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Pro-choice witch sells voodoo dolls of Gov. Rick Perry to raise money for Planned Parenthood

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Rick Perry. Photo by Gage Skidmore.

A woman who makes corsets for fetishists and those who practice bondage has come up with a novel way of making money for Planned Parenthood. Michelle Sinched, who lives in Houston, Texas, wanted to protest the legislation banning late term abortions and setting up safety guidelines for abortion clinics. So she’s making and selling voodoo dolls of Governor Rick Perry.

You can’t make this stuff up.

The voodoo dolls, which come with pins, range in price from $25-$30. The $25 version sports a t-shirt with a coat hanger on it. The more expensive version is attired in a tuxedo. Each voodoo doll holds a placard which buyers can decorate with pro-abortion sayings (such as mockeries of pro-life slogans). You can buy a pair of both dolls for $50.

Sinched, who calls herself “The Sinch Witch”,  came up with the idea shortly before the bill was signed into law by Perry, whom she has nicknamed “Governor Goodhair.”

According to Sinched:

“I was inspired to make them because I wanted to figure out something I could make that would send a message and raise money for Planned Parenthood. What’s better than sticking pins in Gov. Goodhair or burning him at your own doll sized stake? I would probably best describe myself as pro choice and pro life. No one ever wants to face the abortion choice but it happens. I believe no one has the right to make that choice but the woman it affects. I was once a client of PP and I have felt a great deal of gratitude for them being available when I had no insurance and could not afford birth control or annual well woman check ups.”

Defenders of Planned Parenthood commonly make the argument that women will have nowhere to go for medical care and birth control if Planned Parenthood facilities close. However, there are six community medical centers offering free or low cost family planning and women’s health services in Brazos Valley, Texas, alone.

I asked members of the pro-life Facebook community “Pro-Life Pagans’ for comments. One member, Alexandra, who identifies herself as a witch of the Gibralter family tradition, has this to say about Sinched’s actions:

“Her beliefs aside, I find it ironic that she claims she is both pro choice and pro life, but is selling voodoo dolls where people can do harm with intent. How is that being pro life?”

She also spoke out in support of the very bill that Sinched is protesting:

“[Sinched] also focuses on women (totally ignores men who are also involved in making babies), but then seems to have issues with Texas demanding that abortion clinics have to be up to surgical standards. With the millions they make off the back of abortions and money from private donations as well as the government you would think the least these clinics could do is to ensure there is a sterile environment as abortion is a surgical procedure. Why is abortion considered anything less than surgery where the highest cleanliness should be involved? Planned Parenthood is using this as a red herring.”

Alexandra also mentions that if Sinched considers herself a Wiccan (a pagan belief system that differs from Alexandra’s but which is popular among those who identify as witches), she is going against the tradition of Wiccan teachings:

“…she should also be following the Wiccan Rede of do no harm. Abortion kills. And that is not very Wiccan-like or following the benevolent beliefs of Wicca.”

  • princessjasmine45

    Yes, I have to agree with Sinched… her voodoo dolls are the perfect representation of the pro death camp.
    Sticking pins in someone and burning them at the stake is just as Medieval as abortion.
    I’m very happy she’s make the correct correlation.

  • JDC

    I always have to laugh at people who claim to be both pro-choice and pro-life because it shows that they do not actually know what these words mean. It kind of seems like how a very small child who doesn’t know anything about these issues would if asked which of the two they are. They would be all like “they both sound good! I want to be both!”.

    • princessjasmine45

      I posit that it shows indecisiveness and what I like to call… “flip-floppery”

    • LaceyNichole

      You can be pro-life and against abortion and still be pro-choice and believe that the option shouldn’t be taken away. Personally, I don’t agree with abortion and I think there is almost always a better option but I understand that outlawing abortion won’t make it go away and will simply drive it underground and make it even more unsafe and cause the loss of more life than we are already losing. If someone really wants an abortion they are going to get one no matter what any law or pro-lifer says. She should at least have a safe place to have the procedure done and education available to her for the future.

      • Faye Valentine

        “If someone really wants an abortion they are going to get one no matter what any law or pro-lifer says.”

        Source, please.

        I fail to see how the danger inherent in killing someone illegally somehow stands as making it reasonable to legalize the killing of that individual.

        • Mary Lee

          It’s their old standby: “They’re going to do it anyway!” That’s one of their chestnuts. They’re going to do it anyway, it might as well be legal? Even though it kills a baby person?

      • everyonehastherighttobeborn

        This is a typical pro-choice response. You’ve been brainwashed by media. Women die from legal abortions as well. If someone really wants to murder someone they are going to do it no matter what the law says, so we should make it easier for them. Messed up logic if you ask me! Yes there will be some women who will always seek an abortion even if illegal;but if they are illegal you can be sure there will be a lot less pregnancys happening. A person is either for abortion or against abortion. There is no fence sitting on this one!

      • Frankie Addiego

        And you can say that about any crime. There’s still murder, there’s still home-invasions, there’s still rape. But they are a deterrent and we know that the more convenient abortion is, the more common it is.

        Plus, people seem to believe that if all abortion were banned that they’d be happening in someone’s bedroom with a coat hanger like in Dirty Dancing. Actually, the term “back alley abortion” comes from the fact that they’d sneak into a DOCTOR’s office and have it in the back office, for better or worse.

        That brings us to the simple fact that right now, our hands are tied by the Supreme Court until viability. Right now, the bill on Capitol Hill is about banning them after 20 weeks. You know, right before the unborn child can feel pain, and a few weeks before it’s officially “viable,” and when abortion becomes less safe. Last I checked, the women getting abortions wouldn’t even face penalties, and the doctors would get a mere five years for each illegal abortion. Of course, you can look it up for yourself. But in any case, if you’re worried about location and technology, they’re probably still going to be performed in the same place.

        Finally, if you’re so “pro-life,” my question is, do you support ANY restrictions? Are you willing to condemn the abortion industry or its advocates at-all? Or are we the only bad guys?

      • Mary Lee

        That doesn’t make any sense. At all. You cannot be pro-life and believe abortion is ever okay. You are either pro-abortion, or you are anti-abortion. You cannot be both. You can’t be a meat-eating vegetarian, either.

      • princessjasmine45

        well… you could say that of any crime…
        If a man really wants to rape a women, why make it illegal?
        or if you really want to have a slave, they’re going to get one somehow, so why bother making it illegal?

        etc etc etc

      • Liz Litts

        Get a life!

      • Basset_Hound

        People are going to drive drunk anyway no matter how many laws are on the books. No matter how many random checkpoint s the cops set up. So let’s just repeal all DUI laws!

      • Star Seed

        It’s one thing to disagree, it’s another to attack. Lacey, I share the same opinion as you do and I hate the labels thrown by both sides. “Either you agree with my extreme beliefs, or go to hell”, seems to be the common mantra for both. So, I will break it down like this for those that attacked you and any other that the shoe fits:
        1. The woman comes first. The extremes that pro-lifers have taken, especially,places like Ireland, delayed/denied medical treatment for life-threatening pregnancies is just plain STUPID. Without mom, there is no baby. I don’t want to hear that it can’t happen here, because yes, it can.
        2. Contraception is really, really OKAY. Get over it. Next, some pro-lifers will be advocating to save the billions of cells that the body kills on its own every hour.
        3. Pro-life means being supportive of all stages of life and not just the pre-natal stage. That means, instead of demeaning the poor and supporting the rich, get your ass out there and start doing your part to make it a better place.
        4. The body of a woman is not the property of the male or of society. If laws are made to control a woman’s vagina then laws need to be made to control a man’s penis and ENFORCE them. A good way to start would be maybe NOT allowing a RAPIST PEDOPHILE walk free with just sixteen years of probation and then allow him rights to the victim and the baby she chose to keep? Who in the hell would want to keep a pregnancy if a rapist is going to be given custodial rights?
        5. Pro-choice means having a REAL choice. A real choice means that a woman doesn’t receive sugar coated information about the abortion procedure in order to make her feel better about having an abortion.
        6. A real choice extends to being able to keep a child because you want to and not getting an abortion due to being pressured by financial or other extenuating circumstances (especially issues of domestic violence).
        7. A zygote, embryo and fetus is alive and is a person. Trying to degrade the humanity of a baby for a political agenda is just STUPID.
        8. Or maybe it’s SMART considering that there is much, much money to be made off selling embryonic and fetal tissue. Who would have thought that ghouls could make so much money?
        10. There are limitations to the extent of any medical procedures. Why should abortion be excluded?
        Wherever there is oppression and degradation of women – there will be abortions. Start treating the disease and not the symptoms (which humans tend to do on just about any political or personal issues).

        • patriciacarrasco

          on your number #2 point: cells in the body doing what they do is just a normal part of being human. eggs that are destroyed when a woman gets her period is natural, and so is sperm that is dispensed…but when u bring an egg and sperm together to make a NEW LIFE? thats totally different because its someone ELSE, not part of your body

          and also #10: women in this country are hardly “oppressed”, they want abortions because of convenience or use it as birth control. the man has no choice if a woman wants to abort his child, isnt the man oppressed in this case?

          • Star Seed

            The vast majority of birth control prevents the union of the egg and sperm, nor is birth control used solely for the prevention of pregnancy but is also used to prevent cyst growth and control chronic bleeding.

            Also, women in this country are oppressed and not only oppressed but demonized if they live a lifestyle that is alternate to the dictated patriarchal society.

            If women are to be upheld to the standard that they are responsible for preventing a pregnancy, then so should men.

    • chris

      i think its funny that people feel republicans will do anything about it. Short of simply getting the blanket of christian pro-life votes by default- they will never be able to control the vast majority that still kill their young as a form of birth control…

  • Pro-Woman

    If you want to reduce abortions, support Planned Parenthood and free, easily obtained birth control. Also support sex-ed in school (not just abstinence – which doesn’t work) and affordable healthcare and assistance. Then you are pro-life. Until then, you are just pro-birth/forced birthers and hypocrites. Cradle to grave care is important. Oh, and adopt some of those poor babies that are neglected, abused, and/or orphaned while you’re at it, or STFU. And hey “princess” jasmine, abortions have long been practiced before the medieval times, now we are just trying to make it safe and accessible for women who need one – because it’s not an easy choice, but it should be a choice for some. You know what is archaic and medieval? You.

    • CarmichaelPatriot

      Move to Europe. They have all that.

      • princessjasmine45

        Only problem though is that most European countries outlaw abortion after the first trimester plus they impose waiting periods
        The pro death camp in the US won’t stand for that

      • johno

        Germany and even France have 12 wk limit. They do not have abortion on demand laws.

        • princessjasmine45

          American Feminists wouldn’t be able to handle such burdensome pressures

    • princessjasmine45

      bwbhahahahahaha!!!!

      I SO enjoy pro death camp hysteria… I really do… it’s just entertaining… if a little sad.

      WOW! You sure showed us, didn’t you?

      How will any of us EVER recover from SUCH a blow! (double entendre–I’ll wait here, while you go look that up.)

      “If you want to reduce abortions, support Planned Parenthood and free, easily obtained birth control.”

      Planned Parenthood is the largest provider of abortions in the US, why would we support them?

      There are very many other free clinics out there for low income women that provide all such services for women. Despite what you’ve been lead to believe, PP, isn’t the only thing out there…

      “Also support sex-ed in school (not just abstinence – which doesn’t work) and affordable healthcare and assistance.”

      Can you name ONE public school in the US that doesn’t teach sex ed? just one…

      Oh, and abstinence DOES work for some people–definitely not for me as (I’m ridiculously hyper sexual) but for some people, it REALLY works. Don’t diss something you’ve probably never tried in your life.

      BTW, universal healthcare, comprehensive sex ed and readily available birth control has NOT reduced abortions in Canada OR England. Care to explain?
      Government cradle to grave assistance? Are you insinuating that women are so incompetent that we need to depend on big daddy government for the rest of our lives or that we’d teach our children that kind of irresponsibility?

      “Oh, and adopt some of those poor babies that are neglected, abused, and/or orphaned while you’re at it, or STFU.”

      How to put this politely….

      When you come out of the rock under which you’ve been living and actually open your eyes (and not just eat what Jezebel is feeding you) you’ll know that we DO adopt poor babes that are neglected, abused, and/or orphaned.

      My husband and I are foster parents and we’re about to adopt. We’re also on the verge of opening up our own non-profit clinic/center to support women in need to help them keep their babies and their dreams

      So, yes please STFU as you really have NO clue.

      “And hey “princess” jasmine, abortions have long been practiced before the medieval times, now we are just trying to make it safe and accessible for women who need one – because it’s not an easy choice, but it should be a choice for some.”

      WHAT???? abortions have been around since before medieval times????NO!!!!! Really????? you don’t say! (sarcasm in case you missed it) Of course so has murder, rape, pedophilia, prostitution and theft…

      Safe and accessible? really? like for Tonya Reeves, Barbara
      Auerbach, Diana Lopez, Holly Patterson Karnamaya Mongar et al
      who suffered at the hands of either PP or some other crazy abortionist. All POST 1973.
      I realize you’re scratching your head right now and wondering who all these women are ( there are literally hundreds who have died and thousands who have been maimed), a simple google search will enlighten you.

      My reference was to the practice of quartering victims and witch burnings that went on in Medieval times. Sorry that went right over your precious little head.

      Oh and.. .yes, since you asked….I played the character of Princess Jasmine at Disneyland for about a year. Kids still ask me if I’m Jasmine whenever I take my kids to that park.

      Not an easy choice? Really? 55 million dead babies later and it’s not an easy choice? rrrrriiiighhhht…

      “You know what is archaic and medieval? You.”

      Oh you clever little girl (or boy)!

      Did you come up with that all by yourself?

      Or did your boyfriend come up with that for you?

      Without all your false claims and histrionics what do you people have? Nothing. But go one with your bad selves. Please.

    • Basset_Hound

      Wow. Just wow. Free birth control! Healthcare, and cradle to grave assistance! Why bother to have a JOB, set any personal boundaries for yourself or weigh short term decisions in as to how they affect long term outcomes (a thinking pattern that appears in adults).

      As to what “doesn’t work”…we can see that out of wedlock births have skyrocketed from 5% to 40%, and as high as 72% among blacks. We used to have only two STD’s, now there are more than 20. Yup. That’s success!

      • princessjasmine45

        You really can’t take these people seriously…
        All they have are histrionics.
        No real facts.
        It’s no wonder they’re losing

        • Basset_Hound

          You’d think they’d come up with some new material, at least.

          • princessjasmine45

            Nupe
            It’s the same old tired crap combined with anger and hysteria

        • Frankie Addiego

          I know, but it’s just fun kicking their ass!

          • princessjasmine45

            haha… true true…

            It’s always entertaining to see how hysterical and angry they get.

            Why are pro-aborts always so angry?
            Why do they have to perpetuate the “angry feminist” stereotype?
            Why?Why? Why?

            I posit it’s because they don’t get enough sex and are pretty dull in bed.

      • Robyn Kern

        There have always been many STD’s, not just 2. Yes free birth control, and education. the opposite does not work.

        • Guest

          Lol, reducing the percentage of sexual intercourse resulting in pregnancies doesn’t mean that less pregnancies will occur, or that there will be less abortions.

          The abortion industry knows this, this is way they spend so much money on advertising to promote a high volume, “consequence free,” Dionysian lifestyle of sex and pleasure. The more people having sex, the more business they get.

          Let’s put this in mathematical terms:

          Total number of unwanted pregnancies = (total volume of carefree sex) * (percentage of carefree sex resulting in pregnancy.)

          Contraceptives only reduce the percentage of sex leading to pregnancy. By promoting a sexual lifestyle, you can increase the total number of unwanted pregnancies by incentivizing sex; even as you decrease the percentage of sex resulting in pregnancies.

          If that still doesn’t convince you that contraceptives do nothing to reduce abortion, then consider this: If it was really true that promoting contraceptives and sex education would really reduce abortion rates, why do abortionists promote a policy that would theoretically put themselves out of work, or make their job market more difficult?

          • Gen

            Actually there have been many studies showing that when women are given access to long-term birth control (norplant type bc) the rates of unwanted pregnancies decrease and also the amount of abortions. Here is a link(it is even from Fox news!):

            http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/10/05/study-free-birth-control-leads-to-fewer-abortions/

          • princessjasmine45

            You say “many” but only list one

          • Frankie Addiego

            Gee, really? I never would have guessed… it’s almost like that’s the POINT of contraception.

            Look, if Planned Parenthood wants to give out free birth control, that’s their business, but it has deep pockets and, on principle, I don’t think the tax payers need to foot the bill.

          • Faithkuz

            According to this study, a 24 year old who had sex has over a 6% chance of becoming pregnant. By the mid thirties, about 1 out of 10 will have “unintended” pregnancies while on birth control. In other studies this number is much higher. What then?
            When contraception fails, the back up “birth control” option is abortion and the study backs that.
            Gen. ask yourself why we do not recognize and plan for the possibility of a pregnancy (even those on birth control)? Might it have to do w. the mega-billions earned by Big Pharma for hormonal contraceptives (i.e. steroids)? There is actually 99% success with NFP (Natural Family Planning). That’s pretty wonderful, esp. since no harmful “side” effects for the woman and no toxic effects on waterways as steroids are flushed. Why not take the attitude that if becoming pregnant, accepting that reality? Adoption has none of the statistically negative consequences of abortion: cancer, increased depression, risk of violent death, etc.
            Sex is connected to reproduction as Biology 101 dictates. Ask yourself why corporations and Planned Parenthood promote sex as if it has nothing to do with babies? What is to be gained?

          • minxcomix

            your comment is further supported by the fact that according to Guttmacher, 52% of women seeking abortions at Planned Parenthood were using contraception when they became pregnant.

          • Frankie Addiego

            “why do abortionists promote a policy that would theoretically put themselves out of work, or make their job market more difficult?”

            THIS!!! Although this will bounce off the chest of the pro-aborts because in their minds, abortion-doctors are never in it for the money, and have a nigh-infallability that we could only wish for in cardiologists and brain surgeons, and they never do things like cover up sex crimes or have underage girls “pick a date that works,” when filling out their information.

        • princessjasmine45

          you’re silly… of course abstinence works… for SOME people. Why would you think it doesn’t?
          England provides free birth control and education… they have very high abortion rates.

          Personally, I think teaching women how to have orgasms outside of penis in vagina sex is a task that needs to be undertaken.
          Birth control is mostly free. If not, a condom is less than $2 and the carcinogenic pill is about $9.

          Let’s face it.. abortion and birth control is not so much about sexual freedom as it is about controlling the offspring of minorities. It’s just as Sanger planned….although, to her credit, she wasn’t such a proponent of abortion…hardly any of the early feminists were.

          • Frankie Addiego

            Saying “abstinence doesn’t work” is like saying the pill “doesn’t work,” because sometimes women go OFF the pill and get pregnant. Oooh: in fact, let’s play a game of spin.

            If I were to survey all the women who have gotten pregnant for ANY reason (anything from rape to planned pregnancy) I would imagine that a high percentage of them would have been on the pill AT SOME POINT IN THEIR LIVES. Suddenly, I could write, “x% of pregnancies occur despite use of contraception.” Suddenly, “oh, the pill doesn’t work!”

            But I wouldn’t do that.

          • Frankie Addiego

            I’ll field this one: the sphere of influence would have us believe that no matter how much you drill abstinence into teenagers’ heads, they’ll eventually succumb to temptations and since all these schools supposedly don’t even broach the subject of birth control, they’ll be unaware that there are these latex things you can put on your wiener.

            And since “ABSTINENCE DOESN’T WORK,” is a great bumper-sticker line, they buy into it hook, line and sinker, which fills peoples’ heads with the notion that they have no choice but to go around having sex. Almost as if they’re saying that unwanted pregnancy is practically inevitable. After-all, birth control isn’t 100%.

          • Basset_Hound

            Also, teen magazines and web sites are more than willing to write articles about the pros and cons of different forms of birth control. They also inform underage girls about how to obtain contraception on the sneak without having to tell Mommy and Daddy (or use their insurance).

        • minxcomix

          Incorrect Robyn. Research it. 1960 had 2 major STDs, both could be cured/maintained with proper medical care: Syphilis and Gonorrhea. Everything else we have has risen since then, thanks to our sexual “freedom”.
          Some freedom.

        • Frankie Addiego

          Again, some people actually think there are all these schools who refuse to educate students about the existence of birth control. Then they say abstinence doesn’t work, which they back up with STATEWIDE trends which don’t factor anything else into them.

          • princessjasmine45

            To be fair, the all girls boarding school I attended taught abstinence only..as did the all boys boarding school that was down the hill from us. (we had many of the same teachers)

            There were no teen pregnancies at our schools the years I attended and there haven’t been for over 20 since they separated the schools (used to be co-ed).

            However, at the co-ed public school down the street where they taught comprehensive sex ed and gave out free birth control, there was at least 2 teen pregnancies every year.

            Moral of the story:
            My kids are going to single sex secular private schools.

      • Gen

        There have been more than 2 STD’s Basset. Syphilis, HPV, clamydia and herpes, etc. have been around for 1000’s of years. BTW, how many unwanted babies have you adopted lately? I bet you sleep just perfect at night knowing some poor single mother and her child are “paying” for their sins by going to bed hungry and living in squalor. Maybe instead of uselessly condemning children to starve you get off your ass and help people.

        • princessjasmine45

          Well, we have 3 of our own and we are foster parents to 3
          We want to adopt them but the birth parents may still have some legal ground
          How many have you helped?
          The kids and I feed the homeless and visit sick children
          What do YOU do?

          I bet you just love judging other people who don’t agree with your moral outlook on life

          Sins?
          Really, Gen, if you honestly want to have discourse and debate over abortion, kindly check your religion at the door as it has NO place in this debate. But I will thankyou for you close-mindedness

          Perhaps instead of being so judgmental and trying to justify killing our offspring YOU should get off your ass and help people

          • Gen

            As a city council member, I work at the local and state level to ensure the children in my district and city have the food and shelter they need.

            I do enjoy pointing out the hypocrisies of christians who are pro-birth but not pro-life. I hope that you are being honest when you say you are helping needy children.

            If we are going to have a purely scientific debate on abortion, I will win. Until a fetus can live outside the human body (around 24-28 weeks they have a 50/50 chance) then it is a woman’s right to terminate. If you do not like it, don’t get an abortion. These fetuses do not have a personality or awareness. That does not come until the folds develop in the brain (also around 28 weeks)

            I do what I can to support PP and ensure that women get the birth control they need so that they will not need an abortion.

          • Calvin Freiburger

            And I enjoy calling out supposedly-professional politicians who use thoughtless, intentionally-dishonest caricatures to malign dissenters from their ideology.

            Jasmine’s putting her blood, sweat, tears, and money where her mouth is and helping people herself. What you’re describing for yourself isn’t you lifting a finger and making any real sacrifice, but just deciding where to force other people to put their money. Which odds are you get paid for. Yep, that’s quite the high ground from which to preen………

            If you had a scrap of the integrity we should expect of real public servants, you would admit that the real reason people oppose your side’s endless list of programs to “support” those in need isn’t because we’re against “help” and “support,” but because we’ve taken a look at their results and find them ineffective and destructive. And if you actually managed to be objective and put the public good above your ideology and partisanship, you’d admit that we’re right.

            And “Gen” apparently isn’t short for “genius,” since in your third-paragraph boast about winning a scientific debate, you don’t actually make any scientific arguments. Your claims are the VALUE judgments you infer FROM scientific details. I’m guessing you couldn’t argue your way out of a paper bag to defend those.

          • Gen

            You mean like the scientific fact that personality and conscience coincided with the development of folds in the brain(which happen around 28 weeks)? Or maybe you are talking about the scientific fact of when a fetus is considered viable? Did you know that when women are given long term birth control that abortions rates drop dramatically? Maybe you would like to hear about the studies that show that most people are not on public assistance for more than 3-4 years.

            Would you like to discuss any of those PROVEN facts?

            You are right about one thing. I do get paid to be a politician, a whole $50/month. I am just lining my pockets with taxpayer’s money alright!

            As for how I help my community, you have no idea how much time I spend at it and even if I listed everything here you would disparage it. I know what I do and why and that is all that matters.

            I love how you act like I am the only person who approves of the programs and the use of taxpayer’s money…you need a civics lesson. The fact that I have been elected shows that the public trusts me to work in their interests, and I must be doing a fine job so far, because they didn’t have to elect me.

            Also, how can you call me partisan if you have no idea what party I affiliated with(if any) and have no idea the things I stand for, or the things I have voted on?

          • princessjasmine45

            Interesting that you can come on here and judge us as a whole group and some of us directly as individuals
            But the minute someone criticizes you or judges you…you get your panties in a wad
            Nice
            More pro death camp hypocrisy
            Apparently you people only have whiney rhetoric, false claims and hysteria
            What would you possibly have if not for that?
            But please continue to act this way
            You make it easy for our side to win.

          • princessjasmine45

            Name the studies
            Then Calvin, Basset, JDC, Sarah et al and I will analyze and discuss

            Ball’s in your court

          • princessjasmine45

            People elected you to fulfill a specific job. You get paid to do it. I hope you are being honest when you claim to be doing a good job. After all, it’s those poor taxpayers who support you.

            I do enjoy pointing out the hypocrisies of the pro death camp. They are pro abortion and pro death, but not truly pro choice. You people are so seeped in deception and prejudice that even when it’s before your own eyes, you still refuse to acknowledge that pro lifers help the needy and do most of the adopting.

            We know what we do and even if we gave you people a long list of what we do, you’d still disparage it because it doesn’t fit your false ideology of a who a pro lifer is.

            We dedicate our time, money and effort to helping the very poor and needy.

            How many children do you foster?

            In the school year I volunteer at the CPC that helped me when I was pregnant and unwed, and in college.

            Without their help, I would not have earned my 2 degrees and gone on to have a great career and afford to give back to the community.

            These are the very centers you people are trying to shut down because we offer alternatives to a women other than to just kill our offspring. So much for “choice”. You people limit women to one thing or another. We offer the ability to both have your child and your dreams.

            If we’re going to argue science, I hate to break it to you, but you wont win.

            Life begins at conception.

            “Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed…. The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity.”
            [O'Rahilly, Ronan and Miller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

            By the 8th week, which is when most women find they are pregnant, the heart is beating and the fingers and toes are already formed.

            By the end of the first trimester, your fetus has a face.

            At no point in our development are we non-human.
            Those are scientific facts.

            No we delve in to ethics and morality:

            No one, not a man, not a woman, and not even the state has the right to take human life unless it’s in self defense.

            You said “…fetuses do not have a personality or awareness. That does not come until the folds develop in the brain (also around 28 weeks)”
            We can agree then, that (at the very least) the child deserves his or her life after 28 weeks and abortion at that point should be not allowed. Yes?

            An infant also does not have a personality or awareness. The likes of Singer, Minerva, Giubilini, et al have used this fact to justify infanticide.

            The whole purpose of PP is to control the offspring of minorities and the poor. Sanger was a eugenicist. This was at the heart of her founding the American Birth Control League.

            Glad you can support such a racist organization.

          • princessjasmine45

            People elected you to fulfill a specific job. You get paid to do it. I hope you are being honest when you claim to be doing a good job. After all, it’s those poor taxpayers who support you.

            I do enjoy pointing out the hypocrisies of the pro death camp. They are pro abortion and pro death, but not truly pro choice. You people are so seeped in deception and prejudice that even when it’s before your own eyes, you still refuse to acknowledge that pro lifers help the needy and do most of the adopting.

            We know what we do and even if we gave you people a long list of what we do, you’d still disparage it because it doesn’t fit your false ideology of a who a pro lifer is.

            We dedicate our time, money and effort to helping the very poor and needy.

            How many children do you foster?

            In the school year I volunteer at the CPC that helped me when I was pregnant and unwed, and in college.

            Without their help, I would not have earned my 2 degrees and gone on to have a great career and afford to give back to the community.

            These are the very centers you people are trying to shut down because we offer alternatives to a women other than to just kill our offspring. So much for “choice”. You people limit women to one thing or another. We offer the ability to both have your child and your dreams.

            If we’re going to argue science, I hate to break it to you, but you wont win.

            Life begins at conception.

            “Although life is a continuous process, fertilization is a critical landmark because, under ordinary circumstances, a new, genetically distinct human organism is thereby formed…. The combination of 23 chromosomes present in each pronucleus results in 46 chromosomes in the zygote. Thus the diploid number is restored and the embryonic genome is formed. The embryo now exists as a genetic unity.”
            [O'Rahilly, Ronan and Miller, Fabiola. Human Embryology & Teratology. 2nd edition. New York: Wiley-Liss, 1996, pp. 8, 29. This textbook lists "pre-embryo" among "discarded and replaced terms" in modern embryology, describing it as "ill-defined and inaccurate" (p. 12}]

            By the 8th week, which is when most women find they are pregnant, the heart is beating and the fingers and toes are already formed.

            By the end of the first trimester, your fetus has a face.

            At no point in our development are we non-human.
            Those are scientific facts.

            No we delve in to ethics and morality:

            No one, not a man, not a woman, and not even the state has the right to take human life unless it’s in self defense.

            You said “…fetuses do not have a personality or awareness. That does not come until the folds develop in the brain (also around 28 weeks)”
            We can agree then, that (at the very least) the child deserves his or her life after 28 weeks and abortion at that point should be not allowed. Yes?

            An infant also does not have a personality or awareness. The likes of Singer, Minerva, Giubilini, et al have used this fact to justify infanticide.

            The whole purpose of PP is to control the offspring of minorities and the poor. Sanger was a eugenicist. This was at the heart of her founding the American Birth Control League.

            Glad you can support such a racist organization.

          • minxcomix

            Wait- you’re an elected official voting on such things on our behalf and you claimed that HPV & clamydia have been around for “1000’s of years”??
            And since when does our right to life depend on whether or not we have a personality or awareness?
            If we have a life, it is ours, no one elses, and we have a right to it. Any other claim smacks of slavery: ownership of a human life which is not our own.
            We may have at this point in time allowed our governments to give this “right” to the mother of her child developing in her womb, and to those who perform such dismemberment on her behalf, but just like the Dred Scott decision (which btw used much the same arguments) we are wrong in allowing our government to give this “right” to her, for our right to life is unalienable, given to us at the moment of our creation by our Creator, and this is a self-evident truth of which our country is founded upon.
            “Self-Evident”
            “Created”
            “Unalienable”
            Being an elected official, I trust you know where these words come from

          • princessjasmine45

            FYI,
            Just to be fair, the all girls boarding school I attended taught abstinence only..as did the all boys boarding school that was down the hill from us. (we had many of the same teachers)

            There were no teen pregnancies at our schools the years I attended and there haven’t been for over 20 since they separated the schools (used to be co-ed).

            However, at the co-ed public school down the street where they taught comprehensive sex ed and gave out free birth control, there was at least 2 teen pregnancies every year.

            Moral of the story:
            My kids are going to single sex secular private schools.

          • nursecathy123cat

            Smart parent. I wish we had been able to do that for our kids. But why secular?

          • princessjasmine45

            I’m not very religious
            I’ve already found one for my girl
            Looking for the boys now
            There are some very good Catholic all boys schools but I’d rather it be secular

          • minxcomix

            I went to an all girl school princess, and I loved it. There’s only one left in this general area now and it’s too expensive unfortunately and loooong waiting list to get in.
            I’m glad there are ones available for you, and to have a secular one available also for girls is such a wonderful option! I truly wish there were more all boy and all girl schools available, secular and otherwise, for they give people such a great sense of self-identity.

          • princessjasmine45

            100% agreed

          • Frankie Addiego

            “As a city council member, I work at the local and state level to ensure the children in my district and city have the food and shelter they need.”

            Wow, you’ve eradicated poverty in your district. Please, tell us your secret.

            “I do enjoy pointing out the hypocrisies of christians who are pro-birth but not pro-life. I hope that you are being honest when you say you are helping needy children.”

            And, of course, you assume it’s only Christians. You also assume we’re not “pro-life” no matter how many of us oppose the death penalty, etc.

            “If we are going to have a purely scientific debate on abortion, I will win.”

            No, WE win. Everything we learn about prenatal science is further evidence that the fetus is a human being.

            “Until a fetus can live outside the human body (around 24-28 weeks they have a 50/50 chance) then it is a woman’s right to terminate.”

            Oh, I’m sorry: I thought we were having a SCIENTIFIC debate. You just changed it to a quasi-ethical debate because of this arbitrary condition under which someone has the right to take the life of another because they can’t sustain their own.

            Oh, but let’s take a closer look.

            ” (around 24-28 weeks they have a 50/50 chance)”

            So even the fact that they CAN live, but have a 50/50 chance doesn’t mean anything. By this logic, if they have to remove the baby during weeks 24 and 28, the mother still has the right to kill it.

            “If you do not like it, don’t get an abortion.”

            But what if I was a poor woman? Wouldn’t I be condemning my children to living in squalor? See, you still don’t get how hypocritical your stance is.

            “These fetuses do not have a personality or awareness.”

            By this logic, you have the right to kill someone if they’re in a coma.

            “That does not come until the folds develop in the brain (also around 28 weeks)”

            By which time, their heart has started beating. They’re just as human the moment they were created.

            “I do what I can to support PP and ensure that women get the birth control they need so that they will not need an abortion.”

            And, of course, they’re the only ones who can stop abortion… even though they’re the world’s largest abortion provider.

            People like you are everything wrong with the world. Sadly, people like you get reelected for no other reason than the fact that their name sounds familiar to voters.

          • mamatoone

            I also find it interesting that Gen has ignored the fact there is a pro life PAGANS group on Facebook while putting Christians and pro lifers in the same category.

        • Basset_Hound

          Maybe you need to stop telling me what to do with my ass, and march yours to a competent therapist. With her help you can discover ways to deal with your anger issues constructively rather than aiming rhetorical vomit bombs at nameless people on the Internet. The experience would benefit you tremendously, and those who have the ill fortune to interact with you on a daily basis would be grateful as well.

          BTW, Gen do NOT need to justify myself, how I spend my time or how I utilize my resources to point out the evil of killing one’s offspring. I am accountable to my God, and my Savior, not to you. YOU are the one doing far more to condemn children to starve than I am. By your support of Planned Parenthood, YOU are encouraging women to engage in irresponsible sexual behavior that will further entrap them in poverty. On the other hand, if young people delay the onset of sexual activity until their 20’s they are far more likely to achieve a higher degree of academic achievement, and less likely to end up in poverty. That’s what abstinence does, sweet pea.

          As for your statements about Jesus, yes He did help the poor and people in need, but He also assessed people’s behavior and motives against the standards set forth in His Father’s law and was more than willing to point out when He found them lacking. He cleared the temple. He also told the woman at the well to “go and sin no more”. Also the Apostle Paul set forth clear guidelines and demanded that those in leadership positions in the Church determine who was truly needy, and who was living off the generosity of others while continuing to pursue destructive life choices.

          As for the STD’s chlamydia appeared in the US in the late 70’s and the viral diseases, such as AIDS and HPV, began to increase in the 80’s. Now they are rampant.

          So, Gen, remove the plank from you’re own eye before you lecture me as to the speck in mine.

        • minxcomix

          Syphilis and Gonorrhea have been around for thousands of years, yes. But only those two did we have as STDs we need to be careful of in the 1960’s.
          Herpes was seen, but rarely, and amongst people like prostitutes primarily as well as the people who would frequent them. Herpes did not become mainstream until the late 1980’s.
          Chlamydia was around, but in animals, not humans. It became a human problem in the 1980’s.
          HIV, HPV were first recognized in the early 1980’s, though granted, they likely first appeared in the late 1970’s.
          Now one in 4 girls graduating in high school carries the HPV virus. This statistic includes virgins who obviously do not carry the virus. Therefore the % for sexually active girls in high school is much higher.
          As for adopting “unwanted” babies, I’m afraid we have to wait for 1-3 years for that pleasure as there is a looooong waiting list.
          As for helping the poor, what have *you* done? Every single pro-life person I know volunteers time as well as contributes funds to those in need in some form or the other. We do not share the belief that the solution to such societal problems is to kill people who have a high possibility of falling victim. We work on actually resolving the problems.
          Peace.

          • Basset_Hound

            Minx, could you please provide links to the (very valuable) info you’ve stated? I’d like to save them in my personal resource list. Thanks.

          • minxcomix

            Basset, I did not gather this info from links recently visited. I have acquired it from books, research articles and the experience of living.
            I know for a fact that such STDs were not known until the 1980’s, because I lived during that time and made educated choices in my life. I remember when HIV and HPV “popped up”. I remember Herpes because medical professionals were raising the alarm for us young adults at that time it was increasing.
            The % of young women with HPV from high school I first heard from a talk that was given by a medical professional, and I followed it up with research on the internet and found it to be a well backed up statistic.
            Anyone can copy and paste links, but it is better to arm oneself with knowledge acquired by fully informing oneself with valid research. That way one can respond quickly and easily to any misconception or lie one encounters in discussions such as these. I recommend people to research these things themselves because one can quickly and better express these points as the need arises in an educated manner which is custom suited to the interaction being faced.
            I have found that when links are posted, those on the other side of the issue do not bother to really read the links, but rather look to see how they can dismiss the research. The most common is the ridicule of the source you presented. If they cannot ridicule the source, they simply ignore it, do not respond to it, and just continue repeating that which they convinced themselves of to be true.
            An honest seeker of the Truth, and a true open minded person will be in a continuous state of research on such important matters. When someone posts information which they are not aware of, they will look it up for their main goal is not to promote their own person pov, but to promote the Truth.
            As for Gen, it it is true that this person is an elected official, is obviously an intelligent person. Gen held that many STDs have been around for thousands of years. I replied in an educated manner. Gen now has a choice to either be open minded to the Truth and do some quick and easy research his/herself which no doubt (s)he has the intelligence to do, being open minded enough not to go to just the sites that already support his/her pov, or (s)he can choose to just ignore the facts presented because they do not suit her/his ideology.
            Now with that lecture I seem to have created (my apologies)being said (which frankly came from my exasperation from dealing with closed minded people…not calling you such) here are some links that one can do research with.
            Use the search tool provided to get the research articles specific to your inquiry
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=sexually+transmitted+diseases

            A quick internet search provided this article with information on STIs for ages 15-24. Taking into consideration that more teens use condoms now then they did in the pre-1960’s, one would logically assume that there is less STI’s. Rather STI’s have been steadily increasing, despite condom use. Of course the claim is that there needs to be more condom use, but logically, this isn’t working. What is happening instead is that teens are being told that condom use is “safe sex”. I remember when I was young choosing not to have sex because of concerns of acquiring one of the 2 STI’s we were dealing with….then the others came along and that added more concern. So I choose to not have sex. But now teens are being told that condom use lowers the risk of STI’s and their immature decision making process (the prefontal cortex does not fully develop until one is 23-24 yrs of age) is leading them to believe that if they use condoms, they won’t get STI’s or pregnant. So they use condoms and have sex, when they would’ve chosen not to had they not had this misconception. I wonder what choices they would make if they were told that a person infected with HIV passes on that infection to their partner 15% of the time. (John Diggs, MD, “NIH Report
            Collapses Foundation of Comprehensive Sex Education” Abstinence
            Clearinghouse, August 6 2001).

            Now see here, I’m going off again.
            Yes it’s best to do one’s own research, and that way one can respond in a custom fit manner.

            I better stop while the going is good. ;-)

          • Basset_Hound

            Thank you Minx. I did copy and paste the links you gave me. I REALLY appreciate you backing up my claims.

            “I know for a fact that such STDs were not known until the 1980’s, because I lived during that time and made educated choices in my life. I remember when HIV and HPV “popped up”. I remember Herpes because medical professionals were raising the alarm for us young adults at that time it was increasing. The % of young women with HPV from high school I first heard from a talk that was given by a medical professional, and I followed it up with research on the internet and found it to be a well backed up statistic.”

            Yes. I remember that as well. When I was a kid we only heard about the two biggies in health class. I remember the appearance of AIDS very well, and saw articles in the steady diet of women’s “fashion” magazines raising the alarm about chlamydia and herpes as well. I remembered reading “somewhere” that the viral diseases appeared in the 1980’s I watched the Pam Stenzel videos too when I found out that the pro-aborts (who had never even watched them) were having absolute CONNIPTIONS. They are excellent.

            “I have found that when links are posted, those on the
            other side of the issue do not bother to really read the links, but rather look to see how they can dismiss the research. The most common is the ridicule of the source you presented. If they cannot ridicule the source, they simply ignore it, do not respond to it, and just continue repeating that which they convinced themselves
            of to be true.”

            Understood. I’ve played both sides of that card myself. I have seen a research paper on the benefits of abstinence ridiculed because it was from the Heritage Foundation (I alluded to some if its findings on this very thread). On the other hand I’ve dismissed as tripe a diatribe against adoption from RH Reality Check.

            “Now with that lecture I seem to have created (my
            apologies)being said (which frankly came from my exasperation from dealing with closed minded people…not calling you such).”

            Also understood. Chastisement accepted. Once again, thank you for your response. All I wanted was to get direct source material to confirm my assertion. You have been more than generous to supply it, and other food for thought as well. I truly appreciate your time.

        • Frankie Addiego

          Perfect example of the pro-abortion crowd’s stupidity.

          1) Right now, abortion is legal, so what you’re basically saying is that every mother who chose life was wrong and has “condemned children to starve.”

          2) Since you’re so concerned about them, WHY DON’T YOU GET OFF YOUR ASS AND HELP THEM!?!

          Because like most self-styled “liberals” on the internet, you don’t care about these people. You just want to look heroic.

          And, of course, #3) we’re not all in a position to adopt. We’re not all married. We’re not all heads of our own households. But we’re not the ones who made their choice to go out and get laid.

        • Frankie Addiego

          1) You’ve just condemned everyone under the poverty line who has chosen life. No really. Your argument backfired, bigtime.

          2) It probably doesn’t matter to you that many of us aren’t in the position to adopt. May not make enough money. May not be confident that we’d be very good parents at this stage in our lives. And yet, unlike the people at the clinic who can say the same thing, we’re not the ones responsible for what they do.

          3) Finally, since you’re so concerned with poor kids, what exactly are you doing to help? Doesn’t look like you’re doing jack. Just condemning others for not being exactly like you.

          • minxcomix

            Frankie, you’d have to wait 2 to 3 years even if you can afford to adopt an “unwanted” baby. There’s approximately 2 million couples on waiting lists waiting to adopt these supposed “unwanted” babies….even those with disabilities. Many have given up because they can no longer handle the stress of being chosen by a birth mother, and then having the birth mother change her mind and choose to keep her child (which we are happy for the child and mother, but it is still extremely stressful). Something, btw, abortion does not allow a birth mother to do…thus making abortion the ultimate “anti-choice” position.

        • Frankie Addiego

          Hey Gen, Good Morning America just did a piece on a baby born at 23 weeks. In your way of thinking, her mother would be justified in getting rid of her for the first five weeks of delivery.

          Just another reason your “compassion” is a load of $h¡t.

      • Lilian Stoltzfus

        Oh, abstinence works… if you actually do it.

        • Frankie Addiego

          Problem is, if anyone actually announces they’re a virgin, people make fun of them. I wonder how “pro-woman” feels about that. Hey! PW: I’m a virgin, and I’ve never knocked up a girl. Huh? Wha?

          • Basset_Hound

            Hey Frankie, you’re not the only one. My 19 year old daughter is about to start her sophomore year in college. About six months ago, she broke up with a dude she dated for more than a year. She’s still a virgin as well.

          • Rebekah

            Good for you. Personally, I don’t see what the stigma of being a virgin is all about. In my mind, one of the best gifts I can give to my future husband (when/if I meet him) is to tell him, “You’re the only one I’ve ever been with, and you always will be.”

          • nursecathy123cat

            Good choice! And from what I hear from my contacts with the high school and college cohort, NOT being promiscuous has gained respect. I am not making this up.

    • Alex Hunter

      Did you ever know that you’re my hero?
      You’re everything I’d like to be.
      If I can fly higher than an eagle.
      Then you are the wind beneath my wings.

      • princessjasmine45

        Wow dude, an unoriginal response to unoriginal, tired, solidly refuted pro death camp propaganda.

        good one.

        Couldn’t even get the lyrics right..

      • Basset_Hound

        Sitting on a cornflake waiting for a van to come. Corporation tee shirt stupid bloody Tuesday. Man you’ve been a naughty boy, you’ve let your face grow long.

        I am the eggman. They are the eggman. I am the walrus. Koo koo ka choo

    • nursecathy123cat

      I do support birth control. In fact, if Planned Parenthood delivered healthcare and contraception without abortion, I would wholeheartedly support their work. So NOW can I be pro-life? Your opinion means so much to me.

      • Basset_Hound

        Not me. Even without abortion, they would still be advocating sex without consequences, particularly to the young and impressionable. That’s a deal breaker for me.

    • Frankie Addiego

      “If you want to reduce abortions, support Planned Parenthood and free, easily obtained birth control. ”

      Why should I support Planned Parenthood? I mean, even if I felt free B.C. for all on demand was the way to go, why is this ONE PROVIDER so important to people like you?

      “Also support sex-ed in school (not just abstinence – ”

      I’m pretty sure that the “abstinence-only education” is a myth. An abstinence-only education program simply means touting abstinence, not refusing to teach kids about birth control, which I would imagine, they still learn about in the ninth grade.

      “which doesn’t work”

      No, abstinence works. It’s simple, inexpensive, and doesn’t require much work.

      “Then you are pro-life. Until then, you are just pro-birth/forced birthers and hypocrites.”

      No, we’re just not as judgmental, overly-impressionable, and divisive as you.

      “Cradle to grave care is important.”

      We believe life begins before the cradle.

      “Oh, and adopt some of those poor babies that are neglected, abused, and/or orphaned while you’re at it, or STFU.”

      I love how stupid people like you think we’re all in the position to adopt.

      “And hey “princess” jasmine, abortions have long been practiced before the medieval times, now we are just trying to make it safe”

      They’re not so safe for the embryo.

      ” and accessible for women who need one”

      The only ones who “need” them are ones whose lives are in danger. And I don’t think that’s NEARLY as common as people like you would have us believe. Otherwise, they’re WANTS. Not needs, WANTS.

      “because it’s not an easy choice,”

      Really? Boy, the way people like you talk, it’s no different from getting an appendectomy.

      ” but it should be a choice for some. ”

      Some, eh? Not all? Whatever, we know you’re just running on what sounds the most dramatic.

      “You know what is archaic and medieval? You.”

      No, it’s you. Not just because you continue to advocate killing babies, but because you hate anyone who disagrees with you.

      Stupid, ugly and hateful. That’s what the pro-abortion crowd has become.

    • Faye Valentine

      Actually, it’s been statistically proven that the most effective method of dealing with sexual activity among minors is a mixture of both forms of sexual education-comprehensive sexual education with an emphasis on abstinence. The dropping teen pregnancy rate in California over the last decade or so has illustrated that quite definitively. But I guess we can’t be bothered by little things like facts when pushing an agenda. On either side.

      • princessjasmine45

        Ok. I’ll give you that. It makes a lot of sense.

        I like a happy medium.

        I appreciate your objectivity.
        Thank you.

    • Sean Minturn

      “If you want to reduce abortions, support Planned Parenthood and free, easily obtained birth control.’

      I trust tobacco companies to be in charge of anti-smoking campaigns, too.

      • princessjasmine45

        ok.. I”m actually jealous that you thought of that one first

        but I’m going to steal it!

        Thank you !
        :-)

  • CarmichaelPatriot

    Ah.. Witchcraft and infanticide. Both the work of Satan. The Dems must be so proud to have such supporters.

    • Another Jane

      As I understand it, there isn’t actually any witchcraft going on here, but rather symbolic representations. You are more like the work of the devil, in my eyes ….

      • princessjasmine45

        This chick is an insult to all that is Wiccan.

      • JDC

        Yeah, posting a comment on a website is sooo the work of the devil. 9_9

      • Mary Lee

        Yeah, trying to save babies and help women at the same time and avoid killing and honoring the ability to get pregnant is SOOOO EVIL! It’s so evil that it’s “EVEEEEL.” *rubs hands together*

        And yes, I’m also twirling my mustache and carrying some train tracks to tie down all the women whose rights I’m trying to take away even though I’m also a woman. Because I’m evil!

  • Have you ever seen Texas?

    You write “Brazos Valley, Texas” like it’s a small town or perhaps a county; incredibly misleading journalism. It’s a huge area of a huge state- much larger than many states in the United States, and, those who know anything about the state are aware that it also contains a high concentration of the state’s poorest residents, making traveling 100s of miles for medical care an unreasonable burden. Bad yellow journalist, bad.

    • princessjasmine45

      Like how Planned Parenthood pretends to be the only entity out there that helps low income women?

  • Gen

    How can you people call yourselves christians. Christ would help those in need, he would have fed the poor and healed the sick, not pointed at them and said, “this is what you get”. You make me sick. Maybe instead of placing judgement, you could use the tools modern medicine has given us to help prevent unwanted births, and if Christ feel these people are sinners, he can judge them, NOT YOU!

    How can you sleep at night knowing innocent children are starving because you refuse to help them? This is not about abortion, this is about children! How many of you have adopted or fostered unwanted children?

    • sarah5775

      So what are YOU doing to help the starving children, Gen? Personally, I donate to food pantries and volunteered for years at a homeless shelter, until my arthritis got too bad that I can’t walk. I also volunteered in a soup kitchen. I also fight to prevent babies from being dismembered in their mother’s wombs. When a baby with a heartbeat and a developing brain (and over two thirds of the time, with arms and legs and fingers and toes, AS WELL as her own ovaries, which grow in the seventh week) is in danger of being ripped to shreds, and the mother is in danger of being lied to and manipulated into a “choice” she will regret for the rest of her life, I want to help.

      • sarah5775

        Gen, you are a politician, but I got my hands dirty, spending hours every day working to make things better for the poor. Saying that we don’t help poor children is both a lie and a red herring. So there are poor children, so everyone should go out and dismember babies?

        • sarah5775

          And why do you keep bringing up religion? Having a baby is not a punishment. You must not have children. I have never met a woman who regretted having her child- I have met dozens who regret their abortions.

      • princessjasmine45

        You are amazing.
        Thank you for the work you do.

    • princessjasmine45

      You’re talking out of your ass again.
      Do you honestly believe that pro lifers are only Christian?
      You can’t be that ignorant… you just cannot…

      um.. I’m pretty sure that the man Christians call Christ would not have condoned killing one’s offspring either…

      How can you sleep at night knowing that you’re seriously misjudging Christians and the rest us who are out there volunteering for something you were elected for and paid to do.
      Plenty of us have adopted or fostered unwanted children, have you?
      Don’t sit on your high seat of judgement and tell us that we do nothing when we absolutely are. This is both about the born, and the unborn.

    • Dissgruntled

      Just a novel idea for everyone: What if we educated people to have self-discipline and to understand that they are creating a child, that sex will result in pro-creation, that sex is the way to create offspring, that we get children when we have sperm plus and egg. As for the argument that abstinence doesn’t work, sorry, but every time I haven’t had sex I haven’t had a child. It’s a miracle! Wow, not having sex results in not having children, who knew?

      I could go on about the mental and physical risks of encouraging unhealthy sexual behaviours with multiple life-time partners, I could go on about how creating a child outside of a committed marriage is detrimental to all parties involved, I could go on about how all these women having abortions aren’t necessarily poor, and that if they carried their child to term their children wouldn’t necessarily end up starving. All these “what if’s” and “maybe’s” situations used by the “pro-choice” political spectrum doesn’t change the FACT that when two people, a male and a female, have sex, they are risking a pregnancy. All this doesn’t change the FACT that they become parents the moment their child is conceived. Who cares what barbaric people did before us? Why should we use their horrific practices of infanticide to justify allowing abortion in today’s culture? How novel it would be if we actually placed a value on the family and building up the family instead of tearing it apart? What right do we have to decide who lives and who dies based on convenience. Seriously, it’s not a choice we should have to make. Did you create yourself? No? Why then can you decide to uncreate others?

      • princessjasmine45

        love it!

    • nursecathy123cat

      I sleep just fine knowing that I contribute regularly to one of the best social service agencies in Texas, Lutheran Social Services of the South. They help not only children, but their families too.
      If you look and ask, you will find many, many similar organizations and individuals helping families. And this is without the help of the government.

    • mamatoone

      Let me ask….in the original story what part of pro life PAGANS did you miss?

  • Raised on Wiccian beliefs

    What’s more harmful? Birthing an unwanted fetus who isn’t sentient yet, or living with regret for the rest of your life? The second. I would think it was wrong if the fetus was born into a child then murdered, but if it’s still in the womb then it’s the mother’s choice.

    The energy you displace in the world will come back to you, thrice. What kind of energy do you want?

    • princessjasmine45

      What’s worse?
      Having the child?
      Or killing it before it has the chance at a life
      And then regretting your abortion for the rest of your life?
      I’m not a big believer in “energies” and “auras” and all that other stuff, (forgive me but I’m a perpetual skeptic) but in principle, I’d think that having the child would be the better.
      One would guess that giving life rather than taking it would help to create a more “positive energy”.

      I even asked a former client of mine who claims to be a “white witch”
      Taking a like or even wishing ill on others is some pretty bad “displaced energy”

    • sarah5775

      So its acceptable to kill a baby two seconds before birth but not acceptable to kill the same baby two seconds after birth? Just moving a few inches makes all the difference? What if its halfway out of the mother? Is it half= ok to kill?

  • Jason K

    “.Why is abortion considered anything less than surgery” —- Maybe because the degree of difficulty in performing an abortion is next to zero. Currently the death rate is about .0006%. By comparison a woman is 10x more likely to die giving birth to the child in the immaculate hospital environment that abortion clinics are allegedly missing. If you support the legislation on moral grounds fine, but to pretend this legislation was passed through in effort to make things safer for the women is downright preposterous.

    • princessjasmine45

      And you’re stats are from?

  • Carlo Razzeto

    I’m “pro-life and pro-choice” is pseudo-intellectual nonsense. Anyone with a brain knows you can’t be good.

  • Lee

    Maybe those Voodoo people completely don’t know Planned Parenthood is getting Double the funding through Obamacare and the NDAA……And now they need fundraisers??
    This is an Epic Fail on Steroids

  • Frankie Addiego

    Devil’s advocate: she should do it in Berkeley.

  • Kevin Cooney

    Same old clap trap from planned parenthood, as ancient as the hills’ when they resort to witch craft. Hope to see all these nuts locked up and done for murder , and if Texas has still the death penalty executed and put on the receiving end on what they have been dishing out one day soon!

    • princessjasmine45

      Kevin, while I realize that your heart is in the right place,
      We can’t sink to their level.
      Trust me, nothing makes me angrier than these people who think that they have a right to violate the body of a developing human,

      But

      We have to counter their vicious callous and self serving ways with love, education and options.
      An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

      • Kevin Cooney

        Hi,Princess , it shows what an evil enemy we are up against, Satin has them by evoking his name , how disparate there cause is becoming and flying their true colours’

  • Liz Litts

    Oh please –get a life people! This sounds like something out of Jr high–and I am sorry to insult the jr highers. But then, judging for what I have see of these clowns that wear tampons in their ears and run around screaming like a bunch of banshees–I don’t think they have matured beyond the sandbox.

  • ThePaganProLifer

    “an’ harm ye none, do what thou wilt.’

  • BernardTheBard

    This is messed up in so many ways.

  • Emma

    Abortion is not murder. Forcing a woman to give birth can literally be murder, if not physical murder, then psychological murder. A fetus is not a child by any definition. If you want to truly be pro-life, work for health care for mothers (and fathers), children, and seniors. Work for improved education, jobs, maintenance of roads and bridges. Forcing women to give birth against their will and then dropping your concern after the baby is born into a cold, impoverished world is NOT pro-life, it is the antithesis of pro-life.

    • nursecathy123cat

      Emma, your first sentence sums up the huge divide between pro- and anti-abortion thought. If an embryo is not a living being, when does it become one? When the heart starts beating? When the baby, still in utero, reacts to music, light, painful sfimuli? Regardless of the world into which it will be born, that little person deserves to be born.

  • DAltmen

    really, let her sell as many as she can cause he’s going to the healthy-ist man on earth (and she’ll just look really dumb!!!)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poppet

  • jamar.washington

    I didn’t see anything staying that she is Wiccan, only that she is a “witch”.