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Just how low will abortion supporters stoop? xoJane has the answer.

The pro-abortion blog xoJane posted an article in early May (just days before Mother’s Day) entitled “It Happened to Us: Abortion.” In this article, S.E. Smith asks her readers to share their abortion stories. She also highlighted the experiences of several women through photos and signs. Just to give you an idea of the flavor of this article, the URL includes the words “abortion” and “fantastic.”

S.E. Smith

In words reminiscent of RH Reality Check’s Jessica DelBalzo, S.E. Smith of XOjane writes about her own abortion:

Even if it hadn’t been an ectopic pregnancy, if it had been a totally healthy pregnancy that wasn’t endangering my life, I would have gotten an abortion. I would get an abortion if I was pregnant today (which, wow, let me tell you, would be quite a feat).

I love abortion.

She also posted this photo of herself, smilingly affirming that “abortion is awesome.” After attempting to explain that abortion should be assigned no “moral value” and that it is a “medical procedure, pure and simple,” Smith continues:

So I’ll say it again: I had an abortion. I love abortions. I’m out and proud about having had an abortion and I wholeheartedly and unilaterally support everyone who has chosen to have an abortion, for whatever reason, at whatever time…

If I was pregnant TODAY, I would get an abortion. (Cats are enough, thank you.) (Less crying) (Self reliance) (Smaller poops)

So how low will abortion supporters stoop?  Obviously low enough to claim that the taking of another human life has no moral value and is merely a simple medical procedure. But Smith’s article goes even lower. She features this woman who equates babies to cats while stating that cats are better – for several reasons – including that they have “smaller poops.”

Abortion is almost never about the actual life of the mother vs. the life of the child.

Smith also has no problem with the in-your-face selfishness sometimes displayed by abortion supporters. She  features this woman who highlights the fact that she chose her own life instead of her baby’s. Now, if we were actually talking about a situation in which a woman would die if her baby were not removed from her body, well, yes, that woman has the right to choose her own life.

However, a woman in a situation like that would almost certainly not smile and look so confident and pleased with her choice. Most women in these type of situations mourn the loss of their children. While it is very inaccurate to claim that Karen Santorum had an abortion (she most certainly did not), an infection in her body caused her son Gabriel to be delivered to soon. He died, and she lived. The entire country knows that Karen Santorum mourns his loss to this day.

Abortion supporters are quick to point out that they have the right to choose their own “life” (read: career, perfect financial situation, interests, hobbies, preferences, desires, and convenience) over the life of an innocent child who never asked to exist in the first place. This is the height of selfishness.

I've never had an abortion...but knowing I could, after being on a plane with screaming infants, makes me happy! :)

Perhaps the lowest example from Smith’s article is this one. It reads: “I’ve never had an abortion…but knowing I could, after being on a plane with screaming infants, makes me happy! :)” Wow. So does this woman wish she could kill all those screaming infants on planes? Does she wish they had never been born? And why?  Simply because she doesn’t want to be “inconvenienced” for a few hours by the screams of a needy, tired, or scared infant?

Have we really come to the place where we value ourselves so much that we can’t bother to recognize the needs of those around us and have compassion on them in moments of weakness? Apparently this is exactly the place abortion supporters find themselves, and it’s a scary situation.

As a final point – no, for the vast majority of women who have had abortions, abortion did not “just happen” to them. If it “just happened” to them, then they must have had no choice in the matter, and one would assume that pro-choice advocates would speak out against this. Instead, women make the choice to kill their children through abortion. It does not “just happen” any more than Andrea Yates or Susan Smith ”just happened” to kill their children.

And for the women who believe they made an uninformed choice, abortion still did not “just happen.” As Abby Johnson wrote today, there is a wonderful place and forgiveness for all women who regret their abortions. I greatly admire women like her who take personal responsibility for their actions, mourn the loss of their children, and do all in their power to stop other women from making the tragic choice they themselves did.

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  • Cliff Jones

    Kristi,  Praise God for your powerful, insightful, and brave article about the horrors of someone who has a completely upside moral scale.  Smith obviously has no clue about the thousands of women who mourn their aborted, murdered children, who are devastated every year when that anniversary rolls around, who walk around depressed and sometimes suicidal or addicted to drugs as a direct result from an abortion, and for me as a man, who participated in an abortion event over thirty years ago, has no idea that men even have delayed feelings of guilt and remorse for knowing that they have paid for the murder of their unborn child and did nothing to fight for the sacred fire of life in that unborn child.  She is in total denial of the reality of abortion and the long term effect it has on society!!   Thank you for writing this important article and exposing the dark side of the attempted abortion cover up!!  May God bless you richly,  Cliff Jones

  • http://twitter.com/AbortionDebate Abortion Debater

    These women are narcissists. Shoving their abortions in people’s faces can do more harm than good for the ’cause’ when even moderate abortion rights supporters want them to shut up and keep their ‘choice’ private.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000203899847 Maria Taheny

       Actually, they may border on psychopath.  The fact that they would embrace the destruction of, what they understand as, their own baby makes them beyond narcissist.  It puts them on par with Casey Anthony…only she gave birth to her child.

  • Kay Lacy

    Goodness. This made me sick to my stomach. I want to puke at this vitriol.

    ….this is vile. Just vile. Would say what I really think of this – but would get banned.

  • http://www.facebook.com/kymgibsoncarter Kymberly C. Gibson-Carter

    Makes me so sad. Lord, have mercy! 

  • Callie Maertz

    These women aren’t going to be having any abortions soon, they obviously will live their lives out with no real human contact…only being comforted by their online “friends” and cats…

    What a fulfilling existence for selfish people like them!!

    • 12angry_men

      Come on…we don’t need to begin grasping at straws here.

  • Cody

    No life should be taken. From the moment of conception, a child should be a child. They should have the right to life. We should give praise for not only the people that we know today, but to their parents for bringing them into to the world, and to the parents parents. Without them, the family and loved ones we know today wouldn’t exist.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002475311500 Monica Michelle

    I thought the job of a parent was to be willing to lay down their life to save their child… If they have any other living children, I pray to God that they and their mothers never get into a life-or-death situation, because obviously their mothers will choose their own lives over the lives of their children. This is so sickening.

  • prolifepagans

    Some of the attitudes being portrayed seem to border on necrophilia.

  • N.I.

    All we can do is join in prayer for these women who truly believe this and the others who buy into the lies of pro-abortion. This is a cry for action in the body of Christ, not in anger or judgement but in love and life-giving hope of a Savior that forgives and a future of life. In Jesus Name, Amen.

  • Cabaretewilliam

    Looking at some of those pics it may be a good thing they never had kids for many reasons!

  • Sullivan_m88

    Those women make me sick. No effing value of human life WHAT SO EVER.

  • prolifepagans

    Perhaps these abortion lovers should explain how wonderful abortion is to this lady, http://prolife-girl.blogspot.com/2012/05/chinas-war-on-women-quotes-from-culture.html?spref=tw 

  • rebeccarose7

    Highlighting how selfish pro-aborts really are… 

    • David Jeffers

      Highlighting their sense of Humor, it was simply a joke to them. If you see anything else in that you should turn off your computer and leave the internet. You’re going to be a victim of Trolls all your life if you cant even see THIS one

  • David Jeffers

    Trololol Pro-Choice, and how could you be anything else? 

    What if I said that I believed that every cumshot not used to fertilize an egg was killing thousands of potential lifes, using contraception is the prevention of life and therefore murder and again therefore shouldn’t be allowed. 

    My religion says it’s true, why can’t I make everyone else conform?

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      If you said that, I’d say it was a scientifically illiterate statement, and that you shouldn’t be wading into the abortion debate until you actually have a working familiarity with it.

    • http://prolife-girl.blogspot.ca/ Dolce

      I have a feeling you’re referring specifically to Catholicism, so I might as well bite … Catholics do NOT believe that contraception is wrong because it prevents “thousands of lives”. Learn what we do think before you make yourself look ridiculous by attacking a straw-man. *rolls eyes*

      • 12angry_men

        Catholicism does believe contraception is wrong though….most forms anyway

        • http://prolife-girl.blogspot.ca/ Galaxy3647

           Yes it does, but NOT because we equate contraception with murder.

          • 12angry_men

            Your statement is partially false. Catholics believe many forms of the pill block implantation, and therefore it is murder.

          • Dicamiel

            While Catholicism views sex and sexuality as inherently sacred and an aspect of Creation that reveals God’s nature in an absolutely beautiful and singularly amazing way, Catholics do not view sperm as human lives. Otherwise, wet dreams would be a mortal sin. And that would fly in the face of the criteria for a mortal sin: That is is chosen willingly and eliberately, that the sinner knows the gravity of the sin, and that it is of a serious nature.

          • 12angry_men

            I was referring to some forms of the pill, not condoms. But anyways, you’ll find many Catholics believe using condoms is a sin, just go visit lifesitenews. They’ll hound you if you say you believe condoms are okay to use.

  • DS

    Please don’t hate these people, including those who posted benighted comments below.  Their eyes and ears are closed; they are spiritually handicapped.  Instead of hating, pray that such people become open to the truth and to God, so that they can see their errors and their pride.  It can happen only if we love them and show them that God loves them.  (It happened with Norma McCorvey, the original “Roe”.)

  • Gellie

    This article REALLY tests my faith becaue it is REALLY hard for me to not wish death, followed by an eterinty of Hell, on these people!

    • 12angry_men

      You know what hell is right? Why would you want to wish that on anyone?

    • MoonChild02

      As people of faith, we’re not supposed to wish hell or death on these people. We’re supposed to feel sorry for them, and pray for them. They’re already in a kind of hell, because they are being whispered to by the devil, and many are filled with such hate. We’re supposed to hope that they find Christ.

      As people of science, we’re not supposed to wish death on anyone. We’re supposed to try to change their minds by engaging them in dialogue, and hope that we can change their minds. If we can’t, we have to hope that someone else can.

  • JR

    Some women regret their abortions… other women regret having children.  I think where some of this flippancy comes from is feeling the need to defend their choices.  It can feel ridiculous when you know what you want for your life DOES matter and people are telling you that you should just give up everything that matters to you because other people value motherhood so much.  I honestly don’t think women would be so “proud” of their abortions if they didn’t feel the need to defend themselves.  It is SO easy for people who want children and desire that lifestyle to be pro-life.  SO EASY.  Maybe abortion isn’t exactly “right” and certainly not GOOD, but not liking or wanting children doesn’t make someone a bad person or make YOU better than them.  Nor does it mean that your opinion on how life should be lived is the only viable one. We only get one shot at life… ONE.  So that means if a woman thinks a child will make her miserable, my heart hurts for the decision she has to make, but I support whatever decision she thinks is right for her.

    • Gellie

      How about adoption?!?! Give it up for adoption!!! If you don’t want to be pregnant, then be responsible and either don’t have sex or take one of the the MANY precautions available out there! Abortion is being used as birth control. It is so disturbing that you Pro-choice people only focus on the women, blah blah blah, it’s a womens choice…a womens choice to have an innocent life ripped limb from limb to it’s death, really?!?! How about actually take a minute to watch a video of an abortion taking place and get back to me that it is ok and should be a womens choice!

      • JR

        What if I don’t want to be pregnant?!  What then?  I should deny myself a normal healthy sex-life with my husband because I don’t want to be pregnant?  And please tell me you know that women using abortions AS birth control are extreme outliers.  That is the most expensive birth control I’ve ever heard of.  The vast majority of women who abort do so because their birth control failed.  They were trying to be responsible.  But it happened anyway.  Just because I give value to the woman doesn’t mean I see no value in the child.  However, I do give MORE value to a thinking and feeling woman.  And, to me, I think it’s strange that some of you seem to not value the woman at all… just the precious babies.  Women do have much value to our society outside just being mothers.  And many would not realize their full potential had they been mothers.  I’m not saying it’s an easy decision or the right decision… I’m just saying that I’m glad I have control over the direction of my life, my one shot to be happy.

        And yes I’ve seen the videos.  It’s not pretty.  But neither is regretting having a child for the rest of your life.  I want different things than you do.  Not even you can say you live your life simply out of altruistic principals.  You make selfish decisions, too.  We were all given our own set of desires.  And to be honest, birth control is SO unreliable that if getting pregnant was a sign that you need to give up on or postpone your goals, 99% of us would be forced to give up on our goals and desires before completing them.  Parents always say they want more for their children than they had.  Yet sometimes, to do that, some of us need to postpone or completely nix parenthood in order to do so.

        • Gellie

          You have no idea what you are talking about…Here is some information stemming from the 56th annual meeting of the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists earlier this week: Half of all women seeking a first abortion had not been using any type of contraception when they conceived (despite agreement with their sexual partners about not wanting to become pregnant). These women were seeking an abortion due to not using birth control or because of inconsistent birth control use. According to Dr. Nilda L. Moreno-Ruiz of Boston University, cost and religion did not seem to be factors influencing the lack of birth control use.

          Again what about adoption?! Your too selfish to give 9mths of your life to the life of your baby?! Your whole response is a me, me, me mentality!

          And BTW I do care about the women! I pray for them too. But yes I care more about the life of the unborn then the women who decide to kill them. That baby has no voice and no chance in this me, me, me society we live in.

          • JR

            If those stats are correct, that means you are still using the “abortion as birth control” argument when that is untrue for 50% of the abortion population.  So that makes you just as wrong.

            You speak of pregnancy as if it were simply a factor of time.  When in reality, you are talking about several physical, aesthetic, mental, relationship, financial, health and emotional factors… some of those permanent.  It’s not like grabbing a plant and letting it grow for 9 months in a pot.  All factors for pregnancy considered, not wanting to go through that is understandable!

            So,  you care about the child more, probably based on it’s innocence.  That is understandable.  I care about the woman more based on the fact that she actually experiences emotion and I believe she deserves to be happy.  I don’t think either of us is right or wrong.  Based on what we believe, we will make different choices that is right for our own lives and for our own happiness.  I don’t think abortion is fair to the child, no.  I don’t think growing up in a poor family life is fair, but can be overcome…. sometimes.  Here is what I also don’t think is fair:  So you like children and they make you happy… I don’t (for the most part) and being a mother would make me VERY miserable.  You don’t deserve happiness any more than I do.  Life is not always fair, but like I said, I sure am glad I was given the chance to make the decision I knew would make me happiest.  And you know what, I am!!  I’m a happy and YES, blessed woman who has had an abortion.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            Oh, well if it made you happy then I guess that makes all the difference in the world! Who cares if a child died?

          • liz

            glad your colors are coming out, you will be very miserable if you were a mother. I feel sorry for your future kids if you have one, why don’t you just go ahead and sterilize yourself, to avoid this whole problem altogether.

        • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

          “What if I don’t want to be pregnant?!  What then?  I should deny myself a
          normal healthy sex-life with my husband because I don’t want to be
          pregnant?”

          You have the freedom to do what you want: don’t have sex, have sex with whatever form of birth control you want to try, whatever. But no decision in life is without risks and tradeoffs. You’re free to do whatever you want to alleviate those risks and tradeoffs…up to the point where your efforts infringe on the rights of somebody else. Is there any other group of people that should be killable because their existence inconveniences us?

        • EliDraconis

          “However, I do give MORE value to a thinking and feeling woman.”  The baby thinks and feels too.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/DIC3XGZBFLZCL4AZBOCGTMI4EU JennyB

      If, as a society, we viewed the child in the womb as a real human life equal in due respect and dignity to a person living outside of the womb, JR (or anyone else for that matter) wouldn’t make a comment like the one posted above. Could you imagine if someone made the above comment but, instead of talking about an unborn child, was speaking about an infant? It makes no difference if a woman wants to be a mother or not. The unborn child deserves to live. There are other solutions and help available for women who don’t want/can’t provide for their children. Our life here on earth is so brief compared to our eternal life. We need to be encouraging and praying for people to live for Christ in this life so that they can be with Christ forever.

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      Nobody’s saying there’s anything wrong with not wanting children. The question is whether that’s a good enough reason to kill one once he or she is already there.

    • EliDraconis

      “We only get one shot at life… ONE.”   If you truly believe this, then how could you possibly believe that it is right to rob a child of his or her “one shot at life” for the sake of your own convenience?

  • Detroiter327

    I had an abortion 6 years ago and I have never for one second regretted it. I would never EVER associate pride with my decision, or say I loved it. If people are discussing abortion I will tell my story, because while I may not feel pride I refuse to feel shame. It is also important for people on both sides of the debate to listen to the stories of the women who have had abortions and see the real process that goes on. I was in North Carolina for school at the time, and where I went had some kind of waiting period and ultrasound rule. I remember getting the ultra sound at six weeks and having to strain to see the small thing inside me. It did not change my decision. I remember having to come back the next day, it only effected my decision in the fact that I had to pay more money for a second cab since I knew no one there and could not drive myself after. Both times in the waiting room I was the only person without children. Everyone else had families with 2-4 children and could not afford anymore. I was 100% informed when it came down to the entire process and my decision. In the years that have passed I have become a more mature adult. I want to have children and when I am, I want to be financially and emotionally stable. You can slam me as much as you want for my decision, but wanting to bring a child into a stable life isnt selfish. I personally feel I made a better decision than many  girls I know who decided to continue on and have a baby. One is still in a relationship with her abusive boyfriend (who we all know by statistics will most likely beat their children too), one refuses to let the child talk to her father because they had a rough break up and when the child grows older will be poisoned by lies and used as a pawn, several others we question what the hell happened to their children since they are seen out at the bar 4 or 5 nights a week. I have 2 friends who are loving, caring, responsible mothers. I guess what Im trying to say is that while being a mature parent at a young age is possible, it  is rare, and the consequences of not being so are dangerous to the child. Just because you can have a baby, dosent mean you should. Having a baby does not mean you are qualified to be a loving, supportive, mature parent. Its interesting there is so much vitriol towards some women who have had abortions or some women who support it. Personally I save my vitriol for the women who had children and are absolutely horrible mothers, endangering their children and trapping them in horrible lives. The days I had my appointments, there were teens outside with their mouths taped shut, since the unborn cant speak or whatever similar point they were trying to make. I was confused because there are millions of children who have been born, who are living right now. Many are born into violence and in homes without love, attention or encouragement and they need people to speak for them too. You can condemn me or pray for my soul or whatever you want, I just wanted you to know there are pro choice women out there who prefer children to cats.

    • Gellie

      And once again, no mention of adoption, selfish! And yes I can speak on this subject because I have a 19 year old daughter who is pregnant at the moment and wanted to have an abortion but me and her father were able to talk her out of it. She has decided to give her baby up for adoption. She is thrilled with the fact that she is able to give to someone what they themselves are not able to have. It has turned out to be a positive life changing experience for her. Yes there have been struggles and there will be sadness but nothing compared to what she would have felt someday over the regret of an abortion. You can mock our pro-life efforts but yes I will pray for you!

    • angelia Taylor

      IF they are bad mothers they didn’t really want kids to begin with and should keep their legs closed. Anytype of killing is wrong. Why do people think it is ok to get preg. and murder the baby. It is living. Just because you can not see him/her they are there and may be would have changed moms life for the better. TO be undrestaning and loving. And if not give the baby up. My friend had one and I hated it. but I could not change her mind. Now she has two kids and it could have been one of them and I think she relizes the wrong now. No murder is right.esp. these girls that have an abortion almost monthly.. Just stupidness. quit having sex. Crap

      • Detroiter327

        Its interesting because as much as people say that “We arent calling women who get abortions whores” there comes a comment like this that validates that argument entirely. Thank you very much. 

        • MoonChild02

          Her argument is one of many. Yes, those people with those opinions exist. That doesn’t mean that all or even most agree. Most people don’t and won’t say that women who get abortions are whores, and wholly disagree with that line of thinking.

    • Shasta

       So you are saying that if a six year old is being abused it’s okay to kill her? Just because a child may be abused or neglected is not a good reason for killing them. It isn’t acceptable to kill anyone for any reason.

      Just because someone is pro-life doesn’t mean that they support child abuse! It doesn’t mean that they don’t fight for the born and living children who are abused. It just means they fight against the abuse happening to the unborn as well.

      • Detroiter327

        Well. First of all. I clearly have never said if a six year old is being abused its ok to kill him/her? Im really confused actually where you got that in my post. Secondly I also never said pro lifers supported child abuse. I am clearly saying that there are children who are living now who could use their help. I would like to see the progress that would be made if pro lifers took the exact same amount of time and spent in on children that have been already born. 

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      “Just because you can have a baby, dosent mean you should. Having a baby
      does not mean you are qualified to be a loving, supportive, mature parent.”

      True, but that’s an argument for not getting pregnant in the first place, and if you do get pregnant giving the baby up for adoption. It’s not an argument for killing a baby that has already been brought into existence.

    • TheVoiceforTheLilPeople

      If you’re not mature enough to handle a baby you have no business having sex which, by nature, is fully and completely for making babies. The orgasm, the attraction, it’s all psychologically tied into creating a baby. Men are attracted to boobs because they are looking for a woman who will be able to feed the baby subconsciously, I’ve studied it. If you prefer cats to children then again, you have no business having sex. As for rape victims, men who rape need to be put in prison for life and people need to accept the fact the baby is a victim too and could grow into a beautiful person who is a good thing come out of a terrible deed and even be the mother’s best friend.
      And I grew up in a very poor, poor home, however, much like in children’s stories and fairy tales, I could not have asked for anything more then what I had, because what I had was love. My mother loved me and I loved my mother and we got through the difficult times TOGETHER.  Shared a hamburger from McDonalds and even if that was all I had to eat that day, it was perfectly enough because I was happy with my mother. And no it wasn’t perfect, we cried we fought, but that’s part of being human. That’s what the unborn have a right to be, is human. 

      • Edie414

        Telling women to not have sex to not get pregnant isn’t the option. Having a healthy sex life and being proud of it shouldn’t be something any woman has to worry about. Most of the women who have abortions use contraception that fails them or their spouse or significant other sometimes sabotage the birth control; they shouldn’t have to pay for being apart of the small group of people that birth control doesn’t work that well for. They should have the option to make their own decisions about their body. As for “nature”and how sex works. Yes, biologically sexual desires is only to procreate and keep our species viable and still going, however in this day and age we’ve noticed to major species that have sex for pleasurable reasons and that is the human race and Bonobo Chimpanzees. Women shall not pay for enjoying sex, like no man has to pay for it and abortions will keep happening because a woman has the RIGHT to choose what she wants done to HER OWN BODY, not the undeveloped neural pathways of a blastocyst/embryo/fetus that won’t even be cognitive for many months. I’m sorry, but pro-choice is the only logical answer.

        Also, giving away a child is a lot easier said than done. Not only does the mother have to suffer through giving away the child after it’s born, but then the child gets to grow up and wonder why it was given up for adoption. Adoption is a beautiful thing, but it’s an excruciating process in the end and their should be easier less painful options for women to choose from, abortion and contraception are two of those options. 

        • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

          “Having a healthy sex life and being proud of it shouldn’t be something any woman has to worry about.”

          It’s not a question of whether somebody “should or shouldn’t” have to worry about something. The reality that sex makes babies and that BC isn’t 100% is what it is: reality. Everybody knows it going in, and is free to heed it, ignore it, or try any number of ways of alleviating it. But don’t expect someone else to bail you out of YOUR decisions.

          “they shouldn’t have to pay for being apart of the small group of people that birth control doesn’t work that well for.”

          What does this sentence even mean?

          “They should have the option to make their own decisions about their body.”

          They already do. Nobody questions their sovereignty over THEIR OWN bodies. Quite peddling straw-man arguments.

          “a woman has the RIGHT to choose what she wants done to HER OWN BODY, not the undeveloped neural pathways of a blastocyst/embryo/fetus that won’t even be cognitive for many months.”

          Please, educate yourself a little more about embryology before you next opine on this.

          “Not only does the mother have to suffer through giving away the child after it’s born, but then the child gets to grow up and wonder why it was given up for adoption.”

          Translation: Kill him or her, and everybody’s better off! I’m sorry, but “logic” like that makes me sick.

          • Edie414

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/brazil-rocked-by-abortion-for-9yearold-rape-victim-1640165.html 
            I bet she’s a murderer, right. 
            You guys won’t change my mind. Women don’t need to be married to have sex. I’m for a human being whose already living’s choice. A seed is no more a plant than an blastocyst/embryo/fetus is a human.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            The only reason we won’t change your mind is that you’re emotionally invested in your false version of reality being true, no matter how many ignorant-sounding things you say. I pity you.

          • Edie414

            I pity you!

        • http://www.facebook.com/jeep.obsessed Brooke Mehr

          “Telling women to not have sex to not get pregnant isn’t the option.”

          How so? Sex creates babies. So, logically, if you do not want to create children, then the obvious answer (for most situations) is to abstain from the activity that creates children.

          Otherwise, as responsible consenting adults, those who are sexually active should be willing to accept responsibility for their actions. When a life is created, they are responsible for that life for at least the 9 months it takes to gestate. Then they are willing to give the child over to a loving couple/family (that they choose) in an adoption that they can arrange during the pregnancy.

          On another note, I would love to know when you draw the line of cognizance? You say many months, but when do you believe that the fetus becomes cognitive. And how late in gestation are you okay with abortion?

          • Edie414

            People actively enjoy and want to have sex. To stop them from enjoying it because pregnancy might happen isn’t right. People who want healthy sex lives shouldn’t be forced to have children. It’s their body. And adoption is not an easy choice. It scars both the mother and child. No one should make a woman go through with anything that harms her freedom. Her body, her rights. Children don’t have the receptors for pain until the 24th-28th week and they can’t localize pain until nearing the end of the pregnancy or not until after they are born. Patriarchy has ruined this nation for women being strong and confident in who they are. Also, passing laws based on religious doctrine is completely unconstitutional. Don’t want an abortion don’t get one. Don’t want someone taking away your rights, don’t take away the rights of others. It’s as simple as that. 

            I’ve had an abortion during the 6th week of pregnancy and I’m proud, confident, and happy to speak on this as a real option for women struggling with the decision. However, if a woman chooses to keep her child or give it up for adoption I would never change their mind. Every woman should choose her life and how she wants that to go. As long as she is safe about all sexual decisions then there isn’t any harm.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            “To stop them from enjoying it because pregnancy might happen isn’t right.”

            Straw-man alert!

            “People who want healthy sex lives shouldn’t be forced to have children.”

            Can you just once acknowledge the difference between “forcing someone to have children” and forcing someone not to kill a child she’s already created?

            “Her body, her rights.”

            The baby isn’t her body. Biology 101.

            “Children don’t have the receptors for pain until the 24th-28th week and they can’t localize pain until nearing the end of the pregnancy or not until after they are born.”

            So what? If somebody’s killed painlessly, then it’s okay?

            “Patriarchy has ruined this nation for women being strong and confident in who they are.”

            Oh, wow. The feminist brainwashing actually explains a lot. Thanks!

            “Also, passing laws based on religious doctrine is completely unconstitutional.”

            Aren’t you even a little concerned about the fact that you can’t put together an argument without using straw-men. A little?

            “Don’t want someone taking away your rights, don’t take away the rights of others.”

            You say…just before saying you’re proud that you took away your son or daughter’s right to life.

          • Elise77

            I have a healthy sex life. I am proud of it. I earned it. I married the man before there was ANY risk of us bringing children into the equation. We quickly started our family, and while not all (really, none) of our pregnancies were “planned” in the conventional sense, it was understood that sex makes babies. And we liked sex, therefore, babies were made. Babies were made despite our efforts to prevent conception. And said babies were welcomed into our lives because from the moment they were made, we were their parents. They were our children. They were OUR responsibility. They weren’t the result of something that “happened to us.” They were the result of something WE did. And I would not have DREAMED of making my children pay for our pleasure WITH THEIR LIVES.

            At the point when we decided that our resources were maxed out and we couldn’t afford any more “happy accidents,” my husband got a vasectomy. And vasectomies are extremely effective at pregnancy prevention, but they are NOT foolproof. And because my husband and I share a vibrant sex life even after fifteen years of marriage, we STILL accept that each time we come together, the possibility exists that we might create a new human being- OUR CHILD- whose existence would be OUR FAULT. OUR responsibility. So that child would be safe in my womb and safe in our home, and we would work and scrape and scrimp to provide for that little one along with our other children. And if, somehow, we could not provide for him or her, we would place him or her into another loving home that could, and suffer the pain of giving up our precious child ourselves, rather than to indulge for a MOMENT the idea of destroying him or her instead.

            Because that’s what responsible adults with a healthy sex life do. They don’t make excuses. They don’t make other people pay for their pleasure. ESPECIALLY NOT WITH THEIR LIVES. And it has NOTHING to do with religion. There are pro-life atheists. There are pro-life Wiccans. There are pro-life Buddhists, Hindus, and agnostics. They all agree that killing an innocent human being is a violation of human rights.

            Parallels to your argument:
            Don’t like slavery? Don’t have a slave.
            Don’t like murder? Don’t kill people.
            Don’t like rape? Don’t rape anyone.

            When there’s a victim involved, it changes things. I don’t care if you get a tattoo or a ring through your nose. Don’t care if you skydive, sleep with an entire Shriners convention, or stick your head in the mouth of a lion. Cut off your lips for all I care- that’s YOUR body. I wouldn’t do it, but I’m not you. But at the point where your decision is to brutally end the life of another human being, this “Don’t like x? Don’t do x.” argument dissolves.

            Let me tell you something else: I am VERY confident in who I am as a woman and as a person. I can grow a healthy, beautiful human being in my womb. I can cook a meal with a baby at my breast. I am educated and intelligent even with four children and an incomplete college education. I have the love, respect, and admiration of my husband, and it’s mutual. I am not oppressed. I can do anything I want to do, and be anything I want to be, without making someone else a victim of my ambition. I am not so weak as to need to oppress another human being. I do not need the contrived right to kill my own offspring, in order to realize my full potential. As a woman, I am SO much more powerful than that. My uterus does not define me, but neither is it a liability. Maybe you’re not confident in who YOU are, but it’s not because of our “paternalistic society.” Maybe it’s because you’ve allowed yourself to follow the crowd and do what they do because it’s easier to do that than to swim against the current. Whatever it is, don’t project it on women as a whole. This isn’t the 1500′s and it isn’t Afghanistan. This oppression you pretend to feel is nothing more than a talking point. Woman up.

          • Gellie

            Well said!!!

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeep.obsessed Brooke Mehr

            Thank you, Elise! That was wonderfully put!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=525930014 Elisha Lakin

      Hey, I understand where you’re coming from. I knew of a girl who was 17, she got knocked up at a party. She had a one night stand with a much older guy… she was just starting to experiment with drugs and alcohol, kind of going down a bad road, you know? Her dad was pissed when he found out she was pregnant, can’t blame him. I’m sure a lot of her friends suggested having an abortion. It seems reasonable for her situation, right? What 17 year old girl wants to be a mom? It’s a lot of hard work, not to mention your peers sneering behind your back!

      Well, this girl was my mother. Her name was Rachel. She gave me up for adoption. I am forever grateful to her for the choice she made to allow me to live. Your child would have been too. I don’t think you’re awful at all for what you did, and I know you won’t agree with this, but I do think you made a mistake. Pro-lifers (including myself) are fighting for the babies who are just like I was. If Rachel aborted me, I would not be here now. I’m pursuing a career in social work to help women in crisis, I’m getting married in 3 months to the love of my life, I have an incredible adoptive family. I lead a worthy existence… sometimes it’s sublime, and other times it’s extremely challenging, maybe you can relate to this. I was conceived 1 year after Roe V Wade, and I am a survivor of abortion thanks to a courageous young woman who chose to do the right thing for her unborn child, not the easy thing. I’ll pray for you too, because I feel in my heart that you are a loving person, and that you will find truth one day. 

    • ChristylvsGod

      If the choice of premarital sex was not made, then you would not have to make the decision to take your unborn babies life.  It is selfish as you chose to have sex and not think about the possible consequences and choices you would face if you did.  Thank God He takes those precious babies back to heaven with Him!  So sorry for your loss

    • Julietmarie97

      Ah so since the child might have a hard life we should like mercy kill her/him or something? No, that is not our place to say when the life of someone should end. Adoption is a wonderful option.

  • Saria

    I had an abortion several years ago. I never talk about it.

    I’m still glad I made the decision. I was in an abusive relationship, far away from my family in another state, a chain smoker, and an alcoholic. When I got pregnant I was terrified. I knew that if I were to have this child I would forever be tethered to the man I was too scared to leave. If I had kept that child, I would never have left him. 

    Adoption is always toted as an alternative to abortion but I can’t imagine trying to go through that process with the way I let this man control me. Even if I had, I would have regretted it. I have a child now and I would want my other child back now that I could care for them. Contrary to what you may think, I never believed my 7 week old pregnancy to be a child yet.. just the potential for one, the same way as sperm or my body before my period starts. So with an abortion I don’t constantly wonder what “my” adopted child is doing or what they think of me. If I had to have given a child up for adoption, I would have felt even more worthless and I imagine I never would have left the man that beat me. That is, if he didn’t kill the child before it got that far. 

    I was also drinking like a sailor and had no intention to stop. I think you know what that does to children. You cannot tell me being born severely brain damaged is better than never existing in the first place. 

    After my abortion, I gained the strength to leave this man. I got my act together. I stopped drinking,  moved back with my mother, went back to college. The best part of this story? I met a man and fell in love. We had a child who was conceived the week of the estimated due date of the pregnancy I aborted. If I had never had my abortion, my daughter would never have existed. She is amazing, my shining star and I am able to provide for her.  I would never trade her for an unhappy abused child of an alcoholic and a wife beater. 

    • Gellie

      Image 1 of 20
       Month 2, I can suck my thumb now! The developing baby is now called a “fetus” which is Latin for “little one.” She is making rapid progress developing all her external and internal organs. During the second month baby teeth form; fingers and toes are developing. Ears, nose, lips and tongue can now be clearly seen. Brain waves can now be recorded. The central nervous system is now functioning, and so forty muscle sets begin their first exercises. The skeleton changes from cartilage to bone. By 8 weeks all body systems are present. This little one can now suck her thumb.     

      • Saria

        How is that even a response to what I posted? It’s not even correct. Did you even read what I said? 

        Tooth buds don’t even appear until week 11 to 14. They can’t suck their thumb until about week 19. The child has a tail at week 7, but you wouldn’t post that because it seems less human? 
        Until we either develop artificial wombs, or the child has sustain its self.. You’re just talking about forcibly using a woman as an incubator/baby factory  to punish her for behaving like a man.  What if we decided everyone has to give up their second kidney or a piece of their liver to people who need a transplant? That’s also life saving and a very “selfless” thing to do. Or are you afraid that would effect you too much?

        • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

          We’re not forcibly using a woman for anything. We’re just preventing her from killing what she ALREADY created — in most cases knowingly and voluntarily. And the bit about punishing women for “behaving like men” simply isn’t true and has no relevance to the debate.

        • MoonChild02

          We still have a slight tail after birth, it’s just internalized. Some are actually born with a vestigial tail. It doesn’t make them any less human. The “tail” is actually the spine. For the unborn child at seven weeks, that’s how a human being is supposed to look at that stage.

    • grdawg

      I’m very sorry for your situation.  It
      obviously sounds horrible.  However, believing what you want to – that
      your 7 week old child didn’t actually exist – doesn’t make it true.
       There’s loads of scientific evidence out there that a new, unique human
      life begins at the moment that the sperm and the egg meet.  Human biology
      clearly teaches that there is a east to west difference between a sperm/egg and
      the human begin that exists when those two meet.  Your 7 week old child
      was still a child who had a right to live, despite the awful circumstances.
       I’m sure your daughter is absolutely precious, as you say, and it’s
      apparent you love her very much.  Hopefully one day you can come to
      realize what Abby Johnson has realized about her abortions.  She is still
      a whole person who has moved on with her life, but she realizes that her
      abortions were wrong and that they injured an innocent person who did not deserve
      death.

       

      (Abby Johnson’s article:  http://www.lifenews.com/2012/05/17/abby-johnson-do-i-deserve-the-death-penalty-for-abortion/)

      • Me2

        We obviously disagree but I do thank you for your kind and honest response to my post.

      • Edie414

        believe what you what it doesn’t make it true is what I say to Christians who belittle my atheist beliefs in favor of a delusional belief in a god that doesn’t exist.

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      I feel for your situation, but the fact remains that the child existed and was alive regardless of what you perceived. It was never “potential” or hypothetical.

    • MoonChild02

      How do you know you would not have had the courage to leave him? Many times children give women the courage to leave abusive relationships and get clean because they have to protect the children from the abuser and the substance abuse. All you would have had to do was walk into a pregnancy care center, church, or women’s shelter and ask for help.

  • angelia Taylor

    This is the most selfish bunch of CRAP I have ever heard. If you do not want to get preg. then have your tubes tied or CLOSE YOUR LEGS. The baby inside you regardless the size feels the pain. It did not choose to be made in the first place yet pulled apart. If you get raped and want to have one, ok I kinda understand, but still it is NOT TE BABIES fault at all. I would have him/her and give her to a family that could not conceive themself. What is WRONG WITH THIS WORLD ANYMORE. QUITE BEING SELFISH. I have 4 kids and they drive me nuts. If I got preg. again I would not even think to have an abortion. I love my kids regardless and people tht can hurt babies unborn or alive, same thing, are very selfish ,rude people. and yet to laugh and smile, how sad.

    • Me2

      So being born as a women, something I never asked to do, means I have three choices in life:
      Have surgery or take a pill everyday
      NEVER HAVE SEX BECAUSE IT MAKES ME A WHORE
      or pump out babies for all the rich families that can’t do it themselves.

      We’re already over populated. Imagine what zero abortions would do to the resources of this planet. 

      • grdawg

        Um…abortion is no easier – many would say harder, in fact – than having one surgery.  Especially if you have multiple abortions.  So your reasoning is kinda out there.  No one is saying you can’t have sex.  You should just be willing to take responsibility for the results of your decisions.  And if one “result” is a new, innocent life, yes, it would be the right and kind thing to do to give that baby to a family who would love her to pieces.  That’s a lot better than ripping her to pieces in an abortion.

      • http://prolife-girl.blogspot.ca/ Dolce

         You know, I find it interesting that you say that you “never asked to be born a women”. The children that you kill never asked to be created at all, yet you find it completely reasonable to make decisions about their lives for them because you don’t think that the choices in your life are adequate.

        I don’t understand what is soooo horrible about realizing the reality of having sex – that it could make a baby. What is so strange about believing that if someone decides to have sex, and they create a baby (which can happen anytime you have sex), then they are responsible for taking care of that new life until they are able to pass on their responsibility to someone else. Sex seems to be one of the only decisions that we don’t ask people to take full responsibility for. And women and men sacrifice their own offspring for this “freedom”.

        Ya, it sucks that you can’t have sex all the time anytime without the possibility of some serious consequences. But that is the way life is, and it is the way our bodies work. Do you rail against the world because drinking large amounts of alcohol render you comatose and unable to drive? Do you rail against the world because, as a healthy women, you bleed once a month? Do you rail against the world when eating lots of sweets makes you ill?

        Of course not. Its the way your body works. In the same way that having sex might create a new little son or daughter that is your responsibility to care for, since you and your partner are the ones that created it in the first place.

        And the overpopulation argument is the worst abortion argument I have ever heard – if you were REALLY so worried about overpopulation and using up the resources of this planet, you wouldn’t own a computer, you wouldn’t be living in an area which gives you access to technology and large amounts of food, and if you REALLY wanted to put your money where your mouth is, you would kill yourself to rid the world of the “burden” of one more person. But of course, you don’t do that. Because YOU deserve to be alive, but anyone coming AFTER you is a horrible burden on the resources of this planet.

        • Detroiter327

          Alright so from now on lets all be responsible for our actions. Next time someone has a heart attack or cholestoral problem lets not treat them because they have created the problem and are responsible for it. Next time someone develops type 2 Diabetes we wont treat them either since they created it and we are all being responsible for our actions. Half the medical community is here for people to avoid the outcomes of their behaviors. So if a woman gets pregnant she hast to be responsible, but if your grandfather/father/husband has a heart attack from years of eating fatty foods they do not. Ok. 

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            Ah, I see you’ve mastered the art of the straw man. Very good, grasshopper……

          • Dicamiel

            Providing someone with lifesaving aid even though they brought the condition on themselves=/=Saying it’s totally cool for a woman to kill off her offspring in utero because she doesn’t want to have kids right now. No one is saying we shouldn’t provide real, necessary medical aid to pregnant women for free or cheaply simply because it was caused by irresponsible sexual practices. No one is saying we shouldn’t provide them with financial of material aid because it’s their problem. We’re saying, “You behaved irresponsibly, don’t be so surprised when there are outcomes you did not want or expect. And DEFINTELY don’t punish someone else for them.”

      • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

        1.) We’re not saying having sex makes you a whore. But we are saying you have to be honest and realistic about what your options are and what your role in creating the child is, and that killing an innocent person cannot be an option.

        2.) First, you need to double-check where you’re getting this idea that we’re overpopulated. Second, if we really do face an overpopulation crisis, then doesn’t that mean we should at least consider solutions like mandating abortions, rationing care, and “aborting” the post-birth people we can’t sustain? Be careful what arguments you use. They’ll take you to a place nobody wants to go.

        • Detroiter327

          When you say CLOSE YOUR LEGS its insinuating someone is a whore. And please. Travel to Nairobi or India and tell me we are not overpopulated. 

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            Okay, I see that because you dislike the commenter’s terminology, you’re going to choose to ignore the underlying point. Way to  avoid serious discussion.

            And “travel to Nairobi or India” — in other words, “take a look at places that are really crowded” — strikes me as a not-particularly-compelling variation of argument by anecdote.

      • MoonChild02

        No one said having sex makes you a whore. However, there’s nothing wrong with exercising a little self-restraint. You have another option: Natural Family Planning. Learn and track your cycles, and you won’t have this problem. When you know that you’re fertile, and you don’t want to have kids, don’t have sex. It’s as simple as that. We’re all human, we’re all tempted. However, we all have the ability to restrain ourselves from doing things that have repercussions, and we’re better for it.

        Also, we’re not overpopulated: http://www.overpopulationisamyth.com/

      • http://twitter.com/DunganLarry Larry James Dungan

        that’s a lie, we are NOT Over Populated, you’ve been lied to by the Planned Parenthood Propaganda agenda, Little Babies are a Blessing not a curse, there are many families who would love to have a baby, if they are unable to have their own, they would love to adopt, many have, to their great joy. as bad as the world may seem to be, there is always room for one more little baby, they are a Wonderful addition to anyone’s life, the Parents’ or the adoptive Parents. 

      • Dicamiel

        Or use barriers, or get a shot once a few months, or engage in sexual relations with a female, or learn Natural Family Planning, or masturbate instead of having sex, or indulge in sex acts that, while pleasurable, are non-procreative. Or do any combination thereof.
        “OMG PRO-LIFE PPLZ THNK HVING SEX MAKES ME A WOHER!!!111!!! THEIR TOTALLY WOMEN HATERZ1!!1!”
        Is just . . . No. No one thinks that. “Keep your legs closed” is a disgusting phrase, but the sentiment is: “If you’re going to have sex, you should know there are going to be consequences, and probably do know that. Don’t ignore the possiblity of consequences, don’t punish someone else for them, don’t be surprised by them. There are contraceptive methods out there. Often times, cheaply or easily available. Some are free. Abortion should not be birth control.” That’s what they mean. It’s sad that they choose to articulate it as “keep yur legs closed,” but as we all know, just because a choice is available doesn’t make it the right one.

  • guest

    So..when will it become….’ Hey! I killed my next door neighbor! He was being noisey and I didn’t feel like having to share my space with him.” Soooo sad that we have become such a selfish people. Imagine how outraged people would be (and rightly so)  if an innocent puppy were killed. I guess it’s the immature person who not only does it but is proud of it.

  • Oedipa

    Isn’t it conceivable that it’s just a rhetorical arms race? The more histrionic the rhetoric gets in pro-life circles (laughably so, sometimes), did you not think there’d be an equal and opposite response from pro choice circles?

    Now, I don’t happen to subscribe to it. I think I understand the regret that’s implicit in abortion. But I’m not going to begrudge them their own outspokenness.

    To butcher a Nietszche aphorism: “In-your-facedness only offends when it offends one’s own in-your-facedness”.

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      “It’s understandable that one side is motivated to celebrate murder because the other side has the audacity to call it what it is.”

      Er, okay.

      • Oedipa

        You just can’t fathom that even opposing view-points might have value.

        • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

          And you can’t make counter-arguments without deploying straw men.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jeep.obsessed Brooke Mehr

          If the opposing arguments are advocating the taking of innocent lives, they have no value in my mind.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=643766373 LeRoy Whitman

    The Bible speaks about a time when there would be people like this: “without natural affection.”

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      I think every era has had people like this; their heartlessness has simply manifested in different pursuits and causes.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/5VCM24TQHUYUQPMMRPUWVBPIL4 WooHoo

    I was pregnant when times were tough. When financially and emotionally I was not prepared. I also had nine (really ten!) months to figure everything out. I started pregnant with a contract that ended, no health care, and ended up with a job (that I interviewed for while pregnant), stable, and with the most beautiful baby boy. I suppose I was a candidate for abortion – that was the message society was sending me. We need to stop teaching women to be weak and see abortion as a “way out.” Instead, women need to focus on being strong. We have the ability to bear children, to raise them, to change the diapers, be up for days, and in the end – have a better gift than a big house, materialistic things, or whatever is better than having that baby. 

    If these women would have an abortion today, then they need to get sterilized. Enough is enough. They can toddle their signs about proclaiming the wonders of abortion, but call abortion what it is. It’s not “abortion,” the fancy word placed over the act. It’s cruelly ending a living human being’s life inside the body through disgusting methods. The signs should read: If I was pregnant today, I would have the baby poisoned, vacuumed, and scraped out of my body.

  • LiveActionFan

    Someone I work with told us about a t-shirt with a baby on it that read, “Now that I’m safe, I’m Pro-Choice.”  Everyone thought it was funny.  I thought it was sad.  While abortion on demand is fueled by ignorance, there is that segment of the population who knows exactly what abortion is, yet supports it out of self-interest.

  • Edie414

    I had an abortion and I’m proud!

  • Edie414

    Not many women regret their abortion unless it wasn’t their choice and then they regret not standing up for themselves, but the women who choose to do so don’t regret it. Especially not thousands.

    Case in point, this site
    http://www.thanksabortion.com 

    • Kristiburtonbrown

      Actually, there are thousands who regret – and speak out against – their abortions.  Have you heard of the Silent No More Campaign?  Check it out:  http://silentnomoreawareness.org/about-us/index.aspx.  5,427 people have given their testimonies of regret about the abortions they participated in through this campaign alone. Over 10,000 people are registered with the campaign.

      • Edie414

        Men don’t really get a say because it’s not their bodies. They don’t cry when they lose sperm and that’s living and has the capability to become a human being. As for the women I’m sure it doesn’t help that abortion during the older women’s time was so stigmatized. Women treat other women like they are common criminals for defending their rights and bodies. No one makes a woman wear a scarlet A for adultery anymore, so why should be making women feel bad for taking care of their life and health. Abortion is a normal procedure. If we outlaw abortion we should outlaw plastic surgery unless it’s for emergencies only. 

        • Kristiburtonbrown

          So, in your opinion, no woman has the right to regret her abortion if she wants to?  You’re basically saying that every single woman on the planet should feel exactly how you do?  Talk about control and anti-choice.  There’s a 100% difference between sperm – something that 100% belongs to the man; an egg- something that 100% belongs to the woman; and a new, unique human being, created at the moment of fertilization.  They are not “potential life”–they ARE life.  You may want to study up on biology =)
          http://www.dakotavoice.com/Docs/South%20Dakota%20Abortion%20Task%20Force%20Report.pdf

          • Edie414

            No, they shouldn’t feel like me. I don’t need my words or meaning twisted. If we didn’t stigmatize abortion a lot less women would feel bad. If women regret then they should get help, but not to tell them what they did was wrong, but to reassure them that they made the right decision and they have nothing to feel guilty about or feel like they lost something. I’d remind them they can still be a mom and love many children and this time she’d be readier now than she was when she decided to have her abortion. I love women. Both as one and as a bisexual. There is an old mexican proverb “The house doesn’t stand upon the ground, but upon a woman.” Women should be respected and loved rather than made to feel ashamed for who they are or the choices they’ve made. No body, should force their opinions on someone else. Pro-choice allows for that freedom. If a young woman chooses to keep her baby good for her, planned parenthood offers free prenatal care and it’s on the Governments tab. I believe that we should make it easier to be a mother, that’s a major way to drop abortion rates. If everyone starts out with a base economy and living situation and their basic needs are met, we’d be able to end poverty and abortion rates would definitely drop I feel. I wish every woman had to option to keep their child, in an ideal world. But some women don’t want to be mothers, can’t afford it, aren’t mentally ready, or they have genetic disorders they knew nothing about that could seriously harm the child in the long run. In life there isn’t just black and white. People aren’t black and white. The reason a woman has an abortion can be numerous and all of them valid, because in the end, if she doesn’t want to have that child no other human being should force her to. That takes away her rights. 

          • Gellie

            Um ok let me say it yet one more time…ADOPTION! You selfish, selfish pro-choice people!!! And yet again, what about the rights of the unborn child…shit on them I guess is your thinking…unbelievable! Oh and one more thought, how about preventing the baby from ever happening, if you don’t want to be pregnant, prevent it from happening, duh!!!

          • Edie414

            So if a woman doesn’t want to have it she should go through mental torture for nine months. That’s cool. You pro-life people are so selfish.

          • grdawg

            But you’re so unselfish for killing babies?  Wow, that’s definitely the supreme standard of unselfishness!

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            Actions have consequences. And killing a baby is killing a baby. Period.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeep.obsessed Brooke Mehr

            “…planned parenthood offers free prenatal care and it’s on the Governments tab.”

            1. Where do you think the government gets its money from? Nothing is free.

            2. Have you actually looked at how much prenatal care planned parenthood issues each year?

            http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_Services.pdf

            Overall, their 2009 report states that prenatal services made up less than .003 percent of their total services for the year.

        • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

          The baby isn’t the mother’s body, either. Biology 101.

          • Edie414

            It isn’t living. It doesn’t have a say. The woman is living and it will affect her life dramatically. Forcing that on women is slavery. Women will not be slaves to other people and how they feel a woman should govern her own body.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            I’m beginning to wonder if you know what the words “living” and “body” actually mean. Your posts are agonizingly false.

          • Julietmarie97

            Sorry but if you did the research you would know that “it” is living. Stop pretending that motherhood is the only option, if you are not in the position of taking care of a child you should give him/her to someone who is. Adoption is a loving and selfless option on the part of the parent. The  parent loved the child enough to part with them so that they could give him/her the best life possible. I guarantee you any adopted child will say they are glad their mother didn’t have an abortion.

  • ChristylvsGod

    Keep up the good fight for all of those precious babies that are taken from society daily and the miracle of life that is viciously thrown back in the face of God as a burden to our selfish lives!  Praise God for the voices that are heard on the behalf of the ones that cannot be heard!  Chris

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  • Ashley

    I am literally almost in tears. I am sitting on the computer at school. I know someone who’s had several abortions and she’s devastated by it. Also my mom miscarried three times and I miss my siblings daily, and one of my best friends was raped and miscarried before she found out she was regnant. I consistently wonder what her baby would have been like. You SHOULD NOT be proud and love KILLING BABIES. That is disgusting.