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President Obama Makes False Claim That Planned Parenthood Provides Mammograms in Glamour Magazine

How many times do we have to go through this? Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms! Live Action News has already posted several articles reminding people of this fact, with articles such as this, this, this, this, and this. Other news sites have also reported on it. Casey Mattox, an attorney with Alliance Defending Freedom, even wrote a piece sharing that the Obama administration has stated that Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms. In fact, as Mattox also states in the article, since no Planned Parenthood facility is authorized to perform mammograms, if any such facility were to do so, it would be violating federal law.

Yet one would not know this from reading Obama’s interview with Glamour magazine. The piece starts off by mentioning that the interview discusses reader’s priorities: “first and foremost, jobs and the economy.” However, the third topic discussed is “[b]irth control coverage: [i]t’s become a hot-button issue in the campaign, but 91 percent of you say insurers should cover contraception like any other medication.”

When answering a question about abortion laws, the president criticizes Governor Romney, as he has in the past, by bringing up Romney’s statement to “get rid of Planned Parenthood.” Obama, of course, “said no” to the idea. He then goes on to say this:

Precisely because in many of these states Planned Parenthood is your only possible access to not only abortion but Pap smears, cervical cancer screenings, mammograms. It is a place where women who may not otherwise have the means can take care of their own bodies.

There are a few things wrong with this statement, but the main issue is that the president of the United States should know better, especially when his own administration admits that Planned Parenthood is not authorized to perform mammograms. As a supporter of Planned Parenthood and promoter of their agenda, Obama can certainly find a way to portray Planned Parenthood in a positive light while still being truthful.

Women who read the Glamour interview, if they do no further research about what kind of services Planned Parenthood actually provides, are going to assume that the organization provides mammograms, when in fact it does not. And why should readers not believe the president? We expect the leader of our nation to know what he is talking about and to tell the truth, especially when he speaks with such confidence. Women have falsely been led to believe by their President that Mitt Romney will end federal funding of an organization that provides not just abortion, but also mammograms, and that they have no other place to go.

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ProTruth2

your only possible access to not only abortion but Pap smears, cervical cancer screenings, mammograms.

Access to mammograms, Rebecca. Access To. PP clinics make it
possible to get mammograms by giving referrals, even if they do not
perform them themselves.

Here’s a suggestion: why don’t you play at being a grown-up reporter for
an afternoon, and try calling a couple dozen mammogram centers in a
range of states and telling them that you’re a 22-year-old woman who
wants to get a mammogram. If they schedule you without a referral, then
call your insurance company and see if they’ll pay for a self-referred
mammogram. If the answer to both these questions is “yes,” then you
will have actually demonstrated that PP does not help women get access
to mammograms.

If you find out that, in fact, you do need a referral to get either a
mammogram or to have insurance cover it–well, it’s not as if LiveAction
has ever cared about accurate reporting before.
- http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger
  
  I like how every time you put on one of these whiny “real journalist” charades, it’s always with some claim that other commenters have repeatedly taken the time to explain to you, yet every time you pretend not to know your attacks have been refuted, like you’re brandishing some fresh, new “gotcha.” But hey, fake fact-checkers are all the rage these days, and when the heart of your position is killing innocent babies, you gotta grasp whatever straws you can to feel morally superior.
  - http://twitter.com/janthewordnerd Jan
    
    Since there is a lack of facts in this story, my fact-checking is real.
    - Rebecca Downs
      
      I’m sorry, but there are many links to other articles, including one which is about a fact checker!
      - Expose the lies
        
        Don’t apologize for being truthful and honest–there simply is no need. Too bad the ignorant comments haranguing you and others are based on ideology and not truth. My Dad used to facetiously “Don’t confuse them with the facts–their minds are already made up!”. Sad but true.
  - ProTruth2
    
    it’s always with some claim that other commenters have repeatedly taken the time to explain to you
    
    No, I’ve never seen someone adequately address the question of how referrals figure into mammogram access. Granted, I probably wouldn’t have noticed if you had–I pretty much stopped reading your posts when I realized that you almost certainly have a narcissistic personality disorder that renders you incapable of all but a very limited range of responses. But I did discuss it at some length with one of LiveAction’s dimmer bulbs a while ago, and insofar as she was capable of articulating an argument, she seemed to think that all women in the country should travel to the very few FQHCs that do mammograms on-site, rather than getting a referral from PP and going to the nearest local clinic. Since she had no idea how may FQHCs offer mammograms or where those clinics were located, it was not an effective answer.
    - http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger
      
      “I pretty much stopped reading your posts when I realized that you almost certainly have a narcissistic personality disorder that renders you incapable of all but a very limited range of responses.”
      
      Heh. Just another example of how empty your screen name really is.
      - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1737770702 Katherine Stimpson
        
        Calvin, I hate to be like this, and I do agree with most of what you say, but you can be really mean sometimes.
      - http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger
        
        I believe in being blunt about unethical conduct. That’s not the same as being “mean.”
      - PD
        
        its not exactly the same thing as being civil either… you don’t think that in any of your posts you’ve ever come across as “mean?” not once? sounds like the term narcissism does fit you pretty well…
      - http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger
        
        Civility is overrated, especially when it comes at the expense of truth. People like you and AntiTruth2 exploit arbitrary rules of decorum to be treated with respect no matter how untrue or malicious your own conduct may be.
        
        Bad guys being confronted about their deceit and immorality often think the messengers are being “mean” to them. Not something I lose sleep over.
      - ProTruth2
        
        If this is about my ‘narcissistic personality disorder’ suggestion: that comment was eminently challengeable on logical grounds, not the least of which is that it is impossible to make a psychiatric diagnosis based on blog postings. And yet, rather than making the empirically-defensible counterclaim that I am mistaken, you’re sticking with the unsupportable claim that I am deceitful and malicious. It is as if you are pathologically compelled to respond to any perceived slight to your amour propre with anger and condescension. Fascinating.
      - http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger
        
        Feigning surprise and offense at my not dignifying a manifestly sophomoric smear by elevating it to the level of debate-worthy proposition? And then using my reaction to your smear to prop up said smear?
        
        Really? This is how fully you’re willing to parody yourself?
        
        And no, my comment was about your overall comment history, not just the latest gibberish – a history you seem hell-bent on reinforcing.
      - ProTruth2
        
        Yes, you have an inflated view of your own superiority and feel compelled to express disdain for those you consider inferior, i.e., those who do not share your high opinion of yourself. It’s okay, Calvin. We understand.
      - http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger
        
        So in AntiTruth’s world, only narcissists would call a liar a liar. Got it.
      - PD
        
        take the plank from thine own eye. it really is hard for you to admit you’re wrong on even the slightest scale isn’t it?
      - PD
        
        “People like you and AntiTruth2 exploit arbitrary rules of decorum to be treated with respect no matter how untrue or malicious your own conduct may be.”
        
        you don’t see how you fit into this category yourself?
    - missmissy68
      
      Here’s a thought… why not do the research yourself. Go to your local planned parenthood office and tell them you need a mammogram & see what happens. Then you can report back & let us know what you discovered. I’m not sure why anyone would think that PP has any usefulness past getting an abortion. Any normal person who takes care of themselves in a normal way goes to their primary care doctor on an at-least annual basis. Upon turning 40, that doctor will give them a prescription for a mammogram. And usually, they’re told to go to a breast health center or a radiology lab. No one wakes up one day & says, “gee, i’m 40. Let me now go to my local planned parenthood office & see if i can get a mammogram.” The whole issue is a fake one.
      - Rebecca Downs
        
        Well I think that the President is referring to people who can’t afford or otherwise don’t have access to a primary doctor. But you are certainly correct in that Planned Parenthood is mostly useful for getting an abortion, or talking you into getting one. I do think the issue is a fake one, as you said, not just because people should go to their doctor’s regularly to take care of themselves, but because Planned Parenthood certainly isn’t the only “health care” provider around. There are other clinics and health care service providers for people who can’t afford or can’t get to a primary doctor. Thank you for your insight!
      - Marla
        
        For rural communities, yes, planned parenthood is the only clinic around for pap smears (or is cancer not a thing you guys care about? women’s health? anyone?)
      - Rebecca Downs
        
        Of course we care about women’s health… but the point of what many people are trying to say about Planned Parenthood who are against it, and some of these comments, is that Planned Parenthood’s name is tainted by the fact that it provides abortions and talks women into it…and abortion is not “women’s health.”
- Rebecca Downs
  
  But I don’t think Barack Obama was referring to Planned Parenthood in this way. He wants people to think that they can actually get mammograms at Planned Parenthood. Why doesn’t he just say mammogram referrals then? As I stated, “As a supporter of Planned Parenthood and promoter of their agenda, Obama can certainly find a way to portray Planned Parenthood in a positive light while still being truthful.” Except the President doesn’t do that, he makes false claims so that unsuspecting people will believe that Planned Parenthood truly provides mammograms.
  
  We do care about accurate reporting here. It’s the President who does not. If he really wanted to portray the organization in a truthful light, he would use the term “mammogram referrals.” Cecile Richards and all the other people speaking for Planned Parenthood would too,,,
  
  Except they don’t, because they likely just want to demonize Republicans and those with anti-Planned Parenthood sentiments as people who want to get rid of a mammogram provider…
  - http://twitter.com/janthewordnerd Jan
    
    Yes, he was. He understands, unlike Becky here, that NO PHYSICIAN DOES MAMMOGRAMS. They send out to imaging centers. Hello?
  - ProTruth2
    
    But I don’t think Barack Obama was referring to Planned Parenthood in this way.
    
    I know that you think this, and I’m sure you think it very sincerely. But thinking something doesn’t make it true. Do I sincerely believe, for example, that Calvin has a narcissistic personality disorder? Absolutely. But the sincerity of my belief is not proof that I am correctly interpreting the evidence. And I’ve never really seen you provide any support for your interpretation about the President or PP in general: you simply insist that it is true because you know it is true.
    
    We do care about accurate reporting here. It’s the President who does
    not. If he really wanted to portray the organization in a truthful
    light, he would use the term “mammogram referrals.”
    
    You should differentiate between “Not telling the truth” and “Not using the words that Rebecca thinks should be used.” The President’s goal in the Glamor interview was not to explain the workings of the cancer screening process to people who do not understand it. Rather, his goal was to assert that Planned Parenthood plays a role in the comprehensive health care of many women, and because Live Action has never attempted to obtain the services that PP provides from another provider, it has not demonstrated that women do not need PP to access those services. (The most that LiveAction has ever done is to point to a single example, or in the case of a recent posting, two examples. Two examples are not a sufficient sample size to make assertions about health services nationwide.)
    
    The President’s wording in the debate the other night was definitely sloppier than in the Glamor magazine. Even so, imprecise wording is not a evidence of intent to deceive. If you want to see intent to deceive, look at LiveAction’s front page, where they have assigned the title”Video Shows Planned Parenthood Offering Sex-selective Abortion” to a video that does not show a Planned Parenthood clinic.
    - Rebecca Downs
      
      When the President makes it sound though as if Planned Parenthood provides mammograms, and does so in many instances, he is spreading a falsehood and a lie. While Planned Parenthood may play “a role in comprehensive health care of many women,” it certainly loses credibility when it advocates for and performs abortion. Karen Handel’s book title describes the organization fittingly with her book title “Planned Bullyhood.” This is an organization so desperate to defend itself that it goes after any who criticize them and has the President of the United States, who should know better, repeating a falsehood in order to make the organization sound so much more amazing than it really is. If that’s not deceiving the American people, I don’t know what is… and an article referring to Abby Johnson, who used to be a director of a Planned Parenthood has emphasized that Planned Parenthood is never the only place to go, ever. In places where Planned Parenthood was de-funded, it was stated that if Planned Parenthood stopped providing abortions, they would be funded. But the organization refuses to. And in Texas? Planned Parenthood and its allied forces were willing to shut down a whole program for women and infants because they got upset that they weren’t included in such a program, which explicitly stated it was because of abortions.
      http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/obama-is-living-in-planned-parenthoods-pocket-fmr.-abortion-clinic-director
      While you may have an optimistic view of the President, I’m not granting him the benefit of the doubt. Imprecise wording every time is more likely purposefully trying to make the organization sound better than it is, so that people who are against Planned Parenthood and want to expose the truth are demonized and portrayed as being against cancer screenings. No, we’re against organizations that lie, deceive, provide shady care and kill millions of unborn children. It’s hilarious that you find Live Action so deceptive, but I guess it’s unfortunately not surprising. Several of their videos show Planned Parenthood clinics. There was one video that showed NAF clinics in the state of Arizona.
- ProRealTruth
  
  The point is that the president makes PP sound like they’re a “one stop shop” for female healthcare needs. Many clinics have imaging available in house, and PP made it sound like that’s what they were doing. If they are so squeaky clean and wish to help women, why aren’t they doing this? Not just a cutsie referral, but actual imaging on site.
  
  How many aspects of women’s health are they missing? Quite a bit. Their focus are abortions, and PP is a freaky business to encourage women to turn to for healthcare. PP needs to be what they’re selling or for crying out loud be honest about what you are. PP whining is like hearing McDonalds claim how healthy their food is. Women deserve a safe place for healthcare, and the president, any president, should not be supporting PP.
  - Rebecca Downs
    
    I certainly agree with that. And the issue doesn’t just have to do all with mammograms, as you yourself mention. The fact of the matter is that Planned Parenthood is also not the only place for women, or anyone, to get their health care needs, and is not a “one stop shop” as you mention.
    
    The larger issue is not so much then that Planned Parenthood not only doesn’t provide actual mammograms (though that is an issue), but that the organization, and the President of the United States, actually claim to sell the organization for a lot more than what it really is, a place for such amazing health care, when its real focus is abortion. Notice how they say things like oh, not just abortion, but all these great cancer screenings. Again, it is because it is to demonize Republicans and others who are against Planned Parenthood, making it sound like they are against “health care.”
  - Oops
    
    Their focus IS abortion. You should focus on using proper English.
    - Oopsy
      
      Look at the s on the end of ‘abortion.’ They don’t want just ONE per woman, they want them coming back again and again. Nice try, though.
    - Issme
      
      Soooo… Your ONLY retort is a grammatical error?
      - tell the truth
        
        Liberals are al the same. Keep telling the same lies over and over in hopes that people will believe them, ignore facts , logic and reason, and when that doesn’t work–resort to name-calling. I will pray for you to wake up out of the misguided stupor you are in and really care about the truth.
      - the whole truth
        
        wait a second, i didn’t know Todd Akin was a liberal…
    - PD
      
      you do realize that the majority of people on the internet are not native English speakers, right? so you need to focus on not giving Americans a bad name by making fun of someone’s honest mistakes or their grasp of our language. egotist.
JennJ

He must think if he keeps telling these lies enough that someone will believe him. They know they are in big trouble so they are trying everything they can to make themselves look like they are offering legitimate women’s health services like mammograms instead of what they really are an abortion chain.

But the truth will ALWAYS come out and it will always win! Keep up the good work and telling the truth Rebecca and Live Action! You have the truth and what is right on your side!

God willing we will see Obama out of the White House and Planned Parenthood Defunded in the very near future! It’s time for women to know the truth and for the government to start supporting medical providers that actually help women and their children not kill one and ruin the other’s life.
http://voiceforhope.blogspot.com/
- PD
  
  i really love this quote from voltaire, and i’ve posted it here before when someone has claimed to have “the Truth”
  
  “Cherish those who seek the truth but beware of those who find it.”
http://twitter.com/janthewordnerd Jan

First, there is no such law blocking PP from providing mammograms. They do have mobile units deploying to some affiliates. For the others, they do what EVERY OTHER PROVIDER DOES and that is to send patients to imaging centers with paperwork to direct for billing. I don’t know how many times you people need to be told this stuff. NO ONE ever said Planned Parenthood does mammograms in every clinic. What they do are manual breast exams, and for those patients who are thought to need mammography, they send them to a radiology clinic for a mammogram. Simple as that. Please PLEASE stop perpetuating this ridiculous meme.
- Rebecca Downs
  
  The only one that’s perpetuating anything is President Obama, Cecile Richards, and their allies… Planned Parenthood cannot provide mammograms, and are not authorized to do so. If they did, they would actually be breaking the law… if they do what every other provider does, then they need to say that! They need to stop putting forth this glorious lie that they provide mammograms and making it seem like women won’t be able to get mammograms ever again if Planned Parenthood were to close.
Detroiter327

So this article is not based on what the President actually said but your intuitive guesswork on his agenda? His phrasing was 100% air tight. We can all agree that PP does not provide in office mammograms, as you admit below the President never said that . But we can agree that PP does provide ACCESS to mammograms in the forms of prescriptions, which is why our President said exactly that. That cannot be debated. As @ProTruth2:disqus and others have mentioned (to no avail apparently) getting a mammogram without a prescription (esp at a young age) is a difficult and costly process. Lets also not forget the millions of other cancer screenings PP does in the form of pap smears.
- PD
  
  5 days later, more downvotes than upvotes, and zero replies refuting you. i’m gonna call that a win.
  - Rebecca Downs
    
    We can’t just call it a win because I didn’t notice this comment to respond to it, and for that I am sorry.
    
    We should be able to all agree that Planned Parenthood does not provide mammograms. His phrasing was not 100% air tight, for he made it seem like women can actually get mammograms at these clinics. He’s hiding behind his phrasing.
    
    I never denied it was difficult, so I wouldn’t say its to no avail. But Planned Parenthood is not a “one stop” or the “only place” to get these things done. Sure, offerings of pap smears are good, but when this place mostly operates in providing and advocating for abortion, for any reason and late into term, and operates in lies, I cannot overlook it for some of the good that they do.
    - PD
      
      no need to apologize at all if that’s the case. i merely thought that detroiter had a fantastic point and i was wondering if nobody responded because it was such a great point and they had difficulty finding any flaws with it.
      
      wait, was that a sarcastic apology? i hope not, because if so my respect for you (and yes, i really do have respect for you, i just ardently disagree with your position) would drop tremendously.
      - Rebecca Downs
        
        Hey, I did not see this til now! If you knew me in person, you would not that it is not a sarcastic apology, lol! I tend to over apologize, since I would rather be over apologetic than insensitive. Nevertheless, my apologies are still sincere.
        
        And I very much appreciate the respect among disagreement, so thank you for that.
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http://twitter.com/UncleKenC Ken Colditz

Obama will always lie and mislead. It is the Democrat way. Obama is a narcissistic idiot who expects everyone to love and trust his every word. The Democrat party is full of Sheeple who will vote for Obama, because they are lazy, uneducated and lack the intelligence to think for themselves. If you research the media you know this is a fact.
- Timmehh
  
  Wow. You know a great way to get people on our side? Not call half the country lazy and stupid.
  - http://twitter.com/UncleKenC Ken Colditz
    
    Then what would you call them? I met lots of these people, you can’t argue with an idiot. But the smarter ones listen and agree.
- PD
  
  haha, i don’t think you know what fact means…
  - http://twitter.com/UncleKenC Ken Colditz
    
    Explain it to me then?
http://www.facebook.com/micaiah.bilger Micaiah Bilger

I actually wrote to CNN a few weeks ago about a column on their website that said Planned Parenthood provides mammograms. I asked them to correct the error, and they did. Sometimes, we just need to – kindly – draw the journalist’s attention to the matter and request a correction.
- Rebecca Downs
  
  Good for you for taking an initiative! I wish it were only that easy… kudos to you for correcting a major news outlet, so that hopefully those who read that column won’t believe a lie that Planned Parenthood provides mammograms. But when we have the President of the United States, and of Planned Parenthood making this false claim, people are going to believe that claim, since the president of our country and of the organization should hopefully know what they’re talking about… I don’t think it’s just that friendly reminders are needed, but rather that the lie needs to be curbed from the top down so that these errors won’t be made so often.
  - http://www.facebook.com/micaiah.bilger Micaiah Bilger
    
    Agreed. But writing to news outlets is one way we can make a difference — if only a small one.
- Tell the truth
  
  Too bad their corrections are covered up and not made public like the misstatements or outright lies. How many people will hear from mainstream media about this correction?
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PD

here is another false claim: Republican Rep. Joe Walsh (Ill.) said Thursday that abortions are “absolutely” never necessary to save the lives of pregnant women. “With modern technology and science, you can’t find one instance,” Walsh said. “There is no such exception as life of the mother, and as far as health of the mother, same thing.”

Walsh said something offensive, wrong, and claimed he has science to back him up. Obama said something undeniably wrong, though mistakenly. i expect your outrage at Walsh to at least match your outrage at Obama. probably expecting too much, aren’t i?

do we dare bring up another false claim (beaten to death, but incredibly offensive) made by one Todd Akin?
- Rebecca Downs
  
  Actually, you’re “expecting too much” because that claim is not false. That claim was made in reference to a group of doctors stating that abortions are never necessary to save the life of the mother.
  
  There’s no reason to compare these “claims” and bring in Todd Akin either. Todd Akin did indeed make a false and stupid statement, which he apologized for. Obama’s statement is a promoted falsehood, and this Republican Rep. Joe Walsh is speaking about an actual declaration from doctors… in fact, Live Action News has reported on it:
  
  http://liveactionnews.org/international/dublin-declaration-abortion-is-not-medically-necessary/
  - PD
    
    ok, i admit it, you (and Walsh) are right. there is never ever a medically necessary need for abortion…as long as you discount ectopic pregnancies, preeclampsia, chemotherapy, trauma, heart disease, toxoplasmosis, hemorrhaging due to placenta issues, diabetes, and every other time an abortion is medically necessary. and i guess we’ll just pretend that therapeutic abortions aren’t really abortions while we’re at it.
    
    and by the way, they say that it sometimes IS medically necessary to remove the fetus, resulting in its death, they just choose not to call it an abortion. they say:
    
    “We uphold that there is a fundamental difference between abortion and necessary medical treatments that are carried out to save the life of the mother, even if such treatment results in the loss of life of her unborn child.”
    
    sounds like an abortion to me… also, their findings don’t hold much weight, especially given their backgrounds of being pro-life and involvement in pro-life events in the past.
    - Rebecca Downs
      
      Well an ectopic pregnancy is different, and I do stand by that. And wow, so clever to say that their findings don’t hold much weight given that they happen to be pro life and have been involved in pro life movements in the past? It’s not going to gain you any friends by discrediting a group of people based on how they disagree with you…
      
      I’m not even saying I’m against abortion to save the life of the mother… and I wouldn’t call it abortion either, at least not in the sense that people get abortions for reasons which are, quite frankly, selfish. Such a procedure is done in a hospital and certainly not at a clinic like Planned Parenthood, and I would absolutely describe it as the quote above,
      
      To quote an article about ectopic pregnancies:
      
      “But Smyth said that medical experts have advised her group that the only life-threatening situation early in pregnancy that normally results in the un-intended death of the unborn child is an ectopic pregnancy. This medical situation, however, is not possible to “treat” using chemical abortion techniques, or even surgical abortion techniques. The only treatment that will save the life of the mother is the surgical removal of the fallopian tube, which is not an abortion, and cannot be conducted in an abortion facility.”
      http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/marie-stopes-opens-illegal-abortion-facility-in-belfast
      - PD
        
        just because the symposium consisted of doctors doesn’t mean they are immune to belief bias regarding abortion. if the symposium consisted of strictly pro-choice doctors involved in the cause, their findings may be the exact opposite. they came into it believing a certain thing and the conclusions they reached are simply because of their cognitive biases. and that is why they hold little weight. i hold that i discredit them because they disagree with me, but because they are biased and the conclusions they reach merely fit with their previously held beliefs (i.e. confirmation bias).
        
        and to say one instance is abortion but one instance isn’t, is a manipulation of semantics. in your second paragraph you seem to admit that you feel there are in fact times when an abortion would save the life of the mother (even if you choose not to call it what it is–an abortion). it sounds like even you are disagreeing with the findings of the symposium that you ardently defend. its an abortion if done by PP, but not if done by a hospital? that doesn’t fit with any definition of abortion that i know of.
        
        just because you WANT ectopic pregnancies to be “different” doesn’t mean they ARE. and then what about all of the other medical conditions i listed? they are clearly instances where the health of the mother could be in danger and sometimes there really is no other option than abortion. you ignore all of the other reasons why the symposium is flat out wrong and only focus on ectopic pregnancies.
        
        oh how selfish (your word) of those mothers who abort to save their own life. better they die, right?
      - Rebecca Downs
        
        To address the word usage of selfish, which I indeed did use, I would like to make it abundantly clear that I don’t think women who is looking to save her life rather than die is selfish. I mean women who consented to sex and who didn’t use birth control or who used birth control and it failed and then just decided hey, even though I know sex causes babies, I’m too worried about whatever else is going on in my life and am just going to get rid of this
        “problem” this pregnancy is causing me by getting an abortion to get rid of the baby. While I understand and have sympathy for women in crisis pregnancy situations, I very much do see these reasons for getting an abortion, which is the overwhelming majority of reasons, as more selfish than rape, incest, life/health of the mother.
        
        Now while I try to post what I mean and make sense of what I mean so that other people can make sense of it too, I am not afraid to say that I was perhaps fuzzy in my wording or making sense. In my articles I represent an organization and have a duty to them. While I am not saying I don’t have a duty here, the conversational tone of comments is different, and sometimes we don’t always explain things the way that we want to explain them.
        
        Perhaps this article can explain better/best what I meant. It describes the abortion situation in Ireland and about the health of the mother exception. It’s also why I think of ectopic pregnancies differently and may help explain why I don’t think if a mother’s life is really to be saved, she should be at a hospital, not at a Planned Parenthood:
        
        “It reveals that the Institute of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists have already testified that treatment for ectopic pregnancy, cancer, pre-eclampsia and other conditions arising in pregnancy are not considered abortion by the profession since there is no intent to harm the unborn child.
        
        It also points out that a major medical review showed that Irish women are never denied medical treatment in Ireland for any condition arising in pregnancy, regardless of our ban on abortion.
        
        And it calls for zero tolerance on misinforming women – because abortion campaigners have been allowed to spin, lie and scaremonger on this issue for too long. The misinformation stops today.
        
        The Life Institute website has a wealth of information available on the issues raised and viewers are asked to visit the site to learn more. They can read the expert testimony of Professor John Bonnar, who told a parliamentary committee that:
        
        “It would never cross an obstetrician’s mind that intervening in a case of pre-eclampsia, cancer of the cervix or ectopic pregnancy is abortion. They are not abortion as far as the professional is concerned, these are medical treatments that are essential to save the life of the mother.”
        
        http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/no-more-lies-new-irish-video-shows-that-abortion-never-saves-a-mothers-life?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f393d920cf-LifeSiteNews_com_US_Headlines_10_23_2012&utm_medium=email
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