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‘Another boy!’ Planned Parenthood staff sifts through aborted ‘baby parts’ in new tape

CONTENT WARNING: This article contains screenshots below of Planned Parenthood staff sorting body parts such as kidney and heart from an 11-week human fetus.

Planned Parenthood once again finds itself at the center of scandal as new undercover footage was released today by The Center for Medical Progress. The tapes, which are dated April 7, 2015, show staff from Planned Parenthood’s Rocky Mountains affiliate, located in Denver, Colorado, engaging in negotiations over human fetal body parts.

The video opens with a negotiation between Vice President and Medical Director of Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains Dr. Savita Ginde and a potential buyer for fetal body parts. Ginde is seen saying, “I know I’ve seen livers, I’ve seen stomachs, I’ve seen plenty of neural tissue. Usually you can see the whole brain usually come out.”

To preserve the organs, Ginde says that “we’d have to do a little bit of training” to ensure staff “didn’t crush” the parts that were wanted. Ginde warned about legal risks saying “if you have someone in a really anti [abortion] state that’s going to be doing this for you, they’re probably going to get caught.” She continued that they told their lawyer that, “we don’t want to get called on selling fetal parts across states.”

The video then cuts to the laboratory where a Planned Parenthood technician can be seen sorting through parts of aborted babies. Dr. Ginde tells the prospective buyer that they would likely structure the arrangement on a “per item,” rather than a flat fee:  “I think a per-item thing works a little better, just because we can see how much we can get out of it.”

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Planned Parenthood staff examine the human fetal remains following an abortion at 11 weeks.

During the parts sorting process of child terminated in the first trimester, Ginde notes, “Here’s a stomach, kidney, heart.” She further explains that the second trimester babies are “so big” that they won’t “be as war-torn.” An unnamed technician later exclaims, “and another boy!” after finding a body section with legs.

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Video screenshot of Planned Parenthood technician sorting body parts of an aborted baby.

Live Action President Lila Rose issued a strong statement blasting the unethical and improper behavior of Planned Parenthood:

Even as more tapes emerge of top-level Planned Parenthood executives bartering and negotiating over the parts of aborted children, our nation will fund Planned Parenthood with over 1.4 million dollars today alone.

As the outrage only continues to grow, Congress and the President must act immediately to stop the forced taxpayer funding of these horrific and barbaric facilities.

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In the first tape, which has been viewed almost 3 million times, Planned Parenthood Senior Medical Director Dr. Deborah Nucatola discusses the potential sale of fetal body parts which is illegal under federal law. The punishment for such an act is fines and/or up to 10 years in prison. This video is embedded below:

Future videos from inside Planned Parenthood are expected as David Daleiden, Project Lead for The Center for Medical Progress, told Sean Hannity’s radio program Tuesday that: “We have close to 300 hours total of undercover video that was gathered during a 30 month long in depth investigative journalism study of how Planned Parenthood sells the body parts of the babies they abort.”

In response to the videos, Planned Parenthood President Cecile Richards apologized saying “the tone was terribly wrong” but stated that her organization was innocent. In the interview she refrained from addressing the specific statements by Planned Parenthood directors that appear to violate U.S. law. Richards also blasted the first two videos as being “highly edited” although full, unedited tapes were released alongside shortened versions that highlighted key interactions.

Planned Parenthood has also hired SKDKnickerbocker, a high-powered crisis management firm, which distributed a memo to reporters asking them to not show the video to protect the privacy of patients. In our review, no Planned Parenthood patients were seen on the tapes.

Over half a dozen state investigations have been launched into Planned Parenthood’s actions with the Texas State Senate health and human services committee holding a hearing Tuesday. Planned Parenthood was asked to testify but refused to attend.

Congress is also conducting its own investigation and a measure was introduced in the U.S. Senate by Joni Ernst, Rand Paul, and James Lankford to defund Planned Parenthood of taxpayer support. Senator Lankford remarked that, “It is time for federal taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood to end and let community health centers use that funding to provide health care services for those in greatest need.”

  • Taylor_is_a_sexy_BEAST

    This video make me cry. Is anyone else shaking after seeing that?

    • YouHateMe

      My stomach flops and I have a cast iron one.

    • Noc

      Planned Parenthood not only needs to be defunded but shut down permanently and their workers put in prisons and to death if they actively participated in this atrocity.

      • Robbie Gorman

        It’s fake u idiot

        • sad GML

          I think we all know who the idiot is here.

        • Basset_Hound

          @spam

        • Joe Michael

          Caitlin Jenner is fake you idiot.
          Unborn children are hashed to pieces in their mothers womb. Sex out of the safety and security of marriage is encouraged in the young so that Planned Parenthood can get money from You the tax payer for each child aborted. This is the reality of this industry folks, you pay for it!!!!

          • Tim Duncan

            Abortion and birth control cheaper than Medicaid and food stamps. Plus it frees up the girl to go to college. Win/win.

          • Get A Grip

            “I’ve noticed how those that are for abortion have already been born.” ~Ronald Reagan

          • DannoDISQ

            That is demonstrative of the lack of reality in people who can say without a doubt, fetuses are merely lumps of trash, but yet valuable as body parts for sale.

          • Ialcala

            What about people who commit suicide? They probably wish they were never born.

          • KA

            Says Mr Alzeheimers who couldnt wrote a speech to save his life. He actually thought he served in the war and all he did was commercials for it.

          • Linda S Canter

            Yes, later in life he developed that disease … On everything else your wrong and an idiot…….

          • Andrew

            “…couldn’t wrote a speech…” LOL,

          • KA

            This from a man who thiught he actually served in the war rather than just playing a soldier on tv

          • KA

            Allowed abortion as CA Gov.; didn’t push pro-life as Pres.

            Reagan was not as obsessive about anti-abortion legislation as he often seemed. Early in his California governorship he had signed a permissive abortion bill that has resulted in more than a million abortions. Afterward, he inaccurately blamed this outcome on doctors, saying that they had deliberately misinterpreted the law. When Reagan ran for president, he won backing from pro-life forces by advocating a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother. Reagan’s stand was partly a product of political calculation, as was his tactic after he was elected of addressing the annual pro-life rally held in Washington by telephone so that he would not be seen with the leaders of the movement on the evening news. While I do not doubt Reagan’s sincerity in advocating an anti-abortion amendment, he invested few political resources toward obtaining this goal.
            Source: The Role of a Lifetime, by Lou Cannon, p. 812 , Jul 2, 1991

          • Get A Grip

            population control for mere convenience? Please start with yourself.

          • Tim Duncan

            I am using birth control… and if you don’t like abortion, don’t get one. No one is forcing anyone to have an abortion. No one is forcing anyone to donate to science.

          • pinksugar

            Just Wish that poor defenseless baby got a say in it.. but just look away and it will all be over soon right? Hurry up and get right back to a care – free life!

          • Tim Duncan

            Suppose the woman did not get an abortion. We would trust that she would do a great job in raising that kid.

            Suppose she did not want any kids and her birth control failed. Can we trust her decision that she does not want or cannot raise a kid? Does her decision matter at all?

          • Travis Taylor

            What are you saying? That a “wanted” child has more inherit value than an “unwanted” one? If the value of human life is only measured by the value someone else puts on it, than why not annihilate all the homeless??!! Why don’t we just do away with people who are the “burdens” in society?
            Seriously man… THINK about what you’re saying!

          • Tim Duncan

            A planned pregnancy and wanted child has much more worth and will more likely get the resources to thrive. An unplanned, unwanted pregnancy could lower the lifetime potential of the woman whom also has value. Forcing the woman to birth the child statistically lowers the potential of both.

            In an ideal world, birth control would have no side effects, perfect efficacy, foolproof, and abortions would be extremely rare (but still safe and legal).

          • James

            All children have equal worth! You would do well to learn that!

          • Kathie Forney

            Forcing a woman to have an unplanned child lowers the woman’s lifetime potential? Really? Maybe or maybe not. I had an unplanned pregnancy at 16. My daughter is now a college graduate, 38-year old wife and mother of two perfect children as well as a talented preschool teacher. I went on to finish high school at the top of my class, graduated college cum laude at age 22 while going to school full time and working full time. I have started 3 successful companies, raised two more “planned” children, and thank God I made the decision to keep my baby. That decision forced me to grow up, accept responsibility, and make the most of my life. My potential soared due to the impact of being a young parent. Don’t listen to excuses like “statistically lowers the potential of both”.

          • CailynAlexis

            I really admire your strength. <3

          • Eponymous1

            GREAT story, Kathie. Life is what we make of it. Yours is good, because YOU made it so.

            Ooops, apologies. The party line is: “you didn’t build that.”

          • KA

            No YOU did not build the road that leads to,your business, nor the power lines, the elec power plant, the water plant, the overhead elec lines, etc. It was community tax dollars that did that and that maintain them. Oh, and helped build that college Kathy went to, and prob supportd the day care she used while working full,time and going to school full time ( roughly 15 hours a day right there) with a child that was going to,school full time at a school,paid for by community dollars.

          • Eponymous1

            Let me guess… government did all that, right? Oh, they used private contractors. Paid with money taken from private citizens. Otherwise, great point, though.

          • Tim Duncan

            Congratulations on the success and life choices Kathie. However most likely there was a network of help. Probably family or close friends assisted in child care so you could continue school.

            Take all the supporting network away and school seems a bit further away and a bit more impossible. Everyone’s situation is different and projecting your own personal narrative may not apply to them.

          • Sarah B

            There HAD to be a network of help…and even then, it’s still hard to believe.

          • Elwyn Gaussiran

            Hey Tim. Be glad your mother was pro-life!

          • Sarah B

            Kathie you are so full of it. No human works full time, goes to school full time, raises their child (which means, you spend time with the child), and graduates cum laude…tell us, what did you major in?

          • Kathie Forney

            I married at 16 to the father of my daughter and finished high school. His family was poor but my parents, who were almost done raising 6 kids, helped with childcare while I finished high school and worked part time at a nursing home and seasonal jobs during holidays at a department store. I divorced at 19, moved back home with my parents and dedicated my time to a full time job in the business office of a clinic with night classes at the local junior college. I was able to finish college in 4-1/2 years by going year round, including summers and mini semesters. My last year I worked full time and took all of my classes at night. I got college credit for working (3 hours) and never took extra hours that didn’t count toward my degree which is a BS in Petroleum Land Management at Univ of Houston in Dec 1982. Cum laude. My daughter was 5 years old at my graduation. I have had a wonderful, loving relationship with her and she never went without knowing she was a treasure. After college I got a full time job and an apartment and it was just the two of us until I remarried when she was 15. I don’t fault you for calling me a liar, but feel sorry that you don’t surround yourself with positive people with “can do” attitudes. I know a lot of people who work full time and go to school full time. Granted, Tim, I had help, but I was also not participating in government assistance. My point here, guys, is that there are lots of choices other than abortion. I gave up a more traditional teen and college

          • Kathie Forney

            Experience, and worked hard to get back on track, but I was rewarded with the joys of parenthood. I got my initial pregnancy test at a PP whose “counselor” tried to talk me into getting an abortion. It never occurred to me and I was stunned.

          • Elwyn Gaussiran

            I’m glad you were able to clear your head from the BS fed to you by PP. Kudos to you on taking the narrow path.

          • Sarah B

            Don’t feel sorry for me. I went back to college with three kids, no husband or family to help with the childcare or expenses (unless you want to count $240 a month child support which didn’t even pay for child care), and managed to earn a AB, MA, and a PhD. Full-time school, part-time work, full time single parent.
            Then I watched every single student of mine who tried to work full-time and go to school full-time crash and burn. Yeah, you had a lot of help and really should give much of the credit to those who kept your kid for you.
            Furthermore, I am NOT pro-abortion, but I would never PRESUME to know what is best for another woman…especially since poor women are more likely to opt for abortions and I know what it’s like to be a dirt-poor single mom.

          • Tim Duncan

            Keep in mind that the options and choices presented to you were awesome but may not apply to someone else.

            What if the father ran off? If you only had a single mother raising you on minimum wage and living in section 8. These are scenarios that nether of us have experienced but exist in every state. Personally I could never tell a woman that she must bare a child, no matter what. I do not know her or her scenario. What if she loves crack cocaine or meth?

          • Kimberly Guse

            Tim you said the key word – “choices” everyone should have a choice of what they do with their life and their body. Every persons life and situations are different. Instead of all the fighting and spending money on the fight for both end, let’s put the money into research on how we can implant the unwanted “fetus” or whatever u want to call it into a person who wants to carry it for 9 months or who can physically carry it without risking their life! Then both sides will be happy as no more abortions (or at least drastically reduced) and those who can’t conceive will be able to carry a child.

          • Heather

            I believe your story. My parents were 17 & 19 when I was born. My dad worked full-time at a deli while putting himself through an ivy league college, being a husband and father. He has a Master’s degree and has been very successful. He did not come from money and his dad died when I was a year old. I had my first child when I was 19 and temporarily utilized public assistance to get me through business school so I could get a decent job and my own apt. I worked to support my child from that point on and provide for her. My daughter is now grown and a joy and a blessing. I get tired of hearing the worst case scenarios cited all the time. Teen parents can manage to raise their children well and have successful lives.

          • KA

            The point Kathy is that initially you inferred you did all of everything in your life by yourself. Those that have babies at 16 often have NO support sytem like parents, in laws and such like you obviously did. Lots of people,do,go to,school ft and work ft and all,of them, if they have kids, have help. Lots of people work ft and go to school ft too.i did it and I know it leaves little time for anything else much less a child.

            But with BC free to everyone no one need make that decision. You folks on the right want NO free BC…..for anyone…….it works wonders for stopping or reducing the number of abortions.

          • judy

            Kathie, I applaud you and your family! I’m sure you were scared BUT YOU DID the right thing, by yourself, your family and your child. I would rather pay ten times more in taxes then have one cent given to PP. Even if you had had government assistant that make you no less human, or your baby no less human. There are plenty of low lives that suck the system dry who could get out there and bust their tail too. Those hating on you, do not have the ambition you have had. I too know a lot of people who work full time and go to school full time. Guess the people we surround ourselves with are not here for a hand out.

          • Shannon Callahan

            Sorry, but I see women all of the time who work, go to school and raise children. An amazing lady that was in school with me full time had 2 kids, 2 jobs and went to school at night. She was the exception, not the rule of course. But proof that it can be done. I had 2 kids at 17 and an abusive husband. Dropped out at the beginning of 10th grade. Got divorced, worked bartending for awhile. But I wanted my children to have a better life so I joined the Navy and EARNED my education. My daughter is not 29, graduated college, has a wonderful 5 year old and her and her husband opened their own restaurant 6 years ago. People are capable of amazing things.

          • RoyalEF

            Wow, mom by 17 and it didn’t interrupt your school, and a four year run at college. All by yourself. No mention in your “glory to me” story about who was caring and paying for your baby while you went to full time school and then four years of college. All on the earnings of a high school student?? Amazing you paid for your college!! The thankfulness you show to the people, the village, around you who literally paid the price so your baby didn’t interrupt your life too much… it is amazing. But as the next poster infers–you did it all on your own.

          • Kathie Forney

            Mom at 16, Royal EF. Divorced at 19. I was addressing the person who accused me of lying about my accomplishments. I used to give my parents a lot of credit for helping me, but they encouraged me not to as most young girls would have just forgone college or even a high school diploma in that situation. Or taken government assistance. I also didn’t mention that my husband, the father of my daughter, was a deadbeat that was ten years older, but had no drive and was willing to not work and live on government assistance. This is why I divorced him. When I was 16, I was going to school, keeping a home, cooking from scratch, walking to the grocery store and laundry because I didn’t have a car, and working part time at the local nursing home. And taking care of my daughter and a husband. What were you doing at the age of 16?

          • Taylor Byler

            Congratulations, but your story is an anomaly. And also, it isn’t about unplanned pregnancies, we are talking about UNWANTED pregnancies

          • KA

            They said COULD lower….you may have beaten the statistics or had a well off family that could support you.

          • prolifemama

            Your argument was proven facetious within a few years of Roe v. Wade’s implementation. The vast majority of abused children were PLANNED pregnancies.

            The mindset that appeared to develop due to legalized abortion was “Hey, if it’s legal for me to kill my kid before s/he’s born, why can’t I smack her/him around after s/he’s born?”

          • ed herrick

            You’re still retarded. So is your morally bankrupt argument.

          • prolifemama

            Wrong, Tim. Every human being is inherently valuable simply because we are human. Or no one is.

          • Joe Michael

            Tim you are the kind of a jerk that would knock a girl up and then tell her to deal with it and leave. There are so many people on this site that are telling you that you are a pig but you don’t get it. You just want to be seen as practical Tim!! Well to create and maintain a civilized world means that we must treat each other in a civilized manner that means to respect a girl and marry her before you sleep with her and if you create a child together you raise it together and don’t kill it. Sure things don’t always work out this way, but to go out of your way to create a dysfunctional world is a sickness on your part and all those who reason away the illogical of preying on the weakest and most fragile in society, the ones that the strong should protect.

          • PJ4

            Forcing the woman to birth the child statistically lowers the potential of both.

            Citation please

          • Tim Duncan

            Here you go: “Thirty percent of all teenage girls who drop out of school cite pregnancy and parenthood as key reasons”

            link: http://www.ncsl.org/research/health/teen-pregnancy-affects-graduation-rates-postcard.aspx

          • PJ4

            That’s not even half.
            I’m concerned about the other 60% too.

            We should be working on ways to help these girls go back to school, not helping them kill their babies.

          • JenA

            Pregnancy should not be a reason to drop out of school. Parenthood has its challenges without support. So it sounds like pride was more of a factor. Pregnant women are capable of school/work. Perhaps if the girls were encouraged to make the most of their education as long as possible that would put them that much further ahead. Girls have options, not necessarily easy ones.

            Can’t help but think if girls didn’t have abortion as an option society may gave to start doing more to encourage abstinence, responsibility, and worry less about adding in sexual standards across subjects to the education system. Our whole system is broken. Removing natural consequences doesn’t seem like a smart option.

          • nothanks
          • PJ4

            Outdated

          • nothanks

            So somehow the quality of life for unwanted children has improved? I would like to see a citation for that.

            Ok how about this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-a-grimes/abortion-denied-consequences-for-mother-and-child_b_6926988.html

            or instead of studies how about reading about the lives of unwanted children from unwanted children…

            http://www.experienceproject.com/stories/Was-An-Unwanted-Child/684952

            Don’t believe in abortion that’s your choice, but being an unwanted child I would have rather been aborted and I know many others who feel that way. I’m not saying all unwanted children end up with terrible lives but the sad fact is that the majority of us do.

          • PJ4

            So somehow the quality of life for unwanted children has improved? I would like to see a citation for that.
            I never said that… you just assumed it. But the solution isn’t killing these children.

            I’m suspect of any “study” conducted by former PP doctors, like Grimes.

            I’m sorry for you. I hope you find peace.
            Please know that the world is a better place for having you in it and I’m glad to have made your acquaintance
            *hugs*
            That is all.

          • nothanks

            I don’t need you to feel sorry for me I’m a big girl now and know that no-one will ever step in to save you. I understand that as an adult. As a child not so much. The world is definitely not better for having me in it. I am fortunately not a violent criminal, but as a drug addict I am a criminal nonetheless.
            Pro-existence supporters say that there are no unwanted babies and that’s just not true. You can force a woman to give birth, but you cannot force her to love her child. If you got your way and they made abortion illegal where is the extra funding going to come from for the additional drain on already scare resources
            Welfare system,
            Adult correctional facilities
            Juvenile correctional facilities
            Public rehab facilities
            Public mental health facilities
            Medical facilities
            Foster Care/Group homes
            Child Protective Services/social workers
            There will be an increased need for all of these services and if you/others are not willing to increase taxes ect.. to provide the additional funding then that isn’t pro-life it’s pro-existence

          • PJ4

            I will respectfully have to disagree with you. People do step in to save others.
            You know, some of the biggest drug users I know, were desperately wanted children from moderate to wealthy families.

            And to answer your question: once PP is defunded, those millions of dollars can go to :

            Welfare system,
            Adult correctional facilities
            Juvenile correctional facilities
            Public rehab facilities
            Public mental health facilities
            Medical facilities
            Foster Care/Group homes
            Child Protective Services/social workers

            Problem solved.

          • Basset_Hound

            Add “back in the pockets of taxpayers where they will spend it as they see fit” and “back in the hands os small businesses”

          • patriotdaddy

            what statistics are you referring????? you are wrong and ridiculous!! lol

          • Zed

            Well following that logic, we should go back to the 40’s and 50’s where all the disabled were put into “homes” given lobotomies and some even killed. I mean the value of life is what YOU and YOUR ilk think it is right? Did you even look at the little torn up bodies of those babies in the video? Ugh

          • Elwyn Gaussiran

            And they would still be MURDER!

          • Verity Pink

            Some years ago, there was a baby boy whose parents were refugees, because the local ruler felt threatened by this particular family, and had even started a massacre on hearing about them. The child’s mum and dad were homeless when he was born, and his dad wasn’t, like, his real dad, but had agreed to stand by his mum. Safe, legal abortion would have saved a lot of people a great deal of trouble – but, since the baby’s name was Jesus, I’m very glad there wasn’t a Bethlehem Planned Parenthood.

          • Hah! You’re funny

          • Denise Rogers

            Excellent POINT… The mother SHOULD NOT b able to decision whether a child has a right to life or not…….based on HER OWN WORD.

          • JenA

            So scary to think that is where we are headed as the value of life declines. The very young folks in favor of this now better watch out. What’s it going to be like in another 20-30 years when they are elderly, declining in health and deemed the new burden on society.

          • KA

            How many unwanted babies have you adopted?

          • August M

            Unwanted is a totally loaded term. You too are unwanted. Very,very unwanted. Do you go around talking about the unwanted rain or the unwanted immigrants?

          • Andrew

            Three.

          • KA

            Well good for you if you actually adopted them and didnt foster them so as to get the federal money to take care of them. Also how much federal help did you receive, if any, in actually adopting them? Other then the adoption tax deduction and the yearly child care deduction from the fed govt.

          • Andrew

            Didn’t foster any of them. Started adoption process of each child within four months after their birth. I did not use federal money and never received federal help.

          • KA

            Well good for you then. More people should be able to adopt and now with the approved gay marriage more states will be adopting kids out. And more couples will have the right to adopt their partners child as their own too.

          • Kathie Forney

            She can put the child up for adoption, or get help raising the child, or grow up and become a parent (aka selfless person). Lots of pro-choices.

          • Denise Rogers

            bless you and the mother who makes such a decision after making a Passion one.

          • Tim Duncan

            Totally agree, adoption is one option. But we cannot force the woman to carry a fetus that she does not want and force her to deal with the very dangerous side effects of pregnancy. Gestational diabetes, preeclampsia, etc.

            Unless medical technology progresses to offer a safe way to take the unwanted fetus and implant that into a willing surrogate, there must be other options.

          • Kathie Forney

            Tim, I don’t really understand this argument. The woman who gets pregnant with an unwanted baby should not have the right to terminate the baby’s life because she doesn’t want it. It is a human being. Danger to the mother in pregnancy due to her own health issues are extremely low percentages. If you listen to this tape you hear that this ONE facility gets 18-25 abortion EVERY DAY. Some are second and third trimester. How many of those do you think are jeopardizing the mother’s life versus just unwanted. Let’s talk about the real issue here. Vacuuming away the unwanted human being is not birth control and should not be possible in a civilized society.

          • Tim Duncan

            That is correct. Abortion is not birth control. However a majority of those whom get abortions were using birth control. They already made the decision that they did not want to be pregnant.

            Abortions are already damaging mentally and physically. Ideally would happen very rarely. Making them not possible legally would result in even nastier illegal procedures. e.g. tool to damage the amniotic sac.

          • Kathie Forney

            Tim, your facts are not accurate, with all due respect. A majority of abortions are not performed on women who were using birth control. These women did not use birth control, otherwise they would not be pregnant. The question I am asking is why do we make it so easy and free for a woman to get an abortion? Maybe, just maybe, it is too easy? What happened to ultrasounds and 24 day waiting periods? How often does PP counsel the mother to have her baby, either to consider raising it or putting it up for adoption, versus going ahead with the procedure? Do you think 25 women every day at this one facility are a fraction of those that show up, and only the ones who decide to go ahead with it?

          • Sarah B

            Embryos are not human beings.

          • prolifemama

            @Sarah B – Human embryos are.

          • Michael Scott

            I actually agree with that statement.

          • JoAnn McDonald

            There are thousands of couples that would love to have that baby!

          • Tim Duncan

            Nothing is stopping them from having a baby. Forced surrogacy seems wrong doesn’t it?

          • James

            Would you say that if YOU were the result of a “forced surrogacy?” I think you support abortion because it allows you to use women as sexual playthings while escaping any responsibility or commitment. By ‘forced surrogacy,” you really mean “forced child support.” You support abortion because it will help you to escape paying child support. So stop pretending that you care about women, because you only see them as sexual playthings to be used.

          • PJ4

            Worse than forced death by dismemberment?

          • patriotdaddy

            no it does not…..nobody forced her to open her legs…did they?

          • imjustsaying

            They did if she was raped…

          • patriotdaddy

            and in this situation i would totally understand the desire for abortion….yet we still have mothers out there raising children that they chose to have after being raped!!! if they can do it so can others!

          • pinksugar

            Since when is there some trust-test on child rearing before a baby is conceived? Or born? I don’t know anyone who ever told me, Yeah my mom kind of sucked and man I wish I’d never been born! Easy for someone like You to judge – YOU actually survived your mother’s womb, Lucky you!
            The ONE place where we ALL should be truly Equal – is in the womb. If it’s perfectly legal to kill Them, why should we care when those Outside the womb are killed??

          • Denise Rogers

            WHAT? Those on the inside are defensiveness. Those on the outside are not………..

          • Michael Scott

            But if she truly sucked would you… wait that’s a different forum all together.

          • nothanks

            Of course no one has ever told you that, its not socially acceptable. But, as an unwanted child who was physically, sexually and emotionally abused for 16 years I can promise that if someone said to me, do you want to be aborted once or be tortured for 16 years and then live on the fringe of society for the rest of your life because you have no idea how to relate to “normal” people. I’m pretty sure I would have chosen to be aborted.

          • MsTheresaKelly1

            Pregnancy is the result of an action! Natural consequences is how people learn!

          • Tim Duncan

            Is forcing women to carry fetus to term the preferred punishment for pregnancy? Why does the woman have less rights than the cells inside her?

          • Kathie Forney

            Because she had a choice.

          • Denise Rogers

            Her decision IS ALL that counts……..Thats the problem….SHE need to take responsibility for her own sexual conduct. IF she doesn’t want a baby USE BIRTH CONTROL. And abortion IS NOT birth control

          • Michael Scott

            Isn’t it ironic that Planned Parenthood is primarily an abortion clinic and not specifically for sexual awareness and birth control.

          • imjustsaying

            Umm.. actually there abortion procedures only account for 3% of there services. Everything else is dedicated to health care for low income women and men.

          • prolifemama

            @Michael Scott – And PP’s “free” birth control, which they foist on unsuspecting, sexually-awakening teens, is low-dose, which even if taken every day at the same exact time, has a high failure rate, which is what PP counts on, so it can then herd these pregnant girls through its abortion mills, which are NOT free. There exists a document – I have a copy of it – showing PP’s 1980s plan for high school kids taking PP’s sex ed “classes” – and one of its goals is 3-5 abortions, of course at PP or affiliate abortuaries, per girl before she is of legal age.

          • Christian N Kimberly

            Adoption is always a choice. If the cost wasn’t so high plenty of good people that can’t have kids would adopt. And for the people who adopt should require random home inspections until the child moves out, health checks and for mothers that abuse kids or allows their boyfriend/ husband to abuse them should have their tubes cut, tied, and burned so they can’t have anymore babies to harm or push on someone else.

          • prolifemama

            As though you, Tim, care anything at all about any child, anywhere…

          • prolifemama

            Her decision to abort her own child is a wrong one.

            Her decision to seek out the help she needs so that aborting her child doesn’t look like her only, or even best, option, would be the right one.

          • patriotdaddy

            no…..this is what adoption is for….the baby has a right to live as much as you do…..

          • twinboys

            There are so many deserving people who would make great parents but are not able to birth their own children. Adoption is the perfect answer. then the argument will be that you can’t put a woman through the pain of labor against her will. Do you think having an abortion will not be painful in the immediate and in the long term? We can start by telling our children that all life is precious and deserves to be protected. Then teach them not to have sex till marriage, and that it is ok to abstain. Make it cool to wait. And there is nothing wrong with that, unless you are a leftist who thinks we should marry anyone and anything and do anything we want as long as it makes you happy.

          • Tim Duncan

            twinboys, the abstinence until marriage is a great idea if it was actually effective. The reality is that people will have sex, married or unmarried. With birth control or without.

            Forcing the woman to go through with labor (when unwanted) is torture. How can anyone argue otherwise? Unless that’s the purpose, to torture women that have sex outside of the sole purpose of procreation.

          • twinboys

            Also the reality is that people used to wait for marriage. We can and should go back to those ideals. I assume you are a man, so why do you say labor is torture? How can you claim to know that? And I would think that women who bear an “unwanted” child just might be happy to have created another human to be raised by someone who can’t have their own. No?

          • prolifemama

            @Tim DUHncan – Abstinence actually IS effective, every time it’s practiced.

            Once an abstaining person has sex, they’re … (wait for it…)

            NO LONGER ABSTAINING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Seriously, Tim? Please tell us you don’t drive a car, or hold down a job in the food industry, or one of the medical fields…

          • Sarai Yochana

            No, her decision to kill an innocent unborn child should not matter one bit. Murder is murder. If she wants to kill an unborn child, she should be stopped. If she cannot be stopped and does it anyway, she should be punished by law. And who gets to decide what the future holds for any human being? Certainly not other screwed up human beings.

          • Tim Duncan

            OK, in your opinion it is murder. Are miscarriages manslaughter? What if the fetus is deformed, can the pregnancy be discontinued? If the baby has Down’s syndrome? (Over 90% of Down’s syndrome fetus are aborted).

            Pregnancy will make a woman ill and she has no legal obligation to the fetus like she would have no obligation to let a tumor grow. The woman owns her body and uterus.

          • Kathie Forney

            That’s the second time you’ve mentioned that pregnancy will make a woman ill. What are you referring to? really curious.

          • Tim Duncan

            Most women will have morning sickness in the first trimester. Joint pains, swelling, weight gain are common. Then there can be more serious effects including stroke and death.

          • Kathie Forney

            Tim, you seem sincerely concerned about women’s health. If there were reasons to abort a baby, that fact that it is unwanted is not one that I would agree with, but I understand that we differ on this. Other reasons, such as major illness on the part of the mother such as heart disease, cancer, blood illnesses that create a high risk situation may be a medical reason to abort. How many of these are at PP? The possibility of unwanted morning sickness, joint swelling, and weight gain are just part of pregnancy and, to me, worth the price to allow the human baby to live. Even an unwanted baby. I know many women who have had abortions and many wish they had not made that choice but instead had chosen adoption if the timing was inconvenient, or relied upon a support system that they could have created, or made it less inconvenient by delaying their plans. I would venture that a vast majority of the women that find themselves at PP seeking an abortion are not at an age where heart disease, cancer, or blood illnesses are an issue, compared to those that just don’t want the baby. The risk of stroke or death in a teenager, for example, from pregnancy is very small. How far we have come as a culture if our own inconvenience is more important than the life of a human baby? They say that Baby Boomers were the “me” generation. Gen X was the “I” generation. Hopefully, the Millennials, regardless of race or socioeconomics, will help humanity return to civility. For example, I support the recently passed laws for homosexuals to marry, because it was about love. Couldn’t choosing to have a baby, regardless of inconvenience, be seen as a choice of love, instead of disgrace and shame? This unwanted baby could be the thing that saves this teenager from a path that she is currently on, not necessarily ruin her life. Sorry to get off track, but I have enjoyed this debate with you even if we disagree. You have kept it respectful and taught me more about the considerations in the other viewpoint.

          • prolifemama

            @Tim Duncan – Again, seriously? Okay, let’s take it one inane “point” at a time.

            A spontaneous abortion, also known as a miscarriage is, OF COURSE, not manslaughter, Tim.

            So, you’re pro-discrimination against persons with disabilities. Good to know, and not at all surprising, given your other posts.

            Only 2/3 of pregnant women have morning sickness, which usually does not last for the duration of their pregnancies, though sometimes it does, and many continue to have more than one child, perhaps thinking their children are worth having regardless of the urps.

            Actually, mothers DO have a legal obligation to their unborn children, to care for themselves during pregnancy by avoiding excessive alcohol use, and refraining from illegal drug use. Pregnant women in many states, if not all, can be incarcerated for the duration of their pregnancy to protect their unborn babies from illicit drugs and alcohol. After baby’s born and put into foster care, Mom is required to enter a detox facility and get clean and sober, if she wants her child(ren) back.

            Finally, no one “owns” their bodies. There are laws against suicide, and suicidal persons can be hospitalized to prevent the taking of their own lives.

            Just curious, Tim – how old are you?

          • Verity Pink

            I don’t own my body and my uterus – I am the steward of both.

          • Andrew

            Come on, Tim, at least use analogies that have some affinity to the comparison you’re making. If abortion is murder,, then no, it doesn’t follow that a miscarriage is manslaughter. In murder and manslaughter a person’s ACTIONS result in the death of the victim. The difference between murder and manslaughter is that in the case of murder a person’s ACTIONS are INTENDED to kill an innocent person. In manslaughter, a person’s ACTIONS are NOT INTENDED to kill anyone. In a miscarriage the mother does not ACT nor INTEND to kill her baby! You really ought to THINK through your analogies before you post them. An analogy like the one you’ve made here doesn’t help your pro-abortion position!

            And no, if the fetus (as you call it) that is deformed or has Down’s Syndrome, Does not give the mother the right to kill the baby. The baby is a human person with the right to life.

            The woman and society DO have an obligation to protect human life! The sad and tragic fact that you can compare an unborn baby with a tumor demonstrates how effectively legal abortion has both desensitized your conscience, and the conscience of our culture.

            I would venture to say that if your wife (assuming Tim Duncan isn’t an alias and you are a man) was pregnant with a child you both WANTED the baby, you would not be so cavalier
            in your vocabulary and your affections for your new little unborn baby. No, you’d probably find out if it is a girl or boy, then eagerly decide on a name for this precious child you’re about to have join the family. And you would help your wife enthusiastically prepare a room in your house for this new little guest. You would also gleefully show your friends and family ultrasound images of your new bundle of joy (not fetus)!

            Then suppose, God forbid, someone intentionally took your wife’s life, and the result was the unfortunate death of your unborn baby, you would press charges to have the murderer tried for two counts of murder, not one.!

            What made the difference in the shift in attitude from a cold disregard for the value of the unborn when defending abortion, to the shift of eagerly anticipating the birth of your baby whom you’ve already named after your father, even before he was born?

            The shift was not due to the change in WHAT the unborn child IS existentially and ontologically. The shift in attitude is strictly due to the fact that you WANT this child.
            But your wants don’t determine WHAT the baby IS. The fact that you WANT it doesn’t change the ontology of the fetus from a “tumor” to a baby with rights to live! And correspondingly, the fact that you DONT WANT it doesn’t change the ontology of the fetus from a baby with rights to live into a “tumor” that needs to be extracted!

            You keep treating the unborn as if it’s simply a cell, or an organ OF the woman’s body.
            Or you treat it as something as ominous and impersonal as a “tumor!” The unborn baby is neither. It possesses its own human body that IS NOT the mother’s body!
            And even if we (erroneously) granted that the baby IS the mother’s body, the mother nor the father, nor the mailman, has the right to use her/his body to commit murder.

          • Tim Duncan

            Andrew, let’s summarize our argument. We both don’t like abortion. Both of us would rather it not happen at all. There is proof that it does indeed happen on a daily basis.

            Women have a right over their own body. They are allowed to remove their uterus. They are allowed to change gender. They are allowed to have abortions. Can we agree on this? Currently all the above actions are legal.

            Assault and theft are illegal. They still happen right? In countries where abortion is illegal, they still happen too. The result of making abortion illegal is to directly stigmatize and punish women for not wanting a baby. Nobody can presume to know the woman’s situation to why she wants or needs an abortion.

            The difference in attitude of a wanted baby or unwanted fetus is the same as a welcomed guest and an unexpected stranger. It’s easy to use personal attacks and call people pro-abortion when our views differ. I’m trying to understand what you’re trying to accomplish.

            What if your 15 year old daughter got pregnant? And her choice is to get an abortion so she could continue life as she knows it. Nothing will change her mind. Would you rather she have access to a safe medical procedure or run away and have it done by criminals with potentially deadly side-effects?

          • Andrew

            Tim, you think whatever is legal is morally acceptable. Yet you only apply that thinking to abortion because you want the right to abortion. You will not apply that kind of thinking to antebellum slavery which was also legal.

            You say you don’t like abortion. In another post to me you called it “gross and unfortunate.” Do you mean, gross and unfortunate like:

            a colonoscopy – it’s gross and it’s unfortunate, but you have to have
            because it helps in the early detection of cancer?

            a digital prostate exam – for the same reason?

            the amputation of a limb due to gangrene?

            In these procedure’s there’s blood (or feces and/or pus) and varying degrees of discomfort and/or pain, but there’s no moral controversy over the procedure itself. So does your description of abortion as gross and unfortunate come from any degree of moral objection, or just that it’s kind of messy?

            I ask this question because if you think it’s just messy, as opposed to morally objectionable, then we really don’t have a relevant agreement that abortion is gross and unfortunate. To call it gross and unfortunate in the same sense that an appendectomy is gross and unfortunate is to trivialize MY deeper objection to abortion——> it is murder. Gross? To be sure, but so is a tooth extraction. Unfortunate? Indeed, but so is a tonsillectomy.

            I’m not really interested in pursuing a discussion where your distaste of abortion is the moral equivalent to your objection to a hemorrhoidectomy.
            If, on the other hand, your portrayal of abortion is due to some sense that it is, at least, somewhat morally undesirable, then you and I are CLOSER to agreeing than otherwise.

            And if your dislike of abortion is because you have moral objections, why do you support it?

            The reason we oppose abortion is because it’s murder. No one presumes to know why a murderer “needs” to take a human life, but we don’t legalize murder because we don’t wan to infringe upon the murderer’s need to murder. Again, your analogies are logically fallacious.

            You continue to equate an unborn baby with a parasite or a squatter, and now an unexpected stranger. Yes, you could have the squatter evicted, but not by killing him. A baby is not a squatter. Squatters make a choice to wrongfully inhabit someone else’s home. A baby doesn’t decide to take up residence in the mother’s womb. By the way, the mother’s womb is the BABY’S home for 9 months.

            Except for cases of rape, the mother willingly chose to have sex while knowing the very real possibility that it could result in a baby inhabiting her womb. So unlike a squatter, the woman effectively granted permission to the baby to take up residence in her womb when she decided to have sex.

            In the United States and many other countries there is a right to own property, but that right does not give the owner the right to kill innocent trespassers, especially when they are present at the invitation of the owner and don’t threaten the owner’s safety!

            On the contrary, one is likely to be held legally responsible if such persons are hurt while on that property. What is true of owning property in general is also true of a woman’s ownership of her body. She has no right to kill “trespassers,” especially when they are present at her implied or explicit consent. Implied or explicit consent means the person on the property is NOT a trespasser!

            So, if an unexpected stranger came into your house you would kill him? An unexpected stranger knows the danger and risks involved in entering someone’s house. A baby does not know the danger and risks involved when inhabiting the mother’s womb.

            And so, would you support the legalization of killing an unexpected stranger who enters your house? The fact is, in the United States, the unexpected stranger would be safer than the unborn.

            I would not condone her choosing, through whatever means, to kill another innocent human being. What if your son said he had people in his life who were unintentionally interfering with his desire to go to college, start a career, fulfill his dreams, or he just, for whatever reason, wanted to kill them, would you support his decision? And if so, would you insist that the government: (1) to legalize murder and (2) to (make it safe for your son) provide a medical escort on his journey to commit the murder because, after all, in his attempted murder he might be seriously wounded?

            Legal abortion is “safe” for the mother, but not for the baby. Your analogies, once again, miss the point.

          • Tim Duncan

            “And if your dislike of abortion is because you have moral objections, why do you support it?”

            Because the alternative to legal abortion is worse. It leads to illegal abortion. The issue is not simply between abortion or no abortion. There is greater complexity than that. I do not want any women to need to resort to using dangerous tactics to abort as they do in countries where abortion is illegal. Even with your labels and logic of calling the women murderers, would you want them locked up to prevent them from aborting again? I would rather the tax dollars go towards schools than imprisoning these women.

            Making abortions illegal may someone lessen the amount of abortions but so would more support services and increased education. I choose the lesser of the evils.

          • Elwyn Gaussiran

            Ever hear of adoption? You speak as if there are so limited options.

          • Luke Evans

            Then she should keep her damn legs closed.

          • thatdigiguy

            her decision matters a lot.. She however decided to have a kid. At the point in which she brought another life into existence, that baby’s value as a human granted it the rights to life, born or unborn.

            And let’s not start the “rape” situation – I’m no longer willing to discuss rape with you leftyidiots, because you won’t admit that rape>pregnancy statistics are so far below the bottom of the scale as to be utterly irrelevant. your inability to deal with the raw facts makes it a meaningless discussion.

          • Jerry Lake

            More stupid excuses is really BS and you know it!!!! Bottom line people like you have not conscience or morals!!! you are morally bankrupt have not soul….. sub human!!!

          • Andrew

            Of course her decision matters! That’s not what’s being debated. The fact that a person has the capacity and the right to make decisions does not lead to the conclusion that society must allow EVERY decision that person makes. Certainly you wouldn’t want to endorse such a conclusion!? Yet you imply, above, that we should trust EVERY or ANY decision a pregnant woman makes.

            The pro-abortion argument for a woman’s right to choose are usually grounded in the following assertions:
            1. “A woman should be able to choose what she will do with her own body.” This assertion is flawed for at least two reasons.
            a. Precedent – laws already prohibit what women (and
            men) can do with “their” bodies. A person, man or
            woman, cannot inject certain illicit drugs into their
            bodies. A person, man or woman, cannot drink
            more than the legal limit (determined by alcohol
            content in the blood) and drive a car. Why? DUI
            endangers the life of another. So does abortion.

            b. Science – the unborn baby is NOT the mother’s
            body. The baby has its own distinct DNA from
            conception and therefore has its own body. To be
            sure, the baby is dependent upon the mother’s body
            for nourishment and oxygen. This dependency,
            however, does not justify or legitimize a woman’s
            decision to kill the baby. Why not? The baby will
            continue to be dependent on the mother (and/or
            others) for life for years after the birth. The issue of
            dependency is true, but morally irrelevant. In what
            other instance, besides abortion, does the law allow
            a mother or a father to kill their children (1 yr. old, 2
            yr. old) BECAUSE those children are dependent on
            their parents for life? Quite to the contrary, Child
            Protective Services exists to try to insure that
            parents WON’T inflict harm on their children,
            especially the children who are MOST dependent on
            their parents for life!

          • Tim Duncan

            Andrew, I appreciate your well thought out response. Cancerous tumor cells have their own DNA and depend on the host for nourishment. Parasites also have their own DNA. Should these be illegal to remove as well?

            The fetus is entirely owned by the woman. It started with her fully owned egg and freely donated sperm to become a zygote. Does that zygote automatically become it’s own fully independent individual immediately upon conception? That’d be absurd right? The government already specifies when abortions are illegal, corresponding to roughly when the fetus>baby would be viable outside the womb.

            Child protective services is consistently overloaded and many kids end up being neglected with nowhere to go. SIDs, shaken baby syndrome, poisonings, and accidents happen more often when the parent did not prepare or did not want to be parents. The system then puts the parent(s) in jail after the damage is already done.

          • Andrew

            Tim, my reference to DNA was not for the sake or making an argument such as: “Anything in the human body that has its own DNA should never be removed or eradicated.” The point in bringing up the DNA of the unborn baby was to make the point that the baby IS NOT the mother’s body.

            I disagree that a human being can (morally) be totally owned by another. Do you really want to promote the idea that a human being can be totally owned by another human being? We fought a war over this, and I assume you would have been for the abolitionists. Is the baby still ‘totally owned’ by his/her parents at birth, age 2, age 5?

            If not, what’s your non-arbitrary criteria that changes the baby’s status at birth or whichever age you choose? You hint at it when you ask, “Does that zygote automatically become it’s own fully independent individual upon conception?” No, the baby is not fully independent upon conception, the first trimester, the second trimester, or even the third trimester. The baby is not fully independent at birth, at age 1, age 2, age 3. No, the conceptus, the unborn at 3 months, at 6 months, at 9 months, at birth, at age 1, age 2, age 3, are all dependent on the mother and/or father for life (I even know some people who aren’t fully independent at age 40!).

            So your argument goes something like this: “As long as the unborn are dependent upon the mother for life, she has the right to kill it.” Which begs the question, “Why can’t she continue to have that right at 1 year, 2 years, 3 years?” Princeton Professor of Ethics, Peter Singer thinks the parents should have the right to kill their children up to 28 months after they are born!! At least he is consistent in his pro-abortion thinking!! He argues that the child is still dependent upon its parents for life for years after its birth!

            On another note, regarding dependency: Which is more deplorable, to kill a dependent child who is a quadriplegic permanently bound to a wheelchair, or to kill an “independent” teenager (oxymoron?) who can defend himself/herself? They are BOTH deplorable, but one child is defenseless (dependent) and the other child is not defenseless (independent). Thus this arbitrary “fully independent” criteria leads to the death, not only of the unborn, but many, many people around the world who are dependent on others for their life!

            If, however, you argue that this right of “total ownership” of the child DOES extend to several years after the baby is born, why does the government interfere with the parents'(owners) right to do whatever they choose with their child (property)? The answer is that the government recognizes that the rights of parents(owners) DON’T allow the parents to inflict bodily HARM on the child, thus Child Protective Services. Why no CPS while the child is in the womb?

            You mention a second criterion when you say, “The government already specifies when abortions are illegal, corresponding to roughly when the fetus>baby would be viable outside the womb.”

            So you are saying that as long as a baby is non-viable (can’t live on it’s own outside the mother’s womb) the mother has the right to kill it? Don’t you see that unless someone chooses to feed and care for the baby OUTSIDE the mother’s womb, the baby is just as non-viable.

            Do you not recognize that there are a number of locations (not just outside the womb) where YOU would be non-viable? People without scuba gear are non-viable under water. The diver can’t live underwater without depending upon a breathing apparatus. The astronauts that walked on the moon were non-viable apart from their space suits that supplied them oxygen. The astronaut can’t live on the moon without depending on their breathing apparatus. Airline passengers at 34,000 feet are also non-viable without depending upon both the pressurization of the cabin,and the oxygen supply the airline provides. The airline passenger at 34,000 feet cannot live inside or outside the plane without depending upon a pressurized plane and its oxygen supply or some other breathing apparatus. Newborns left out in the elements are non-viable with no one to feed and care for him/her.

            Think of these analogies as absurd or ridiculous if you will, but they are valid extrapolations from the viability/non-viability pro-choice argument.

            Would you, therefore, argue that as long as we can find people who are in non-viable locations we can kill them? Of course you wouldn’t! So why should the non-viability of the baby outside the mother’s womb be any different?

          • Tim Duncan

            If something was inside of my body that I did not want. I have every legal right to have it removed (within the law). If someone were to squat in someone else’s residence, they can be legally evicted.

            We can have different beliefs. However, my beliefs do not take away anything from women while your beliefs attempt to make the US join the likes of South America and most of Africa for abortion laws. Why should women’s rights ever be decreased?

            We both agree that abortion is gross and unfortunate. The realistic goal to decrease the need for abortion is with better education and better birth control. Look up the abortion rates by year for the US. There is a strong downward trend for women getting the procedure. Will you help keep that going? Or would you rather take away one of the key organizations helping that trend?

          • Andrew
          • Andrew

            What if she didn’t want the child at 1 year, at 2? Should she be allowed to murder the child? If not, why not? Peter Singer, who I don’t support, says pro-abortion advocates are inconsistent and illogical. His point is that if its ok to kill the fetus before birth, because it has a defect, or because it would be a burden on the mother, she should be able to kill (murder) the baby up to 28 months after birth! Tim, do you agree?

          • KA

            Some women have abortions because they have too many children already and their BC failed..some women have abortions because the other half of the pregnancy, the man who contributed the sperm with no thought as to,BC, is not there to support her or the child. Some women have abortions because the baby is horrbile deformed, dead already or has a severe life threatening illness and may live 5 minutes after born.

            Again, birth control free for everyone at anytime for anyone prevents abortions, abused babies and kids, my tax dollars payng for unwanted or in needed kids, etc.

          • prolifemama

            There is no such thing as “too many children.”

            If a baby is already dead, the procedure that removes him/her from the womb isn’t an abortion.

            Many parents whose children have terminal conditions choose not to shorten their children’s already brief lives outside the womb.

            Finally, birth control actually causes more abortions to be committed, because users feel that they’ve done what they had to do to prevent pregnancy, and so a resulting pregnancy wasn’t “their fault.” Abortion is their BC failure backup.

          • KA

            Can’t argue with stupid and with someone who actually believes birth control causes abortions.

            You obviously are a male who cannot get pregnant to begin with and has no concept of what it is like and b) a male who does not have sex ( with a female) and therefore never has to worry about getting a woman pregnant.

            I am finished w this conversation with the comment that bc causes abotion comment. Sheesh.

          • prolifemama

            I didn’t say that birth control causes abortion, but that it leads women to undergo a surgical abortion when contraception fails. Read every word, not every OTHER word.

            P.S. I am a married woman, and mother to six children, three via c-section.

            Incidentally, birth control CAN cause abortion – the death of an unborn child – by making the uterine lining inhospitable to implantation of the newly-conceived human being. The baby cannot implant, and so washes out of his/her mother’s body during her next menstrual cycle.

          • KA

            Thanks for adding to population overload number one.
            Number two, when a fertilized egg s never implanted it is not called an abortion.

            I am also done with this conversation when even birth control is off your table. You have GOT to be catholic. How’s about them child abusing priests!

          • disqus_bcI4j8wi8A

            WRONG!!! young girls and women are coerced, guilted, and flat out LIED TO to push them unto unwanted abortions! it FEELS like forcing to an impressionable, vulnerable young person!

          • Denise Rogers

            Doesn’t be SO pushy about this…so angry. I don;t think woman know the truth because they are not informed………and many are young.

          • MsTheresaKelly1

            Oh please! Don’t you dare claim this is being done for science! That’s a claim that Doctors at Auschwitz claimed as well! It’s absolutely sick!

          • DannoDISQ

            That’s where self-centered people get lost. It isn’t about our opposition or you as a proponent, but it is about the protection of the unborn over everyone. Selfish people cannot see that. Only their side. Life isn’t about opinions, but about life over non-life. When one doesn’t care about life, they can hardly care about all life. Choosing what you think is life doesn’t make all else lifeless.

          • Rebecca

            That’s like a serial killer saying, “Don’t like murder? Then don’t commit murder. No one is forcing you to murder.” But wants to be left alone to commit murder himself. Who would look away and accept that? It’s exactly what pro aborts are saying. And it is unspeakably horrible.

          • KA

            If someone wants to kill themselves who are we to stop them? If you are dying of stomach cancer, in unspeakable pain, lost half of your body weight, throw ip any food…..why is it up to you if I want to kill myself?

          • Nicole

            But the fetus’ do not have “unspeakable pain”. Some of them may but the majority of abortion cases happen because it is more convenient for the mother not because the child is injured. I cannot stop someone from suicide even though I may think it’s a bad thing nor can I stop abortion. I will probably never see the prohibition of surgeries like this. Woman’s choice? Fine. I choose to never abort a child. I choose not to let other people abort my child. Everyone keeps saying this is nazi level injustice but none of us lived then. We live now. If we have to relate it back to something like that so that we may be shocked back in line then this country has an issue. You should be appalled at what these videos show no matter what.

          • August M

            In your case we will make an exception.

          • Jerry Lake

            Yeah perhaps KA should do us all a favor and k___ himself??? Ok my bad but this person is really mentally ill I think!!!

          • Christian N Kimberly

            But the government is FORCING us to use our tax dollars to support it. I don’t know about you but I don’t want to fund murderers.

          • Magginkat

            Wrong. Our tax dollars do not pay for abortions. Research & learn before opening your self-righteous mouth. That applies to all the anti-abortionist nut cases on this thread. Everyone of you wants to push your beliefs onto other people. Don’t agree with abortion, don’t get one. It’s very simple. Mind you own business!!!

          • CailynAlexis

            If you don’t want a baby don’t get pregnant. It’s that simple too.

          • PJ4

            Yes, please research and learn:
            http://kff.org/medicaid/state-indicator/abortion-under-medicaid/

            Yes, mind you’re own business if your neighbor is beating his wife too, right?
            Who are you to push your morality on a wife beater??

          • sgthwjack

            Those who condone this sort of thing have to try to dehumanize the victim in an attempt to rationalize their actions. All of their Bravo Sierra cannot alter the truth that a living being is killed.

          • Michael Scott

            Sure they do, it’s called Obamacare

          • prolifemama

            @Magginkat – Our tax dollars absolutely DO pay for abortions, through Planned Parenthood’s millions via taxpayer funding.

            When an innocent human being is in danger of being killed, it is everyone’s business.

          • Andrew

            You want to push your beliefs on thieves when you agree to laws against theft! And you should. You want to push your beliefs on rapists when you agree with laws against rape! And you should. You want to push your beliefs on child abusers when you agree to laws against child abuse! And you should. You want to push your beliefs on terrorists when you support legislation against terrorism! And you should. You want to push your beliefs on child molesters when you support legislation against child molestation! And you should.

            You want to push your beliefs on pro-lifers when you tell them to mind their own business! They believe abortion is murder. When it comes to legalized murder, it’s everyone’s business! Why? Because when laws allow the killing of innocent human beings, who will be next?

            You want the freedom to oppose whatever YOU think is morally wrong or criminal: theft, rape, child abuse, terrorism, and child molestation. And you should. So don’t deny pro-lifers the same freedom to oppose what they believe is immoral and criminal.

            The fact that abortion IS legal DOES NOT mean that it OUGHT to be legal. If you lived during the time of legalized slavery, would you have told the anti-slavery crowd (abolitionists) to mind their own business BECAUSE slavery is legal. Would your argument against abolitionists have been: “If you don’t like slavery, then don’t own one! No one is forcing you to own a slave! So, all you self-righteous abolitionists need to mind your own business!”????

          • Tim Duncan

            Hi Christian. Please clarify because the Hyde amendment prohibits government dollars to fund abortions. Taking away government funding for planned parenthood is exactly the same as taking away or limiting access to women’s healthcare, especially for the poor and minorities.

          • Kathie Forney

            “Isn’t that what Obamacare was supposed to do?” –Ben Carson

          • carlos

            so, if you kill a baby I should stay calm..

          • prolifemama

            Same thing slaveowners said pre-Civil War in America: If you don’t like slavery, don’t own one.

            Great group you’re allied with there, Tim…

          • ed herrick

            Tim you’re fucking retarded.

          • patriotdaddy

            yet it is legal and allowed……morally wrong…disgusting and pathetic….but legal…..this will change!!

          • Sarai Yochana

            So in other words. You don’t give a flying crap about innocent babies. Please, stay on birth control for the rest of your life. Even though most forms of birth control are not 100% guaranteed, and they cause miscarriages. But I am sure you won’t care if you kill your own children.

          • twinboys

            YET! Be very careful what you wish for. Big government pushes for Agenda 21…population REDUCTION…not population control. Think China’s 1 child policy. When this becomes very acceptable, it becomes mandatory. Like the frog in a pot.

          • Isabela Guimaraes

            !!!!!! There are approximately 1,21 million abortions in America each year. This means that 1.21
            million lives will not see daylight, Abortion diminish and destroys human life.
            I will rebuke the top reasons society claim why abortion should happened.
            As an ex prochoice believer I recognize how prochoice people believe and why
            they believe like that. Our society is blind to the reality of abortion and I
            hope that Ill be the light to open your eyes to this tragedy that happened in
            our own backyard.

            Many feminist
            women when it com to abortion claim: My body my choice, as if illegalizing
            abortion means that the government is imposing restrictions into a women’s body.
            They claim that women have the freedom to do whatever she wants with her body
            and no one should deny them that freedom.

            As a feminist I believe that women do have the right to do whatever she desires with her body, but no one have the authority to say who is worthy to live and who isn’t. The real question that we should be asking here is whore bodies are we really not giving a choice? The mother or the baby?
            According to any biology book a body part such as the arm or the leg is defined by the common genetic code it shares with the rest of its body. Every cell of the mother’s
            tonsils, appendix, heart and legs shares the same genetic code; the unborn also
            has a genetic code, but is distinctly different from the mothers. Often the
            blood type is also different and half the time even the gender is different.
            One body is inside another, but each has its own unique genetic code, then
            there is not one person, but two separate people. One body does not belong to
            another merely because of proximity, that being said we can state that the
            saying “my body my choice” is scientifically and biologically incorrect. Now
            that you know that id s clear scientific fact that the mother is one
            distinctive and self contained person and the child is another, lets see in
            which circumstances society claims is ok to kill a baby in the whom such as
            Lack of financial support, age and marital status.

            A women may have a concern that she does not have the financial condition to raise a child Following this path women are not ready to have a child because of their age.
            There are about 820,000 teens that become pregnant each year. That means that
            34 percent of teenagers have at least one pregnancy before they turn 20, and 80
            percent of those teenagers that become pregnant are unmarried. Although these
            are though situations the answer is still NOT abortion. According to the Alan
            Guttmacher Institute of research arm of Planned Parenthood, estimates that 88
            percent (1.06 Million) of abortions are performed during the first trimester.
            The other 12 percent (150,000) are performed during the second and third
            trimester. The average cost of a first trimester abortion is $430 and a 2nd
            trimester abortion costs up to $3000 (with the price increasing the further
            along the pregnancy goes) If we take the average for 1st trimester
            abortions and use the average for 2nd and 3rd trimester
            abortion here’s what we get 438 Million is spend each year on first trimester
            abortions and 393 million is spend on late term abortions. This means that the
            abortion industry brings in approximately $831 million through abortion service
            alone. And if we add in the $337 million (or more) that Planned Parenthood
            receives annually in government grants and contracts for, the annual dollar
            amount moves past one billion. The money that the government grants to abortion
            clinics come from national taxes that every American pay. Including the ones
            that do not agree with abortion, in other words if one does not agree with abortion
            it does not matter they are obligated by the state to pay money in which will
            be granted to abortion since is considered a health issue.

            Instead of more then one billion dollars being used to kill innocent life’s we could be using this money to provide helps to the mothers that do not have a good financial
            situation to raise a child. We need longer and paid maternal leaves. Also the
            government should provide in high schools sex education because most people at
            that point are or are about to become sexually active. Most people get unwanted
            pregnancies because they are ignorant or unaware of the different types of
            contraception such as condoms, the pill and many others.

            According to a Washington
            University study of nearly 10,000 women, found that among those who were
            offered free contraception along with good counseling about safe methods of
            having sex, had an 80% reduction in teen births and 75% in Abortions. There are
            many ways to prevent pregnancies and women should know that the choice comes BEFORE not AFTER conception. If a women
            chose to have sex with the knowledge that she was not financial stable, with
            inappropriate age and no marital status she should have the responsibility to
            make the choice of having save protected sex. It is the government job to
            provide knowledge and education to people about safe sex but it is the person
            responsibility to make that choice. If we don’t provide sex education the young
            generation they are never going to be able to make wise decisions.

            All these cases
            have something in common: In all of them there was a mutual consent of a man
            and a women to have sex, but differently then any other cases there is one when
            women get pregnant but did not make the choice to have sex: The woman was raped.
            Rape is a horrible and traumatic event in the life of any women. It is the
            forcible act of sexual intercourse against the will of a woman. If she becomes
            pregnant she would not only bear the memory of the rape but also carry the
            child of a rapist. So the famous question rises: Should a women keep a baby
            when she didn’t even agree to have sex in the first place? This is a very
            difficult question to answer. After all, it is a highly emotional issue, but
            still, Ill ask you this: Must the child be required to pay for the crime of the
            father? Is it right to take the life of someone who has done nothing wrong?
            Does the circumstances of a child conception change the fact that he or she is
            a human living being? In other words: If YOUR mother was raped, would YOU be
            considered any less human then the person sitting next to you? Should you be
            denied of all rights including the right to live because your conception was
            not as honorable as the person next to you? Of if the person next to you is a
            child conceived at rape, would it be ok for me to grab a gun and kill that
            person right now? After all since his or hers conception happened at rape they
            are not human at all right?

            Despite the circumstances regarding that person’s conception he or she are a human being witha right to live that cannot be taken away. You may think, it is easy for you to
            say.. Actually I know what it feels like to have your body invaded and unprotected, I also had a men’s body forcing against mine and against my will.
            Besides the pain, I felt violated scared and disgusted, shaming myself although
            I did nothing wrong. No I did not get pregnant, although I was under the
            influence of alcohol I was able to grab all the strength I had in my body, push
            the abuser away and run for my life. To any women that has ever suffered rape
            or had their bodies violated in any kind of way: my deep condolences I do
            understand what you are feeling and I still stand against abortion. It is not
            the Answer

            After each turbulence in our life’s we have the choice to become bitter or better. Please understand that despite the circumstances that a child is conceived, ether in a
            marriage with loving and stable parents, or of two passionate but reckless
            teenagers, a drunk man and women after a one night stand or with a pain of a
            rape, all of those life’s are worth the same, they are all babies and each and
            everyone one of them needs love, attention and care, independently of how was
            their conception. Do not let the crime of an abuser affect your decision of
            killing a innocent life.

            Just as how conception happened
            does not change that persons humanity also the formation of an individual does
            not change the fact of their humanity and their right to live. Despite any
            deformity or disabilities that person has the same value as a perfectly healthy
            person, and it is not up to anybody to decide if their life’s are not worth
            leaving because of certain disabilities.

            If all that said I want to remind you of some history. Dred Scott declared that a human person with black skin were not actually human but only 3/5 human. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis decided that people who came from Jewish heritage were not actually human but some kind of pest that need it to be exterminated, and lets take note that
            in all of those situations were legal by law! Roe V. Wade pronounced that a human person who were in the first months of their human development were not human unless their mother decided that they were.

            How is that we still have the
            audacity to strip away personhood rights from another group of people and this
            time simply because of age? We know that skin color does not determine the
            personhood of a human being; they are human no matter what shade of skin they
            have We know that nationality or religion does not determine the personhood human being; they are human no matter were they come from or believe. We should also know that age does not determine the personhood of a human being; they are human from the moment they start living until the day they die.

            Today I talked to you about
            abortions and why they are not the right decision when it comes to unwanted
            pregnancies. Abortion is one of the main disparities that this country ever
            lived and I hope you make a stand against abortion with me.

            Have a wonderful life in which you have
            the right to live

            Thank You

            Isabela Guimaraes

          • Tim Duncan

            TL:DR. That was a bad copy/paste. Ain’t nobody got time to read that.

          • Hellomommy

            Now THAT was rude. I read it, just as I read all YOUR long winded comments. You are a jerk, most especially for that comment

          • Isabela Guimaraes

            Well it is not copy and paste because I wrote that. you don’t need to reed it but i think you should from looking at your ignorance.

          • Kathie Forney

            Isabel, very well said!

          • Isabela Guimaraes

            Thank you!! I really liked what you said too! you are a brave women

          • abusedcitizen

            However, everyone who finds this action reprehensible is being forced to pay for it with their tax dollars. If someone wants an abortion, they should pay for it themselves. If PP wants to sell baby body parts for Frankenstein experiments, they should use the profits to fund themselves.

          • Elwyn Gaussiran

            Don’t “get” one? It’s not something you buy off the shelf at Wal-Mart. It is MURDER! YOU get a grip!

          • Verity Pink

            If Planned Parenthood’s staff are misrepresenting the extent of foetal development, then the women who undergo abortions at their hands cannot be said to be giving informed consent.

          • Jerry Lake

            Tim you are a sorry excuse for a human being!!!

          • Andrew

            “If you don’t want an abortion, don’t get one.”?

            Well, I doubt seriously if she didn’t WANT an abortion she WOULD get one! So Tim, if you don’t want to own a slave, don’t buy one! Tim, if you don’t want to exterminate a Jew, or Christian don’t join ISIS. Tim, if you don’t want to lynch a black man, then don’t lynch a black man. But by all means, for those who DO, who are YOU to object, or restrict or “decrease” their freedoms or choices??!!

            Unless of course you WANT to do any of those heinous acts…then that changes everything. This is what passes for pro-abortion logic! Intellectually and morally absurd!

          • Tim Duncan

            I think you’re deviating a bit from the topic and heading towards straw man arguments. My comment is towards that have a uterus and are able to get pregnant.

            Follow the logic where a woman’s body is her own. She is able to hurt herself including starvation, body mutilation, tattoos, sterilization, alcohol, legal drugs. She is also able to improve herself with fitness, nutrition, and routine medical care. Nothing can change this fact. She is able to plan to have children or to not. A fertilized egg, bundle of cells, or a fetus cannot change this fact even if it hurts your feelings.

            Are you against fertility treatments? Extra fertilized eggs are usually removed during IVF. Are you against biological children for couples that cannot naturally have children? What about surrogacy? What’s the difference?

          • Andrew

            LOL! No…Tim you just changed the topic. I’ve been discussing abortion; not fertility treatments, IVF, couples who can’t conceive, or surrogacy. You have yet to answer any of my questions, or deal with any of my analogies or comparisons. You simply claim I’m heading toward straw man arguments.

            On the other hand, I’ve stayed on topic and answered 90% of your questions, if not all of them.
            I have demonstrated, through counter examples, where your analogies and comparisons are weak or ridiculous.

            I’m not answering any new questions until you’ve answered most of mine.

            I’m not having any trouble following your claim that a woman’s body is her own. I’ve never challenged that. Your body is your own. My body is my own. What I’m pointing out, that you keep ignoring, is the fact that you, nor I, or anyone else (male or female) can do whatever we want with our bodies.

            You wrote,
            “Follow the logic where a woman’s body is her own. She is able to hurt herself including starvation, body mutilation, tattoos, sterilization, alcohol, legal drugs. She is also able to improve herself with fitness, nutrition, and routine medical care. Nothing can change this fact. She is able to plan to have children or to not. A fertilized egg, bundle of cells, or a fetus cannot change this fact even if it hurts your feelings.”

            Follow the logic? Is that supposed to be an argument?

            You follow the logic, if you can. I’ll use your irrelevant statements above (in quotes) to illustrate why you haven’t made an argument for abortion.

            “My New Straw Man Argument” (according to Tim):
            Follow the logic where a man’s body is his own. He is able to hurt himself including starvation, body mutilation, tattoos, sterilization, alcohol, legal drugs. He is also able to improve himself with fitness, nutrition, and routine medical care. Nothing can change this fact. He is able to plan to have children or to not. A human being, homo sapien, next-door neighbor, a brother, his mother, cannot change this fact even if it hurts your feelings.

            Pretend a defense attorney just delivered that argument to a jury in a murder case. His logic, in case you can’t follow it, is this:

            “Since my client has the right to use his body to hurt himself including starvation, body mutilation, tattoos, sterilization, alcohol, legal drugs. He is also able to improve himself with fitness, nutrition, and routine medical care. Nothing can change this fact. He is able to plan to have children or to not. A human being, homo sapien, next-door neighbor, a brother, his mother, cannot change this fact even if it hurts your feelings. Therefore, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, my client also has the right to take an innocent human life. I urge you to acquit. Your honor, I rest my case.”

            Let me put that in shorthand: Since my client has the right to do MANY THINGS with his body (hurtful or helpful) it therefore follows, that my client can do ANYTHING with his body, including murder.

            How powerful, persuasive, and morally relevant would this argument be in persuading a jury that a man who had committed a murder should be acquitted?

            Absurd!

          • Andrew

            LOL! No, Tim, it’s you who deviate from the topic while offering up fallacious and/or irrelevant analogies.

            I’ve answered the great majority of your questions, and responded with reductios, while you have yet to answer any of my questions or even superficially engaged anything I’ve written. Instead you ask more questions. We’re not discussing fertility treatments, IVF, couples who are infertile, or surrogacy! I’m not answering any more questions until you answer mine and begin to show how my points are invalid or irrelevant.

            And if you think your statement about tattoos, sterilization, nutrition, etc. is some kind of valid argument for abortion, you’re misguided. I GET your claims:

            1. That a woman should be able to do ANYTHING with
            her body.
            Current law, and morality demonstrate that you are wrong, and nothing can “change this fact even if it hurts your feelings.”

            2. That because something IS legal, therefore it OUGHT to be legal.
            Constantly repeating the IS/OUGHT fallacy doesn’t eliminate the fallacy, and nothing can “change this fact even if it hurts your feelings.”

            Since you’ve never responded to my questions about slavery and genocide, I must conclude that since they were once LEGAL you would have, at the time, supported both. If so, you’re a moral monster, and if not, you need to quit using this “logic” to defend the morality of abortion.

            Until you engage, in logical fashion, the many questions I have asked you, and/or comments that I’ve made (in many different replies to you), don’t ask me any more questions.

          • Saul of Marsus

            you mean mother win/baby lose

          • Kathie Forney

            Win/win for who? The dead baby?

          • Denise Rogers

            and the BOY to have sex without responsibility…..because THE boy doesn’t like to have sex with a condom on……..

          • prolifemama

            Why, why, why does the argument ALWAYS come around to $$$?
            Tim, do you seriously value cash over human beings?

            Pathetic too, that you felt it necessary to upvote your own comment.

            Why would that be, do you suppose?

          • Itsjust Penny

            Birth control pills and condoms have always been free at the local health department and all things covered at pp facilities are included in every insurance plan, per the ACA. There is no need to continue to give pp over $550 million of taxpayer money annually for things that people are paying for with their insurance plan already.

          • francie

            So money is more important than life itself? Money is to serve life, not the other way around (as in this video).

          • Sarai Yochana

            You are a fool.

          • Mys77

            How very evil of you to think that. How very inhumane of you to believe that. How very barbaric of you to say that. But like most men, won’t take responsibility for creating life, but prefer to kill it, rather than get themselves fixed, provide for the children they create, and to value life of an “innocent” child. I am thinking, you shouldn’t of been born, or given the chance to live….how do you like me making the call on whether you live or die?

          • retona4

            How do you like imagining yourself murdering homosexuals? You’re sick.

          • Mys77

            Retona you retard, you claim to be satan.

          • retona4

            Who’s retona?

          • Tim Duncan

            Seems more barbaric to limit women’s rights doesn’t it? Assuming that you know what’s best in someone else’s life is ridiculous.

            For the record, I’m not pro-abortion or anti-baby at all. Not sure if anyone is pro-abortion or anti-baby. I am pro-women. I have no problem with women giving birth and raising children. I want to give women even more support.

            Give her 1-2 years paid maternity leave, subsidized child care, early preschool education for her kid. If any of these show up on the ballot, I will vote positively. If the woman does not want to keep the baby, I want her to have a safe place and support as well.

            If she wants to give up the baby for adoption? I actually know a few people that want to adopt. Support both parties. Paternity leave for the new parents to get acquainted with the new child and 3-month maternity leave for the woman.

          • Mys77

            Listen up you pitiful excuse of a man…in this day and age, you think women don’t know where babies come from? Like women don’t know how to keep their legs together and men keep their d… zipped up? It is irresponsible of both men and women to create life, and then kill it because they were drunk, stupid, lazy, foolish, and selfish. People have choices, but that also has responsibities along with it. You choose the irresponsible behavior that created a life, that young innocent life has equal rights to be born. That womans rights ended, when that new one started. I suggest you take out your paper money, look at it, and decide if paper money is worth more to you than an actual life? And if a piece of paper is more valuable to you than life, then your life must be worthless.

          • Elwyn Gaussiran

            I would say that you are as despicable as the murders in planned parenhood, but that would be judging you. So I will say that your OPINION is as dispicable as the actions of planned parenhood!

          • Andrew J. Corrales

            The boy or girl who died before even being born doesn’t win!

          • Alvin Chipmunk

            What would happen if your mother decided that option when she was pregnant with you?

          • Andrew

            Win/Win? Not for the baby!

        • PJ4

          What’s your evidence for your claim?

          • Denise Rogers

            THEIR OWN WORDS s evidence enough…..This comment is too NOC

          • PJ4

            What were their words?

          • ed herrick

            I’ll bet you’re against the death penalty because it’s cruel. Retard.

          • Denise Rogers

            I have tried to delete this comment but wouldn’t allow me…..PJ4….

          • PJ4

            Why do you want to delete it?

          • ed herrick

            Retard

      • Enrique Rempel

        If you put them to death, how exactly are you different?

        • Noc

          Eye for an eye. The scripture allows for justice for things like this. So it’s the law/order of things.

      • KA

        First off, the videos are edited to make it worse. Secondly abortiona are legal as is the woman willingly donating body parts. Thirdly chargung for handling and postage is also,legal. Fourth, PP is a leading clinic that does cancer screening for breast and uterine and ovarian cancer, they also do sex education, provide tons of birth control and are a leading womens health center. Men slso,go,there for,their “drippy dicks” for STD prevention and treatment. NO federal money is used for voluntary abortions. Imfind it interesting China drags women off the streets for forced abortions up to and including 9 months but how many of,you,protested the recent choice of China for the winter olympics? Ina part of their nation that has no water, will destroy their national forest and make homeless thousands of people.

      • MsLiberal1

        Wow, pretty far out.

      • Alvin Chipmunk

        I say definitely defend them. Not another dime of taxpayer money should go to them. If those who are for the proceedure should fully fund them. Also, in close proximity to abortion clinics, need to be crisis centers funded by those who are pro – life so the expectant mother can have a true choice. The crisis centers would council the women on what is truly involved with the abortion procedures so they’d know that before making a decision.

      • KA

        So the thousands of MEN and women who use PP for birth control, testing for AIDS and STDs, treatment for STDs, sex education, cancer screenings are what…out in the cold?

      • KA
    • Robbie Gorman

      It’s fake

      • Taylor_is_a_sexy_BEAST

        So the baby boy(Emmett) lying dead in the pie pan is just ketchup and paste?
        Those words coming out of her mouth just fell out from spell David cast on her.
        Yes the video was shorten. Nobody is going to watch hours of footage. This is just a highlight of the full footage. The news highlights full speeches and footage all the time. Is the news fake?
        You guys are clinging on to PP so hard. Will you still support them when their employees start going to jail?

        • Robbie Gorman

          And your easily duped

          • Lisa

            How do u not see it for what it is all life starts out small it’s very real and the truth hurts

          • Basset_Hound

            @troll

          • Don Newholm

            And you can’t spell ‘you’re’

          • Denise Rogers

            WHAT are you talking about?

          • Get A Grip

            I’m thinking you should be diagnosed with cognitive dissonance.

          • Kathie Forney

            You’re

      • Truth InLove316

        No, it’s not fake. I was a biology teacher for 22 years and I have seen numerous videos of embryonic and fetal life. This is the real thing.

        • Cora Blue

          Truth in love- the videos you are speaking of- were they about a fetus being dissected, or about embryonic life, or the use of fetal tissue for potential vaccines? What were they about? What did you think of seeing these things 20 years ago? I am honestly curious. I am avid watcher of all kinds of surgical procedures and I find it amazing what surgeons can do to assist a human body. (I worked in a Bone Marrow Transplant program for 4 years-totally fascinating) But, I can’t wrap my head around the selling of human fetal remains to big Science or anyone else for that matter.

    • thatdigiguy

      No tears for me…More of a feeling of “I’m so repulsed, all I can think about is how can I forget what I’ve just seen?”….

      This is barbaric on a historical level. We owe Goebbels, Hitler, Ilse Koch, and Stalin our sincere apologies.. We went to war against them, for atrocities that we’ve replicated TEN TIMES MORE!

      • Alex Andrés

        the nazis were a lot better than people think they were.

        • prolifemama

          Better than what? Than whom?

        • Linda S Canter

          Your demented….

        • KA

          Oh, they must be better than ISIS……funny someone arguing that the Nazis were better than we thought they were in a discussion on abortion. Weird.

      • Bob B Conner

        Its just Like Dr Mingala….

      • KA

        Wow, maybe doscuss that with the survivors of the concentration camps, those that were experimented on, those that had their gold filling ground out of their mouths, to see if they would like to apoligize to the nazis. You are way off track.

        • thatdigiguy

          I’d be ENTIRELY happy to hold that discussion with them (please bear in mind that I myself had family in German camps, so I’m not saying these things lightly).

          The problem with your ill-thought statement is this:

          To truly hold a rational debate, we’d need to be holding that discussion between those folks and the 52 million kids who were killed by being shredded, one limb at a time, or who were FULLY BIRTHED, then rolled onto their stomachs, had their backs sliced open, and then had their organs “harvested”, one organ at a time, for maximum “research value”.

          And since they were killed, sliced up, and sold off for their organ values, it’d be a rather difficult process to bring them together and hold a discussion as to which is worse.

          I’m sorry, but if you are NOT in utter and complete opposition to this holocaust, you are just as complicit as the Nazi soldiers who held the doors open to the gas chambers and marched the people in.

          It is time you PP defenders face the truth: you are aiding and abetting a crime against humanity. No different than Dr Mengele, Stalin, Hitler, Koche, or Goebbels. The only difference is you are sitting in the comfort of your own home without having to lift a finger, while right in your neighborhood, some butcher is spreading women’s legs and shredding their offspring, one limb at a time.

          • KA

            I am not aiding and abetting anything. abortion is legal, it is a womans right to do with what she wants with her body. When an abortion occurs and the fetus is expelled, it is more than likely already dead, just like you are when your body parts are harvested as an organ donor.

            You can dress it up as slicing and dicing but that is what they will do to you when your body parts are harvested. Eyes go to joe, heart to mary, liver to bob, fingers to fred, feet to ted, etc.

            Lets also,stick to the subject. You dont like abortion….then dont have one. But we need all to support free, wide ranging, available to all birth control then. That is where it all starts….problem is you folks dont want that either. Your mixed up biology education that thinks an IUD is an abortifact, that the pill is a sin, that the morning after pill is also an abortifact and that nothing but the rhythm method will do.

            And do the women in your life go,for their annual pap exam and have some guy ” spread their legs”, or is it voluntary. I think you may be imaging it as rape from how you express it.

            Have you ever had an abortion or an ob/ gyn exam to experience how it is done. Or just seen the right wing pics. If not, then you have a vivid imagination.

            And again, they were not sold off as you so wrongly put it. Charges for handling and shipping just like when you order something in the mail were charged,

            So lets make sure the facts are clear. Abortion-legal. Body parts NOT sold off. Charges only for s & h. Video- edited. Holocaust irrelevant to this discussion regardless if you had relatves there or not.

          • August M

            What do you mean “If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one”. I don’t think any of the aborted babies like abortion and they all had one which killed them. If you don’t like slavery then don’t buy a slave. Lack of logic.

          • shawn

            U R an idiot

          • August M

            Abortion is just as legal as killing Jews in Nazi Germany. In other words it is not legal. It cannot be legal because the law is not valid.

          • KA

            Says you, Mr. Legal Eagle. The law is legal, you dont like it. Lets stop comparing the two, you are changing the subject. The legality if abortion is legal, has been hashed and rehashed. It is legal.

          • Philbert McNutt

            Is that the threshold for you, KaKa? That it be “legal”? Slavery was “legal”, and tools like you went to war to keep it “legal” – remember?
            Jim Crow was legal, and pathetic fools like you argued that it was “legal” – remember?

            If “legal” is your threshold, KaKa, are you calling your senator and calling for investigations into the Planned Parenthoolums use of the banned partial birth abortion method to harvest baby parts?
            Are you asking them to make the Planned Parenthoodlums stop the illegal sale of baby parts………or is “legal” just your whiney excuse for allowing the wholesale slaughter of innocent unborn children?

          • KA

            No, I am asking my reps to continue funding of PP for the hundreds of thousands of cancer screenings they do yearly, for the sex education and birth control they provide, for the hundreds of thousands of tests for STDs and the treatments for them and for the services they lrovide to thousands of MEN and women in the health field.

            And again, if you want to discuss this….there is no illegal selling of parts. Fact whether you like it or not.

            And usng your logic….if no parts are donated, then it is not an issue is it. Then those that rely on stem cells for treatment of spinal cord injuries and such need to find another way to get to walk again.

          • Philbert McNutt

            Oh my gosh.

            “the hundreds of thousands of cancer screenings they do yearly”??

            Wow. You really are pathetic. No, sorry. I misspoke. That would be a disservice to pathetic people. You, KaKa, are just an ignorant tool.

          • KA

            http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/planned-parenthood-and-mammograms/

            Hundreds of thousands…..so you know what it means

          • Philbert McNutt

            The Washington Post doled out a three (out of four)
            Pinocchio rating for the White House’s mammogram lies. “The problem here
            is that Planned Parenthood does not perform mammograms or even possess
            the necessary equipment to do so,” the paper’s resident fact-checker
            reported. “As such, the organization certainly does not ‘provide’
            mammograms.”

          • KA

            I never said nor does PP say they do Mammograms. In order to obtain a mammogram, as you cannot just walk up and get one, you have to have a referral or a RX from a physician. PP provides those referrels during routine breast exams, during routine gyno exams. But being a male, you must not know that. In addition, cancer screenings are dine via the pap smears done by certified nurse orac or physicians at PP clinics. Also,of course, for you guys, in case you never had one done, the turn your head and cough, gloved finger up the anus, ck for prostate cancer.

          • Philbert McNutt

            “I am asking my reps to continue funding of PP for the hundreds of thousands of cancer screenings they do yearly,….”

            Okay, believe your own lies. No skin off my teeth.

            Your “rep”? Your “funding”? Good stuff. Enough of you tools give them $20.00, they may be able to keep some of their doors open after they get cut off from the government spigot.

          • KA

            Well yes, we all have political representatives just like you do too. And yes, my taxes pay for PP funding for dispensing birth control, treatments for STDs, testing for STDs, sex education, birth control….by the way all STDs are up as is HIV due to cutbacks and shutdowns of PP clinics. Federal,money does not,pay for abortions, but it pays $3 trillion for the continuing Iraq war where no WMDs were EVER found to justify our continued presence there, 5 billion dollar bombers, financial support of NASCAR, etc.

          • Philbert McNutt

            I’m sorry. Did you forget your Ritalin this morning?

            What does all your blather have to do with the Planned Parenthoodlums illegally harvesting and selling baby parts for a profit? What does it do with them illegally changing the abortion procedure without the mother’s consent? What does it have to do with them using the banned partial birth abortion procedure in order to maximize their return on the harvested parts? What does it do with them delivery living children, and either killing them, or letting them die -so they can get greater profits?

            You started off by claiming that what they do is leagal – now you are whining about stuff that has nothing to do with the crimes revealed by the videos.

            Just out of curiousity, Kaka, what would the Planned Parenthoodlums have to do before you would admit that they are engaged in company-wide criminal activity? How much more evidence do you need to see before you stop playing the parrot when you repeat their lies and propaganda?

            Have you actually watched the videos? Have you watched all 5 of them? Have you viewed the unedited, full-length versions – or are you just repeating what you are told?

          • KA

            Funny how u ask questions and make comments then say it is blather when they are answered. I have things to do today which do not include continuing on with this insane diaglogue where nothing changes.

            Maybe sit in front of the mirror and argue with yourself. I am going to enjoy the outside fresh air of summer, take a boat ride w friends, have some drinks and enjoy the great day after doing some work around the house and a bit of volunteer work.

            This conversation is finished on my part. The issue will never be solved to your satisfaction until every woman is forced to carry a child she doesnt want to full term. Often without help from the sperm donor who I notice never comes up in your conversation. Nor does offering that tubal ligations and vasectomies be performed free of charge on taxpayer dollars to anyone who wants them.

            Reply all you want. I am finished with this insane dialogue.

          • Philbert McNutt

            Insane? Because I failed to go along when you changed the subject? Because you haven’t watched the videos?

            What would the Planned Parenthoodlums have to do before you would admit that they are engaged in company-wide criminal activity?

          • KA

            And thats funny, KaKa…meant to maybe get a rise outta me……..funny.

          • Philbert McNutt

            I note you failed to answer the questions. I wonder why that is?

            Just out of curiousity, Kaka, what would the Planned Parenthoodlums
            have to do before you would admit that they are engaged in company-wide
            criminal activity? How much more evidence do you need to see before you
            stop playing the parrot when you repeat their lies and propaganda?

            Haveyou actually watched the videos?

            Have you watched all 5 of them?

            Have you viewed the unedited, full-length versions – or are you just
            repeating what you are told?

            BTW, I thought you were done with this conversation.

          • Jean Ormsby Bohnhoff

            Our people in DC need a overhaul and a reality check. They are all corrupt politicians. If the Feds stopped the financial waste, we would be out of debt. 9/11 happened. We were attacked. We counter attacked. That is what we should have done. We were kept safe. Nascar: not sure why we would fund them as they are not a non profit but at least they are not breaking the law.

          • Jean Ormsby Bohnhoff

            There are many places that do cancer screenings that are not breaking the law. Take the funding from PP and give it to the clinics that are not criminals.

          • Valerie Finnigan

            Don’t make it out like PP does anything special that a gajillion other health care providers don’t also do for Medicaid patients. Heck, a lot of legitimate health care providers do mammograms in house.

            And even if Planned Parenthood did some good things, that doesn’t change the fact that they are butchering babies for profit and in many ways continuing their founder’s racist, classist, and ableist legacy. There are other non-profit community health organizations as well as individual health care providers who serve the needy without killing and butchering people for money. They deserve the funding PP should lose, but because Freemed and similar programs don’t have professional lobbyists and the budget PP has to buy politicians, they’re not likely to get it.

          • dwarf

            In the chart they issued a few days ago, PP says they do a lot of mammograms.

          • dlh8

            NOT TRUE. You do not need a RX for a Mammogram.You can just walk up to many clinics and hospitals and get a mammogram. My local clinic has a sign out right now that says Mammograms – No appointment necessary.

            The loss of PP would not impact the care of women. Women can receive all the care they need from clinics that actually provide mammograms.

          • LJ

            Amen!!!

          • dwarf

            This is for people who say Planned Parenthood provides so many services for
            women. Here are the facts. Planned Parenthood should NEVER be your “go to” for healthcare.

            Planned Parenthood does NOT provide:
            -Mammograms
            -Prenatal Care
            -Breast Biopsies
            -Breast Cancer Diagnostic Care
            -Primary Health Care
            -Diabetes Treatment
            -Treatment for Elevated Cholesterol
            -Treatment for Elevated Blood Pressure
            -Holistic Medicine
            -Obstetrical Care
            -Pediatric Care
            -Care for HIV Positive Individuals
            -Infertility Treatments
            -Natural Family Planning Instruction
            -Care for Uterine Fibroids
            -Treatment for Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome
            -Adoption Placement
            -Prostate Exams
            -Uterine Laser Ablation
            -Cervical Laser Ablation
            -Miscarriage Management
            -Bladder Disorders and Urinary Problems
            -Prolapsed Pelvic Floor Concerns
            -Laparoscopic Procedures
            -Hysterectomy
            -Treatment of Endometriosis
            -Polyp Removal
            -Endometrial Ablation
            -BRCA Testing
            -Bone Density Testing
            -Treatment of Pelvic Pain
            -Treatment of Vulvar Pain
            -Molar Pregnancy Follow Up

            Planned Parenthood DOES provide:
            -First and Second Trimester Abortions
            -Limited STD testing and treatment
            -Pap Smears for Women in Child Bearing Years
            -Limited Contraceptive Methods

            Just wanted to put some of the myths to rest.

            ~Abby Johnson

          • KA

            PP never claimed they did any of those. Your dentist doesnt do them either, thats why you dont go to your dds for a pap smear.

            You are arging apples and oranges. Makes no sense to discuss medical procedures they do not do. Why are you mentioning medical procedures they do not profess to be doing?

            I dont and wouldnt go to my OB/GYN for pediatric care, mammagrams, HIV care, primary health care or any of the other issues you mention above. So, am confused as to whynyou bring ip a totally irrelevant set of med procedures that simply muddles the issue with items that are not germane to the issue?

            Other than to,draw support from those who don’t see this for what it is……irrelevant issues or the idea that throwing out a list of what PP doesnt do ( even tho they do not claim to do them anyway) makes you seem smart.

          • Philbert McNutt

            #abortplannedparenthood

          • dwarf

            PP has claimed many times that they do most of those things. Almost every PP supporter I’ve come across believes that they do mammograms and so many others. Oh, and did you know that PP sprouted the mammogram lie again not too long ago? It’s caught on tape and on YouTube. Of course you won’t watch it and clam that it’s faked or you will watch it and still claim it’s fake. ‘Cause that’s what you guys are best at, right? :)

            I’ve never done anything just to “draw support” in my life and I don’t intend to start doing that right now. Even though, you poor-choicers seem to travel in packs, I’m more of a loner. Always have, always will be.

          • KA

            Yes, this particular youtube video is edited, heavily. In order to receive a mammagram from a lab you need a referral much like an Rx. You dont just walk in and get one. PP gives those prescriptions. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aq0kBkUZbvQ

            And yes, I do believe you and the rest of the pro lifers on this site want to only quote and only use what supports your opinions and your beliefs as to what PP does and what is legal and what is not legal. Otherwise you have no leg to stand on other than how you think things should be.

            Funny, I seem to see lots of people, no one person standing alone, holding signs at anti abortion rallys . You must do it your own way.

            Maybe look up a video in youtube, the one you referenced, from a NON anti abortion group so I can see and hear for myself a PP rep stating they actually do Mammograms. Post it so I am not wasting my time searching for it.

          • dwarf

            Knew you’d say that. ;)

            Well, some may, but I’m not a lot like other people, even other pro-lifers.

            The only real anti-abortion rally I’ve been to was the March for Life in Washington DC, but I usually do my own kind of thing.

            Well, of course you wouldn’t believe it anyway because that’s the way you are but, alright. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq0kBkUZbvQ

          • KA

            You cannot admit that this video is heavily edited! Really? The most important thing to you is yeah, I do my own thing. This video is totally edited. What is your definition of edit?

          • dwarf

            That which video is edited? There are five, and all of them were edited to shorten them because they’re several hours long. Like I said, the unedited versions are free for you to see if you want to watch one for three hours.

            “The most important thing to you is yeah, I do my own thing.” What were you trying to say? That sentence doesn’t make any sense.

            The beginning is edited to cut off the rest of what she was saying and emphasize the fact that she basically said that PP does mammograms. The rest of the video is PP works saying they don’t. So… Yeah. Cecile lied.

          • KA

            The video you included in your statement above…that video is heavily edited. Sheesh, how is it you can say one thing then turn around and say the opposite. You might want to listen to this interview. http://onpoint.wbur.org/2015/08/11/planned-parenthood-defund-defend-abortion-debate

          • dwarf

            What am I saying the opposite of? You’re just really confusing me at this point. I asked you to clarify a sentence in your last comment, but you haven’t. Now you’re saying I’m switching. Are you trying to make my brain explode?

          • Jean Ormsby Bohnhoff

            KA:. Many organizations can do those things. PP are CRIMINALS! we should not give federal money to criminals. What they are doing is illegal. They need to be prosecuted and if they want to stay in business they need to become a for profit or get their funding from private entities. Hey maybe you can give them part of your paycheck but I do not want mine to go to them. There are many law abiding non profits that I can donate too.

          • Andrew

            KA is unable to connect the dots between the legality of slavery and the legality of abortion. That would require just a modicum of logical and moral coherence!

          • Dillusional

            You are entitled to this set of thoughts no more so than the rest of us are entitled to ours. Don’t live here if you are going to disrespect that right of others.

          • Mike

            Hey, I have an idea. If you can’t afford a baby, don’t lie down and do the dirty deed. Killing babies is NOT birth control. Its murder. That said, harvesting baby parts from someone that was not allowed to live is not the same as being an organ donor, unless they decide to take your parts without your permission and before you’re dead.

          • KA

            Please all of you remember, it is also the MALES part to make sure that their sexual encounters do NOT result in a pregnancy that they are then held responsible as the sperm donor. You are all responsible to wear condoms since that is the only thing open to you unless you went to get your vasectomy which prevents any unwanted pregnancies very well.

            Having sex with anything that will have you is partly responsible for unwanted pregnancies and therefore abortions. PREVENTING pregnancies is the key.

            Mike, hope you are doing your part.

          • Jean Ormsby Bohnhoff

            There are many laws that should not be on the books. The ones who made this a law made a huge mistake. Oral sex is illegal also. Is it right that it is a law? It is a law that a child in daycare MUST no longer drink from a sippy cup after their second birthday. WHAT ???? Just because it is a law does not make it right. My daughter was born at 24 weeks. She lived and is 6 now. Is it ok to rip a baby out of the womb at 23 week? 24 week? Who decides where we draw the line and is that person right???? Let the babies live.

          • August M

            Abortion is a hell of a lot worse than rape. It is the worst thing that can happen to a woman. It is a crime against humanity and a (murderous) assault on the very nature of womanhood.

          • Justanotherperson987

            That is just ignorant and hateful to say that abortion is worse than rape. Your way of thinking is incoherent and just plain stupid. Bet your a bible humper too. Which makes what I’m saying much sweeter. I have seen the results of both rape and abortion, neither of them are pretty. You are being insensitive to others and just plain hateful. I hope your “god” sees this and punishes you for judging people and making such mean comments, even about WW2, where so many lives were lost. You are exactly what is wrong with this world. Hateful, hateful, hateful. Ugly, ugly, ugly. In your heart and in your mind. I hope a moment changes your thinking one day and you can truly learn to keep your mouth shut and agree to disagree. And I will no longer contribute to this discussion, I am not interested in hearing what someone like you has to reply with…

          • Mary O

            You’re not interested in hearing what someone like me has to say because you don’t want to read an opposing point-of-view. Whether you’re reading this or not, others will, so I will continue.

            I pray a moment changes your thinking one day and you will truly learn to keep your eyes open and see the (realized or unrealized) turmoil of others (in this case, unwanted pregnancies) and give of yourself rather than live a life of tolerance or oblivion.

            When you begin to sacrifice yourself for others (and their unwanted, unborn children), you will understand and live the full meaning of Love, which is incompatible with the indifference that lives in your heart.

            Do not expect that everyone should live their own life and ignore those around them. We all need each other. Someday, it may be you.

          • KA

            You pray to empty air. IF theres a god, and bet you call it HE, it is souless, tyrannical, spiteful and bet it is the devil you are praying to. What GOD in their right mind would allow rape? Allow abortion? Allow children to be beaten , drowned, strangled, hung, stabbed, shot, drugged…allow animals to be skinned alive, hung so the human thinks the meat is sweeter, stabbed to death twenty times in religous practices, have their blood drunk…..puppies raised in hellholes, kittens squashed under spike heels by sexual deviants, wild animals wiped off the face off the earth for mining, millions of acres of woodlands cut down for roads, oceans polluted by sewage and garbage…..tell me. Who do you pray to….and has it made a difference?

          • Andrew

            KA, if there is no God, what’s your alternative? Is it evolution and survival of the fittest? If so, it’s another demonstration of your incoherence. You are obviously against child abuse, animal cruelty, ecological irresponsibility, etc. Don’t you realize, if evolution and survival of the fittest are true, all the things for which you express moral outrage are CAUSED by evolution and/or survival of the fittest? In other words, if your worldview is true, the universe doesn’t care about morality or immorality! So, why do you care?

          • David Alan Estes

            God doesn’t allow it. YOU do KA. You and everyone else who says its a right to choose abortion. God’s laws are clear. The hardened hearts of people make laws that allow murder of innocent children in effect desensitizing humanity to replace their own desires for the laws of the Creator. Did you know God is pro-choice. God gave you a choice, and what you choose is the only determiner of your eternal fate. God is absolute love and His pro-choice sacrifice was offered to you so you can have life, and have it more abundantly.

          • KA

            Bet you made a special effort not to use the pronoun “he ” in responding.

            God loves life and gives us all a choice….? so the kids who are molested by gods little worker bees, the priests, what were their choices? What choices were those voices of god speaking when asking the kids to,put their hands here…and here. And their mouths……what choices are those who skin animals alive making! What choices are those who repeatedly stab cows, and goats to death for sacrifices making? In the name of religion I might add. Where is the god loves life in these choices? Hmmm….daily, i see, hear, read wonder what god is it that allows these horrors. But dont forget,,,,all,ya gotta do is repent and be blessed and apologize and then all is good.

            Please do not expect a reply in this one….am done w the religious side of it. It is all conjecture …..

          • Valerie Finnigan

            Fine by me. There are plenty of scientifically based arguments specific to no religion to call elective abortion what it is- the deliberate taking of innocent human life- and to denounce that as evil.

          • Justanotherperson987

            Your thoughts are an incoherent way of thinking.. you would never understand the true world and what it offers because you are wrapped up in a fantasy. You can’t prove the existence of “God” anymore than I can prove that there is a cork screw orbiting around Saturn. Arguments thereafter are irrelevant, and above all, not important.

          • Justanotherperson987

            Your thoughts are an incoherent way of thinking.. you would never understand the true world and what it offers because you are wrapped up in a fantasy. You can’t prove the existence of “God” anymore than I can prove that there is a cork screw orbiting around Saturn. Arguments thereafter are irrelevant, and above all, not important. It’s like arguing that I own a fairy in my den. Dumb. Irrelevant. Not believable. Your hell is a figment of your sick imagination. A scare tactic you were taught either as a child or in a moment of desperation (like your belief in a god).

          • rhonda

            God doesn’t allow for any of that. He gives us all free will to do as we desire. God gives us a sound mind and if we choose to use it for evil then that is our choice. Proverbs 16 :9 The heart of man plans his way,but the lord establishes his steps

          • Jerry Lake

            Killing babies is far worse abortion…. it is people like you who will be judged by God!!! It is liberal baby killers like you that is wrong with this world!!! I bet you also support NAMBLA, sodomites, atheism, and other evil things!!!

          • shawn

            Sodomites,lol

          • shawn

            Fuck off old man,thankfully you’ll be dead soon.

          • KA

            How is aetheism evil? I thought your god was all loving, all caring, all compassionate…how could it then judge me no matter what i think or do? Plus I could be all’of those,things…..and if I repent and take your god into my heart before I Die….voila……all is forgiven and off thru the pearly gates i go.

          • Andrew

            So, if there were a God, what would you prefer? Would you prefer that He be judgmental or compassionate and forgiving? From the comments above, you imply that you despise both. If you despise both, why are you so JUDGMENTAL of pro-lifers and so COMPASSIONATE to the pro-abortion crowd? Is it because of cognitive dissonance?

          • KA

            Right there…god= he.

            Lets not go into religion even tho you are steeped in it. Just like you will not chg my mind on abortion, religion will not be entered into this.

            And speaking of judgmental…wow……pot calling the kettle black here. I ask for facts, you deal in emotion. Everything you say is your opinion as a man, as a pastor steeped in ingrained theories, and from a perspective of a person with a disability and a life threatening illness. All things that give you different perspectives on this issue.

            Are you worried if PP gets fed money, $$ for your livelihood will be diminished?

            I am pro facts, pro what is legal and pro supporting PP . Prolifers have theirmagenda and much of,it seems to be based on lies, inunendos, distortions and denying birth control,which would certainly slow down abortions….which bnthe way are less and less each year due to increased bc and sex education.

          • Andrew

            You deal with facts? That’s hilarious.

          • KA

            For example?

          • Andrew

            I’ll get back to you. I’m going to watch the new (probably lame) Mission Impossible with my adopted kids and wife.
            Update: It was actually pretty good.

          • Andrew

            I’ve lost count of your emotional (not factual) ad hominem arguments. By the way, would you give me your definition of the word fact?

          • KA

            Laugh out loud here……you cannot come up with any obviously then or you would be doing it now…..vociferously. Very funny.

          • Andy Walker

            Yes, LOL! It’s incredible that I cite, and carefully step through a bona fide ad hominem argument you made and you say I cannot come up with any obviously. I noticed you haven’t answered ANY of my questions or refuted (with facts)) ANY of my claims or assertions, including my last request for your definition of the word fact. You won’t deal with the content of any of my posts. Afraid?

            I’ll give you this much, you’re a master at deflection and the old wannabe debater’s shuck and jive! Touché!

          • Andrew

            Since you obviously cannot recognize an example of your
            fact-free or irrelevant facts (read that as emotional, ad hominem, condescending) posts, here are a “few” more (probably a waste of time, considering facts doesn’t seem to be a priority for you):

            RA
            “Wow, maybe doscuss (sic) that with the survivors of the concentration camps, those that were experimented on, those that had their gold filling ground out of their mouths, to see if they would like to apoligize to the nazis. You are way off track.”

            1. Where are your “facts”?

            RA
            “…abortion is legal,…”

            2. Irrelevant fact – slavery was also legal in America for decades.

            RA
            “It is a womans right to do with what she wants with her body.”

            3. Logical fallacy – This is begging the question (Petitio Principii or circular reasoning) since you are declaring as fact the very question being debated!

            4. The baby in the womb IS NOT the mother’s body.

            5. Even if it was her body, it doesn’t follow that she can do whatever she wants with her body, since there are already laws that prohibit a man or a woman from doing certain things to their bodies (e.g. Illicit drug use, and drinking too much alcohol and driving.

            RA
            “…You dont like abortion….then dont have one.”

            6. Faulty reasoning – it’s the moral equivalent to saying, “You don’t like slavery, then don’t buy one.”

            RA
            “But we need all to support free, wide ranging, available to all birth control then.”

            7. Logical fallacy – Jumping to the conclusion or Hasty Generalization – asserting a conclusion without providing a rationally valid argument.

            RA
            “Your mixed up biology education…”

            8. Logical fallacy – Argumentum Ad Hominem – attacking the person rather than their argument.

            RA
            “… [pro-lifers think] that the morning after pill is also an abortifact (sic)…”

            9. Logical fallacy – begging the question and

            10. The Persuasive Definition fallacy.

            By “abortifact” RA was trying to write abortifacient. RA wants to argue that the “morning after pill” doesn’t ever cause abortion. To successfully make that argument RA has to assume (notice no argument was offered) that when the morning after pill prevents a fertilized egg (conceptus, zygote) from attaching to the uterine wall, and it therefore dies, an abortion has not occurred.

            Medical professionals agree that ONE of the functions of the morning after pill is to prevent such attachment. The debate as to whether it is ever an abortifacient (causes an abortion) depends upon the the definition of abortion.

            Because Pro-life advocates argue that life begins at conception, they also argue that an abortion occurs whenever a fertilized egg (conceptus) is killed. Natural miscarriage is not considered an abortion. A fertilized egg can be killed or die in at least three ways:
            a. Miscarriage – the conceptus DIES from known or
            unknown natural causes.
            b. Mechanical or traditional abortion – a person KILLS
            the conceptus through various physical means (e.g.
            D&C, Saline Poisoning, etc.). This form of abortion
            occurs AFTER the fertilized egg has attached to the
            uterine wall.
            c. Chemical abortion – the conceptus is KILLED by
            PREVENTING the fertilized egg from attaching to the
            uterine wall (e.g. the morning after pill).

            Pro-abortion advocates tend to argue that it is not necessarily the case that life begins at conception. Some, even argue that an abortion only occurs AFTER the fertilized egg attaches to the uterine wall. Therefore they can claim that the morning after pill does not cause abortions.

            Because there is no agreement between the two groups as to WHEN an abortion takes place (before or after attachment), there can be no consensus as to whether the morning after pill is, or is not, an abortifacient.

            Notice RA ASSUMES, without presenting facts in the form of a valid argument, that his definition is the correct one. But that is begging the question, a logical fallacy. And he also commits (probably unwittingly) the Persuasive Definition fallacy by using a definition that favors his position, thus giving the casual reader the impression that his definition is the valid (or only) one.

            RA
            “Holocaust irrelevant to this discussion regardless if you had relatves (sic) there or not.”

            11. Once again, the Petitio Principii or circular reasoning
            or begging the question fallacy. He’s declaring as
            fact, and without a valid argument, the very question
            being debated.

            The Holocaust is actually completely relevant to abortion if abortion IS murder (the intentional taking of innocent human life). = The pro-life position.

            The Holocaust IS irrelevant to abortion if abortion IS NOT murder. = The pro-abortion position.

            RA simply declares, (without any argument) as fact, the very question being debated as if his position is the correct one. Thus he assumes what he hasn’t proven.

            RA
            “Says you, Mr. Legal Eagle. The law is legal, you dont (sic) like it. Lets (sic) stop comparing the two, you are changing the subject. The legality if abortion is legal, has been hashed and rehashed. It is legal.”

            12. RA begins with name calling, a form of the ad
            hominem fallacy.

            13. RA commits, again, the Irrelevant Conclusion (see
            above) with redundant redundancy.

            14. RA commits the Is/Ought fallacy. Declaring that
            something that IS the case, OUGHT to be the case.

            For example, It IS the case that many people live in
            poverty, therefore it OUGHT to be the case that many
            people live in poverty. This is a declaration that I think
            RA would reject!

            Going back in time, before the abolition of slavery, the
            fallacy would sound like this.
            Slave owner says,
            “Slavery is legal! The legality of slavery is legal. has
            been hashed and rehashed. It is legal!”

            What’s he assuming in his confident assertion? He
            assumes that since slavery IS legal, therefore slavery
            OUGHT to be legal. This is an another assertion that I
            think RA would reject!

            Yet RA repeatedly commits this is/ought fallacy! Many
            pro-abortion advocates do the same.

            Now, RA, you asked for an example of my charge that you really don’t “deal with facts,” instead you resort (wittingly or unwittingly) to employing numerous logical fallacies in your posts. When you DO deal in facts, a great number of them are not germane (relevant) to the debate. Here I’ve given you 14 examples in just your first three posts, and without vociferation.

          • Andrew

            KA! I’m not hung up on the gender of God. “He” is simply
            traditional nomenclature for God. It is not an indication of some latent misogyny in my thinking. If you prefer “She,” would that be an indication that you have an unconscious misandry?

            As far as “let’s not go into religion,” YOU introduced the subject when you responded to Jerry Lake! I was simply asking you a question about your preferences IF there was a God. You object to God judging you, then just a moment later you are disgusted if God is compassionate and forgives. It seems you despise judging and compassion, so God couldn’t please you one way or the other! Yet, you do the very things you despise (if God does them). You judge pro-lifers and show compassion to pro-abortion advocates.

            I wasn’t calling the kettle black. I admire people who make judgements and people who are compassionate and forgiving. I was pointing out that you seem to despise those characteristics when God displays them, but you don’t despise them when YOU engage in them. Can you explain that?

            When have you asked me for facts? How does my being “steeped” in religion render my perspective invalid. I could simply retort,

            “Everything you say is your opinion as a man, as an atheist steeped in ingrained theories of materialism and naturalism,, and from a perspective of a person with an extreme phobia that somebody may be living on partial or full government support, as if you’re the only citizen that pays taxes; all things that give you different perspectives on this issue.”

            That’s called an Ad Hominem argument and it’s a logical fallacy. An ad hominem attacks the person rather than the arguments he (or she!!!) makes. Ironically (since you only deal in facts), it’s an emotional argument, not a rational argument.

            And, no, I’m not worried that if PP gets federal funds my life will be diminished. I don’t receive government money for my disability, I receive assistance through disabilty insurance that my employer paid into for over 15 years, as if any of this is your business. I also paid into Social Security for 35 years, yet I’m not receiving Social Security Disability support even though I am eligible for such support.

            Reading several of your posts, YOU, on the other hand, sure seem to be deathly afraid that someone might be receiving government support as though you were the only American who has ever paid taxes! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

            You claim to deal in facts, but instead engage in emotional ad hominem attacks on persons rather than their arguments. Your last paragraph is just one more instance of ad hominem, emotional attacks,

            “Prolifers have their agenda and much of it seems to be based on lies, inunendos, distortions and denying birth control,…”

            That’s REALLY dealing with the facts of the debate!

            Why are you willing to discuss religion when it suits you, but refuse to discuss it with someone “steeped” in it?

          • Andrew

            You’re a walking-talking contradiction!

          • Andrew

            And they call conservatives closed-minded!

          • dwarf

            As someone who knows several rape victims (one of them is my niece), abortion is worse than rape. One of the rape victims I know aborted the baby she conceived and has regretted it ever since. Every day, she says, “She could have been my little girl to guide me in that time. I could be braiding her hair or reading her a story right now.” Then, she starts crying. She goes though this every. Single. Day.

          • KA

            Funny how you can speak for a woman. Have you been raped? Have you had an abortion? Have you been 15, raped by your uncle and ended up pregnant? Hmmm……my guess is……no.

          • Andrew

            Here is KA logic: “If you’re not a woman, you can’t object to anything a woman does.” Seriously, KA, do you really want to make that asinine claim?

          • KA

            Unless something affects you, how can you say what you would do? You cant. Just like people who say ” if that was my kid I’d….” Or ” if I was her, I would….” You can object all,ypu want,,,,but unkess you personally are in a situation, ypu cannot have a clue as to what to,do, how you will feel, where to go.

            Just like I cannot speak as to what YOU personally should do if you were diagnosed with cancer. I am not you nor should I tell you what you should or should not do . It is your body….maybe my money tho if you are on medicaid or govt money.

          • Andrew

            Following your logic:
            If I had no children (and the frustrations they sometimes cause) I can’t speak against child abuse because I’m not personally affected by, nor do I understand, the frustrations that come with having children.

            So, unless I HAVE children and the corresponding UNDERSTANDING of parental frustrations, I can’t express my opposition to child abuse.

            Come on, KA I think you’re smarter than that! Legislators make laws every day that do not directly affect them and these same legislators have no personal understanding of how such laws will adversely affect the people who will be forced to abide by those laws.

            Following your logic, I could argue that since you are not a pro-life advocate and don’t personally understand the pro-life advocate’s moral repulsion and visceral opposition to abortion, you should not criticize pro-life advocates. Yet, here you are criticizing people you really don’t understand because you’re a pro-abortion advocate.

            You mention, “It is your body…” That’s just the point pro-life advocates argue, a baby is NOT the woman’s body.

          • Valerie Finnigan

            Except elective abortion doesn’t just affect your body. Those arms and legs, those kidneys, that liver, that brain- none of those are your body parts. I generally believe that what a person does with his or her own body is his or her own business, but the line in a just society is drawn when one person’s choice causes harm to another person’s body. The human fetus is not a part of the mother’s body, and if you believe in human equality, it would only be logical that the fetus has as much right to life and security of person as his or her mother does.

            The fact is that pro-aborts don’t believe all people are equal.

          • dwarf

            My niece was raped. She gave birth to her son in March, and she’ll be 16 this month. She dropped out of school so that she could work to help support her son and younger brother’s. Her boyfriend broke up with her after she refused to abort her (his words) “rapist’s spawn”. Many of her friends tried to get her to have an abortion, but luckily my niece is stronger than the women that kill their kids because “the time wasn’t right”. Did this 15-year-old have time for a newborn in her busy high school life? Heck no!

          • Mary

            KA, I feel your pain…you respond as a person with very deep wounds. You need to know that God did not cause your original wound or forsake you but that He gives us all free choice out of love and will not control any of us by force (even those who choose to commit awful evil acts against other helpless people). But He was and continues to be with you and loves you deeply despite all things. Rather than responding in anger and blame for your own choices, please turn to Him and ask to be forgiven and healed. Yes, He is a merciful and compassionate God and He will most definitely embrace you with love and total acceptance as His beloved daughter when you turn to Him with heartfelt contrition and humility. However, make no mistake, He is no fool and His mercy and goodness will not be taken for granted. You would be sorely wrong to continue on with this mindset that you can defend these issues now and simply “repent” and call on His great mercy at the hour of your death and be saved. I am exhorting you, sister, Hell is very real and the people who practice and support these heinous sins against humanity without sincere regret and contrition for them will realize it for all eternity. Turn to the Father now for forgiveness, wash your sins in the Precious Blood of Jesus, and ask the Holy Spirit to flood your soul and body with the warmth of His healing and peace. Then all will be clear and you will see with new light where the devil is hiding in ALL of these issues and how they fit into his plan to destroy your life. Peace, Mary

          • KA

            Oh pul-lease…. Spare me the BS. You people have waited thousands of years to have a rebirth, have said the earth is only 5,000 years old, have slaughterd millions of animals in the name f religion, millions of humans, have written books that are full of blood, pain, sacrifice sexism …think they call them bibles ….have made religion the dominant reason for war, putting women in insane asylums and quasi prisons for just being women or girls….and on and on please stop your arm chair psychobable of me or anyone else based on one tiny part of what you think you know. I want none of your prayers or your anything. Go out and save an animal that was hit at the side of the road, donate your time but not your speak to a cause that is NOT religion based…..and stop with the bible thumping. It is truly wasted on me. So your god,gave the choice to a child to be raped, the choice to an animal to be skinned alive, the choice to a man to be blown up by a mine, the choice to the whale to be blown up by a harpoon…..right. Laughable.

          • Volumes

            Abortion is murder period. And it is not a woman’s right to choose. It’s not the baby’s fault. That is what’s wrong with the world, no morals, a reprobate mindset, where right is now wrong and wrong is now right. Humanity is in trouble and it is only going to get worse as last days continue….think of my opinion as you will, doesn’t matter….abortion is murder. Life begins at conception.period.

          • KA

            The last days on this planet will be filled with NOTHING but humans and pink slime. 7 billion humans and counting, thats 7,000,000,000 humans…eating, pooping, peeing, eating everything in site, cutting down trees, consuming the planet……..and it is all self destruction. http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

          • Sundazzle1

            You may be fine with the sale of fetal organs but the point here is that although, yes abortion is legal, the sale of human organs is illegal. And as for a woman being able to do as she wishes with her own body, the legs and other parts in the petre dish weren’t those of a woman. Planned parenthood acts barbaric. If you support Planned Parenthood, you support barbarism.

          • einstine

            Right wing pics?? do you realize what you just said??? You are comparing this to a politics? You are not a sick individual, you are an evil one.

          • thatdigiguy

            1. you’re wrong. it might be legal, but that doesn’t make it right.
            2. PP is intentionally profiting off body parts. a felony. illegal. immoral. repulsive.

            There is only ONE other point in history where we sold human body parts for a profit or used the organs of those killed against their will.. That was the Nazi concentration camps… Are you trying to defend that level of evil?

            3. women are not doing this with full knowledge.. most are misled and lied to…

            4. If you’re claiming that’s a doctored video, you need to go watch the full footage – which they released WITH THE EDITED ONE – it is all corroborative.

          • KA

            “Donating” body parts of fetuses that have been aborted or live people,that died and donated parts or live people thatndonate their parts is not illegal. Sorry. Charging for those parts is illegal….and no one does that. Charging for transporting those parts is legal …if it costs $200 to drive a kidney to,you in another city, then someone has to pay to have that done. Same for fetal tissue cells used for discoverng that those
            cells can help a paralyzed man walk.

          • Jerry Lake

            KA I can tell by the way you talk you are for abortion!!!! That makes you guilty as hell!!!!!!

          • KA

            Wow, you are a genius! So…are you for the death penalty for drs who perform abortions? For serial killers? For terrorists? For men who rape babies?

          • Andrew

            So now you’re going to make the morally absurd claim that if a person is pro-life, he/she is obligated to be against the death penalty. What utter nonsense!

            Many pro-life advocates claim that there ARE people who should be put to death, ahem, the person (serial killers, terrorists, et. al.) who is GUILTY of willfully taking the life of an INNOCENT person. There is nothing morally or logically inconsistent in being against abortion (the taking of INNOCENT human life) and for the death penalty (the taking of GUILTY human life).

            For what is the unborn guilty? What IS morally absurd is the liberal who claims to be FOR abortion (the willful taking of innocent human life) and AGAINST the death penalty (the willful taking of guilty human life)!

            Once again, you continue to demonstrate your inability to make both moral and logical distinctions!

          • Andrew

            KA, you are sick, can’t spell abortifacient, and can’t put together a logically or morally coherent thought. The unborn baby is not part of the woman’s body, it is a distinct human being with its own unique DNA. So get your facts straight and consider taking a class on biology, another on logic, and one on ethics, although I seriously doubt it would help your decadent, brainwashed, narrow-minded ideology.

          • KA

            Focus on spelling, that’ll go along way.,an unborn baby is not part of a womans body? Really? How does it survive outside of the body then at 3 days, at 3 weeks, , at 6 weeks, at 9 weeks? It needs the umbilical,cord to be connected to the womans body to be nourished, to have waste carried away….andrew, you left logic a ways back. Also arguing using facts.

          • Andrew

            I didn’t say the baby wasn’t dependent on the mother, idiot. But dependency, which continues long after the umbilical cord is severed, does not make the baby a part of the mother’s body, and it does NOT give the mother the right to kill the baby, before or after the birth. The fact that you can’t distinguish between dependency and DNA confirms my original assertion that you need a course in logic. However, taking a course in logic would only help if you had the aptitude to recognize a logical fallacy when you see one.

            The pro-abortion argument for a woman’s right to choose are usually grounded in the following assertions:
            1. “A woman should be able to choose what she will do with her own body.” This assertion is flawed for at least two reasons.
            a. Precedent – laws already prohibit what women (and
            men) can do with “their” bodies. A person, man or
            woman, cannot inject certain illicit drugs into their
            bodies. A person, man or woman, cannot drink
            more than the legal limit (determined by alcohol
            content in the blood) and drive a car. Why? DUI
            endangers the life of another. So does abortion.

            b. Science – the unborn baby is NOT the mother’s
            body. The baby has its own distinct DNA from
            conception and therefore has its own body. To be
            sure, the baby is dependent upon the mother’s body
            for nourishment and oxygen. This dependency,
            however, does not justify or legitimize a woman’s
            decision to kill the baby. Why not? The baby will
            continue to be dependent on the mother (and/or
            others) for life for years after the birth. The issue of
            dependency is true, but morally irrelevant. In what
            other instance, besides abortion, does the law allow
            a mother or a father to kill their children (1 yr. old, 2
            yr. old) BECAUSE those children are dependent on
            their parents for life? Quite to the contrary, Child
            Protective Services exists to try to insure that
            parents WON’T inflict harm on their children,
            especially the children who are MOST dependent on
            their parents for life!

          • Lenora Porzillo

            It’s still murder. And for those who believe in the 10 commandments, this killing of innocent babies violates “Thou shalt not kill.” So, for me an my house, we will serve the Lord.

          • KA

            But yet you support wars. And the bible itself is full of death, atrocities of slaughter of humans sanctioned by your god!

          • Andrew

            So, KA, are you against all wars? If so, you think the war against Hitler was wrong. If so, I apologize, there actually IS logical consistency in your worldview!

            The Bible certainly is full of death. The question is, “Are the death penalties that God imposes just or unjust?” The answer, however, would require a universe in which those moral categories exist and make sense. In the universe you propose, those moral categories neither exist or make sense. Tell me, in your “survival of the fittest” universe, when a lion kills a water buffalo, has the lion done something unjust, or is the lion simply practicing survival of the fittest?

            If what the lion has done is unjust, how do you square that moral judgment with survival of the fittest (SOTF)? If, on the other hand, the lion is only dancing to his evolutionary DNA (and consequently cannot be morally condemned) how do you legitimately object to pro-lifers who (according to your evolutionary/SOTF worldview) are also simply dancing to THEIR evolutionary DNA?

          • Justanotherperson987

            Your thoughts are an incoherent way of thinking.. you would never understand the true world and what it offers because you are wrapped up in a fantasy. You can’t prove the existence of “God” anymore than I can prove that there is a cork screw orbiting around Saturn. Arguments thereafter are irrelevant, and above all, not important. It’s like arguing that I own a fairy in my den. Dumb. Irrelevant. Not believable. Your hell is a figment of your sick imagination. A scare tactic you were taught either as a child or in a moment of desperation

          • Valerie Finnigan

            You’re very naive and likely have never shopped on ebay if you think “shipping and handling charges” are never jacked up to increase a seller’s profit. Money changes hands so that a company can obtain fetal reamins, and it’s not the post office that gets the money.

          • Mr.B

            You said, ‘ the fetus is expelled, it is more than likely already dead,’. By your own admission, it was then previously alive. The abortion killed it. That is murder.

          • Dillusional

            Well said.

          • Jean Ormsby Bohnhoff

            Yes a woman can do what she wants with her body but that baby inside of her is not her body. It is it’s own person. If she aborts that person she is committing murder. Give birth to that little person and give it up for adoption but do not kill it.
            Anyone’s right’s end at taking a life. I do not have that “right”.

          • Wanda Roberts

            Amen to you, that was very perfectly stated.Thank you.

        • August M

          Who are you to judge anything? Your logic sucks and you try to defend barbaric acts and call them normal. You have a Nazi way of thinking.

          • Lenora Porzillo

            God’s commandment: Thou shalt not kill

          • God also demanded his warriors to kill every man, woman, child, and infant. 1 Samuel 15:3
            “Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy[a] all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.” He literally demanded the babies be killed.

          • Justanotherperson987

            Your thoughts are an incoherent way of thinking.. you would never understand the true world and what it offers because you are wrapped up in a fantasy. You can’t prove the existence of “God” anymore than I can prove that there is a cork screw orbiting around Saturn. Arguments thereafter are irrelevant, and above all, not important.

          • I believe in a ‘creator’ but not god. Especially not the christian god. I believe in no such fantasy, I was merely proving that you could use such a god to make any point. And that he can’t be used as a valid reason to oppose abortion.

          • Justanotherperson987

            Apologist for religion.

      • Alvin Chipmunk

        The US and those who support abortion especially after watching videos like these are worse off than the horrible crimes committed by the Nazis and Communists.

        • Mark Gould

          Alvin Chipmunk usa no good guys they use chemical weapons in other countries

        • Jean Ormsby Bohnhoff

          I think they are equal. The systematic murder of innocent human beings is unforgivable on ALL levels. God have mercy on us.

    • I am weeping!

    • Denise Rogers

      YES, Taylor……..I belly cried… had an abortion inn1973 before ultrasound, I was 17 years old and lied to. Told that my 13 week old baby was just a bunch of cells………My heart aches for the sin I committed against the soul I denied life…..I only hope that baby prays for me in heaven…….We need to STOP ABORTION NOW!!!!!!!!

      • susan carter

        Me too! Big mistake!

      • Verity Pink

        My mum had an abortion when I was seven. She grieved for that baby every day of her life thereafter. The last Christmas she was with us, we were having a happy time as a family, and her face suddenly crumpled and the tears rolled down as she said “There should have been four of you…”
        I didn’t know about the abortion at the time – but I must have heard something about the pregnancy because I went around for weeks saying how much I would like to have a new little brother or sister. Mum and dad were desperately poor at the time, he’d had a kidney infection and his new job hadn’t been held open for him – but Mum used to describe how she wanted to run out of the clinic, but couldn’t go home still pregnant, how all she wanted to do was to protect the baby inside her. If someone had come alongside and offered her the practical support she needed, I’d have another sister right now (Mum was sure it was a girl).

    • mww

      yes….this seems “normal” for her.

    • Alex Andrés

      ive been on the internet too long for this stuff to affect me like that.

    • Alvin Chipmunk

      I seriously wanted to puke.

  • CailynAlexis

    Vile.

  • Mike Houlihan

    This is what pure evil looks like.

  • YouHateMe

    No epithet strong enough to aptly describe the nature of these spawn of pure Evil.

    • latinovet

      Baby murderers is accurate.

      • YouHateMe

        Yes sir. Call it what it is.

        • PJ4

          Morning Mi amigo

      • PJ4

        Welcome to LAN!!

        • latinovet

          Thank you PJ4!
          It is an honor to among those who love and passionate protect innocent and defenseless babies.

          • PJ4

            Honor to have you here!!! :-)

  • Morgan Judd

    That medical tech was so excited to say “It’s another boy”. Dr. Ginde said “It’s a baby”. I just feel so…. sick. No other words can describe. This video is PROOF that they are selling. Dr. Ginde says it herself. President Obama supports this.

    • Kyle Thoreau

      He won’t sadly

  • Jasmine

    okay everyone, it’s up to us to SHARE THIS VIDEO in more than one way!! facebook, twitter, email (urge people to forward the email to others) tumblr/wordpress/any other type of blog, share the link in the comment sections of mainstream media news sites, etc. SPREAD THE WORD. and when you share, be sure to emphasize the fact that everyone should watch the entire video from beginning to end. that’s very important. don’t let anyone give you excuses as to why they want to avoid watching the entire video. they must see it. people have to see what’s going on. i can’t stress enough how important it is to share this video. not only that, tell others to share it. spread this video around all over the internet so that people can’t ignore it.

    • Alicia Gomez Lozano

      Absolutely! And furthermore,TAKE ACTION TO SIGN PETITIONS. I HAVE SIGNED AND CONFIRMED IN MY EMAILS ALL THE ONES FROM NATIONAL RIGHT TO LIFE TO LIVE ACTION AND I HAVE BEEN SADLY AMAZED THAT WITH ALL OUR SPREADING OF THESE HORRID VIDEOS I DO NOT SEE 3 MILLION SIGNATURES. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT?!?!?

      • Michael Scott

        Probably because you YELLED it apparently. Lol

        Truthfully, anything that needs to be out there, doesn’t get the attention it deserves.

  • PJ4

    Ok….so what part of I think a per-item thing works a little better, just because we can see how much we can get out of it doesnt sound like trying to make a profit??

    • Djinnenjous

      I tried to pre-emptively figure out how Cecile Richards might spin that the other day and came up with “They’re talking about how many useful ‘specimens’ they can get per ‘donation,’ not how much money they can make from it.” On one hand, that might be enough to win back some of the disturbed pro-abortionists who suddenly found themselves on the fence during this scandal. On the other, since we have PPFA executives testifying on camera that there’s no additional work involved in obtaining more parts from a single abortion, it *still comes back to making more money for less work, per abortion* in the end.

      • PJ4

        Hmmm….that doesn’t seem too plausible…I’m not sure clever people would buy that (doh! No pun intended)

        Of course we also have them on camera saying they could change the abortion procedure in order to get intact specimens.
        I don’t think that’s legal

        • Djinnenjous

          Sadly, in the end the general public will decide the merits of what’s on tape according to their own sheltered beliefs. One side will dismiss it as largely irrelevant or taken out of context; the other will see the horror for what it is, yet receive virtually no media vindication.

          Our only (small) hope is that legislators and judges are willing to (wo)man up and decide the case according to facts on record, not partisan spin and hyperbolic accusations of deceit and forgery.

          • PJ4

            Indeed

        • Get A Grip

          “less crunchy technique” “I want a Lamborghini” ~ executive senior PP

      • Morgan Judd

        As we can see on the video, they worked to get all of their talking points together in case they were to be “called on it”. These people are some devious liars.

  • GracieW

    I am pregnant with “another boy” (my third) and I just want to bawl thinking about that little murdered boy in a petri dish. Oh God have mercy…we pretend we’re so much more noble than jihadists who decapitate their victims in the desert but how can we honestly think we are any better??? We are just as depraved! Look what we do to our own children!!!!

    • Brooke Lorren

      I agree. I’ve been trying for years to have a third baby… and there are so many people out there who just throw those babies away like they’re nothing, instead of the precious gifts that they are…

  • cranemaker

    It’s should nauseate every American that PP would continue dismissing criminal evidence and continue dissecting babies to trade parts on the Black Market. The sad truth PP remains considering its charges is sickening to the core. Who knows how long Big Abortion shall continue exploiting Americans as an already damning case continues to accumulate evidence?

  • LG

    So sick, with tears in my eyes I write this…tiny presoius baby’s…killed…if only the women we more educated that there is another way adoption! !!!!!!!!!!!Life has no price….!!!!!!!
    I pray that the killing of little babies stop….every life does matter!!!!!!
    I pray that we look towards God and ask him to help planned parenthood be stopped, shut down!

    • Truth InLove316

      I know why not adoption when faced with the situation of an unwanted baby? It’s less than a year out of a person’s life and the child lives.

      • jmvks

        You will have to convince the mothers of this. Do you think you can?

  • Becky Mazziotti

    They will get what is coming to them one way or another !They make me sick !

  • Dillusional

    It’s awful but I’m fairly certain that a lot medical processes are equally disgusting that we are never privy to and those very disgusting things have contributed to saving lives that we probably don’t care to acknowledge or view.

    • Taylor_is_a_sexy_BEAST

      That is a little boy lying dead in that pie pan. That is NOT a tumor.

      • Dillusional

        I don’t understand your response. Tumor? What I implied is that you will never stop abortions now or ever. Historically a way was found whether it was on a kitchen table or in an alley or self inflicted and the reality is the remains of that process are flushed away and a high risk of death or infection or long term affects are common after those types of procedures. I just believe having them done by a medical professional in a sterile hospital or clinical environment is better and if something good might come out of it what would be so awful…at the very least if it could contribute to saving lives I’d prefer that to a totally senseless act. I have accepted that abortion exists, always has and will.

    • MikeL

      The ends doesn’t justify the means. That is exactly the justification the Nazis pawned off on its people.

    • Jasmine

      if you care about saving lives then you should be against abortion.

      • Tripper

        Humans are CHEAP! I’d rather save the majestic animals! And just so you all know If you have EVER used a Bayer Product… You have benefited from the suffering of Jews!

    • Alicia Gomez Lozano

      It is the deliberate act of killing to procure life saving possibilities. Women who are losing g children in miscarriages are Not deliberately killing their children when they choose to donate their child’s remains. Also, I having 6 children now adults. Have encouraged my daughter’s to donate the placenta and cord for medical science. Furthermore, science is proving that adult stem cells are more promising. There is no justification to murder babies in the womb.

    • Basset_Hound

      Other medical procedures that save lives don’t involve killing a healthy individual and chopping them up for spare parts.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        The “dog” shows her bite!

  • Taylor_is_a_sexy_BEAST

    I went to Politico and they STILL support PP after watching the video. I just do not understand them.

    • Philbert McNutt

      They are proglodytes. To them, the end justifies the means. They are so convinced of their own superiority, that whatever they do, is the right thing to do – just ask them.

  • Jasmine

    the “fetuses may come out intact” line is something i want to highlight. think about what that means. little tiny human beings are being taken out of the mother’s body and then cut open/ torn apart!! they were intact but then PP cuts them up. this is KILLING. if anyone says “this isn’t actually killing” they are telling lies to themselves that make themselves feel better.

    • Lisa

      Yes of course it’s killing and of course it’s a human life it deserves so much better if they did that to dogs everybody would be outraged to little puppies but they do it to humans and people are silent

    • Truth InLove316

      Did you catch the part about sometimes the baby coming out before they do the procedure so that those are intact?

    • Tim Duncan

      Most women when trying to get pregnant will have a few false pregnancies (also known as early miscarriages). Those usually go into the toilet and in worse cases they must visit a doctor to get the rest out. It happens naturally or medically. Is it so bad that we give women a choice to choose a medically safe procedure to get rid of the same cells?

  • Eponymous1

    A palate cleanser:

    • Cora Blue

      Thank you- truly- for posting this video. I added it to my fb account. It is a much needed spark of beauty in the midst of the dark horrors of our time.

  • 1498

    These videos are very distressing, but they need to be shared. What is going on at Planned Parenthood needs to be in the public domain.
    The liberal mainstream media would prefer if this story was forgotten and ignored. Therefore, all Pro Life people must keep spreading the word about this story.
    What is happening, must be faced and acknowledged by our society.

    • Tim Duncan

      Why not both pro-life (of women and wanted babies) AND pro-choice? I don’t like abortions but acknowledge that they’ll happen regardless. Better to have a safe place to do that. Unless it’s preferable to punishing the sinning women by forcing them to raise their godless bastards.

      • Philbert McNutt

        Nice. Just kill the kid….as long as the place they do it is “safe”.

        Do you say that when states enact requirements to bring clinics up to surgical standards?

        • Tim Duncan

          Yes, provide safe access for the woman.

          The Texas state requirement for surgical standards would be fine except it has extra requirements beyond that to increase the burden of access. Ultrasound, hospital admitting privileges, extra mandatory visits for abortion drugs, etc.

          • Philbert McNutt

            Do you lobby for safer clinics, Tim? I notice you didn’t answer the question.

          • Helene

            Tim, it’s a breath of fresh air to have you here. A man who supports women’s rights to choose! We should start giving out gold medals, for that, honestly, we would not be far out of pocket if we did.

          • Philbert McNutt

            “Yes, provide safe access for the woman”……so she can kill the kid.

            My, aren’t you the humanitarian.

  • Kimberly Hendricks Graham

    Its a boy!!! … I thought it was a blob of tissue, a fetus, a parasite, a choice, an unwanted THING. They keep telling us its NOT a baby so how can it be “… a boy!!!” *Sarcasm *puking God help us!!

  • Robbie Gorman

    It’s a fake people wake up!

    • Jasmine

      oh no, don’t try that. this is real. nothing fake about this. these videos show what abortion supporters do not want people to look at and think about.

      • Robbie Gorman

        I watched it fake

        • Jasmine

          it’s not “fake” at all. you are trying to use that excuse to pretend that PP is innocent and the video is meaningless. PP has been caught red-handed, so there’s no point in trying to deny it.

    • Philbert McNutt

      Seriously, Robbie?

      Did Cecile tell you to say that? You know it isn’t right to lie, Robbie.

      • Robbie Gorman

        I’m not lying I’m a Mormon. This video is a fake

        • Donna

          Another lie. You could not be a Mormon and defend this. We believe that abortion is wrong. And no this is not a fake. What is wrong with you????

          • Robbie Gorman

            What ward are you in?

          • Philbert McNutt

            Robbie – What makes it a “fake”? Perhaps you are just wrong?

        • Truth InLove316

          On what basis are saying this is fake? Have you been watching too much “What Would You Do?’

        • Alisha Drapeau

          Tell me this is fake?? A real live baby aborted but still alive in the killers hand and moving.AFTER ABORTION SEE HOW THIS FETUS!: https://youtu.be/sSvgmUzUn48

    • Truth InLove316

      Robbie, you are a Mormon. Why are you lying? I know that is against your beliefs.

    • Tullia_Ciceronis

      I watched the full videos. You just don’t want one of your favorite organizations to be exposed.

  • Philbert McNutt

    It hurts to think that human beings do this kind of evil – and make money doing it.

    Just evil. Plain and simple vile evilness.

  • Cora Blue

    I don’t mean to sound stupid- but WHO are the buyers of these bits of human flesh? Why isn’t someone going after the freaks who are buying baby body parts? Can any of the intact organs be used for transplants- or what? I just don’t understand. What I do understand is this is butchery of babies.

    • MamaBear

      They are used in research that needs human tissue. The organs are too small to be used in transplants, even with other babies.

      • Cora Blue

        It seems human tissue could be taken other ways. We have a long list of death row inmates who could finally be useful to society.
        I have a terrible feeling the fetal tissue isn’t just being used for science.

    • Jasmine

      stemexpress is one company that buys the parts for “research.” the center for medical progress did record a video of them, but a court ordered CMP not to release the video yet. but we will see it eventually, i’m sure.

      but, if you noticed in this newest video, the PP worker was saying things that implied that not all the fetal organs were going to research… someone else must be buying these organs too…

      • Truth InLove316

        I wonder if any of it is used for cosmetic development or food production in any way. My God, I hope not. This is making me sick to my stomach.

      • Cora Blue

        Thank you. Years ago I heard that some of the tissue was sold to cosmetic companies- to go in to creating skin creams and such. I shuddered when I heard that and put it in the rumor column of my brain. Now…I wonder. :(

        • Helene

          The ‘stem cells’ (or, rather, extracts of stem cells) which go into creams are botanical in origin.

    • Truth InLove316

      They are purchased for scientific research.

      • Cora Blue

        I don’t disbelieve you- but the only thing I can find in regards to “research” is the polio vaccination was created from a fetal kidney and won an peace prize. I haven’t had time to do more research, but believe me- I will.

    • sarah

      They are in vaccines.

  • Nan Perkins

    Sickening and I taught biology in college and dissected everything including snakes but not murdered human INNOCENT babies.

    • Truth InLove316

      Yes, me, too. I was a biology teacher too. There is no way that a person can honestly say this isn’t life.

  • Kathleen Karp

    I f these are not human babies how and why are they preserving body parts? If selling fetal body parts is illegal WHY HAVEN’T ANY OF THESE A.. HOLES BEEN ARRESTED!?

  • Katie Mast Troyer

    ?

  • Tim Duncan

    Instead of being thrown into the garbage or incinerator, the fetal bundle of cells are recycled via medical research. Is that so bad? Would everyone be happier if they had to throw all aborted fetuses away?

    • Jasmine

      it is illegal to use fetal organs for profit.

      also, you and i are “bundles of cells” too, just sayin’.

      • Tim Duncan

        Profit? Planned parenthood is a not-for-profit organization. They get reimbursed for the additional training, procedures, and supplies need to keep the specimens viable. The used aluminum drink cans are purchased by metal companies from recycling companies, the can that is otherwise trash has value.

        We’re bundle of cells that our mothers wanted to keep and raise. Congratulations to us.

        • Tullia_Ciceronis

          Yeah, which is why they haggle over the cost. If this was just reimbursement, they wouldn’t need to do that. If this was just reimbursement, they would be paid using a flat rate, not per specimen. StemExpress and other biotech companies do everything for PP, including the organ harvest. This was made clear in the full unedited second video and in the third video. All PP does is provide a corner of the POC room. They don’t even have to do storage and transportation, since biotech company personal do that for them.

          • Tim Duncan

            Costs more to keep a fetus intact than to use the vacuum. Same way that filet mignon costs more than ground beef. Besides, it would be easier (and cheaper?) to do the more straightforward procedure but the patient wanted to donate to science.

          • Tullia_Ciceronis

            It is illegal to change the procedure to preserve fetal tissue. The patients sign a consent stating that the procedure is not altered in any way. PP is lying to their patients and breaking a federal law.

          • Tim Duncan

            The bill refers to the researcher and donee (not doctor) “…had no part in any decisions as to the timing,
            method, or procedures used to terminate the pregnancy made solely for the purposes of the research.”

        • Jasmine

          we are bundles of cells that our mothers decided not to kill. if our moms wanted us dead, it would have been legal for us to be killed. we would have been torn limb from limb, like the boy shown in this latest video who was not as lucky as we are. i think that it should be illegal to kill an innocent person. i think the boy in this video should still be alive and i think it’s horrible that he was killed so brutally, don’t you agree?

          about PP being “not for profit,” notice that in the videos they said they are trying to “do a little better than break even” and they want to “see what other PP affiliates are getting,” they “don’t want to be lowballed,” they are afraid of “getting caught” if they are in an anti-abortion state, and they try to “see how much (money) they can get” out of fetuses.

          don’t be fooled. PP tries to make themselves look like a non-profit but in reality, that’s what they’re after. they say “reimbursements” but if it were just that, there would not be negotiations taking place and they would not try to find out what other PP affiliates are getting.

  • Dee

    As an ex pro choicer, I am so ashamed and embarrassed that I believed this was ok. I wish the rest of them would open their eyes to this barbaric inhumanity.

  • kwizmiss

    Feeling nauseous. Expendable humans. Soon they will harvest from mentally handicapped citizens. Another expendable…. what have we done to ourselves?!

  • frog

    Then theres “partial birth” where they breach the baby then the whole body is born before the head. Then before the head is born they reach in and suck the baby’s brains out. Thus getting a more +intact + “specimen”. Or they just reach in and start ripping the baby apart. This is all done while the baby is alive and feeling all that anguish and pain. I wonder if these sick, motherless bastards have an orgasm when they are performing this psychopathic murder. Never mind defunding these murderers, how about trying them , convicting them and sending them all straight to hell where they belong?

    • prolifemama

      @frog – Hell only yawns if they don’t repent.

      Remember St. Paul…

      With God’s grace, and Jesus’ sacrifice on the Cross, it can happen.

  • Kevin Wall

    They should be investigate, tried and go to jail. This really shows how pro-death liberals and the media can be. The only thing that could make it worse would be to name the boy Cecil and fly and Confederate flag.

  • Darlene A. Davis

    If this is “just tissue, just a fetus” than how can they call it a boy???????? Their total disregard for the sanctity of human life sickens me.

    • prolifemama

      EXCELLENT point, Darlene!

      To display consistency in their utilitarian attitude toward unborn human beings, they should have exclaimed, “Fetal male reproductive organs!”

  • SB

    Spreading this type of Media Vomit is just as bad as saying A black man raped a women so all black men must be rapist.

    • Jasmine

      i don’t understand your point at all…

  • Dee

    I try! I try so hard. I am left, liberal, feminist and atheist, so as you can guess my circles are so hard to convince. Especially when they just refuse to accept facts.

    But I get it. I was just like them, kept trying to justify it all. It was better for women. It was better for society. It was better for the unborn children etc. And then one day I just realized it was all a huge lie.

  • docrings

    I’m a surgeon and physician, and I’m sickened by this whole thing…

  • God help us! God forgive us. It takes a special kind of evil to exclaim in pride you just mutilated a boy.

  • Bill

    So the response of PP people and supporters us that the video was highly edited. It sounds like their Cristina Team is in full motion. Those who don’t want to believe the video just won’t. I would be interested to see other information surface that is irrefutable.

  • MsTheresaKelly1

    No! It’s not “our nation,” that is funding this atrocity, its you tax payers that bear responsibility for this horror!

    • prolifemama

      @MsTheresaKelly1 – More accurately, it is our reps in government making these decisions as to where our tax dollars go and how they’re spent.

      Regardless, our nation is suffering, and will continue to suffer, as long as the innocent are being so coldly used and disposed of through abortion and all its minions.

  • Bill

    So the response of PP people and supporters us that the video was highly edited. It sounds like their Cristina Team is in full motion. Those who don’t want to believe the video just won’t. I would be interested to see other information surface that is irrefutable.

    • prolifemama

      @Bill – wait for the rest of the videos. There are at the very least a dozen in total.

      • Bill

        The reaction of the people who support PP is astounding. The more that is revealed in these videos the crazier their denial gets. Even when the proof is right there in video. It gives evidence to show how dark their heart really is

        • prolifemama

          @Bill – yes, their hearts are dark indeed. I hope every prolifer aware of this current PP scandal is on their knees, praying for this sick and hell-bound empire. Their souls are in danger. They are our brothers and sisters, and in much more desperate need than the precious innocents they kill and market.

  • mww

    All the while she is eating…….incensed.

  • susan carter

    Will somebody please tell me what those body parts are being used for after they are sold?

    • prolifemama

      @susan carter – I believe I heard in the second video something said about using the cells to establish new stem cell lines…

  • Samantha Brown

    What are they doing with the parts they sale or are planning to sale? I believe that there are situations where abortion is the best option for all involved but I do not think it is an acceptable option for being irresponsible.

    • prolifemama

      @Samantha Brown – Abortion is NEVER “best” for the babies. And their mothers suffer too, regardless of testimonies to the contrary. It is counter-intuitive to think that no women who choose abortion experience searing regret afterward, and for the rest of their lives.

  • Jennifer Hartman

    These women made a decision to abort, and they are using the dead tissue to study. Either way, they would have been aborted.

    • prolifemama

      @Jennifer Hartman: Study? At least you used the word “dead.”

      These children’s bodies are being sold for profit.
      Period.

      PP profits twice from their demise.

      And did their mothers truly want to abort them, or were their other, life-affirming options just not explained fully by PP’s “counselors”?

      PP sells abortions. Less than 8% of their centers offer prenatal care. There’s no money in it.

  • New_World_Order

    This is 100 times sicker than Jeffrey Dalhmar. The serial killers scream with delight while completing their scavenger hunt and discover “it” is a boy.

    Mass murderous are hunted down, arrested, jailed, put on trail, usually convicted and off to prison. Why isn’t the P.P. staff accommodated the same opportunity?

    Under Obama’s watch, we have digressed to animalistic behavior portrayed as a pride of lions picking over the carcass of the freshest kill. Sickning. Obama has taken the “home of the brave” and turned it into killing fields. A Christian would not allow the brutal, savage, barbarous attack on defenseless babies, do you think a Muslim would? As Obama wanted to say, “Allah, bless planned parenthood.

  • prolifemama

    Dear God.

    “…and another boy!”

    I remember hearing that same excitement in the voice of our OB/Gyn at the births of our three sons before our daughter was born, and then another son after her.

    Why is this tech so elated at being able to identify the gender of the dead little one in front of her? How can there be delight in her voice as she picks through the remains of a quickly cooling baby corpse? There is a serious disconnect here…

    What horrifying dreams must she wander through in the night?

    Our cries over the dead are filled with pity, sorrow, longing… mourning. These babies are Home. But I fear for these… workers, and their sanity.

    The harsh wailing of our sisters and brothers, driven insane by the realization of their wrongdoing, will chill our souls, freeze our blood,

    It is the stuff of nightmares….!!

    • Helene

      I think she was just being ironic. It is an unfortunate reality of the life of a medical doctor that irony is a protection against doing what is difficult, but necessary. I do wish people would take these sorts of comments in context.

      • prolifemama

        @Helene – Abortion is NEVER necessary.

        And just what context do you suggest is presented here? Excitement of an abortionist over finding intact fetal male genitalia, because of their monetary value to PP and its “research” affiliates?

  • Henry Kelly

    No state, territory or the federal government is “anti-abortion.” Supreme Court justice Harry Blackmun commented that while Texas (Roe v. Wade was a Texas case) claimed that “fetuses” were “persons” with rights, aborting mothers were exempted from punishment for having their “fetuses” killed. Further, abortionists who committed illegal abortions were subject to lesser penalty than a person who premeditatedly, intentionally and illegally killed a person who was already born. By making a distinction between the unborn “fetus” and the born “person,” Texas denied that the unborn is a “person” and therefore protected by the law.
    No state, territory or the federal government accords protection to “fetuses” as “persons” protected by the law on the same basis as born persons. No state prescribes punishment for mothers seeking to have or who have had their “fetuses” killed. No state prescribes punishment for abortionists and their accomplices who illegally kill unborn “fetuses” equal to those who illegally kill born former “fetuses.”
    Until a state ceases to make a distinction between human beings who have not yet been born and those who have been born, treating all homicides on the same basis, the rights of mothers and their hired “fetus” killers to “privacy” will be treated as superior to any rights of unborn “fetuses.”

    • prolifemama

      @Henry Kelly – you’re stating the original U.S. legal policy regarding slaves.

      Unless all human beings’ basic rights are protected, no one’s are guaranteed.
      We are all “unwanted” by another, at some time or other in our lives.

  • Marco

    This is beyond the realm of humanity!! This is the Devils work, and I am absolutley disgusted by it. Now we are harvesting babies for our own profit, God have mercy on our souls!

    • Life Giver!

      Its not the Devil, the Devil wants humans to have long suffering! Its the woman that is Devil like!

  • CHASBAKER

    There is only one question re: abortion.
    Is the baby a human?
    If so, it’s murder.
    If it’s not human, it isn’t.
    When we see pictures of a heart, a brain, kidneys and other body parts the question of human or not is settled.

    • Helene

      ALL mammals have a heart, a brain, kidney(s) and other body parts?!

    • Life Giver!

      The woman gets to say human or lie to her self !

  • Bienvenido Ampoon Paulino

    Planned Parenthood make a large sum of bucks thru the murdered babies where is your conscience pity for this innocent live that in the contrary deserve to live a normal life I believed even God will not forgive you!

    • Elwyn Gaussiran

      God will forgive IF they repent, but time is running out!

  • I got the solution: legally separate induced labor from all the other shit they’re doing as part of these procedures. Require any forced preemie be treated like any other patient as a ward of the state. I bet extremely early nonemergency induced deliveries drop down to almost the minimum necessary to accommodate rape and incest. If the legal and medical professions want to treat a fetus as a medical parasite and a woman’s medical privacy & treatment of her body as a fully protected right, fine. Induced labor voluntarily at any time… still perfectly legal. Everything else involved in this instead gets flipped around. Boom. Solved. Question is, how many of those fruitloop groups who promote abortion bombings would ever get behind something so rational? Probably none of them, which is why they never managed to get a federal partial birth abortion ban even though there’s widespread support. Pretty sad situation. My next question is: how did so many crazy people get involved with this issue in the first place? It’s like Castro opening up the prisons to destabilize the USA. Did some political party open up asylums, and was it to gain goons or destabilize the other party?

    • prolifemama

      @Reticuli – the vast majority of prolife groups do not support, condone, or carry out abortion center bombings.

      Induced labor of a pre-viable fetus is illegal if not done to save the mother’s life.

      Passion for human life issues – abortion, forced sterilization, sexual slavery – is not crazy. It is compassionate. It is truly human.

      • “Induced labor of a pre-viable fetus is illegal if not done to save the mother’s life.”

        Induced labor of a viable fetus and killing it during delivery is the definition of a late-term abortion which is banned in most states.

        Induced labor or the suctioning out of a pre-viable fetus is the definition of an earlier-term abortion, which is legal in all states due to the Supreme Court.

        Are you saying not killing a pre-viable fetus during induced delivery in nonemergency situations is illegal in the US under federal law? Can you cite where you are getting this?

        Pro-life groups have never gotten a federal viable fetus partial birth abortion ban successfully though both passage and judicial review in the US. Every time, it gets overturned because they don’t put a medical emergency exception in… because they’re crazy and they don’t think strait. However, I’m saying letting the medical state-of-the-art into law is an errant logic we’ve had.

        My point is that the induced delivery and the killing of the fetus needs to become separated in the legal framework, so that the medical state-of-the-art becomes a nonissue for such rulings and so there is effectively an automatic partial birth abortion ban. As medical technology advances, fatalities from induced labor of what is currently deemed non-viable will diminish. There is even currently a gray area at the margin between viability and not, which a certain percentage of preemies will actually survive if neonatal ICU steps are taken upon delivery.

  • dwight Murray

    I am a 71 year old man and I have never seen anything so repulsive in all of those many years. Aren’t they in a point of fact killing human life for profit? I really wish to expound more, but I am sick to my stomach . . . Sorry!

  • Mr. David

    These people at planned parenthood are evil to the core.

  • jwhitehawke

    Every woman who signs the abortion papers: agrees that the unborn child can be used for ‘medical research’……. This practice was never a big secret. So just WHO is the culpret?

    • prolifemama

      @jwhitehawke – The illegality is the profit PP is making off of these innocents’ remains.

  • Amber Ludwig

    It’s sad to see how desensitized these doctors and medical staff are to life and compassion for a once living body. Breaks my heart for them and the souls they speak about.

  • Terry Reynolds

    all the famlys wanting to adopt and children are being killed for convenience ,you will have to see what you threw away when you are answering to god

    • nothanks

      maybe those families should adopt children that are already in foster care instead of only wanting newborn babies.

      • prolifemama

        @nothanks – Many families do just that. Many adopt children with disabilities, children of a different race from their own.

        Generous, compassionate people exist, and are doing loving, generous deeds. Don’t deny it.

        • nothanks

          Some families do, but it doesn’t negate the fact that there are 400,000 kids in foster care.

          • prolifemama

            @nothanks – Foster care isn’t hell. It’s better that they are alive and living with people who care about them.

          • nothanks

            If you have been in a foster care situation and were lucky enough to have a good experience then I applaud you. But, many of us did not have it so great. Also, are you saying that aborted fetuses go to hell? I thought they were innocent creatures, so wouldn’t your god welcome them into heaven?

  • Becca Rhodes

    I love it we have children that are being murdered overseas but no one says a damn thing about that genocide that is commited . And it is the grand ole party that is complicant in the murders of children overseas . Why is this so shocking and we aren’t as shocked when children over seas are systematically murdered and no one says a damn thing about that . Oh by they way a 18 month old was murdered in PALESTINE when settlers firebombed the families house .

    • Jasmine

      desperate to change the subject, i see!

  • Isabela Guimaraes

    There are
    approximately 1,21 million abortions in America each year. This means that 1.21
    million lives will not see daylight, Abortion diminish and destroys human life.
    I will rebuke the top reasons society claim why abortion should happened.
    As an ex prochoice believer I recognize how prochoice people believe and why
    they believe like that. Our society is blind to the reality of abortion and I
    hope that Ill be the light to open your eyes to this tragedy that happened in
    our own backyard.

    Many feminist
    women when it com to abortion claim: My body my choice, as if illegalizing
    abortion means that the government is imposing restrictions into a women’s body.
    They claim that women have the freedom to do whatever she wants with her body
    and no one should deny them that freedom.

    As a feminist I believe that women do have the right to do whatever she desires with her body, but no one have the authority to say who is worthy to live and who isn’t. The real question that we should be asking here is whore bodies are we really not giving a choice? The mother or the baby?
    According to any biology book a body part such as the arm or the leg is defined by the common genetic code it shares with the rest of its body. Every cell of the mother’s
    tonsils, appendix, heart and legs shares the same genetic code; the unborn also
    has a genetic code, but is distinctly different from the mothers. Often the
    blood type is also different and half the time even the gender is different.
    One body is inside another, but each has its own unique genetic code, then
    there is not one person, but two separate people. One body does not belong to
    another merely because of proximity, that being said we can state that the
    saying “my body my choice” is scientifically and biologically incorrect. Now
    that you know that id s clear scientific fact that the mother is one
    distinctive and self contained person and the child is another, lets see in
    which circumstances society claims is ok to kill a baby in the whom such as
    Lack of financial support, age and marital status.

    A women may have a concern that she does not have the financial condition to raise a child Following this path women are not ready to have a child because of their age.
    There are about 820,000 teens that become pregnant each year. That means that
    34 percent of teenagers have at least one pregnancy before they turn 20, and 80
    percent of those teenagers that become pregnant are unmarried. Although these
    are though situations the answer is still NOT abortion. According to the Alan
    Guttmacher Institute of research arm of Planned Parenthood, estimates that 88
    percent (1.06 Million) of abortions are performed during the first trimester.
    The other 12 percent (150,000) are performed during the second and third
    trimester. The average cost of a first trimester abortion is $430 and a 2nd
    trimester abortion costs up to $3000 (with the price increasing the further
    along the pregnancy goes) If we take the average for 1st trimester
    abortions and use the average for 2nd and 3rd trimester
    abortion here’s what we get 438 Million is spend each year on first trimester
    abortions and 393 million is spend on late term abortions. This means that the
    abortion industry brings in approximately $831 million through abortion service
    alone. And if we add in the $337 million (or more) that Planned Parenthood
    receives annually in government grants and contracts for, the annual dollar
    amount moves past one billion. The money that the government grants to abortion
    clinics come from national taxes that every American pay. Including the ones
    that do not agree with abortion, in other words if one does not agree with abortion
    it does not matter they are obligated by the state to pay money in which will
    be granted to abortion since is considered a health issue.

    Instead of more then one billion dollars being used to kill innocent life’s we could be using this money to provide helps to the mothers that do not have a good financial
    situation to raise a child. We need longer and paid maternal leaves. Also the
    government should provide in high schools sex education because most people at
    that point are or are about to become sexually active. Most people get unwanted
    pregnancies because they are ignorant or unaware of the different types of
    contraception such as condoms, the pill and many others.

    According to a Washington
    University study of nearly 10,000 women, found that among those who were
    offered free contraception along with good counseling about safe methods of
    having sex, had an 80% reduction in teen births and 75% in Abortions. There are
    many ways to prevent pregnancies and women should know that the choice comes BEFORE not AFTER conception. If a women
    chose to have sex with the knowledge that she was not financial stable, with
    inappropriate age and no marital status she should have the responsibility to
    make the choice of having save protected sex. It is the government job to
    provide knowledge and education to people about safe sex but it is the person
    responsibility to make that choice. If we don’t provide sex education the young
    generation they are never going to be able to make wise decisions.

    All these cases
    have something in common: In all of them there was a mutual consent of a man
    and a women to have sex, but differently then any other cases there is one when
    women get pregnant but did not make the choice to have sex: The woman was raped.
    Rape is a horrible and traumatic event in the life of any women. It is the
    forcible act of sexual intercourse against the will of a woman. If she becomes
    pregnant she would not only bear the memory of the rape but also carry the
    child of a rapist. So the famous question rises: Should a women keep a baby
    when she didn’t even agree to have sex in the first place? This is a very
    difficult question to answer. After all, it is a highly emotional issue, but
    still, Ill ask you this: Must the child be required to pay for the crime of the
    father? Is it right to take the life of someone who has done nothing wrong?
    Does the circumstances of a child conception change the fact that he or she is
    a human living being? In other words: If YOUR mother was raped, would YOU be
    considered any less human then the person sitting next to you? Should you be
    denied of all rights including the right to live because your conception was
    not as honorable as the person next to you? Of if the person next to you is a
    child conceived at rape, would it be ok for me to grab a gun and kill that
    person right now? After all since his or hers conception happened at rape they
    are not human at all right?

    Despite the circumstances regarding that person’s conception he or she are a human being witha right to live that cannot be taken away. You may think, it is easy for you to
    say.. Actually I know what it feels like to have your body invaded and unprotected, I also had a men’s body forcing against mine and against my will.
    Besides the pain, I felt violated scared and disgusted, shaming myself although
    I did nothing wrong. No I did not get pregnant, although I was under the
    influence of alcohol I was able to grab all the strength I had in my body, push
    the abuser away and run for my life. To any women that has ever suffered rape
    or had their bodies violated in any kind of way: my deep condolences I do
    understand what you are feeling and I still stand against abortion. It is not
    the Answer

    After each turbulence in our life’s we have the choice to become bitter or better. Please understand that despite the circumstances that a child is conceived, ether in a
    marriage with loving and stable parents, or of two passionate but reckless
    teenagers, a drunk man and women after a one night stand or with a pain of a
    rape, all of those life’s are worth the same, they are all babies and each and
    everyone one of them needs love, attention and care, independently of how was
    their conception. Do not let the crime of an abuser affect your decision of
    killing a innocent life.

    Just as how conception happened
    does not change that persons humanity also the formation of an individual does
    not change the fact of their humanity and their right to live. Despite any
    deformity or disabilities that person has the same value as a perfectly healthy
    person, and it is not up to anybody to decide if their life’s are not worth
    leaving because of certain disabilities.

    If all that said I want to remind you of some history. Dred Scott declared that a human person with black skin were not actually human but only 3/5 human. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis decided that people who came from Jewish heritage were not actually human but some kind of pest that need it to be exterminated, and lets take note that
    in all of those situations were legal by law! Roe V. Wade pronounced that a human person who were in the first months of their human development were not human unless their mother decided that they were.

    How is that we still have the
    audacity to strip away personhood rights from another group of people and this
    time simply because of age? We know that skin color does not determine the
    personhood of a human being; they are human no matter what shade of skin they
    have We know that nationality or religion does not determine the personhood human being; they are human no matter were they come from or believe. We should also know that age does not determine the personhood of a human being; they are human from the moment they start living until the day they die.

    Today I talked to you about
    abortions and why they are not the right decision when it comes to unwanted
    pregnancies. Abortion is one of the main disparities that this country ever
    lived and I hope you make a stand against abortion with me.

    Have a wonderful life in which you have
    the right to live

    Thank You

    Isabela Guimaraes

  • Michelle

    I am sick!!!!! And angry!!!!

  • Alvin Chipmunk

    The blood is on our hands if we support this or choose to ignore and pretend it doesn’t exist.

  • Taylor Byler

    this cluster of semi-developed cells would be going to actual people who need them rather than just being put into medical waste bags and being thrown in a landfill

    • you’re a cluster of cells. i’m a cluster of cells. and as for “developed,” human beings aren’t fully developed at birth. they develop more for years afterward. so by your logic, it’s okay to kill already born humans!

    • prolifemama

      @Taylor Byler – These are human beings at very early stages in their lives, not undifferentiated “semi-developed” cells. Check out the UK website called Endowment for Human Development (EHD). See realtime video of an unborn human being at 6 weeks post-fertilization. Awesome.

      Check the fetal development timeline. Awesome again.

      We human beings are recognizably human very early on in our prenatal development. But the telling point is our DNA, which doesn’t depend on us “looking” human to prove that we are in fact, as early as the one-cell stage, human beings.

  • Luke Evans

    These people need to be taught a serious lesson

  • Jackie

    WTH!!!!!!!!!!!! Shut this dam place down! All should rot in prison~!!!!!

  • Life Giver!

    I know some people that had abortions, these people all have said at one time or another, ” my child would have been this old by now!”, I just think to myself,” YES” ” a child!”, we all know if we do the act of have sex, there is a chance you can get a “pregnancy!”, I just dont want to know about who has had one! And these so called modern woman, why are you getting an unwanted pregnancy? So many kinds of birth control out there, use them!

  • dulce_bellum_inexpertis

    It’s not a foetus – it’s a human baby! If it was less than a human, why are they sifting through it to obtain body parts for transplants? Talk about the misuse of words to justify murder…

  • Judy

    they will pay , everyone of them that thinks it’s ok to destroy a human life that God created..I fear for them the troubles they will have…

  • VHEMT

    Seriously people, mind your own business… Worry about your own world and leave everyone else’s alone.

    Yes, we all are human…
    Yes, we all have choices…

    To say “human” life is more valuable then a creatures’ life is pretty self-righteous. Life is life, does it matter if it is “human” or not..?

    We all have situations in our lives that shape or define us. Your stories of triumph and sorrows have been told and heard hundreds of times through out the human history… From carved records on stone tablets, to the incomplete writings of the bible…

    Tell your story and move on… If it is truly a unique story, by all means, get it published so the world can benefit from it.

    Yes, I know what VHEMT means, no I do not support it, or believe in it. It is a good concept…

    Say what you will, unless you have walked down the same paths I have walked, then your comments hold no grain in my salt.

    • prolifemama

      @VHEMT – I’m curious… you state that you do not support nor believe in VHEMT, but that it is a “good concept…”

      Can you explain, please?

      • VHEMT

        Well… The idea of voluntarily abstinence from reproduction of one’s bloodline is not new. Take the nephews of Adolf Hitler as an example, they felt it was best to end the bloodline associated with Adolf Hitler.

        Please don’t get me wrong prolifemama, I am not for human extinction, even though it is inevitable… I don’t support abortion, I find it quite sad actually, but if someone else chooses abortion, then by all means, that is “their” body, “they” are carrying the fetus, not me.

        My ex-wife and I saw this subject very differently, hence “ex”… Her idea of abortion was like many here, pro-choice. I still remember when the subject of starting a family came up. Of course we discussed all outcomes. What if he/she was born with (insert anything). One of her responses was, “If I know the child I am carrying is going to have Down syndrome or something else, I would choose to abort”… She saw it as a horrible way of life for the child and the life long burden of caring for him/her. Both valid points I have to admit…

        My argument back was not abort, give birth to the baby and leave the two of us so you can have that burden free life.

        She really is a kind hearted person deep down, I have no ill feelings towards her.

  • KA

    In talking about the body parts, the nurse has to examine all of them to insure all of the parts are there. None can be left inside the womb to insure no infections set in. As the rest of the anti abortion, edited videos are proving, they have taken what is a normal procedure, edited it to make it appear gleeful,and sick and presented the warped view of what was really happening.

    • there is nothing deceptive about the way these videos were edited. the full videos have been released and they change nothing. the only reason these vids were edited is because most people don’t have time to watch 2 hours of video. the editing does not distort what’s happening. the reason the videos are so disturbing is that abortion in general is disturbing. abortion supporters have tried so hard to sugarcoat what abortion is: the killing of a human.

      and yes, body parts were being discussed. do you see anything wrong with that? because i do. did the person whose body parts are shown in the video consent to having their parts used in that way? don’t say “the woman consented.” the body parts you see in the video aren’t the woman’s parts. they’re someone else’s parts. think about it.

      • KA

        First off, yes they were selectively edited. If someone overheard bits and pieces of some of you conversations, you would try to clarify that they heard something out of context.

        Secondly, yes body parts were discussed. IT IS NOT illrgal to donate body parts.

        Thirdly, if this tape edits out that pethaps body parts are being counted to insure a complete abortion was done, then that is required procedure. If for DONATING, then that body part has to be selected.

        Fourth, the woman made a choice that was best for her. Just like you do if you choose to HAVE a child..,..out of wedlock…by your drug addicted father who raped you, while you were high on your fifth week of heroin. Imagine that
        Scenerio.

        I understand what abortion means…if it was born it would be a child. 95 % of all abortions at at 12 weeks or less….
        Again I ask…how many unwanted babies have you adopted? How many unwanted abused 5 year olds have you fostered? How much have you donated to a group that rescues abused babies, children 10 year olds? How much do you support birth control?

        Thought so.

        And you all sugarcoat that all babies are wanted and that you all support single parenting…..yeah, by talking it to death.

        Promoting BC is the best way to stop abortions. It is already working in the USA.

        • prolifemama

          Abortion kills children, not some unknown entity that would “become” a child after birth.

          Most moms would choose to keep their children if they were given life-affirming options that showed them abortion isn’t their only choice. The prolife community has been doing this since the early 60s. This help is tailored to each woman’s needs, and includes low-cost or free pre- and post-natal medical care for herself and her children, baby items (clothing, diapers, formula, etc.)., job opportunities and job-sharing, housing, continuing ed, and more. These services are provided by Birthright International, Heartbeat International, and local pregnancy help centers in every state.

          Supporting birth control only adds to the problem, as when it fails, women turn to abortion as a fail-safe, reasoning that it wasn’t their fault the contraceptives didn’t work. Check the abortion-after-contraceptives stats from a neutral site (not PP and their ilk).

          • KA

            You may fault PP for,bias but many preg centers tell lies that abortion causes sterility, you end ip w cancer etc. So havung had relatives who both worked at and volunteered at and after usng PP myself, I never saw or heard deception or lies.
            Sent from AOL Mobile Mail

          • prolifemama

            @KA – abortion CAN cause sterility/infertility, and abortions done of first pregnancies CAN result in breast cancer, as the immature cells in the breast are left in that state while estrogen floods the woman’s system, heightening her risk of those immature cells becoming cancerous.

            If the only “help centers” you’ve experienced are PP’s, which have a stake in convincing women to abort, not parent or adopt out, how do you know you’re getting the whole story?

            Parenting and adoption cut into PP’s profit margin. As a former PP worker, you know that their “counselors” are taught to play on women’s fears about raising a child alone, not being able to finish high school or
            college, being kicked out of their homes, etc.

            PP’s tactics are coercive, to make sure Mama walks out without her baby, and $2,500-$3,000 poorer.

    • August M

      A normal procedure if you are a butcher or a Nazi or if your name is Jeffry Dahmer.

    • prolifemama

      @KA – the videos are provided online in their entirety. Repeating scenes is not selective editing, it is emphasis.

  • Kathie Forney

    UNITED STATES ABORTION STATISTICS

    Number of abortions per year: 1.21 million (2005)
    Number of abortions per day: approximately 3,315

    Who’s having abortions (age)?

    50% of women obtaining abortions in the U.S. are younger than 25: women aged 20-24 obtain 33% of all abortions; teenagers obtain 17%; and girls under 15 account for 1.2%.

    Who’s having abortions (race)?

    While white women obtain 60% of all abortions, their abortion rate is well below that of minority women. Black women are more than 3 times as likely as white women to have an abortion, and Hispanic women are roughly 2 times as likely.

    Who’s having abortions (marital status)?

    66% of all abortions are performed on never-married women; married women account for 18% of all abortions; and divorced women obtain 9.4%.

    Who’s having abortions (religion)?

    Women identifying themselves as Protestants obtain 43% of all abortions in the U.S.; Catholic women account for 27%; Jewish women account for 1.3%; and women with no religious affiliation obtain 24% of all abortions. 18% of all abortions are performed on women who identify themselves as born-again or Evangelical.

    Who’s having abortions (income)?

    Women with family incomes less than $15,000 obtain 29% of all abortions; women with family incomes between $15,000 and $29,999 obtain 20%; women with family incomes between $30,000 and $59,999 obtain 38%; and women with family incomes over $60,000 obtain 14%.

    Why women have abortions

    1% of all abortions occur because of rape or incest; 6% of abortions occur because of potential health problems with either the mother or the child; and 93% of all abortions occur for social reasons (that is, the child is unwanted or inconvenient).

  • Trinnity

    Leftard cultural Marxists, evil to the core. They worry about a stupid lion, the snail-darter, fake climate change junk science, blah blah blah. They called our Vietnam vets baby killers. Callous soulless hypocritical buttheads. We’re going to put these commie a-holes where they belong in the next election and start taking the money away.

  • VHEMT

    You are all idiots… The anti-abortion and the pro-choice folks. You people keep fueling each other’s fire.

    Look boys and girls, you are no better then the person/party you are attacking. All everyone is doing is protecting their own opinions and choices. Who the hell are you to judge someone for their own choices in their on lives. I don’t believe in abortion, but that is my choice and my belief and I would never use it to make myself feel superior or righteous over another person.

    It is so easy for everyone here to chime in with their useless 2 cents. Yes, what you preach might sound like pearls to you, but the person you are attacking, it just makes you sound like a degenerative waste of a voice.

    Like I mentioned before, I am against abortion, but all you anti-abortion folks out there with your comments really makes the PP video seem tame… Seriously..? You are pro-life? “Burn in hell”, “rot in prison”, and “taught a serious lesson”… Really? Maybe a lesson taught by you? I do not see any pro-choice folks go to the extreme as you pro-lifers…

    • prolifemama

      @VHEMT – True – the prolife stance should be one of compassion, not judgment. In our defense, it is difficult to remain calm and polite when innocent human beings’ lives are at stake.

      But does it occur to you that pro-abort trolls might be posting these nasty comments and making them look as though they’re from prolifers?

      Most prolifers do not scream epithets at the opposition; instead, we try to educate and draw out the empathetic person inside of everyone. We also provide mothers in unintended pregnancies, real life-affirming solutions so that they AND their children can not only survive, but thrive.

      PP does not profit from helping mothers give birth, only from killing their children.

      • VHEMT

        Valid point… *nods*

        • prolifemama

          @VHEMT – Thank you for your gracious reply. :)

    • Mary Elizabeth Tompkins Carr

      I also agree with this.. everyone has a right to make their own choices.. we are no better or worse that anyone else.. i also am against abortion.. but that is my choice and my belief.. everyone on here is judging everyone else.. there is only 1 person who should be judging anyone and that is god.

      This is america.. the land of the free.. we all make decisions everyday that someone else would not agree with but it’s truely not for us to judge. I hope and pray that the people throwing stones back and forth about this will take a step back and remember and understand that judjubg will bring nothing good of this.

      • prolifemama

        @Mary Elizabeth Tompkins Carr – The right to choose does not place our choice into a vacuum, with neutral consequences. A choice can be evaluated – another word for “judged” (it doesn’t always mean ‘condemned’) – as being good or bad. And abortion is always bad for the baby and her/his mother.

        And it is absolutely for us to judge – to evaluate – the choices we make and those of others, especially if they fatally infringe upon another’s rights. And abortion ignore the rights of the most helpless and innocent human beings, destroying their lives in the process.

        Condemning one another will not – you’re right – bring anything good out of the abortion experience. But correcting one another in love in order to save babies’ lives, and mothers the heartbreak of regret over abortion, is what we’re called to do every day, until this scourge is eradicated.

        And we will answer to God for neglecting and ignoring our unborn sisters and brothers, and averting our eyes to their mothers’ plights.

  • Sandy Oswalt

    Here is a point that most people who are pro murder do not want to understand, killing a child ends all potential. When you commit murder it is like changing the worlds destiny. You could be killing a future serial killer but you may also be killing some one who could possible be destined to cure cancer or reverse global warming. The argument that it is a woman’s choice because it is her body. I would argue that no, in fact it is another human body attached to her body, feeding off her like a parasite. You can go in and kill it or you can let nature take it’s course. Saying you are just removing some tissue makes it sound clinical. Just my opinion.

    • VHEMT

      *thumbs up*

    • prolifemama

      @Sandy Oswalt – You make some very good points. Every human being has enormous potential to do good or bad.

      The human mother/child relationship is symbiotic, rather than parasitical, as a good biology book will state, since human pregnancy benefits both child and mother. A good book to read about this subject is The Mommy Brain, by Katherine Ellison.

  • I honestly don’t see why everyone is freaking out about this… I mean really? The fetus is dead. And either it’s parts can go to research or rot in a trashcan. Why is selling the parts for science such a bad thing? It furthers human research and can actually help wanted pregnancies in the future.

    • prolifemama

      @Catharsis – Innocent human beings are being killed, through lies and deception, for profit. The evil doesn’t stop after their deaths, it continues, and entangles more and more human beings caught up in their own greed. And so more innocent human beings are slaughtered, measured, and sold. And so it goes, an endless river of baby body parts floating in their own blood.

      And their mothers are hearing and seeing these stories too, and their minds wander into the darkness of regret, for what they allowed to be done to their own children, and what they could have done instead.

      God, be merciful.

      • Do you not realize how many lives PP saves; how many people they HELP? How many pregnancies they prevent? Not terminate, PREVENT. Also, many mothers are content with their decision to abort, even now. And you didn’t answer my question, would you rather have the parts rot in a trashcan? Would you honestly rather have the parts be studied in a lab or be eaten by some scavenger?

        • prolifemama

          @Catharsis – PP doesn’t save any lives, nor do they help anyone. An organization known as the largest abortion committer (PP prefers “provider”) is in business to kill unborn children, period. Prenatal care to moms who choose life for their babies, is 0.28% of the services PP provides. Adoption referrals are 0.0076%.

          There’s no profit in that kind of help. Abortions are much more lucrative. PP also “provides” low-dose contraceptives that have a high failure rate, thus funneling high-volume business to their facilities. In a facility planning conference document PP published in the 90s, PP states that their goal is 3-5 abortions per girl before they reach age 18.

          The “contentedness” you speak of is fleeting. The vast majority of women deeply regret their abortions, especially after they learn what alternatives are available.

          And I would rather these babies had been allowed to grow within their mothers’ wombs until their birthdays. Their precious, ravaged bodies belong buried respectfully in cemeteries.

          PP IS a scavenger, a murderer, and a liar.

          • PP has preformed screening for cancer to over 2 million people. Along with over 4 million screenings for STDs. Catching these things in the early stages are key to help stoping them and preventing their spread. I didn’t make these numbers up, these are recorded facts. So PP has saved many, many lives. In both a literal and metaphorical way. As you know, abortion is only a very small percentage of services that PP provides. If all they wanted to do was abort, that’s all they would provide. Also, PP provides a large range of contraceptives, such as the pill, implants, and condoms. All of these forms have a very high success rate, so you saying that PP only provides low does contraceptives with a high failure rate is a flat out LIE. And statistically speaking, more women are content with their abortions than regret them, and most women who get abortions have at least one kid and simply can’t provide for another. Lastly, you failed to answer my question yet again. (You didn’t say which you would rather happen and instead offered up a different answer) You know why? Because you would rather have their parts be studied in a facility than in a trashcan.

          • prolifemama

            @Catharsis – Read all of my reply. Then you’ll see that I did, in fact, answer your inane question. As if the options you mentioned are the only two.

          • My question gave you two options, you chose to ignore them. So you didn’t answer the question, you worked around it and gave a different answer.

          • prolifemama

            @Catharsis – When I can support neither option, it is up to me to present a third. I have done so. You cannot expect others to see the situation as narrowly as you do, especially when you supposedly espouse freedom of choice.

        • Philbert McNutt

          “how many lives PP saves”?

          Do tell, you putrid tool. Give us some actual statistics. Tell us how many – exactly – lives they supposedly save.

          Repeating lies doesn’t make them become true. Tell us when, and how many lives they have saved. I mean, there has to be someone keeping track of such a wonderful thing, right?

          Next, tell us how many purported lives the Planned Parenthoodlums have to save in order to make up for the millions of babies they have butchered.

          • Here are only a few links to people talking about how their lives were saved by PP. Hear it from the people themselves.

            Also a few statistics on how many lives were saved or helped: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2012/02/02/planned-parenthood-saves-lives/

            People telling their own stories:
            http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2012/02/03/planned-parenthood-saved-me-women-tell-their-stories/
            http://plannedparenthoodsavedme.tumblr.com/page/5
            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carolyn-smithers/mitt-romney-planned-parenthood_b_1366712.html
            http://www.safercampus.org/blog/2011/02/3819/

            And I don’t think that PP has to save a certain number of lives in order to ‘make up’ the number of abortions they’ve preformed.

          • Philbert McNutt

            Wow. More propaganda. Where are the statistics?

            patheos.com is just pathetic. Where are the stats? I see one poster claiming 770,000 breast cancer screenings.

            Not sure if you went to a public school, but even then you should be able see that the Planned Parenthoodlums are getting nearly $700.00 for each alleged screening – based on current government funding.

            Not bad for an alleged ‘non-profit’……except of course, the Planned Parenthoodlums don’t actually do mammograms – even though they claim – as did their lackeys like Our Dear and Glorious Leader.

            Even the Washington Post doled out a three (out of four)
            Pinocchio rating for the White House’s mammogram lies. “The problem here is that Planned Parenthood does not perform mammograms or even possess the necessary equipment to do so,” the paper’s resident fact-checker reported. “As such, the organization certainly does not ‘provide’ mammograms.

            To test the president Obama’s statement about the Planned Parenthoodlums in the real world, I called several Planned Parenthood offices in the New York City area today to ask about scheduling a mammogram. “We actually don’t offer that here,” one office told me. “You might want to call 311, they actually have lists of placesyou could go to.” When I asked, “You don’t provide them like the president said?,” I was told “No.”

            Yes, the Parenthoodlums love tossing the lie around, but, facts is facts, and lies are lies. The Planned Parenthoodlums have a long and glorious history of deceit, deception, and dishonesty.

  • regulus30

    this fraudulent potus DOES NOT FOLLOW CONSTITUTIONAL LAW ; SO “we the people won’t” either;; run the videos ; we will get you out of jail every time they try to silence you GO BREITBART.

  • Pamela Perry Smith

    If planned Parenthood isn’t doing anything wrong. Why do they all have consistent stories,why are their attorneys building layers and why does the worker there keep using the words get caught?

  • Barbara Gill

    This video is how they abort babies

    http://www.infowars.com/this-is-how-babies-are-aborted/

  • Randy Whitman

    This reminds me of science class, except in a bad way. We would dissect squids, cow eyeballs, and owl pellets.

  • Mrs Chattles

    Every women that I have known who has had an abortion has never forgotten it. If these body parts are not an individual human being then what are they?.

  • Tammy Cates

    These people are so numb they don’t have souls. Sick!

  • Jerry Lake

    This is horrible dont have the words!!!

  • Bruce Youngblood Sr.

    If women weren’t so promiscuous there wouldn’t be a need for abortions.

    • And what if the woman wasn’t planning on having sex in the first place? That’s an awfully sexist comment.

  • @yahoo.comAnn Wingender

    This is SICK and I have no idea why CONGRESS had to table this and think on it. They are crazy , this is MURDER and its high time they be held accountable !

  • mtman2

    10-yrs prison is mentioned for these blood-thirty’ ‘hen house weasels’ ~!

  • Mary Elizabeth Tompkins Carr

    I’ve just been reading some of these comments.. normally I don’t comment on much but this was bothering me…some of the comments were about God and abortions and people thinking it’s right or wrong… but truely it’s none of there business. It sounds to me like alot of judging is going on..we all have opinions and that’s fine.. but each of us is no better than any other.. we don’t have to like what other people do or think or feel but we don’t need to judge them.. we all have our ways of living our life. We all make our own choices everyday about what we will do or how we feel about something. I do not agree with abortion. But each person in this world has a right to make their own decisions. In life there are consequences for everything good or bad right or wrong.. and we as free adults will have to live with those consequences. Also baby selling I don’t think that is right either.. it is very upsetting.. there are people who are investigating that… we should not judge.. we don’t know everything.. the media tells us what they want us to know.. God is the 1 true judge not us. Let people live their lives.. make their own choices..let’s be peaceful and help one another not judge and try to control..

    • VHEMT

      It is hard not to comment huh..? I don’t comment to these sort of things, but just reading the comments of some… *shakes head*

    • Philbert McNutt

      “Let people live their lives.”

      Okay, I agree 100%. To do that, we will need to stop killing babies – so they can live THEIR lives. Right?

      • Mary Elizabeth Tompkins Carr

        We don’t know why these woman are making the choices that they are.. but it is their choice.. i don’t believe it’s right but who am I to judge.. all I can do is teach my children and hope that if they never feel like that would be something they need to do.. we need to focus on our own families and not judge others for the choices they make.. again I do not believe in abortion.. but I do not think we should be judging other people’s choices. Just teaching our beliefs to our children.

        • Philbert McNutt

          “Other people’s choices” “i don’t believe it’s right but who am I to judge”

          You are trapped in that thinking. Honestly, it makes no sense. If we, as society, aren’t allowed to decided what is right and wrong, then we can have no laws. All laws are based on judging what is right and wrong.

          Look, do you “judge” child molesters? I mean, that is “other people’s choices”, isn’t it? Do you “judge” someone who embezzles from their employer?

          We could apply “i don’t believe it’s right but who am I to judge” to any and all wrongdoing, and end crime tomorrow. If we stopped “judging” what is right and wrong, there would be no crime.

  • JJ

    I had an abortion almost 15 years ago and I was never informed about these procedures nor that my baby’s parts were sold! I want to sue PLANNED PARENTHOOD, I was 17 years old and I didn’t understand. They manipulate young mothers!

    I was told that my baby was (NOT) a baby yet, just cells and a heart beat. There is not a day that goes by that I am not broken hearted over my ignorance in choosing murder of my own child. I hate that I did this and I suffer from depression as an adult because of my mistake.

  • Flora price

    These people have no heart, they show no emotions of sadness at what they are doing to these little ones, its just like its a fact of life, and these babies that they are bisecting are nothing, it makes me sick to know just how sick those people are at planned parenthood, they can’t honestly think that what their doing is not inhumane, these people aren’t good their evil filled with Satan, and when they end up with Satan they will all get their just judgment, as God comes back to get his revenge. I pray Gods waft reins down soon and God will protect these little angels, from these Satan filled beasts.

    • VHEMT

      Your god seeks revenge..? Please enlighten me with why you feel your god has the right to judge and seek revenge. Do you pray to this god? Do you feel your religion and your god is above someone else’s religion and their god? Tell me, why does the bible exclude so many important women figures from it’s gospels? why does the bible exclude so many gospels that are just as important and historical as the gospels in the bible.

      There is a reason why your god was cruel and vengeful in the Old Testament vs the New Testament. Humans do not want to worship a deity that is vengeful, hence the creation of the morning star, lucifer.

      You choose to use your god as a weapon, I highly doubt your god would appreciate you thinking of him/her as a vengeful smiting god…

      I use the term “your god” because I feel you have a completely different take on what god should represent.

      • Philbert McNutt

        Wow. That was something, Vhemt. Not sure what.

        “Your god seeks revenge..?” What “god” are you yammering about?

        The Almighty owns his creation. He has no need for “revenge”.
        Judgement belongs to him. Why is that a problem? If you meet his requirements, it should be no problem. If the Planned Parenthoodlums are doing what is right in God’s eyes, they will be fine.

        That said, come the judgement, I wouldn’t want to be in their shoes. Have a feeling there are going to be a lot of little ones pointing fingers at certain people. Know what I mean, Vhemt?

        • VHEMT

          Would make more sense if the previous comment was not deleted by the poster… The word “revenge” was used by me because the original poster used the word to describe the action his/her god would do.

          Nothing wrong with worshipping a deity for your beliefs, but preaching to strangers that they are evil and “your god” will punish them seems a little childish would you think? Is it not like the comment “my dad can beat up your dad”?

          Serious question Philbert, not trying to be rude, but… Why is it that whenever someone with a belief in a religion, like yourself, assume that when the end comes, they will meet your creator? One can speculate that with such strong faith in your belief, all arguments are one-sided. You speak as if there is no other outcomes and possibilities because “your god” is absolute.

          Throughout human history there has been countless civilizations with structured governments, laws and religion; many of which predates the top three dominate religions of today. Almost every religion, still in practice or dead, has a great flood recorded…

          Not sure what you mean…

          I am against abortion, so no little fingers pointing at me, that is if heaven is a physical place where we have images of our former physical selves.

          With that said…

          (FYI to all, don’t read further if you get offended easily, because I don’t)

          If you truly believe in this heaven we will have fingers to point with, would there not be a lot of disembodied children too? Would they even have fingers to point?

          • Philbert McNutt

            Are you more than your physical part? If I chop off you fingers tomorrow, will you cease to exist? If I chop off your legs and your arms, will you stop being Vhemt? It would certainly change how you live, but you would still be Vhemt, would you not? Yet, without your body, you cannot exist in this world. The world is part of the physical creation – just as your body is

            If the Almighty, who is spirit, made us in his own image, and endows us with life, would we not also have a spirit that is eternal? If we exist after death with a spiritual God, what need have we for a physical body? Our bodies, obviously, are made to decay, to break, to wear out, and to die. Yet it is the spirit that gives life. Without it, we are just a lump of matter. Put all of the ingredients together, and you have nothing more than a pile of ingredients.

            I’m not being sarcastic here, Vhemt. What makes you Vhemt? Whay are you what you are? Is it your hands and eyes and legs – or are you more than that?

          • VHEMT

            Using a question to answer another a question huh..? You are avoiding questions that should be easy to answer if you truly believe what you believe. So from “my dad can beat up your dad” to always answering with another question is quite childish…

            Your questions still reflect a one sided view. I say questions because coining it a rebuttal would be saying there is room for two adults to talk about facts and compare rather then point fingers and lay claim to the right and the moral.

            How do you know what The Lord looks like? The bible told you so? Leap of faith? Have you met him/her?

            Look Philbert, your last post, really? You seem like an intelligent individual so let’s not dance around with all this nonsense… Science and religion walk a very fine line.

            “If” I believed in what you believe in, then yes, I am more then a body and such will ascend to this heaven and be judged. That is only assuming if I answered your question with the same belief system as you. If we both believed in the same thing, then there should be no reason for disagreements right?

          • Philbert McNutt

            Sorry, but you just answered with another question.

            “two adults to talk about facts and compare rather then point fingers and lay claim to the right and the moral”

            I pointed no fingers. Facts? About the Almighty God?

            The fact is, that there is no proof. It is also a fact – according to the word of the Almighty himself – that there are not supposed to be any “facts”.

            Does God, in fact, actually exist? If he has hidden all “facts” about himself, how would we know? If he has no physical “body” how can we prove he exists? If he has no physical presence that we can prove, and if, in fact, he exists in the spiritual realm only, can we prove that he exists there?

            What do you think?

          • VHEMT

            Read my last brief paragraph, that was your answer. Hard to answer if we have no common guard to start from… Your stance is always going to be The Almighty said, so therefore it is… You leave no room from the start because it is already decided by your faith.

            You wrote, “The fact is, that there is no proof. It is also a fact – according to the word of the Almighty himself – that there are not supposed to be any “facts”.” Your comment here, please elaborate… How can god say there is no facts, and you just wrote before that, “it is also a fact”…

            You are preaching… I don’t need to be preached to. Faith should not be so cryptic. If you actually took the time and read the first post, you would realize that using twisted versions of The Lord’s word was when I chimed in… This may be a surprise to you, but I am a faithful person. I always make time to attend church with my grandmother. You see Philbert, my grandmother does not speak English very well, but she is a very faithful woman to The Lord. She has converted almost my entire family to follow The Lord, including myself. My grandmother learns English through bible study, and I am there to help translate. So please, I do not need to be educated on this matter, I am quite versed, in two languages on this matter.

            I am coming from all angles here… That is the only way to be truly fair when discussing the original topic, which has eluded most. Like I said before, I am against abortion, and now you know I am faithful person, but all that matters not when the opposing has different views. Just because I believe there is a heaven, does not mean others believe.

            Let’s take religion out of the equation, and simplify it…

            If I told you you were too skinny, what base do I stand on? Are you too skinny because I am healthy? Or are you normal and all of us around you are too fat?

          • Philbert McNutt

            Vhemt – “Let’s take religion out of the equation, and simplify it.”

            Not sure what we are trying to simplify. You started off in your original post, by stating, “Your god seeks revenge..? Please enlighten me with why you feel your god has the right to judge and seek revenge.”

            Perhaps you can clarify what “god”, or whose “god” you are referring to.

            As a former atheist, I find myself unable to see much more than the boolean True/False in the debate about the existence of God.

            Either he does, or he does not exist.

          • VHEMT

            Like I said before, that was directed at the original post you keep failing to realize. You came in swinging your light saber during episode four… Let’s start at episode one, then you will see why I swung my light saber…

            We can come from the same religion, but have completely different views on how to represent our faith. The word “revenge” was used. Tell me, when has a higher power, in any religion, have resorted to “revenge”? I was intrigued… I study all religion, in practice or dead. So would it not intrigue you too if there was a belief system where the “God” seeks revenge on his/her own creation in practice today?

            ———-

            Now we are getting somewhere with your last paragraph…

            I too was once an Atheist, after I was raised as a Buddhist. The existence of God was first brought up by you sir…

            And I quote, because I know you love to quote others’

            “Does God, in fact, actually exist? If he has hidden all “facts” about himself, how would we know? If he has no physical “body” how can we prove he exists? If he has no physical presence that we can prove, and if, in fact, he exists in the spiritual realm only, can we prove that he exists there?

            What do you think?”

            Is this the new debate then? Existence of God? I am pretty confident that if you and I really got into a debate over that subject, this thread could run forever and the original post about PP would be lost in this never ending rebuttal… Sounds like a very interesting debate of intellects and wits… What do you say Oscar Wilde… You feelin witty?

            I am game if you are sir… :)

          • Philbert McNutt

            Sounds reasonable, perhaps.

            First though, let us hear your definition of “God”.

      • Flora price

        Oh Please, I expected some to read this wrong, My God doesn’t seek revenge, he will have revenge, he wants all to do right and live for him, I read Gods word, vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord, what part of that do you not understand? you do wrong, if I do wrong God will judge us all for it, you can turn my words around to suit your mind if you like, I do not use my God as a weapon, but he sure is my protector, my all in all, and God loves me just like he loves you and all his children, doesn’t mean we aren’t going to answer for our wrongs, he gave us a choice, to live for him and go to Heaven or to live for Satan and go to hell, so wrong is wrong, Sin is sin and to kill Gods creation is sin, I will not argue with you about God, I study, I serve him, I love him, I praise him, I worship him, he is my one true God and like it or not, King James Version 1611 I believe it, every word of it, and what you say doesn’t matter to me, however, I will pray to the one and only God that I serve for you, the one who created us, and can destroy us, I sure don’t feel the need to serve any other one, because I know the God I serve is real, and one day you will find out he’s real to.

  • Valerie Finnigan

    Given my background in health care, I’m not easily sickened by things gruesome or gory, but this and the fact that they’re more concerned about how to lie to the public than about medical ethics has me shaking.

  • brucejc04

    Am I missing something? All of the discussions around the Planned Parenthood issue are, to me, ignoring the main point.

    The main issue to me is not that Planned Parenthood is providing abortions using tax
    payer funds, which is bad enough, but that the real problem stems from women who
    become pregnant and don’t want a baby. It is understandable that some women do
    not want to have a baby, but totally unfathomable to me that they became
    pregnant in the first place.

    Yes, sexual activity is fun and something most people want to engage in. But most do not become pregnant if they do not want to. What is the underlying problem that
    causes some women to become pregnant when they do not want to? It is, simply,
    gross personal irresponsibility and the main issue in this controversy.

    With inexpensive condoms easily available, birth control pills, probably the most
    convenient method, also fairly inexpensive and easily obtained, plus many other
    methods such as intrauterine devices, and even the old, not so reliable, “rhythm
    method”, why are so many women becoming pregnant when they do not want to have a baby?

    Again, it is simple gross personal irresponsibility on the part of the woman and that issue should be the main focus in this discussion.

    I have heard that some women describe using birth control is “inconvenient”. How inconvenient is the surgery to remove a living fetus from the womb? What about the
    possibility of dying from complications of the abortion procedure? Isn’t that
    more “inconvenient” than the rational action taken to prevent a pregnancy in the
    first place?

    This gross personal irresponsibility needs to be addressed and brought to the forefront of this discussion.

    If all women who want to engage in sexual activity took the simple precautions available there would be no need for any abortions.

    Since unwanted pregnancies are easily avoided why are there so many abortions? Why are the American taxpayers being forced to pay for these totally unnecessary
    abortions? Perhaps it is time to consider penalties for those women who become
    pregnant with an unwanted child due to their gross personal irresponsibility. If
    an unwanted pregnancy occurs should not a fetal transplant to a woman who wants
    a baby, and perhaps cannot conceive, be a far better solution to the problem?
    Yes, it is a viable procedure.

    In conclusion, face the facts and deal with the real problem. GROSS PERSONAL
    IRRESPONSIBILITY.

  • Janet Shaw

    I am horrified and apalled. There is something horribly evil here. Not one more dime. Taxpayers should not be forced to pay for the murder of the unborn. I will gladly pay for birth control but not this. Not this. Every life is precious. I am completely sickened.

  • Jean Ormsby Bohnhoff

    This is so hideous. Is there nothing people won’t do for money? I just want to know if the FBI is investigating who bought these infant body parts and if PP paid income taxes on the money they made selling their ” Products”. All of this is illegal. When will these people be indited? It makes me SICK that any money has been given to PP. How many other abortion clinics are selling parts? What a mess.