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Justice Scalia’s refresher on constitutional originalism

Over the weekend, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia appeared on Fox News Sunday to chat with Chris Wallace about his new book, Reading Law: The Interpretation of Legal Texts. (Video here, transcript here.) The exchange is invaluable to understanding the judicial aspects of the abortion debate.

First, Scalia explains his general approach to constitutional interpretation:

Originalism is sort of subspecies of textualism. Textualism means you are governed by the text. That’s the only thing that is relevant to your decision, not whether the outcome is desirable, not whether legislative history says this or that. But the text of the statute. Originalism says that when you consult the text, you give it the meaning it had when it was adopted, not some later modern meaning.

The left’s preferred alternative is “Living Constitution” theory, which holds that our interpretation of the Constitution must change alongside society’s changing values and desires, because, as President Woodrow Wilson put it, government is “a living thing … modified by its environment, necessitated by its tasks, shaped to its functions by the sheer pressure of life. No living thing can have its organs offset against each other as checks, and live.”

Simply put, this is a sham that defeats the whole point of having a Constitution: placing firm limits on what government can do to the people and what people can do to each other. This function will never change because essential human nature is constant, as is the moral truth at America’s core – the equal right of every human being to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Yes, the Constitution is imperfect, and our preferences may change. But when they do, the only legitimate way to incorporate those changes into the Constitution is through the amendment process, which guarantees that changes happen only for matters of the utmost importance and preserves the integrity of the rest of the document – as opposed to simply reinterpreting it to suit our whims and agendas, which paves the way for rationalizing anything government might want to do to the people.

Later, the conversation turns to one of our history’s starkest examples of what happens when originalism is abandoned in favor of Living Constitutionalism:

WALLACE: There is one Supreme Court decision, reading a lot of your writings and speeches over the years, that seems to distress you more than any other. And that is Roe versus Wade, the 1973 decision that says that women have a constitutional right to abortion. You say that it is it a lie. And, in fact, while generally willing, you say, to accept long standing precedents, you say you will continue to press to overturn Roe. Why?

SCALIA: Well, I’m not sure if I could say this distresses me more than any other. It is in my mind the clearest example of being a non-textualist and non-originalist. No one ever thought that the American people ever voted to prohibit limitations on abortion. I mean, there is nothing in the Constitution that says that.

WALLACE: What about the right to privacy that the court found in known 1965?

SCALIA: There is no right to privacy. No generalized right to privacy.

WALLACE: Well, in the Griswold case, the court said there was.

SCALIA: Indeed it did, and that was — that was wrong. In the earlier case, the court had said the opposite. Look, the way the Fourth Amendment reads that people shall be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures.

To grasp just how badly the court stretched the Constitution’s privacy protections, consider that Griswold v. Connecticut’s author, Justice William Douglas, justified his decision by claiming that “specific guarantees in the Bill of Rights have penumbras, formed by emanations from those guarantees that help give them life and substance,” meaning he wasn’t looking to the actual text of the Constitution, but instead imagining what he wanted to find in the vague shadow of an emanation – pure gibberish.

Further, a pregnant woman’s right to privacy cannot possibly encompass abortion for the simple fact that it’s not private; it also affects someone other than that woman. The Roe court simply punted on the case’s most important factor, declaring, “We need not resolve the difficult question of when life begins.”

Lastly, it’s worth remembering that Scalia’s not exactly out on a limb here – even many liberal and pro-choice legal scholars admit that Roe is an embarrassment. For instance:

Laurence Tribe — Harvard Law School. Lawyer for Al Gore in 2000.

“One of the most curious things about Roe is that, behind its own verbal smokescreen, the substantive judgment on which it rests is nowhere to be found.”

“The Supreme Court, 1972 Term—Foreword: Toward a Model of Roles in the Due Process of Life and Law,” 87 Harvard Law Review 1, 7 (1973).

Edward Lazarus — Former clerk to Harry Blackmun.

“What, exactly, is the problem with Roe? The problem, I believe, is that it has little connection to the Constitutional right it purportedly interpreted. A constitutional right to privacy broad enough to include abortion has no meaningful foundation in constitutional text, history, or precedent – at least, it does not if those sources are fairly described and reasonably faithfully followed.”

The Lingering Problems with Roe v. Wade, and Why the Recent Senate Hearings on Michael McConnell’s Nomination Only Underlined Them,” FindLaw Legal Commentary, Oct. 3, 2002

John Hart Ely — Yale Law School, Harvard Law School, Stanford Law School

Roe “is not constitutional law and gives almost no sense of an obligation to try to be.”
“The Wages of Crying Wolf: A Comment on Roe v. Wade,” 82 Yale Law Journal, 920, 935-937 (1973).

Kermit Roosevelt — University of Pennsylvania Law School

“You will be hard-pressed to find a constitutional law professor, even among those who support the idea of constitutional protection for the right to choose, who will embrace the opinion itself rather than the result. This is not surprising. As constitutional argument, Roe is barely coherent. The court pulled its fundamental right to choose more or less from the constitutional ether.”

Shaky Basis for a Constitutional ‘Right’,” Washington Post, January 22, 2003.

Shamefully, few pro-abortion activists are willing to right this constitutional wrong and return abortion policy to the democratic process, because all they care about is preserving their preferred result. So let’s ask our pro-choice readers: are you willing to put the Constitution above your ideology? Do you recognize any higher goods to which the “right to choose” must yield?

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  • Skip Wallace

    Skip, listening for the pro-”choice” response to Calvin’s question………………..
    ………………………………..
    *crickets*

    • Guest

      I didn’t particularly want to get into this since it’s already been discussed to death, but since you asked…
      Q: “Do you recognize any higher goods to which the “right to choose” must yield?”
      A: Not when it comes to the right to choose what happens to your own body.

      • BabiesAreaHigherGood

        Well, then babies should be able to choose what happens to their own bodies.

        • Sorceress

          My thoughts exactly!

        • Stoneybrooke

          I wasn’t going to say anything either, but I hear this often so I’m going to try to explain why that isn’t a valid response:

          Firstly, something can’t really make any choices when it’s incapable of thought or feeling, but let’s just pretend it’s saying “I want to stay inside this woman’s body and use it to grow!” Well, that’s fine and it would be nice of her to do that, but she has no more obligation to acquiesce to that request than does a person who is approached by someone dying of leukemia who says “I want to use your bone marrow to stay alive”. We don’t forcibly violate that person’s body to save someone else; why should a woman with an unwanted pregnancy be any different?

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            And I hear bodily autonomy absolutism like this all the time, too, and it’s no more valid than any of abortion’s other rationalizations.

            For those who are interested in learning more about this particular rationalization (and are willing to examine it with an open mind), I’ve responded and extensively debated it here:
            http://liveactionnews.org/opinion/parenthood-responsibility-and-bodily-autonomy/

            And further refutations can be found here:
            http://www.prolifetraining.com/FiveMinute12.asp
            http://www.equipresources.org/atf/cf/%7B9C4EE03A-F988-4091-84BD-F8E70A3B0215%7D/JAA025.pdf

          • Stoneybrooke

            It’s funny that you linked your article in which I responded in the same way, and you just sort of gave up. In other words, I’ve already pointed out that being someone’s parent does not mean that your body can be forcibly violated for the sake of the offspring.

            You cannot force someone to do something with their body if they do not want to. Your other “refutations” only do the usual twisting and turning to come up with arguments that take bodily autonomy to the extreme and then say that if THOSE aren’t allowed, why should abortion be allowed? Personally, I think it would be very stupid, irresponsible, and maybe immoral to take certain medications while pregnant, but I still don’t think it should be illegal (as long as they are legal drugs, obtained legally). Just like smoking and drinking while pregnant aren’t illegal, though they certainly are (and should be) frowned upon.

            If your issue is with forcing action as opposed to forcing inaction, well you ignored my last point about that, with the Rh-negative woman, so how about we take something that’s less complicated: a woman finds out she’s pregnant and she doesn’t want to be, so she goes on a hunger strike in an effort to cause a miscarriage. Would you force her to eat?

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            Actually, all I “gave up” on was expecting different results from an exchange that clearly wasn’t going to go anywhere. You, like most who argue from the bodily autonomy absolutism angle, sustain your argument not by defending its core logic, but by trotting out a series of analogous situations that have less and less in common with pregnancy and abortion. It is YOUR side that does the “twisting and turning” and moving the goalposts toward more extreme situations.

            And a tip: considering the junk science you got caught endorsing on the other thread, you might consider being a little less smug about this stuff.

            Your comment has already been refuted in the links. Bye.

          • Stoneybrooke

            Haha, right, I’m the one who was “endorsing junk science”.

            The fact that you can call a woman’s body someone else’s “natural habitat” pretty much says it all. I just don’t think that a woman’s rights should be subordinate to those of an organism that can’t even think or feel.

            People with attitudes like yours–that a woman’s body is no longer hers as soon as she becomes pregnant–are what lead to situations like these: http://vitaminw.co/nation/10-tips-avoiding-jail-when-youre-pregnant . And I like how you basically ignored my question about a pregnant woman trying to induce a miscarriage naturally (which probably wouldn’t work, but could cause birth defects or low birth weight, but let’s say she’s desperate so she tries). I didn’t see anything about that in your links, but if it’s there perhaps you should learn to cite specific parts of it instead of telling someone to reread several pages of arguments that they find rather offensive. Really though, I’m left to assume that you just don’t want to admit that you’d advocate strapping her down and force-feeding her through a tube. Kind of like this: http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/force_feeding_suffragettes.htm

            My bottom line: women exist for their own reasons, not as means to an end. You can’t take away someone’s rights simply because she’s pregnant.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            There we go! The enslaving women smears are basically a variation on Reducio ad Hitlerum, and should be treated as such. A fair-minded person would understand I wasn’t reducing women to habitats, simply describing the nature of certain organs and assessing the nature of pregnancy.

            I’ve given you the tools to understand the issue better; I hope someday you decide the subject deserves a more honest, mature exploration.

          • Stoneybrooke

            Actually, I didn’t come up with the force-feeding thing as a way to involve early women’s rights advocates; I read about a woman in India who suffered a miscarriage during her hunger strike (just last month)
            http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/wire-news/woman-refuses-to-givehunger-strike-despite-miscarriage_727119.html so it’s not just a hypothetical question–it’s happened, and recently. All of the examples in the imprisoning-pregnant-women article are quite real as well. I wish these were merely hypothetical, but the sad truth is that they aren’t. So I ask again: what would you do (or think the authorities should do) if a woman were starving herself in an attempt to induce miscarriage?

            I’ve heard the “that’s what a uterus is for” argument as well, and beyond its offensiveness, there’s also the fact that it could be used to excuse rape as well–after all, sex and procreation is what a vagina is for as well. The woman didn’t consent to the use of her vagina any more than she consented to the use of her uterus, even if both are being used (against her will) in their natural capacities. I suppose you’d say that the rapist is purposely violating her body while the fetus isn’t, but state of mind matters only as far as punishing the perpetrator, not allowing a victim to defend herself.

          • Guest

            The hunger strike story presents an interesting case. It would raise the question of whether or not involuntary feeding is always torture. We do know that there are some cases where it’s acceptable. For example, psychiatric patients may be force-fed if it’s necessary to prevent physical debilitation or death. There are also cases where mentally competent prisoners in the US have been force-fed:

            http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=2119936130691213027&hl=en&as_sdt=2&as_vis=1&oi=scholarr

            The UN War Crimes Tribunal even decided that force-feeding is not “torture, inhuman or degrading treatment if there is a medical necessity
            to do so…and if the manner in which the detainee is force-fed is not
            inhuman or degrading”. Saving an innocent human being from starvation is certainly a valid medical necessity. So I don’t think we can assume ahead of time that force-feeding this woman would have been seriously wrong. You might find this outrageous, but the implications of your position don’t fare any better (you conceded that it should be legal for a pregnant woman to knowingly take thalidomide and cause her baby’s limbs to fall off).

            But if we assume that force-feeding is indeed torture, we still have to examine the ethics of torture (a controversial subject). There’s the infamous ticking time bomb scenario, for example (which most people agree would be an acceptable use of torture). Here we have a case of ongoing child abuse, where the only way to stop it and save the baby’s life is to torture the mother. Is torture justified here? Some would say not. But due to these complexities, I don’t think you can automatically conclude that abortion is justified even if we rule out the permissibility of force-feeding. As Calvin (less than courteously) pointed out, the situation simply isn’t analogous.

            The problem with the rapist argument is easy to spot if we ask ourselves why rape is wrong. It’s precisely because we understand that sexual intercourse is the kind of bodily interaction that requires explicit consent (not mere non-refusal). To cite a popular rape awareness campaign, “Just because she isn’t saying no doesn’t mean she’s saying yes”. Now, if we apply this principle to pregnancy we begin to see where the analogy breaks down. Consider a hypothetical case where a woman gets into a car accident. When she arrives at the hospital, the doctors discover that she is both comatose (which will last about a week) and two months pregnant. There is no evidence that she is aware of or consented to the pregnancy.

            If use of the uterus does indeed require consent, then it follows that the only moral thing to do in this case is to immediately perform an abortion. After all, if the hospital staff found a man having sex with the unconscious woman they would assume that she’s being raped and immediately intervene. But I highly doubt that any reasonable pro-choice person is going to accept this conclusion. Therefore, the rapist comparison is unsound.

            You have implied that it’s false and offensive to consider the uterus a special organ with a specific purpose (providing sustenance for one’s offspring before birth), so carrying the baby to term is a supererogatory moral act and not part of standard parental obligations. I reject this implication. Suppose the woman gives birth in an isolated area and lacks baby formula. Should she be required to breast feed? If not, then your position leads to infanticide. It should be legal to let your born child die and drink the milk yourself or feed it to your cat. I appreciate your consistency, but a consistent position does not equal a plausible one. On the other hand, if she is not morally and legally justified in refusing to breastfeed then it can be said that the right to refuse to donate parts of your body is not absolute. We can infer that the child does have the right to certain parts of the mother’s body. Why is the womb somehow different? It seems that if we wouldn’t require the mother to donate blood but would require her to breastfeed, it’s the nature of the organ in question that does the moral work.

          • Kristiburtonbrown

            I really don’t like the argument that not allowing abortion is taking away a woman’s rights simply because she’s pregnant. That’s not accurate at all. When I was pregnant, none of my rights were taken away. I was the same person I had been before, with the same rights. The only argument you could possibly make is that her “liberty” to kill her child and live exactly as she wants – child-free – is being taken away, but then, you could make the same argument for Andrea Yates, Susan Smith, and other mothers who want to kill their children. Pretty sure we don’t view the “liberty” to kill others as a right in this nation – even if it arguably makes our own lives easier…

          • Stoneybrooke

            Well, no, none of your rights was taken away because (a) abortion IS legal right now and (b) you clearly wanted to have a child.

            The right that is being infringed upon is the right to decide what happens to your body, not to “live child-free”. Once the child is born (or perhaps once a certain point in gestation has passed; that’s a whole new discussion), of course a woman has no right to kill it because it can live without her body and she could easily give up parental rights and put the child up for adoption. I’ve said before, even if she didn’t necessarily have the right to “kill” the fetus outright, a woman should certainly be allowed to separate even a living organism from her body if she doesn’t want it there.

            Also, what about specific cases like those outlined in the article, or how about this poor girl who was diagnosed with leukemia but is being refused lifesaving chemotherapy because she’s pregnant: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/25/world/americas/dominican-republic-abortion-teen/index.html?npt=NP1 ? How is it okay to take away HER right to life?

          • Kristiburtonbrown

            Abortion is about way more than what happens to a woman’s body. Sure, when a woman is pregnant, her body is affected. But when abortion happens, a baby’s body is sucked out and/or ripped apart. I think changes and possibly health concerns in a woman’s body are not really a far comparison to destroying another separate body. Those two things really are not equal.

            I’ve already commented about that girl more than once, but I -and many pro-lifers – do not believe it is right to take away her right to life. She should be given chemotherapy if that’s what she chooses. Her right to life is equal to that of her child, and the purpose of chemotherapy is to save her life. That should absolutely be allowed.

          • Kristiburtonbrown

            I’ve said this before, but the baby – unlike any other person who needs something from another person to live – was invited. Of course, not all sex is done or should be done for the purpose of procreation, but most people know very well that a baby can result from sex. The baby didn’t ask to be put there, but the people engaging in sex did accept the possibility that a baby might be created. Of course, I know rape is different, but still – there is no reason to give a baby the death penalty when the rapist doesn’t even get that harsh of a punishment.

      • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

        Cute, but not only does the “to your own body” formulation misrepresent the issue (there’s *another* body being affected by abortion), but that’s not even really the subject of this article.

        The pertinent question is whether you and your side can admit that the Constitution doesn’t just hand your your policy goals on a silver platter and your goals must be earned at the ballot box, or you’re just going to abuse the judicial power and distort the Constitution in whatever way you believe helps impose your agenda on the rest of the country.

  • Ruth Thompson

    Clearly MURDER of babies. Even the basic science telss us that to be alive is to take nourishment, to grow, to thrive, & to move about, ALL OF WHICH EVERY BABY DOES IN THE WOMB. It is Americas SHAME to continue “for the love of MONEY” commiting INFANTICIDE just for the sake of convenience. It will be our downfall, God is so angry for this, take a close look at all the environmental disasters taking place, the rising heat. My God! Our children! our soldiers, our doctors, our nurses, our teachers, our lawyers, our leaders, our sons, our daughters, PUT….. in the trash………….(

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