takes real guts to subject yourself to slings and arrows for the sake of values your society has left behind.

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  • http://bluecollarliving.com/ James Dibben

    Next month my wife and I will celebrate our 22nd wedding anniversary.

    The single greatest decision we have made in 22+ years was our decision to remain celibate till our wedding night.

    We had a lot of support during the year up till our wedding night. Young kids now do not have any where near as much support.

    Our society has lost a lot of respect for the connection which is created from sexual intimacy.

    The greatest advantage we have gained from our decision is I can now encourage all 4 of my daughters to do the same, and I am not asking them to do anything their mother and I did not do as an example.

    It may seem strange but one of the reasons we remained celibate was so we could encourage our children to do so, and we would not feel hypocritical in doing so.

    At eighteen and nineteen we were mature beyond our years.

    • HappyLady

      How do you know that you would’ve been any less happier had you not waited? You do not have the personal data and never could have it. (same goes the other way, of course) Though I remained abstinent (and, by the way, I married when we were both *22*, does that mean I get to flaunt my arrogant satisfaction over holding it in longer than you did?) I know several who had children out of wedlock but stayed with their partner long after the baby was born and eventually got married. Their relationships have stayed strong over 8 years with no signs of infidelity and look to be strong enough to continue as far into the future as I’m sure my marriage will. They have the same “connection” as I do with my husband – they just made theirs earlier and made the best out of it.

      • http://bluecollarliving.com/ James Dibben

        Thank you for addressing my comment so politely; I hope to do the same.

        First, I think Steven should have avoided some name calling. It was unnecessary.

        Second, God’s unconditional forgiveness goes above and beyond anything we can ever do against His laws. Risky behavior still can carry consequences. God’s forgiveness doesn’t always erase those.

        I also have very close friends who got pregnant during high school. They are still together over 20 years later and have two amazing daughters, and their personal stories are an encouragement to many.

        God’s grace was so much bigger than their mistakes at a young age. They moved forward in that grace and are leaving a fantastic legacy in spite of those mistakes.

        What advice have they given to their two beautiful daughters?

        “Wait till you get married at all costs! We took the hard road and we don’t wish that one anyone!”

        See, the problem with saying it’s okay without marriage is we get a blurry line. It’s a line that just moves around and we get an increase in teen pregnancy. We also end up with an increase in abortion because let’s be honest. We can’t even get our kids to get out of bed and get to school on time. Why we think they can also manage birth control and a sex life is foolishness.

        It amazes me that liberals talk about how no one likes abortion, yet they are unwilling to encourage a lifestyle which encourages avoiding sex at ridiculously young ages. Their messages and actions do not line up at all.

        “We don’t like abortion either. Please have all the sex you want and get an abortion if you happen to get pregnant and aren’t ready.”

        I love my daughters and will encourage them to wait till marriage because that is the best plan. If they don’t, I will be there for them 100% no matter what happens. That’s what a good father does. That’s what my heavenly Father does for me when I mess up.

    • Oniro_70

      James, I’m glad you have a great marriage and I can tell you really love her….but you got married at 18/19? No offense… but do you REALLY think you would have remained celibate if you had not met your wife or someone to marry till say 35? I would not expect anyone to torture themselves for decades with celibacy because they weren’t as lucky as you.

      And I was a fundamentalist Christian. I observed MANY young people who got married…to have sex. Some worked out like you did, many others did not. One size does not fit all in this.

      I also didn’t appreciate the judgmental Christians who imply something is “wrong” or you don’t “pray enough” because you are single in your 20s-30s. “God has a plan” coming from a minister married 18-22 doesn’t sound very convincing. The married Christians rarely socialize with the unmarrieds….and asking “why arent you married” is just putting an embarrassing spotlight on the singles.

      There’s tons of science and research about the need for sex and intimacy. I can’t imagine any loving god torturing people with celibacy.

      Just my 2 cents…and just to save time, you really dont have to witness or tell me about God.

      • http://bluecollarliving.com/ James Dibben

        I don’t expect those outside of the Christian faith to hold fast to these kinds of lifestyle choices.

        I don’t know how well I would have done into my mid thirties. I had no desire to wait that long to get married so it wasn’t likely to ever be an issue.

        I certainly wouldn’t consider celibacy to be torture. I can hardly think of a greater misuse of the word. I wonder how many other cultures would laugh at the way Americans use that word.

        Thank you for taking the time to address my comments and sharing your thoughts on the subject.

  • Detroiter327

    You missed a few things. You missed when he classified all women who live with their significant other before marriage as immoral prostitutes, which is the definition of a harlot. You missed when he referred to his way as the “right” way, implying that all other ways are wrong. He may have felt judged when people referred to him as naive, does that give him carte blanche to throw around thinly veiled derogatory terms for anyone who disagrees with him? Its quite odd to blanket everyone that disagrees with such a personal view as promiscuous, loose, and dumb .Personally I treat others as I would like to be treated. Its nice to know he could stop gazing into his wife’s eyes long enough to pen a thinly veiled brag about his sex life and simultaneously find out how many cheeky ways he could dress up the word slut. I wish the author all the joy and happiness my live in sin boyfriend have experienced, as that is a pretty high standard to be met.
    PS Whatever happened to your rant on abortion websites talking only about abortion? I would classify this as more of a “lifestyle” piece.

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      “he classified all women who live with their significant other before marriage as immoral prostitutes”

      The quote Detroiter’s referring to: “whether you should just give in, become a live-in harlot/mimbo and do it the world’s way.” Sounds like a pretty clear callback to the types of jerks he refers to earlier, and urging people not to give in to their sneering judgmentalism.

      “You missed when he referred to his way as the ‘right’ way, implying that all other ways are wrong.”

      Missed it? Jeez, did you even read my post?

      “Whatever happened to your rant on abortion websites talking only about abortion? I would classify this as more of a ‘lifestyle’ piece.”

      There are links between people’s views of sexuality and of abortion, and the two issues are generally understood to be of interest to the same audiences. As long as pro-aborts are spouting their sexual ethos to people, leading to more unintended pregnancy and more abortion, we’ll be there to counter it.

      Besides, you’re misremembering (or distorting) my original point, which wasn’t that pro-life sites should never talk about anything other than abortion, but that it’s disingenuous to criticize them for having a particular focus that doesn’t include utterly-unrelated issues (which rest on different principles and considerations).

      • Detroiter327

        You wrote one sentence addressing how he characterized many peoples marriages and relationships (not their views) as wrong, I wouldnt call that comprehensively addressing the issue. Again, even your response ignores the very pot calling the kettle black nature of his opinion piece. The piece might as well have been titled When you feel mad someone has judged you, judge back and call them a whore. What did the bible say about turning the other cheek? Fascinating how someone can brag about their “God honest” lifestyle and completely disregard many of the bibles teachings all in one piece. PS Love your comment to @twitter-225047858:disqus! I want to make you a bumper sticker. It will read “When you cant attack the substance. Attack the person.” Enjoy your weekend.

        • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

          It’s fascinating how such a stickler for accuracy like you so quickly jumps to tired old misunderstandings of Christian teaching. Here’s some help to get you started:

          http://thinkinginchrist.com/2011/04/18/misunderstanding-turning-the-other-cheek/
          http://www.mybrokenfiat.com/1/post/2012/6/judge-not-or-ye-shall-be-judged.html

          Bottom line: morality is something people have strong opinions on. Some of don’t think concepts of “right and wrong” are obsolete, and have the audacity to say so. You can either accept that reality like an adult, or you can choose to promote the most malicious, out-of-context interpretation of Crowder’s terminology, all the while ignoring the hypocrisy he’s so clearly illustrated and provoked from his critics. Up to you.

          • Detroiter327

            I fail to see how using the dictionary definition of a word is quoting it out of context. Even from a biblical view harlots are prostitutes. You refer to the dictionary in several of your articles, and use it to argue your points. I guess your argument would make sense in a universe where you were the only one allowed to use the dictionary to substantiate an argument. I feel the only hypocrite that was exposed was the author himself. Again its quite interesting he complains so frequently about the judgement he was subjected to, and then freely passes judgement on a large portion of the country.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            Yeah, “using the dictionary definition” is what I was referring to by “out of context.” Right. Sure.

          • Pwnage

            Calvin has been PWNED!

          • http://lifesitenews.com/ Rachel

            When a person has done wrong, their first defense is to paint themselves “victim”. This story is not an attack on someone, it is an attack on a sin. The Truth remains that fornication is a sin. Those of us who chose to sin would do best to admit, repent and confess. It’s a hard little pill to swallow – this thing called pride. Once we have humbly asked forgiveness, the Truth becomes very clear. Temptation comes in very attractive packages,
            and especially for the purpose of destroying one of God’s most precious gifts, the love between a man and a woman. When we have come to accept the Truth, it is much easier to read stories like Steven Crowder’s,
            with admiration, and wish these newlyweds the best.

          • Detroiter327

            Im sorry you cannot see that the author uses his platform to critique and ridicule a specific newlywed couple, and also chides the relationships of most Americans. Lastly, how are you so confident you can define the right way to love? My boyfriend and I are very in love with each other, even if you define that love as a sin. Do I have pride in my relationship? Of course. I have never been happier in my whole life. Its sad that you can only celebrate love when it is done your own way, and have to classify the rest of us as sinners.

          • http://lifesitenews.com/ Rachel

            I am not defining your love as a sin. Your sexual relationship is a sin. I am “confident” in God’s definition (not mine) of “the right way”. I’m very happy to hear that you and your boyfriend are in love, but love done God’s way is sacrifice. “Most Americans” have either forgotten or have never known that. With love, I recommend you read one of the books inspired by JPII’s Theology of the Body (Christopher West or Jason Evert) or maybe Sex Au Naturel by Patrick Coffin. I think you’ll come to understand that our stance is God’s, and it’s not meant to hurt or ridicule you, but to bring you to the Truth. The fact that you are on this page tells me you are a Truth seeker. I will pray that you find Him.

  • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Astraspider

    At least the LiveAction writers have earnest sexual provincialism to lean on. Crowder’s piece is just a vanity project. I’m glad he felt like his wedding night was special. But he’s got no standing to argue it was more special than someone who co-habitated before marriage like, well, like me: 14 years happily involved, 7 years happily married, and no one is going to tell me those first 7 years were a “vice”.

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      “Vanity project”….because your judgment of what constitutes substantive argument is held in such high esteem around these parts…….

      • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Astraspider

        He’s a comedian. While I truly value comedians’ role in our society, and sometimes they have “substantive arguments” (think Carlin, Hicks, Colbert), they’re rarely worth looking to for important political meaning. And Mr. Crowder doesn’t even pass the funny test, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUybMMYmpxo so it’s doubtful many people will get to the next step, looking for “substance”.

        • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

          Carlin and Colbert substantive?

          I rest my case.

          • http://twitter.com/Astraspider Astraspider

            Your content-free snarkiness isn’t a “case”. But here’s theirs:

  • Rebecca

    Here’s a question? Why were his friends making fun of him for it? More specifically, how did their friends know that they were waiting until marriage? Why did the topic come up so often that they’d be teased for it *repeatedly.* There’s no reason for their personal sex life to be such common and oft-repeated public knowledge that people even *have* such opportunity to tease them so much.

    For their friends and family to know about this, they must have made it public knowledge.

    For it to have a topic that they got teased for often, they must have brought it up *often.*

    We already know, from the tone of the article, that he’s an arrogant jerk who likes to rub people’s faces in “I’m right, you’re wrong,” so what do we think the chances are that when he brought up his celibacy, repeatedly, it was done in a moderate, respectful way?

    I’m guessing, slim. I’m guessing that he got teased because he was repeatedly rubbing people’s faces in “I’m righteously doing the righteous thing because I’m so awesomely righteous–unlike you.”

    Mature adults don’t mock people for virginity. If it comes up at all, it’s usually shrugged off as no big deal. So why are his friends and family so different?

    Either they were responding to some kind of similar mocking from him (which I find likely because of how arrogantly mocking the article itself is) or he’s hanging out with some seriously immature friends who never grew emotionally beyond middle-school. In which case, well… “Tell me who your friends are, and I’ll tell you who you are.”

    • ThinkingConservative

      Agreed! Unfortunately he and his little gal were blind to the reality they were in…. oh so busy proclaiming and flaunting their most private life issues in public so as to fulfill some mis-guided need to be good “witnesses” – that they were clueless as to the REAL reason people were poking fun at them. Toooooo funny.

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      Your comment assumes facts not in evidence. First, it’s really that hard for you to imagine people volunteering crass, arrogant judgments about someone else’s sex life, particularly if they know that person to be a professional social conservative commentator? And people say *we’re* the sheltered ones….You note that “mature adults don’t mock people for virginity.” Well, duh, that’s Crowder’s point – the people he’s talking about don’t sound very mature, do they?

      Second, you seem to invest a lot in meaning in the baseless supposition that these people are “his friends and family,” which you use to further smear him. Crowder doesn’t say they are, and there are any number of alternative possibilities: neighbors, coworkers, casual acquaintances, relatives (you can’t choose ‘em, after all), people they do business with, fellow members of community organizations…

      Such unsupported speculation sounds more arrogant than anything I read from Crowder.

  • ThinkingConservative

    To Detroiter327: I appreciate your insights. You are experiencing the reality that they think they have. Ironic isn’t it? Anyways… Hang in there if you wish, but remember – they really are blind, mostly because they are one-dimensional. ;)

  • FriskyFeline

    Bravo if this works out for them! Quite frankly I would Never buy a car without test driving it, or a House without walking through it! HeII I’d never even buy a pair of jeans without trying them on! So to marry someone without “knowing” them completely, well that is just insane! Good for you if that is your choice but Do Not dam others for their choices! I know of several couples that were each others “First & Only”, all have strayed at some point. Curiosity killed the cat, maybe it’s best to play with kitty a little bit first!

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      If your conception of marriage is so sex-centric that the sex not being just right would single-handedly make or break it, you’ve pretty much proven Crowder’s point.

    • http://lifesitenews.com/ Rachel

      If you’re “test driving”, and your future bride is “test driving”… think about it.
      If you have a daughter or sister, should they invite all available men for a “walk through”?

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  • Andrew Gates

    Real guts? You do realize why the moron even wrote an article about it, don’t you? I don’t know, the “nobody knew about him”, now they do thing? So in a way, he’s no better than Snooki from the Jersey Shore.

    I’ve got no problem with him waiting until marriage, and to tell you the truth, I’m with the 90% of Americans who actually, believe it or not, don’t give a crap. Why he was so arrogant to actually think anyone cared that he waited until marriage enough to basically throw his Christian beliefs out the window and, well, let’s be honest… after America read the article and discussed amongst themselves, they came to the consensus that he’s always been a judgmental toolbag. But still, it’s a stretch to say anyone gives a crap. Oooh another judgemental Christian is running his mouth and setting back the cause of every real Christian out there helping homeless people, riding on buses for charities and doing that whole “golden rule” thing, which I am about 100% positive doesn’t involve calling people “floozies.” I will tell you what’s fickle though, and it’s the horribly selfish one taking pot shots from an “opinion piece”, saying anyone but himself is fickle and weak, having nothing to do with him waiting until marriage, it’s him playing the “High Horse Christian” card when I am DAMNED sure you can find quite a few people in the country who did the same exact thing, and managed to be positive, helpful, charitable and respectful along with it, which if you believe in what you preach, you know this is what God really wanted you to focus on down here… The whole “see the good in everyone” and “be a positive model of your Christianity through charity and grace.”

    Real guts. Please. Show me real guts when he’s not selfishly setting back the work of actual good people. Dance around it all you want with his ’50s-era face saving “fickle and floozies” because even in the ’50s, this type of poorly adjusted man was called an “asshole,” and there’s simply just no better word to have come along since. And that’s what it all comes down to.

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