Behold the patriarchy!

Pro-aborts love women so much, they pretend not to see them (when they’re pro-life)

Behold the patriarchy!
Behold the patriarchy!

Jeannie Deangelis’ January 12 Live Action post inspired some of our fiercest comment battles in recent memory, including the attention of one Bob Seidensticker, a published author, speaker, and the blogger behind Cross Examined on the Patheos Atheist Channel. So enchanting was our distinguished guest’s commentary that it inspired me to check out his most recent musings on abortion, and what I found did not disappoint.

Why is it Always Men Advancing the Pro-Life Position?” he asks:

Look at the pro-life lineup of speakers and authors, and you’ll see far more men than women. Doesn’t it seem unfair that the gender that isn’t personally inconvenienced by pregnancy is the one pushing the restrictions?

It truly is remarkable to see how much pro-choice thought consists of pure fabrication. Their doctrine has always placed great importance in the lie that the pro-life movement is a male-dominated tool of the patriarchy, but rarely do they put it in such a blunt, easily-disprovable form.

It’s certainly not true here—Live Action’s President is, of course, the one and only Lila Rose, and our lineup of bloggers certainly doesn’t fit Seidensticker’s narrative—just between January 1st and this writing, we’ve ran pieces by thirteen different women, and only four men.

And we’re hardly the exception; in fact, it’s hard to look at the other major pro-life organizations and not conclude that women rule this movement. American Life League’s President is Judie Brown. The National Right to Life Committee is led by President Carol Tobias, and over half of its leadership is female. Americans United for Life is led by President and CEO Charmaine Yoest, and the majority of its Legal & Policy Team are women. Students for Life’s President is Kristan Hawkins, its VP is Tina Whittington, and most of its staff is female. Two-thirds of the Reproductive Research Audit team is female. Half of Pro-Life Action League’s staff is female. So is half of the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians & Gynecologists’ board.

Oh, and let’s not forget the organizations specifically of, by, and for pro-life women: Susan B. Anthony List, Feminists for Life, Silent No More Awareness, Concerned Women for America, and the Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute.

Indeed, pro-life commentators and activists such as Jill Stanek, Abby Johnson, Gianna Jessen, Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Rebecca Kiessling, Helen Alvaré, Kim Daniels, Star Parker, Phyllis Schlafly, SE Cupp, and Dana Loesch are among the last women on Earth to let a man tell them what to do.

But what about the general public? Glad you asked. If you actually look at the many polls asking this question, it turns out that both sides win some and lose some, but there is no pattern of women consistently siding with legal abortion; in fact, on several questions the majority of women are pro-life by a wider margin than men.

The only area where men clearly outnumber women is elected office. Sabrina Schaeffer of the Independent Women’s Forum suggests this may be due to females’ higher aversion to the cesspool of 21st-century campaigning, leaving the field clear for Old Guard, establishment types who tend to be male. And the GOP establishment tends not to be all that wild about those of us who demand more than lip service from them. (By contrast, women heavily influence the Tea Party, as acknowledged by Politico.

Whatever the reason, it sure isn’t because pro-lifers aren’t doing their part to send women to Washington or their state capitals. After all, had the pro-life vote been the majority in 2008, we’d likely have the country’s first female Vice President and presumptive 2016 presidential nominee right now.

Lastly, consider abortionism’s sainted gatekeepers of the “right to choose,” the Supreme Court. If you recall the SCOTUS vacancies of the Bush years, many pro-lifers were deeply disappointed in John Roberts’ nomination (and now get to say “told ya so”), in large part because we had high hopes the next justices would be Judges Janice Rogers Brown and Priscilla Owen. So if those sexist right-wingers had gotten their way, the Supreme Court would actually be the closest it’s ever been to a female majority!

Of course, none of this is a shock to those of us who recall that the founding heroines of true feminism opposed abortion.

If Bob Seidensticker is sincere in claiming he simply wants “to see participants in the conversation in proportion to how it impacts their lives directly,” then this post should more than satisfy him. If not, the burden is on him to explain why he adamantly pretends legions of pro-life women simply don’t exist.

1/22/14 Update: Click here for Part 2.

1/25/14 Update: Secular Pro-Life Perspectives also has a terrific post on the subject which digs into the Gallup data in more detail. Check it out!

  • john lind

    Even if Bob’s premise was correct (which it clearly is not), he certainly seems to conclude that it’s OK for a man (who can’t get pregnant) to push for pro-abortion policies. He’s not real consistent there!

  • Basset_Hound

    Oh yeah. Bottomfeeder Bob. He came after me first on that thread.

    We should mention that back in the 60’s one of the strongest proponents for overturning abortion laws was Hugh Hefner. One only had to glance at his centerfolds to see what HE thought of the dignity and status of women.

    • JDC

      “Not to mention that several prominent pro-life organizations are headed up by women, such as National Right to Life and American Life League.”

      Uh, those actually are mentioned in the article.
      Edit: It seems you have recently edited your comment. Point withdrawn.

      • Basset_Hound

        I know. Sorry about that, but we were in a hurry to go on an emergency shopping trip for a piece of electronic equipment that died last night. I SHOULD have been more careful. Now I’ll droop my ears and go back to my corner just like Greta always did. And yes, I cleaned up the mess.

      • Basset_Hound

        Thanks. Happy you’re not mad at me.

        • JDC

          Oh, I could never be mad at you. :)

          • Mary Lee

            I could!

            I’m just kidding. I have taken a lot of cold medicine and I feel very loosey-goosey right now.

          • Basset_Hound

            Hope you feel better.

          • Mary Lee

            Better than yesterday, still congested. You know I love you, right? :D

          • MamaBear

            Basset, Mary, and friends, in three more days I will be out for a while. Don’t worry. it will be a good thing (I hope)! They will be putting me back together. But I would appreciate everyone’s thoughts and prayers.

          • Mary Lee

            Absolutely. We will be thinking of you.

          • Basset_Hound

            You’ll be in my prayers….Mama…hope your recovery is quick.

          • DianaG2

            It will be VERY quick.

          • DianaG2

            You got it, Mama!!

            Bless your heart.

          • Basset_Hound

            As I said to Jasimine.

            DER FEEWING IS MUTUAL….

            PS – I can sympathize. Mountain ceder is making my hay fever go berserk.

    • MarcusFenix

      He didn’t engage me after I posted a rebuttal to him. I was really hoping to get a laugh or two in reading his responses, but alas it was not so. Wonder why he didn’t. Clearly, he was eager to engage everyone else.

      • JDC

        Well you came in kind of late. I think he just decided after a certain point that he wasn’t going to bother anymore.

        • MarcusFenix

          That is true. But for all of his mewling about wanting people to take him seriously, when he got a serious reply, the least he could do was respond.

          OTOH, I can’t blame him. Having your arguments shredded can be a huge deflation of the ego. :)

          • Basset_Hound

            Yeah, just ask Sweetie Sharon.

          • MarcusFenix

            Even she dropped off though and stopped trying. Being made to eat the same crap sandwich she was trying to give everyone else likely left a bad taste in her mouth.

          • Basset_Hound

            300+ comments and still thrashing. Quite an accomplishment for someone who supposedly is “busy with a family”, right?

          • MarcusFenix

            I would replace “floundering” with “thrashing”…but about the same idea, yeah. ;)

          • Basset_Hound

            I don’t even bother to reply to that bloviating old dinosaur, Sweetie anymore. Not because I’m a coward, but because I’m getting saccharine poisoning.

          • MarcusFenix

            I don’t blame you…sometimes it’s easier to back away from the crazy and hope you didn’t get any on you.

    • MarcusFenix

      Should have put this in the first time.

      Not that before Katrina, it was some unknown idea, but…most people know that government just gets in the way most of the time. In VA, I grew up on the bay, and hurricanes are a regular occurrence which bring with it tons of property damage, flooding, and so on. After major storms like Isabel, it would be several days at times before we’d see anyone from a FEMA-like agency. By the time they got there, crews had been clearing and restoring things for days on end. The government folks who would show up literally would get out of their vehicle, look around for 5 minutes, tell people to keep up the good work, and drive off. Wasn’t even worth their drive down.

      • Basset_Hound

        After the Moore tornadoes, they actually had to tell people from Kansas and Texas NOT to come because there were already so many people pouring in from both directions that it was clogging I-35.

      • Mary Lee

        S.E. Cupp is gorgeous! And she’s also very funny.

        • MarcusFenix

          Absolutely. When she got engaged, I’m sure there was more than one slightly jealous person who noted the loss. :)

    • john lind

      There’s also Doris Gordon, founder of Libertarians for Life. Female, atheist, and libertarian…there goes the “anti-choicers” are always male, conservative, Christians argument.

      • Faye Valentine

        Don’t forget Kelsey Hazzard, founder and President of Secular Pro-Life.

    • Ankos

      Where the heck is Bob? I see comments about him all over the place, but no comments from him.

      • Basset_Hound

        You haven’t missed much.

  • MarcusFenix

    Honestly, I’d never heard of Bob before seeing those posts. If that’s all it takes to be a known author and considered as some intellectual on the matter, then I clearly need to steam ahead with my ideas to do so.

    • MamaBear

      You mean if I came up with something totally lacking in evidence (spectrum), but had a blog, I would be an expert and author?

      • MarcusFenix

        You, may in fact, be just that! I mean, I’ve been kicking around starting an aggregate type of blog site, with extra contributors from multiple sources, for some time now. Seeing this kind of stuff galvanizes me, after a fashion, to continue moving that direction. Likely going to start on WordPress,,,but I have a few things to do otherwise before that pops off. ;)

        Apparently, all I need is a little snark and a web address, and maybe I too could soon be on TV as an expert witness. Could be a new gig for me. Then, I could get on TV and watch people squirm in real time while seeing them avoid anything that resembles an actual argument.

        Could be fun! We can all be experts AND on TV.

        • Basset_Hound

          Snark, a web address or pictures of your ju… oh never mind.

          • MarcusFenix

            So, i’m gonna need a bigger website? ;) ROFL

  • PJ4

    Calvin, here’s a great rebuttal of Bottomfeeder’s (thank you Basset!) “rebuttals” by Clint Wilcox. He writes for secular pro life a lot

    http://prolifephilosophy.blogspot.com/2014/01/an-examination-of-20-arguments-against.html?m=1

  • Clinton

    Yeah, Seidensticker’s arguments are pretty bad. I’ve actually responded to several of his articles on my blog. He also tries to engage with Christianity, as well, but if his arguments are this bad against abortion, then I would hate to see how he engages with Christian arguments.

    • Mary Lee

      Bob’s arguments are so juvenile and very poorly thought out. I burst out laughing when I read his blog.

      • Clinton

        Indeed. He just dismisses many pro-life arguments by pointing to his Spectrum Argument, an argument easily refutable.

        • Mary Lee

          He should just say “Because, spectrum.” And then he should say “Never mind.”

          • Clinton

            That about covers the effectiveness of his response.

          • Rebekah

            “Here is a picture of a rainbow. Your argument is invalid.” *Sarcasm mode off*

          • DianaG2

            LOL

        • Basset_Hound

          And he kept going on…and on…asking us how we knew there wasn’t a spectrum…..

          Two words, Bob…science and logic….

      • PJ4

        As a pretty solid agnostic, Bob (and Sharon) made we wanna run head long into the comforting arms of religion!
        They actually made me embarrassed to be an agnostic

    • Basset_Hound

      “There’s a little bit of difference between a zygote and a newborn. There’s a lot of difference between a newborn and the neighbor’s red oak tree…..”

      “I can open Adobe Illustrator and draw a rectangle. I can change the fill and/or the stroke color from blue to green by changing the number values in the box with the R, the box with the G and the box with the Y in the Color Picker panel. I can also slide the circle around and change colors that way too. So since I can make colors change, I guess there’s some kind of transition between not-human, kinda-sorta human, almost-human and real-live human cuz I say so”.

    • MarcusFenix

      Honestly, based on his argument and how it’s been lambasted, I’m just going to call him Sideshow Bob from now on. Seems appropriate.

  • Mary Lee

    Thank you for writing this, Calvin. I am so, so sick of this idea pro-aborts have that women who are pro-life are some how “less than,” that we “don’t count,” that we “aren’t really women,” and it’s okay to say incredibly hateful and profane things about us with impunity. To be sure, having been on both sides of the fence, I believe that the pro-abortion stance is not feminist at all. There is absolutely nothing feminist about abortion. It is far more self-loathing for a woman to believe she should be like a man to live in this world than rejoice in the spectacular ability to carry life.

    I’ve found pro-abortion men to be far more insufferable than pro-abortion women. The women who argue that the slaughter of the unborn is a “right” are usually in pain, or completely confused…They most often have had an abortion, and need it to be a right (because if it’s wrong, they have done something unspeakably wrong), but sometimes it is someone who simply has not been informed, someone who is “personally opposed” and even afraid to be a part of the pro-life community, because we don’t have as many cool kids and celebrities. Frankly, I don’t care how “cool” it is to support abortion. Even if I were the last person on earth to fight against this, I will never go back to believing abortion is a valid “choice,” or, worse, a “right.”

    Now, pro-abortion men are just pathetic. I find them to be far more arrogant (except for Sweetie Sharon, who maybe is just in a lot of pain, I mean, she was outrageous!), and a lot smarmier. I can expect to find vehement debate between women, but with men, I find myself getting even more exasperated. They don’t want to listen to a pro-life woman at all; I find them to be incredibly misogynist and patronizing.

    • Basset_Hound

      Get this, Mary Lee. You, me, Jaz, Calvin and Andrew are mentioned by name on a whine-fest on RHRC.

      • Mary Lee

        *FIST BUMP!*

        That just made my day! RH Delusion Check!

        • Basset_Hound

          Yeah. Me too. (in my best Texas accent) AH MAYED DA BIG TIME.

      • Mary Lee

        Yes, apparently I believe women should be broodmares! Or something. *scratches head*

        Hey, here’s what’s funny. The pro-aborts ALWAYS use terms like “broodmare” and “incubator” to humiliate pregnancy itself. Never once did I say [cornpone Texan accent] “Bah golleh, a woman’s playsh ish birthin’ out all kinds o’ babybehs!” I maintain the fact that abortion is anti-feminist. If they did actual research and sat down to actually think about it, and witness it, and ask “Why?” and really listen……But nope.

        Anyway. The pro-aborts don’t even get their insults right. Broodmares are the healthiest and strongest and they’re the moms of the award-winning throughbreds, so, that’s a bad thing, is it? What?

        • Basset_Hound

          And never once did Calvin call any women “bitches”.

          • Mary Lee

            He didn’t?! *LOUD SNORT-LAUGH*

            They don’t understand our arguments at all. They don’t even bother to try.

          • Andrew J. Corrales

            That’s because of projection. They think in terms of dumb*** one-liners, so they assume our arguments are long chains of one-liners. You’ll notice that they never seem to argue with entire paragraphs save when it’s a dumbed-down one. They usually argue with individual sentences. They might even complain about simple word choice. They excel at using semantic tricks to make themselves sound smarter/kinder than they are. Scratch that, they don’t excel, they’re transparent as windows washed with Windex. If you can’t get a job as an actor, just be a professional pro-abortion proponent. Never mind, don’t. It’d be about as lucrative as being a vagrant.

          • Basset_Hound

            Sweetie actually DID…long, bloviating paragraphs filled with slogans.

          • Andrew J. Corrales

            Oops, sorry, my mistake.

          • DianaG2

            EEEk, absolutely not.

        • DianaG2

          Good point.

      • MarcusFenix

        Well, how much of a cogent argument do you think they can make when childish insults are all they can use…and can’t even grow a pair long enough to do it here?

      • Andrew J. Corrales

        RHRC? Can you tell me who they are, and where the whine-fest is? Yes, to be honest, I’m only asking so I can bask in the idea of being in someone’s head, but histrionics aside, pls? :)

        • MarcusFenix

          It’s a site called RH Reality Check, though it functions in that capacity in name only. Past the name, it’s a liberal shill station. I had the address for the thread, but can’t find it, so maybe someone else can provide it. You’re not missing much though…if you’ve ever been through third grade, you pretty much can know what to expect.

          • Andrew J. Corrales

            Oh joy, third grade is when I first encountered bullies…and when I first missed a field trip… :( lol

          • Andrew J. Corrales

            Found the site. Which article?

          • MarcusFenix

            I believe it was one of the articles about the Munoz case. Sorry, i can’t find the link (i cleared my history not long after having been there).

            And yes, they’re bullies…but like most of their kind, they’re cowardly and substandard in the intelligence department.

          • Andrew J. Corrales

            Found it >:D Apparently I’m an a**hat. lol

          • Basset_Hound

            I was singled out for being a Mean Girl because I picked on somebody. I’m also a “moron”.

          • Andrew J. Corrales

            Sounds like this Disney villain I heard of somewhere who said, “I’m twice as smart as you, and you aren’t smart at all!” Tell me if I misquoted.

          • Basset_Hound

            I feel like Regina George, the dumb blonde cheerleader in “Mean Girls”.. or better yet, Christy Matthews, the “nasty b*tch” in Romy and Michelle’s High School Reunion.

          • Andrew J. Corrales

            I feel like the weeping angel in Amy’s head in Season 5 of Doctor Who. >:D

          • Basset_Hound

            Those things were SCARY, Andrew.

          • Andrew J. Corrales

            Yes. Good thing I’m not an actual weeping angel. I’d rather be a Time Lord anyway. Forgive the more serious note, but one of my favorite things the Doctor said that has pro-life insinuations is “I’ve never met someone who wasn’t significant.”

          • Basset_Hound

            Encountered another whovian on one of these threads a couple of weeks ago. Wish I could remember who it was (no pun intended).

          • Rebekah

            Just go around asking people if they know that beans are evil.

          • Basset_Hound

            She’s turned up on her own. Check one of the above posts.

          • Rebekah

            Hahaha awesome! Start talking about a fandom, and the fans will emerge.

          • Basset_Hound

            And trolls will show up to dole out down votes. I wonder who it could be.

          • Rebekah

            Eh, doesn’t matter. We can’t spend our lives focused on people who disapprove of friendly chatting.

          • Lisa Nelson

            Or when he tells Merry in the Rings of Akhaten and he tells her that she is unique in the universe and getting rid of that existence is a waste. I’m firmly convinced that the Doctor is pro-life.

            On a side note, it’s always nice to meet another whovian!

          • Basset_Hound

            Glad to see you. You were the subject of my post below.

          • Lisa Nelson

            Yay! I don’t get to meet enough whovians so it’s always nice to find someone else who loves this show!

          • DianaG2

            Well, I’m a “simpleton” and there are various other epithets as well, that they apply to people “like me.”

          • Andrew J. Corrales

            They have zero (0) room to talk.

          • DianaG2

            They actually said I’m not really homeless.

            Who on earth would LIE about being homeless? Does that even make any sense? In what universe?

          • Andrew J. Corrales

            Only Jesus Christ knows.

          • DianaG2

            Yes, that’s how I feel also, Andrew. Thanks.

          • Andrew J. Corrales

            (Nods)

          • DianaG2

            :-))

          • Basset_Hound

            One troll on NRO had a lot of fun with my name and profile pic. I was a “bad dog”. I “had fleas”, “had rabies”, “smelled bad” and needed to be put down.

          • Andrew J. Corrales

            I hope they don’t talk like that about real dogs. Is it just me, or are their complaints against us no more significant than rude jokes without legitimate-sounding form or substance?

          • JDC

            No, it’d certainly not just you.

          • DianaG2

            Jerk!

            So sorry, BH.

            Do they even CARE what anyone thinks of them? I guess not.

          • DianaG2

            LOL, good one. Who could argue with such reasoning, clarity and erudition, right?

          • CJ99

            Sure its not tinfoil hat there Andrew?

          • Andrew J. Corrales

            Why would it be? I saw what they wrote for myself.

          • MarcusFenix

            Because nothing says “We have a valid point to make”, when invoking comments like this.

            You and your cheerleader Jennifer there are welcome to come and rationally debate things whenever you want..but we’ll wait, because who needs that, amirite?

          • DianaG2

            Wow, they are really unbelievably nasty.

      • Marauder

        This is what happens when they take me off my medication because I’m pregnant and I get exhausted and stay off the Internet for a few days: I miss out on a LiveAction smackdown and miss my chance to annoy RHRC. Congratulations to everyone else! If Mary Lee was there, they probably heard whatever I would have said anyway. :D

        • Basset_Hound

          Hope your pregnancy is going well Marauder. You’re in my prayers.

          • Marauder

            Thanks. The morning sickness has found me, but otherwise it’s going okay. :)

          • Basset_Hound

            This too will pass…..

          • DianaG2

            Yes, I only had it in the first trimester. Second trimester — always so good.

          • Basset_Hound

            Got a real interesting pregnancy symptom both times in my second trimester. My hair got really thick and luxurious. Didn’t last after birth though..:-(

          • DianaG2

            Really? Lucky you. Too bad it didn’t last, huh?

          • DianaG2

            Very good news.

            Yes, that stuff could be pretty horrifying. I kept saltines next to the bed, and didn’t get up until munching one or two.

            Also ginger ale., with lots of ice in the glass.

          • MamaBear

            I felt pretty good with each of my pregnancies once I got past that first trimester. Ice chips, frozen slushies, and popsicles seemed to help. (Freeze your own from juice.) My daughter used some type of herbal tea to sooth nausea, recommended by a midwife at her birthing center.
            Well, I will be gone myself for a few days. Surgery tomorrow. I’m so special, I’m first. (There are actually people up before sunrise?) Oh well, unlike friends and family, I get to go BACK to SLEEP!
            So, ya’ll behave yourselves!

      • DianaG2

        Really?

        Now you know you’re doing stuff right, right?? LOL

        Where is that article? I have to read it. I may not be able to escape without bloody fists, but . . . ’twill be worth it.

      • DianaG2

        I have yet to read that article? But, I’m kind of scared of those dangerous jerks, so I’m not sure I should even dare?

        Anyway — congratulations!! You guys are awesome!!

        I know I’ve said that about a jillion times already. Still true, though.

  • Part138

    I imagine this picture wouldn’t make the cut at a mainstream magazine, being that it’s of young prolife women, one* of whom appears to be, of all things, African American!
    *I know you can’t tell her age because her face is blocked, but it seems that ANY woman of color gets especially harrassed for being prolife. (such as Alveda King or Stacey Dash)