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Raped while on a business trip, my husband and I chose life

Last January, I was traveling on business, staying in a little hotel in a college town.  I like to think I’m usually more aware of my surroundings, but it was so snowy and windy that I wouldn’t have heard his footsteps even if he had he been stomping.  It happened so fast.  I got the door open, turned around to close it, and he was there – a huge man.  My first instinct wasn’t fear, just confusion.  In an instant, he punched me in the face.  I don’t remember being dragged from the room, but I was found in the stairwell.  I don’t know why – maybe I was trying to go for help.

The rape kit came back negative for HIV, gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis, herpes, and dozens of other things I’d never heard of.  God is gracious.

The following month, I was scheduled to work on a cruise ship.  Struck with dysentery on day two and not getting better with antibiotics, I was taken to what passes for a hospital when we docked in Cartagena, Colombia.  Concerned about intestinal obstruction, I was given an ultrasound.   And we saw the pea – my son.  Happy Valentine’s Day.

Back on the ship, I told the doctors an abbreviated version of my story, which resulted in me being quarantined.  Suicide watch?  In danger of a psychotic break that will have me running naked across the shuffleboard courts?  Who knows.  What I know is that I spent the next week listening to a team of very well meaning doctors and nurses console me with how “easy” it would be to “take care of it” – to kill the child.  To start over.  Easy???

There were a lot of things discussed over scratchy, tearful transatlantic phone calls home that week, but the possibility of “taking care of it” never came off my lips.  Or my husband’s.

When I told him I was pregnant, he said with his voice calm and steady, “Okay.  Okay . . . all right . . . this is all right.”  I asked him, “What do you MEAN this is all right?”  “I mean we can do this.  We’ll get through this.  It’ll be okay.  And, . . . I love babies.  We’re going to have another baby.  Sweetheart, this is a gift.  This is something wonderful from something terrible.  We can DO this.”

And I began to feel the stirrings of joy for the new life in my womb, blossoming under my heart.  That new love that would grow so fierce it overwhelmed any trepidation or angst.  And my husband was right.  We could do it.

On my last morning aboard the ship, I said to this caring team, “If you ever think about this again, if you ever wonder what happened to me — I had a beautiful baby in October 2014.”   Their reaction . . . , the looks on their faces . . . , the doctor who had pushed abortion more vehemently than the others — she had tears in her eyes.  For the first time, I thought of how God can use this, this nightmare I’d endured.  Use me.

I live in North Carolina.  My OB who delivered my last two children was running in the Republican primary for U.S. Senate.  He talks to people all the time who challenge him with the “What about in cases of rape?” question.  What about them?  My son will have a voice.  Until he can use it, it’s my responsibility – my privilege – to speak for him.  That’s my story.

During my pregnancy, I was in and out of the hospital for a couple of months – more in than out.  I had preeclampsia, high blood pressure and uncontrolled seizures.  It was terrifying at 26 weeks when they admitted me saying they might have to deliver that night – terrifying because I desperately wanted my son to live!  We got past that fear.  I had strict bed rest, but was home.  Every week we made it further was awesome, knowing how glad I’d be once he got here safely in my arms.  Emotionally, I was doing very well.

We were working with a really godly team of doctors.  It’s just a matter of trusting utterly.  This wasn’t new.  I’d felt completely out of control since the assault in January – not that “control” is ever anything but an illusion, but, you know.  8-1/2 months ago the world upended and hadn’t righted since – until my son was born.  It’s not a bad thing.  It keeps me on my knees, keeps me from my arrogant, self reliant “It’s okay, God. I got this” attitude, which I’m so quick to adopt.

Our little boy may have been conceived in violence, but he is a gift from God — a delicious gift that filled the hole in our family that we never realized was there.  He made us complete.

I’m so thankful to have been connected to other mothers who became pregnant by rape as well.  We are survivors.  Not victims.  My son has healed me.

The pressure to abort from the medical community was extremely eye opening to me.  So many times I was told how “simple” it would be and how quickly I could just “get on with my life” once it was over.  It was heartbreaking to have to repeatedly hear it.  Even some friends thought keeping the baby was a mistake – that I wouldn’t be able to handle things emotionally.  Every time we, as rape survivor mothers, share our stories, we are strengthened as we strengthen others. . . .  And who knows what lives might be spared?

Editor’s Note: This was first published at Save the 1 on December 8, 2014, and is reprinted here with permission.

  • Kaitlin

    I can’t read this without tears! Absolutely, beautiful story, its amazing how God works in the lives of his children. Definitely an example of how a mess becomes a message!❤

  • MamaBear

    Not only is this mom amazing, but so is her husband. May God continue to bless this family and use them to encourage others to choose life.

    • Richard Loveday

      AMEN!

    • Gray Panther

      Choose life, yes, but it doesn’t just stop there. Do they also make a solemn pact with one another that they are never to burden the child with the knowledge that not only was he or she not sired by what they know is their dad, but sired by a rapist? Saddling said child with such a burden would be really cruel.

      • disqus_DYxcn2gi18

        One of my dear friends is a result of rape. She knows her mom’s whole story, how her dad took her as his own when he married her mom when she was 18 months old. It’s a beautiful story and she sees beauty in it as well. She is one of the most amazing girls you could ever meet.

        • Gray Panther

          I wonder if her parents waited until she was older & they figured she could handle it. I am glad it all worked out in their case but could never be sure it’d be that way for everyone.

          Bottom line, it’s their choice & people should respect whatever decision they make. I just know that I’d be reluctant to divulge such a thing, particularly during the kid’s childhood.

          • Ashley

            I agree I don’t think it should be told to a child. IMO They would be too young to understand something like that. Plus it would probably scare them to know something so bad happened to their mother. But like you said it is up to the parents if they think their child can handle it and when.

          • Anna055

            I’m inclined to think it’s easier for a child if they’ve always known, as long as it’s explained sensitively and at the right level for their age. It would be more shocking to be told when you were older I think, whereas as a child you accept what you are told and take your attitude about it from your parents. If they see it in a positive way then you probably will.

        • Pamela K. Cahoon Laub

          Eventually a child will ask why they don’t look at all like daddy. S/he should know they are greatly loved. S/he shouldn’t have to worry about genetic diseases in her dad’s side of the family. Of course there is no way of knowing what the unwanted sperm donor/rapist’s medical history is. It takes a brave couple to love and keep a child conceived by rape, but it can be done – especially with God’s help.

      • CatoYounger

        Yeah, you tell ’em!

      • bondsbw

        “This is proof that we love you. Everyone was telling us that you did not matter, but we knew better and your awesome life is proof that we were right.”

        • Bren

          You made my eyes tear up. Beautiful.

        • Jennifer

          That’s perfect.

      • Holly Sarrazine

        I know a boy who has always been fully aware that his mom choose abortion. The abortion was botched and that is why he is missing limbs and he’s an incredible youth. A loving couple adopted him. I think it depends on how your parents raise you.

        • Just call me Ang

          Yeah, my parents took me to the zoo, skating, the circus, and played lots of board games. That made up for telling a kindergartener she was a product of rape.

          • Holly Sarrazine

            I’m sorry you came into the world by an act of violence, but I’m glad someone valued your life enough to give you life.

          • Just call me Ang

            Oh Holly, I’m good! I’ve been molested and beaten, raped, and other horrifying things. I’ve been able to witness, strengthen, and uplift people. So I do have strong opinions of course. :)

          • Cathy Nelson Reinert

            I agree. Little minds cannot comprehend, nor should they. I’m glad your with us Just call me ang. <3

          • Just call me Ang

            Awwww….ty <3 :*

          • Jennifer

            Good Christ Aug, what the heck kind of creeps were you around??

          • Just call me Ang

            Lol! It was the hand I was dealt with, I guess. Even though I currently deal with PTSD, I still have been given the opportunity to uplift people. I have a deeper understanding and compassion for people that have gone through traumatic events. The suffering people go through is harder than people comprehend and last for years.

          • Jennifer

            Many hugs and honor to you, my dear.

          • Debbie LaLonde Smith

            Have walked the same road. Was not the result of rape but had the rest..You internalize until you realize you are worthy of love and life. I love life and you are right…you are more compassionate and empathetic with others who have a hard time with life experiences. Hugs my friend..Learning love and forgiveness is the key…to loving yourself

          • Some Guy

            shut up. no you haven’t.

            i can read your words. i can read through the lines. you just want attention. god damn you and your mother for falsely stating your were raped.

            i hope god has you raped violently, and soon. you deserve it.

          • Just call me Ang

            Lol. Honey, I’ve been through more trauma than your words could ever do to me. Nice comment though, you can tell you have a good soul! :)

          • Just call me Ang

            And just for the record, I’m not complaining about my life. :) Just that in my opinion, I don’t agree you lay that kind of burden on a child. :)

          • Ang, I’ve been reading through all your replies. Initially, I wasn’t sure if you were just trolling or what. Though I do believe I personally would ultimately tell my child they were the product of a rape – only after much prayer and deliberation over many years – I agree with you a thousand percent that I would NEVER – EVER – tell a young child such a thing. Never. How on earth could a parent think a young child could be able to process such a thing. Prayers up for you that your life would continue to be a testimony of God’s power.

            My own testimony is such that I, too, was the victim of the sin of someone else at a very young age. I didn’t know what was happening. I just knew that it made me feel very dirty. Dirt that couldn’t be removed. And it was damaging. Though I didn’t understand to what degree at the time.

            But then I experienced sin of my own. How could I do such things? How could I possibly open the door to my own soul and allow evil to drive me? And so I was also stained by sin of my own choosing. And I had a dilemma on my hands. I was a victim of sin. Yet also a sinner. And the weight of it all was beyond my ability to carry. And when I could carry it no longer I cried out to the ONE who was willing to take it. And everything changed. From the inside out. Though I still continue to battle the awful flesh that surrounds me – Jesus is LORD. He gave me a new heart that loathes my own flesh. And He gave me a new Spirit. And your testimony reminded me of that fact. So thank you.

            My heart aches for you and anyone like you who has had to endure the evils of man. But I rejoice that the Lord is able to carry the weight for you. Stay strong. Your story is powerful.

            It has great power to help others. And I’m sure you have much wisdom from your experiences which can be used to help so many. So stay encouraged and keep on loving people. God is Love. And love is why He did what He did – to save us.

          • Just call me Ang

            May I have a moment to reply appropriately? I was really touched by that. Thank you.

          • Just call me Ang

            I have never shared my story over the internet, nor did I plan to this time. I was so put out with people judging and having such strong opinions even though they had never experienced anything traumatic themselves. I never actually thought anybody would think I wasn’t telling the truth. I can see why, how much can one person really have happen to them? It was the hand I was dealt with I guess. To tell you the truth, I was once one of those awful people that judged other people. Even though I HAD gone through horrible circumstances. I thought, since I got ‘over it’, I didn’t understand how other people couldn’t. I would say you have to move on. You have to be strong and leave it behind. Never considered everyone is different, people handle everything differently. The truth was, I never ‘got over it’, I just repressed it. Then one day an event triggered my PTSD, that I didnt even know I had. My body went out of control. Panic and anxiety attacks out of no where and no matter what I did, it wouldn’t stop. It was so out of my control, I considered at one point getting a service dog. I would wake up having anxiety attacks. It was so awful. With Jesus, faith, therapy, professional medical support, I’m doing so much better. I will always love and support anyone with a traumatic event, and love them unconditionally. Depression, anxiety, ptsd, and other mental Illnesses are real chemical imbalances. It changes you on the inside, your heart, your mind, your soul and then effects a person physically. Through all this, I held on to these verses, Romans 8:28
            And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.
            Joshua 1:9
            Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous. Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the Lord your God will be with you wherever you go.”
            Jeremiah 29:11
            For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
            These are the verses I have held onto.
            You were talking about sin, yes we all sin, if we didn’t we would be Jesus. I think the difference is we are sorry, we have a conscience, or the Holy Spirit telling us we are wrong. We confess and are sorry. I’m reminded of this quote, I can’t brag about my love for God, because I fail him daily. But I can brag about his love for me, his love never fails. He loves us all, psalm 34:15 The LORD is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit. I love him. He IS NEAR to me always. He is near to ALL the broken hearted and victims of traumatic events. I am so happy this woman and her family decided to do what they did. I will always pray for them. I will pray for them to also tell their child when the time is right. I will pray for the victims who couldn’t or didn’t make that choice this courageous woman in this story made. I pray, healing and love will find them. Thank you for your encouraging words. You are the best. :) ❤️

          • Jackie Delgado

            I would like to add that Jennifer (the author) never intended to share her story either and was hesitant when approached, still battling panic attacks and anxiety among other things. This hasn’t been easy for anyone in the family. That the worst trauma of her life would be doubted never occurred to any of us but the article had to leave out some specifics for safety reasons. I think the only thing that pulled her out of a dark spiral was the baby. That’s why she was willing to share. Just trying to show another way. That’s IT. No political statement or condemning other women. These comments make me so angry because so many people are so mean and just don’t get it. I’m not supposed to be on message boards but I can’t just say nothing. Just stop being jerks if you’re being a jerk. Not you, Ang. T y for prayers.

          • Just call me Ang

            I really encourage anyone going through an type of trauma to see a ptsd specialist. It is a VERY real issue and not very talked about. Ty you Jackie. I hope she reads my comment. I hope everything works gets better! ❤️

          • bodica

            Somehow this has become ‘all about Ang.’ Perhaps Ang would write his/her own article so we can comment without distraction.

        • gondodeb

          I don’t believe in hiding the truth. I may not tell the child until they were older, 18, but they would be told. I am not one for secrets and deceptions. I also know that kids that find out through gossip later on from someone other than parents would find it harder than if they were told up front. My opinion, we all have one.

          • Just call me Ang

            I think I could have handled it ‘later’.

      • playingwithplato

        Rape is a crime among many. You speak of burden, but a burden of questions may be greater on a child. Or a burden of lies. Sired? The woman isn’t a prize winning race horse or a Labrador, she’s a woman that was a victim of a sex crime.

      • Micah Unice

        Lying to your children, regardless of their age, is just as cruel. If they ensure the child is loved, knowing the truth about his conception will pose no emotional threat. I speak from experience here: always opt for the truth when it comes to children, even when the truth is harsh.

        • Just call me Ang

          That is your opinion. I was told ‘the truth’ and it is more than any child should have to carry. The horrible emotional scars are there for a life time.

        • Jennifer

          Not at five, Micah. That’s the kind of truth you just don’t rush to tell a poor child.

      • Terry Russell

        Not as cruel as depriving the child of life in the first place.

      • David Rogerson

        The only cruel thing for that child would be to lie. The earlier the parents share the truth the better. The child will never feel the hurt of being betrayed when they discover the truth, and they will. When brought up with true Christian values the child will learn the extraordinary love their mother and father have for them, which mimics the love God has for his children. Only true children of God will understand this.

        • Just call me Ang

          Honey, all I have is my faith. Don’t EVER tell a person how they should hurt. You are the reason people turn away from Christianity. Only a person with Gods love would show compassion.

        • Just call me Ang

          I’m honestly appalled a ‘man of God’, would say such a things. Where is the compassion, love, understanding? Where is the nonjudgmental unconditional love you are supposed to show the lost and hurting? What is the worst thing that had happened to you that you can judge like that? That you can yes, through all that, I praised him in the storm, I never questioned, never had a weak moment. Only a ‘true child of God’ knows my butt, I hope you stand before him one day and repeat those words. Because that is NOT the God I worship. That is not what MY God would say to the lost and hurting.

          • David Rogerson

            Ang, I have seamed to have struck a nerve, I apologize this was not my intention. I was not trying to judge anybody or tell them how they shall feel. The God I worship is the God of the Bible, the inerrant Word of God, and in his Word He commands all mankind to tell the truth and the whole truth, anything less is a lie the worst of all sins and the beginning of sin. These aren’t my words these are His teachings, I have seen “good” people think that they are smarter than God and not tell the truth because in there minds the truth might be too unpleasant, so what they are saying is they don’t truly trust God, for His Word tells us “the truth shall set you free”. That being said the truth should always be told in a loving manor. Their are people that can be brutally honest and use the truth to hurt other people, and that in no way is honoring God.

            Ang, nobody knows your heart like God, nobody knows your pain like God, I am sorry you feel lost and hurting, and I urge you to stop trying to find relief from family or friends or blogs but diligently read God’s Word and prey and ask Him to give you a peace that surpasses all understanding.

          • Just call me Ang

            Yeah…. It did strike a nerve, because as I was going through all that, I had ‘Christians’ question my faith and one went so far to tell me my ‘beautiful spirit’ was gone. It makes me upset how not understanding and uncompassionate people who claim to love God are. I can stand before you here today and I am here and the only reason I am here is because of God. Yes, it still maybe a tender spot for me to talk about. Only in the aspect of people judging other people when they have no clue what is happening on the inside of them. Nobody would think of telling someone the reason you have cancer is because you have little faith. Traumatic events are cancer to ones mind and soul. It also takes time, healing, medical support, as well as emotional and mental healing. Thank you though for your apologies, very much appreciated.

          • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

            What about the verse “love covers a multitude of sins” and why do you interpret waiting for the right time to speak as lying?

          • justwantedtocomment

            It seems that somehow you have gotten in your mind that this is a scriptural issue. It’s not entirely.
            God cannot lie. He spent centuries with the knowledge that he was going to eventually send his son to earth. He gave hints and prophecies but never fully revealed the truth about the future until the time was right. And that act of not telling was not a lie… because he cannot lie.
            Not telling a child anything is not the same thing as telling them a lie. Some truths require maturity to process, and I think this is one of those truths.
            If the cat is out of the bag and others know, it might need addressed sooner than might otherwise be ideal so the child doesn’t learn it from someone else. It’s a loving act to want to control when and how a child learns information that might be devastating to them. If something leads them to ask before the parent believes they are ready to handle the truth, a non-answer such as, “That’s a big question I’ll have to answer at another time,” is appropriate.
            Someone commented above that eventually a child of such circumstances is going to wonder why they don’t ‘look like daddy’. Unless race is an issue, that really doesn’t make sense to me. Many people don’t favor one or either parent. I don’t look a thing like my dad, really, but I did pass his blue-eye gene on to my child (mine are brown).

          • Just call me Ang

            ? That was really really cool. ❤️ I loved that response.

        • David as I read through your comments I was compelled to respond. I used to be part of a group of people who were basically a cult. Not a David Koreshian type of cult but a cult nonetheless. It was just a small home church group. They were a “we love the bible more than anyone else” type of cult.

          They were the only ones they “knew of” who were saved and that most nobody else really loved the Word of God. The scriptures, they preached, were all they needed for life and godliness.

          You said, “The God I worship is the God of the Bible, the inerrant Word of God.”

          I hope you will not get mad at me for saying it but your words came off as completely arrogant and prideful. You mention the “inerrant Word of God” as if it justifies telling a 5 year old child that they were the product of a rape. So that one who revealed such truth to a 5 year old could walk away thinking, “yeh I did good. They know the truth now.” Without thinking of what such a “truth” could possibly do to a 5 year old child.

          Yet God encouraged us through His inerrant Word to be “simple concerning evil.” ( Rom. 16:19 )

          How much more for a 5 year old! Or a 6, 7, or 8 year old!

          How spiritually immature could such a person be to do such a thing! Because though one claims to love the inerrant Word of God it was the Spirit of God which birthed those words. So what about the Spirit?

          I love you brother and I hope you’ll receive my words as they are intended. We can’t see such things when we’re embroiled in them. I didn’t for a long time. We can’t be so hung up on the “truth” that we completely miss it.

          I absolutely positively love the truth. I love the Word of God. I love the bible. I lock arms with you on all that. But, again, there is a significant factor in loving the Scriptures that all too often people completely miss. And that is the fact that it takes the Holy Spirit to discern all those words on all those pages. And the Holy Spirit is what helps us to know what to say and when to say it.

          And how to say it.

          You said, “The only cruel thing for that child would be to lie. The earlier the parents share the truth the better.”

          How is it “lying” to wait? It’s not lying to listen for the Holy Spirit to tell you when the right time is to tell a young child such a horrifying thing. It’s not wrong to seek discernment for when a child is mature enough to handle such a life changing truth.

          So if you’re willing to hear what I’m saying then stay encouraged in the Word of God. The truth and doctrine certainly matter. But the Holy Spirit is what we have to seek to give us proper understanding of Spiritual words ( Col. 1:9 ).

          And please know that I edited this comment probably 20 times and prayed before I sent it. And I prayed that I would not come off as arrogant. Because I certainly do not want to come off like a jerk. I have nothing but love for you.

          Can’t wait to meet you on that day and rejoice together because of the Love of God.

          • David Rogerson

            Brother Ben, 1st I must thank you for bringing to light that I am coming off arrogant,I will try to remember this when choosing my words in the future.

            I don’t mean to be arrogant , I am a to the point type of talker,which to some people sounds arrogant.

            I didn’t give any pacific age,I just said to tell the truth at the” earliest possible time” leaving the time to the discretion to the parent.

            The point I was trying to get across to Ang, was never to lie to a child ,referring to her comment “to make a pact to never tell the child” and at that point I wasn’t aware of her history.

            What prompt me to reply to her is I have seen the kind of hurt and betrayal one feels, that comes out of family secrets, once they come to light.

            Thanks for your concern, but I don’t belong to a cult, I in fact do believe that you must interpret Bible though the Holy Spirit.

            I also look forward to meeting you one day.

          • Just call me Ang

            I don’t remember saying that, maybe I did….sorry old age is catching up with me. ;) I did appreciate the apology and yes, I think I
            Could have handled the ‘truth’ much ‘layer’ on in life. I do think very highly of you for being open to someone else’s advice/opinion. It does take a big person to be receptive instead of offended. :) I think a lot of people don’t understand traumatic events because it has never happened to them or someone they love. So, thank you for being so receptive. :)

          • David Rogerson

            Ang,after reviewing, I realize that my 1st post wasn’t to you it was to Gary Panther. When you replied I just a asumed it was you that made the statement ” everyone agree to make a pact to never tell the child” , so every thing I said initially was directed to him not you, but I am glad I have had the chance to to share with you.God Bless.

        • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

          I disagree totally. Why would you think a young child even needs to know? First of all, they don’t need to know the facts of life until they approach puberty. It doesn’t matter how much love you think you show, or how much you reassure them they are special, by making it a point to tell them that they were conceived in violence rather than in love, you are making an issue of it, you are pointing out that they are different in a way that could make them feel dirty. They can’t reason or philosophize like you can or mentally and emotionally separate themselves from the circumstances of their conception. They haven’t figured out their identities when they are young. The natural result of dumping that information on a young child is to make them feel ashamed.

          • David Rogerson

            I made a mistakereplying to ang, my reply was ment to go to Gary panther on his reply. The way these blogs are laid out is very confusing, I hope this clears things up.

      • prolifemama

        @Gray Panther – Not telling their son about his biological father wouldn’t allow him to pray for him. Keeping his mother’s rape a secret wouldn’t allow this child to realize, to understand his parents’ courage and sacrifice and overwhelming generosity.

        They will know the time to tell, and exactly what to tell him. He will grow up knowing that he is a priceless, unrepeatable gift. And our world will be blessed with a most credible, and valiant prolife witness.

  • Prettylady!

    This is how saints are made! What heros! What future saints these two! I am so astounded, thanks for reprinting this, Lila. Killing an innocent human life is NEVER justified!

    That rapist needs to be brought to justice but he also needs prayers.

    • that1irishmate

      but even if she DID happen to get an abortion, would you then blame her? What she does is her business, I’m just curious on the subject if people would demonize her or blame her for for getting one, especially after what happened to her.

      • Prettylady!

        Consider this irishmate:

        A woman has sex with her husband one evening, then goes out to get some bread, and is raped in the parking lot. She becomes pregnant with a baby. The baby is born, a blood test is taken, and, horror of horrors, the child in NOT her husbands. The baby’s father is the rapists

        Is it ok for her to kill her child rather than have it remind her of this horrible rape, once the child has been born, Irish?

        • whydoibother

          apples and oranges.

          • Prettylady!

            Elaborate please

        • rebecca

          I call total bunk on this hogwash story. She had a rape kit, the hospital would of given her plan B. She need not get pregnant at all. Same with any other rape victim.

          • Rachel

            Why would you assume she would take the pill?

          • Mitzi

            Are you shaming her for keeping her baby?

          • Mariah Mullen

            Plan B does not prevent pregnancy, it just kills the unborn child (or “fertilized egg”) at a very young age. Learn your facts.

          • that1irishmate

            Thats kinda the point. Pay attention to the context, mariah.

          • Sara Jo Armfield

            Mariah, it can take anywhere from 30 minutes (If the man is suberbly healthy) to 5 days for sperm to reach an egg. There is a huge possibility that she wasn’t even pregnant when she got her rape kit done yet, ergo, not killing a very young child if she takes a day after pill. It literally blows my mind how many people don’t know that. Learn YOUR facts. She probably wasn’t pregnant yet when she got her rape kit done, unless he was like the healthiest guy in the world and was getting some at least once a day. He probably wasn’t though, because he resorted to rape.

          • Jackie Delgado

            Yes let’s discredit the whole story because the plan b pill wasn’t mentioned. Dummy. We don’t know if she chose not to take it or if she did and it failed. That DOES happen, I’ve seen it. Way to be supportive of a brave woman Rebecca!

          • Didi Wellington

            Within 72 hours, Plan B works, it is very rare that it does not. If someone thinks they might be pregnant (raped, condom breaks, too young etc.) please prevent right away, do not wait. Raped or not, please act accordingly in a timely manner. Do not wait and kill a developing baby. I will not call the baby a fetus, once it is developing, it is a baby.

          • Martha Genn

            Agree That if you think you could become pregnant and don’t / can’t use Plan B right away the best course of action is prevention not abortion and do not use abortion as a main form of birth control to many women do and yes I believe that should be criminal.

          • jamie

            This woman had a beautiful healthy child and wanted to show everyone there is still light at the end of the road no matter how dark or how long it may be nevertheless there is light. And she chose to show her child that light. Im so happy for her children to have parents that love them unconditional :) its just sad theres debate about situations not her own. I on the other hand am so happy for her and her family. May god bless your family with love peace and joy.

          • Jackie Delgado

            Beautiful. And kudos for being one of the few who actually got the intent of the article. Geez people.

          • Jackie Delgado

            Are you aware that there are medications that render Plan B, ineffective?
            I didn’t think so.
            This article is just a snapshot. It doesn’t tell the whole story. Stop assuming and judging.

          • Didi Wellington

            Recent research indicates that both doses can be taken at the same time up to 120 hours after unprotected sex.
            The pills are more effective the sooner they are taken, so take 2 Plan B
            pills at the same time as soon as possible after unprotected
            intercourse.

          • Flayer

            But she might be aborting her husband’s child…and her’s in either case.

          • Didi Wellington

            Obamacare will cover anyone in need.

          • Jackie Delgado

            ? What does that have to do with anything?

          • Prettylady!

            Hi Rebecca, do you know someone that has had an abortion?

          • Prettylady!

            There are infants that grow into adults that were conceived in rape. Did you know that? They know they were conceived in rape. Some are actively pro life.

            Are you saying their lives are not worth as much as your child’s life? Is their life dirtier to you, more illigitemant, a scandel, that your child’s? It’s as if you are condemning these people like racists condemn jews. ” we don’t want you you dirty child of rape!”

            Is that the values you are trying to pass to your children Rebecca?

          • Heather Visser

            There probably would have been a discussion about Plan B, but a doctor could not force that medication on her. It is always the patient’s choice on any medication they may be prescribed.
            If a doctor “slipped” her Plan B, that opens up major litigation and the possibility of a loss of license for that physician.

          • Jackie Delgado

            Absolutely. Hospitals don’t give Plan B. They can only offer it.

          • Jackie Delgado

            How can 30 people agree with this? I’m so tired of the Plan B argument. With what we have read about this woman’s faith do we really think she would accept Plan B? Whether or not any of us agree is irrelevant. The fact is that many pro lifers do consider it an abortifactant. No wonder women are so hesitant to report rape. This woman has been accused of lying several times just on this thread and none of you even know her!

        • that1irishmate

          What I asked was a yes or no question but okay, lets dive in:
          *A woman has sex with her husband one evening, then goes out to get some bread, and is raped in the parking lot.*
          >>Really? This happens all in one night? Okay
          *The baby is born, a blood test is taken, and, horror of horrors, the child in NOT her husbands. The baby’s father is the rapists*
          >>So instead of taking a morning after pill, or going to a doctor, or taking birth control (unless they were trying to conceive) she decides to burden herself with this? And this is my fault that SHE choose to do that? How is this my fault again?
          *Is it ok for her to kill her child rather than have it remind her of this horrible rape, once the child has been born, Irish?*
          really? those are the only two options? What happened to adoption? Is that gone already? hmmmm….
          I think its funny how you pick and choose what you want to believe, and what you want to control. I applaud this woman for being brave enough for going through with raising this child, however, I just find it hard for anyone to condemn someone for getting an abortion, especially if they were raped.
          Honestly, its NOT my business, Im a MAN not a WOMAN. If anyone should make the decision upon whether to keep a child or not should be left to the WOMAN. Not some guy with a bible in his hand, not the Government, not some greedy cooperation setting the laws; the individual who will burden this child for the next 9 months should make the decision, and no one else. After that, it is up to the parents (or the mother if single) to decide what happens next.

          • Prettylady!

            Are you close to someone that has had an abortion, mate?

          • that1irishmate

            Yes, because of her dad. What? you gonna hate her and send her nasty messages for doing the right thing? You SAY your prolife, but when time goes on and that child you save grows older your all against that individual getting a minimum wage, you advocate, support or passively tolerate economic policies which oppress the poor, minorities or any other marginalized group, you then oppose that person if he/she turns out gay, and you support and advocate and participate in war. Also, lemme guess, a majority of you on this site are also support of capital punishment, arent you? You see, thats the problem, your not pro life, your pro birth. But once that child is born and requires the attention and need to survive, chances are all of you will turn your back when that child is grown into a grown adult who will probably wind up being poor, broke and will eventually have health problems that you would NOT be willing to pay through your taxes for the well being of him or your fellow americans. Your fake, just like your religion, just like your belief system and “values”, its all just a bunch of fake garbage. Bunch of hypocrites you all are, thats as real as you people get.

          • that1irishmate

            Continued…

            So in other words, you can’t be pro-life and have conservative viewpoints on anything else. Got it.

            You’ve
            bought into this caricature that conservatives/Republicans don’t care
            about the poor, don’t care about gun safety, or gender equality, or
            about immigrants, or are bloodthirsty warmongers who want to hang
            murderers without a trial.

            I encourage you to see the debates
            surrounding these issues as two sides who are trying to achieve the same
            goal. For example, I believe both liberals and conservatives care
            about the poor and want to do what will most help them. The issue is
            how do we do that? Liberals believe that higher tax rates on the
            wealthy and more programs will help. Conservatives see these solutions
            as more damaging to the poor; rather, the conservative will say that a
            better alternative is to increase opportunity by encouraging business
            growth. Perhaps this means a lower tax rate for businesses so that they
            have more money with which to hire. Perhaps not. But when the liberal
            re-interprets this as “tax cuts for the rich,” it poisons the well and
            stifles debate (what if we phrase it “tax cuts for the job-creators?).
            It appears you’ve bought into that same poisoning. “Pro-lifers” truly
            want healthcare for all (and healthcare is available – the issue is who
            pays for it, not is it available). But we disagree as to what will be
            most beneficial to the healthcare system and those taking advantage of
            it as a whole. “Pro-lifers” do want less gun violence. But we disagree
            as to what best reduces that violence. “Pro-lifers” do care for
            immigrants. But we disagree as to whether amnesty/open borders is
            better for the economy, which impacts the poor directly. “Pro-lifers”
            do care about the poor. But we disagree that raising the minimum wage
            helps them, when evidence suggests the opposite. You may disagree with
            that evidence, and that’s fine. Let’s debate it. But don’t
            conclude/assume that “pro-lifers” are simply against poor people because
            they don’t favor a minimum wage increase; maybe their position is meant
            to help the poor, albeit by different means than you may agree with.
            “Pro-lifers” do hate war – at least the consistent ones. I agree with
            you that a warmongering “kill ’em all” attitude is inappropriate and not
            Christ-like. But in a fallen world, some of us see war as a necessary
            evil to protect life; it would have been the opposite of pro-life not to
            have gotten involved in WWII, and to have let Hitler continue in his
            ways. So it’s utterly simplistic and almost irresponsible to suggest
            that “You cannot support, advocate for, or participate in war.”

            I
            firmly believe that liberals truly want to help the poor. If only
            liberals believed the same thing about conservatives, maybe we’d be able
            to work together to get more done. I think your essay grossly
            oversimplifies the debates around these issues, and falsely assumes
            things about the conservative viewpoint that aren’t true. That sort of
            attitude is part of the problem, in that it keeps us from working
            together by demonizing one side.

            (On a side note, I don’t buy the
            stat that Christians only give 3-4% to charity. For one thing, even if
            it’s true it still doesn’t warrant government intervention; perhaps it
            warrants greater need for preaching, or some other solution. But just
            because someone refuses to be charitable with their money doesn’t make
            it right or charitable to take it from them by force. Second, I doubt
            that stat could accurately reflect the time and resources Christians
            devote to ministries such as food banks and clothing drives operated by
            churches. Third, Christians will not give more if the economy is bad/if
            they don’t have as much to give; a bigger government will not make
            Christians wealthier to the point that they could afford to give 10%.
            It will do the opposite. If you don’t think that’s the case, fine.
            Let’s debate it. But don’t naively assume that government is the
            solution to the church’s supposed shortcomings.)

          • PJ4

            That’s an awful lot of internal dialogue there mate.

            So which two of your multiple personalities is having this debate?

          • MamaBear

            Pro-life includes the whole spectrum politically, socially, and religiously. What we have in common is that we oppose killing unborn babies.

          • Yes, because of her dad.

            I’m sorry to hear that. Was she coerced into aborting? Michigan state senator Judy Emmons has introduced legislation called Senate Bill No. 1156 that imposes criminal penalties on those who try to coerce a woman to abort. It includes prosecution for threats, harassment, stalking, loss of financial support and loss of employment done to force someone to undergo an abortion.

            We need to get behind this and similarly measures across the country. Because while pro-abortion groups like Planned Parenthood talk a lot about offering “choice,” too often, those choices are made by an abuser. Together, we can help make unwanted abortions a thing of the past, and this is great place to get started. http://www.senatorjudyemmons.com/

          • that1irishmate

            *I’m sorry to hear that. Was she coerced into aborting?*
            >>…are you asking did she need any convincing aborting a child that was FORCED upon her by her own FATHER in order to get an abortion? What do you think?

            *Michigan state senator Judy Emmons has introduced legislation called
            Senate Bill No. 1156 that imposes criminal penalties on those who try to
            coerce a woman to abort. It includes prosecution for threats,
            harassment, stalking, loss of financial support and loss of employment
            done to force someone to undergo an abortion.*
            >>You mean to say that there has been people who have been “forced” to get an abortion? Really? When? When has that EVER happened, because, I would really like to read about it other than some propaganda piece done by the “Blaze/FoxNews/youngCons”. I have NEVER heard of ANY scenario where someone was FORCED to have an abortion.

            *We need to get behind this and similarl measures across the country.*
            >>For starts, what the hell is similarl? And secondly, no we really don’t. i am not a religious, right wingnut, who is hellbent on forcing people to NOT have abortions. It is THEIR CHOICE! Why are you for this? So that when they give it up for adoption, that child (

            *Because while pro-abortion groups like Planned Parenthood talk a lot
            about offering “choice,” too often, those choices are made by an
            abuser.*
            >>You mean the very person whose carrying a child that she may not want and COULD be a burden? because if your PRO life then that means you want that child to have the following: healthcare, raise in minimum wages, equal disruption of wealth (the end of poverty), education, etc etc. You see my point? You cannot call yourself PROLIFE if your PRO CAPITALPUNISHMENT! It would be an oxymoron in itself right?

            *Together, we can help make unwanted abortions a thing of the past, and this is great place to get started. http://www.senatorjudyemmons.c…*
            >>You really want to get rid of abortions? Okay, we CAN do this, its easy. Education and contraceptives. You educate children and make contraceptives available to teens (condoms, birthcontrol, etc) and I SWEAR to you, abortion clincs will be closed down left AND right. Take colorado for an example: http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/10/health/colorado-teen-pregnancy/
            ^That is only in colorado, other places around that states are doing it as well, we could be seeing teen pregnancy lowered. You do not have to vote in another right wing nut job baby boomer that the GOP/AIPAC has to offer, you just have to educate AND provide the bare minimum to make sure that stuff like this gets lowered.

          • You mean to say that there has been people who have been “forced” to get an abortion?

            Yes, that’s what I mean to say.

            Really?

            Yes, really.

            I have NEVER heard of ANY scenario where someone was FORCED to have an abortion.

            Well you’re certainly about to:

            Joseph Minerd did some forcing–he was convicted of using homemade explosives to murder his pregnant ex-girlfriend, Deana Mitts, after she refused to have an abortion. Also killed in the blast was Mitts’ 3 year-old daughter. http://www.apnewsarchive.com/2002/Pa-Men-Gets-Life-For-Firebombings/id-154f7d5446a665b04600c8d1c231ae7a

            Shamari Jenkins was also murdered after she refused her boyfriend’s demands for an abortion. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2338710/Man-begged-friend-kill-girlfriend-refused-abortion.html

            Hawa Gabbidon died the same way. http://www.wbtv.com/story/19014776/murdered

            Tanner Hopkins’ girlfriend is alive, but that’s just because her boyfriend wasn’t much of a marksman. He opened on her in drive-by shooting following her clinic trip refusal. http://www.whio.com//news/news/local/pregnant-woman-shot-babys-father/nZyFF/

            Tasha Rossett’s boyfriend preferred to cut his way out of an unwanted pregnancy; the 23 year-old woman was found dead with a slashed throat after she argued against aborting their child.
            http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/surrey-man-convicted-in-2005-murder-of-pregnant-lover-1.1357452

            Leah Diver found herself on the wrong side of her boyfriend’s knife too. The reason? You guessed it–refusal to abort. She did survive, although the multiple stab wounds probably didn’t make it easy. http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/08/19/teen_held_in_pregnant_womans_stabbing/

            Nathanael Plourde beat his pregnant girlfriend to death as a result of her reluctance to abort. http://www.canada.com/cityguides/toronto/info/story.html?id=16c6d45c-7ef1-4068-bd8f-65838bbd9132

            Katelyn Kampf was tied up and shoved in the back of a car for her trip to the clinic.http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/09/18/maine-parents-charged-with-kidnapping-pregnant-daughter/

            And Shaniesha Forbes was smothered with a blanket and then set on fire after refusing to exercise her “right to choose.” http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/maine-man-accused-killing-shaniesha-forbes-thought-pregnant-article-1.1345779

            Keep in mind that these cases are likely just the tip of the iceberg since we don’t know how many more women just give up and agree to an abortion because they knew they’ll face violence if they refuse. We also don’t know how many are subject to financial pressure, loss of their home, or threats against friends and family members.

            Of course, pro-abortion violence doesn’t just come in the form of murder–rape is popular past time as well. Specifically, child rapists use abortion to cover-up their crimes, thus allowing them to continue. It worked for Gary Cross–he got Planned Parenthood to refer his 13 year-old step-daughter for a late-term abortion, thus hiding the evidence of his crimes. When she got back, the abuse resumed. http://archive.lifenews.com/state3469.html

            Timothy Smith took a similar approach: http://liveactionnews.org/lawsuit-planned-parenthood-sent-teen-back-to-sex-abuser/
            As did John Blanks Jr.: http://www.lifenews.com/2010/12/08/state-5726//2007/0

            Dito Adam Gault: http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2007/08/02/charges_added_in_alleged_abduction/

            Denise Fairbanks alleged in her lawsuit against Planned Parenthood that she was specifically told clinic staff that she was being brought in by her incestuous father. While they didn’t report what she said, they did abort her child and thus help cover up the crime. http://www.lifenews.com/2012/09/21/planned-parenthood-forced-to-settle-suit-failed-to-report-child-rape/

            You can also find a list of 50 additional cases here: http://www.childpredators.com/cases/

            While it’s true that the abortion industry does offer choices, abusive men seem to be the ones who are making them. Further, the policies that you support are helping to make sure that keeps happening.

            You really want to get rid of abortions? Okay, we CAN do this, its easy. Education and contraceptives..”

            And exactly how does that stop abusive men from using coerced abortion to dodge responsibility and cover up rape?

          • that1irishmate

            First off, everything you listed was not the government or the cooperation that have forced (if you remember what you wrote down earlier “…. It includes prosecution for threats, harassment, stalking, loss of
            financial support and loss of employment done to force someone to
            undergo an abortion…”) You made it seem that a company can force a woman to get an abortion, or she would be terminated from her job. Protecting women FROM MEN, yes, but thats not the case in this article. The main QUESTION that I asked from the get-go was:
            “but even if she DID happen to get an abortion, would you then blame her?
            What she does is her business, I’m just curious on the subject if
            people would demonize her or blame her for for getting one, especially
            after what happened to her.”
            The question isn’t if woman are threaten to get abortions by their boyfriends, the question was if a woman was RAPED, would she be DEMONIZED for it? And considering that most of you clearly want to enforce a law that wouldn’t allow her to GET an abortion SHOWS WHY THIS IS TWISTED AS FUCK! And you and your chronies can insult the hell out of me as much as you want, I can handle myself, but when it comes down the reasons and the logic behind why abortion should be in the hands of NOT MEN but in the hands of woman, well…lets face it, I’m not going to waste my time on something that is NOT my business to begin with. If you AND your lady want a child, no body (government/Cooperation/Religion) is putting a gun to your head and making you say otherwise.

          • You made it seem that a company can force a woman to get an abortion

            I’m sure that happens too, but no, I was referring to how women and girls are coerced into having abortions by abusive men, either because they don’t want to pay child support or because they want to hide the evidence of rape. Your friends in the abortion industry are quite happy to profit from this–what are you doing to stop them?

            …but even if she DID happen to get an abortion, would you then blame her?

            Seeing the rapist brought to justice and making sure that she knows there are better alternatives would be my priorities–casting post-abortion “blame” usually isn’t on my to-do list.

            The question isn’t if woman are threaten to get abortions by their boyfriends…

            It was for all of the women that I listed.

            And considering that most of you clearly want to enforce a law that
            wouldn’t allow her to GET an abortion SHOWS WHY THIS IS TWISTED AS FUCK!

            Below, you’ll find information about a woman named Rebecca Kiessling. She’s an attorney and public speaker; she’s also the daughter of a rape victim. The only reason she’s alive today is because when she was conceived, the law in Michigan didn’t allow abortions in cases of rape. You’re arguing that it should have been legal to kill her because of her father’s crime, right?
            http://www.rebeccakiessling.com/index.html

            I can handle myself…

            Yes, I’ve seen how you “handle” women that you disagree with–you’re quite the gentleman.

          • Don’t forget people like William Costello in Colorado, who after being arrested for assaulting a Pro-Life activist was found to be responsible for the serial rapes of many women. He supported abortion so he could feel better about raping women. Because if they could abort the children he forced on them, no harm done, right?

          • PJ4

            Sad part is femenazis would defend this guy because he was a pro abort
            That’s how sick pro abort liberals are
            You’re forgiven every transgression as long as you believe in a woman’s right to kill her baby
            *cough* Bill Clinton
            *cough*

          • Martha Genn

            No a persons body is sacred FORCING anything on a person male or female is wrong. Rape is Criminal, Forced abortions are Criminal, Forcing a woman to NOT abort is Criminal. You see abortion as criminal however you forget that the pregnancy DEPENDS on the MOTHER’S body to SURVIVE if you figure out how to remove an embryo from a womans body and raise it without her EVERY TIME and charge her NOTHING then sure get rid of abortion. However as long as a pregnancy relies on a womans body and yes puts her health at risk ( It does EVERY TIME ) than the woman should have the BURDEN of CHOICE not any one else.

          • PJ4

            No one has the right to kill another human being
            Someone else’s life is not a choice
            You say a person’s body is sacred?
            Then why are you ok with that person’s body being removed from his/her mother’s womb piece by piece, placed in a biohazard bag and then dumped behind the abortion mill?
            Obviously, to you, not everyone’s body is sacred

            And guess what:
            Even if the child could be removed safely and transferred to an artificial womb, you people still want a dead baby–because that’s how sick and depraved your side is

            http://liveactionnews.org/wow-pro-aborts-really-really-want-the-baby-to-die/#disqus_thread

            Ps. Your cap locks is sticking, better have it looked at

          • Martha Genn

            No a dead baby is not what pro choice is about if you take out a human mother and replace her with an artificial womb then the points MOST pro choicers have are gone and for them ( myself at least ) the discussion becomes mute. If there is no human womb then the mothers life is not at risk, there is no need to debate if a woman wants the child as it has already been removed from the issue, The child ( no matter the so called ” emotional choice ” of the mother ) can then be claimed by whomever wants it. Removing most cases of neglect, abuse, and or murder of a child that is in fact already out of the womb by women who were forced to carry a bunch of dividing cells that extreme pro lifers would like to call a baby. If in fact you are that pro life then you are already a murderer. Have you eaten meat? That was a life. Killed a bug? Been vaccinated ( Yea viruses ARE alive so you just taught your own body to kill ) ? And oh by the way your own body’s immune system can and does abort both the cells as they not a part of you but a parasite but actual babies who could have survived outside the womb so immunosuppressants should be the order of the extreme pro life movement or are you now going to tell me what constitutes life? Viable or otherwise as you claim dividing cells are life you have already assigned life to everything including plants, water and air so if you wish to stop the senseless killing of life start with you.

          • PJ4

            No a dead baby is not what pro choice is about if you take out a human mother and replace her with an artificial womb then the points MOST pro choicers have are gone and for them ( myself at least ) the discussion becomes mute

            You can say that, but your talking heads disagree with you.

            Removing most cases of neglect, abuse, and or murder of a child that is in fact already out of the womb by women who were forced to carry a bunch of dividing cells that extreme pro lifers would like to call a baby.

            Ok… um… If you’re going to carry on a conversation with me, I will require coherent sentences from you– not run-ons.

            I’m not sure what you’re trying to convey here but my guess is that you believe extreme pro lifers kidnap women, impregnate them and the strap them to a bed for 9 months. Then afterwards, we leave the baby with her and take off.

            Is that about right?

            If in fact you are that pro life then you are already a murderer.

            Um…no. I’ve never killed another human

            But it looks like you’re spiraling down hill from incoherence to delusional.

            Have you eaten meat? That was a life

            *eye roll*

            Ok, so now you’re competing with some other pro aborts for who’s the dumbest of them all.

            Gawd.

            The topic is human life dear.. if you can’t keep up and stick to the topic at hand then I’m really not sure what to tell you.

            Killed a bug? Been vaccinated ( Yea viruses ARE alive so you just taught your own body to kill ) ?

            Leave it the pro abort dehumanizer to compare the human child in the womb to a bug.

            Congratulations! You get the callous award.

            And oh by the way your own body’s immune system can and does abort both the cells as they not a part of you but a parasite but actual babies who could have survived outside the womb so immunosuppressants should be the order of the extreme pro life movement or are you now going to tell me what constitutes life?

            WTF are you even trying to say here??

            Both the cells???What?

            Are you attempting to call the child in the womb a parasite?

            Honestly, I have no idea what you’re saying here…run-on sentences do not make sense.

            Viable or otherwise as you claim dividing cells are life you have already assigned life to everything including plants, water and air so if you wish to stop the senseless killing of life start with you.

            Um… no.
            But I think it’s time for your meds.
            You’re completely incoherent.

            Yikes, I think I’m actually dumber from having read your… whatever it was that you’ve tried posting.

          • Martha Genn

            We as a species are in fact both an animal and more accurately a mammal of the genus of homosapiens, still an animal we as a species would like to believe we are better than animals to such a degree that criminalizing a woman for choosing what she does with her own body is somehow the only solution you see so yes if you wish to claim partially developed cells dividing in a womans body is a crime than any cells developing within the human body must by your logic be protected, and as an extension of your own train of logic then any life must be protected as we are supposed to be so far above the food chain and the animal kingdom then by your logic taken to the appropriate level any food we consume must be created without harming any life. I am not trying to say don’t hate abortion I am saying there must be a better answer. Continue to prosecute rapists and pedofiles, continue to prosecute human traffickers and instead of ranting about abortion is murder start offering these women real help and support based on what is actually needed. Planned parenthood does not just do abortions they offer birth control counseling and options they do d and c’s after a miscarriage and they do pregnancy testing not every woman going in to one of these places are there for an abortion and the ones who are should not have an already impossible decision made that much worse instead ask ” why? ” maybe you can have a better chance of changing a few minds about it if you ask those simple words and then offer them phone numbers for help based on their reasons instead of screaming murder. Yes its a hard decision but stop trying to criminalize this choice and start proactively helping to find a logical solution instead of a flat law that you personally believe should apply to all women each woman and every case is its own set of problems. Stop fighting and start helping that’s the only way these issues will be resolved

          • PJ4

            We as a species are in fact both an animal and more accurately a mammal of the genus of homosapiens, still an animal we as a species would like to believe we are better than animals to such a degree that criminalizing a woman for choosing what she does with her own body is somehow the only solution you see so yes if you wish to claim removing a group of cells dividing in a womans body is a crime than any cells developing within the human body must by your logic be protected, and as an extension of your own train of logic then any life must be protected as we are supposed to be so far above the food chain and the animal kingdom.

            Again.. it’s very difficult to figure what you’re trying to say here.

            Can you actually try to avoid run-ons?

            What if someone where to arbitrarily come up with a law claiming that unless someone can write a coherent sentence they will not be considered a person? You’d be SOL sister.

            Apparently, sentence structure isn’t the only place where you are completely remiss.

            You also need a remedial course in logic and biology.

            Let me start you out:

            Have you ever picked up a text on embryology?

            I didn’t think so…

            If you did, you’d know that:

            This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual […] A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).</i. — Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

            You'd also understand that we remain a bunch of cells for maybe 2 weeks.

            As early as 4 weeks fetal life 6 weeks gestation, we already have a beating heart, arms, legs and our brain starts to develop

            http://americanpregnancy.org/while-pregnant/fetal-development/

            So tell me this genius? How does a clump of cells have a beating heart (week 4)? How does a clump of cells have 10 little fingers and 10 little toes (week 6)? How does a clump of cells suck his/her have a face(week 10) How does a clump of cells make a fist(week 11)?

            If the child in the womb is just a clump of cells then guess what.. we all are?

            Of what do you think you’re made? We are all made up of clumps of cells—your incoherent diatribe notwithstanding.

            *eye roll*

            Also by your logic ( taken to the appropriate level ) any food we consume must be created without harming any life

            Next, you’ve missed the logic train by a long shot.
            No, logic does not tell us that we need to extend rights to plants and animals and bacteria just because we want the right to protect our own young.

            Science tell us that human life begins at conception.
            Logic tell us that this life deserves protection and every chance it can get to survive.

            If the child dies by natural causes so be it, but it’s a very different from being actively killed by one’s parent.

            Do you understand the difference between natural death vs intentional killing?

            Do you understand the difference between animals and us?

            If you did then you’d understand that our offspring should be extended the same right as we have to life.

            *note: I’m not opposed to protecting plants and animals, so don’t get me wrong. I just think humans come first–since well, we are the highest on the food chain and our the only species so far capable of reasonable thought.

            I am not trying to say don’t hate abortion; I am saying there must be a better answer.

            Why aren’t you trying to say that?

            If what you say is correct and abortion is merely the removal of cells then why wouldn’t your next advice be to love abortion?

            You’re not being logical here.

            Continue to prosecute rapists and pedofiles, continue to prosecute human traffickers and instead of ranting about abortion is murder start offering these women real help and support based on what is actually needed.

            Have you heard anyone talking about not to prosecuting rapists and pedophiles and human traffikers?

            If not, then why even bring it up? It’s a complete non sequitor.

            Or are you trying to say that because we prosecute a certain type of criminal we cannot prosecute a different kind of criminal?

            Again, it’s very difficult to make sense of anything your’e saying. .. I’m really trying my best here.

            Planned parenthood does not just do abortions they offer birth control counseling and options, they do d and c’s after a miscarriage and they do pregnancy testing.

            Funny you bring that up… as the nation’s abortion numbers continue to fall, PP’s abortions continue to rise.

            http://www.lifenews.com/2014/02/03/as-abortion-rate-continues-to-fall-planned-parenthoods-abortion-numbers-rise/

            Why is that?

            Why did their preventative services drop?

            Why did their cancer screenings drop?

            Why is it that they are so complicit in child statutory rape?

            Not every woman going in to one of these places are there for an abortion and the ones who are should not have an already impossible decision made that much worse, instead ask ” why?

            No one said that every woman going to PP is there for an abortion, so why even bring that up?

            But if you’re going there to kill your baby, we should make it as hard as possible.

            maybe you will have a better chance of changing a few minds about it if you ask those simple words and then offer them phone numbers for help based on their reasons instead of screaming murder.

            Complete straw man.

            No one here is screaming murder.

            We are already trying to change hearts.

            We already offer alternatives and simple words of kindness.

            But thanks for the very unneeded advice.

            Yes its a hard decision but stop trying to criminalize this choice and start proactively helping to find a logical solution instead of a flat law that you personally believe should apply to all women each woman and every case is its own set of problems.

            Ever thought that we can do both?

            *eye roll*

            Look, if we didn’t have laws against rape it wouldn’t be very easy to stop would it?

            Same goes for killing your baby.

            It’s really that simple.

            Yes, we are changing hearts, but the law is needed as well.

            Stop fighting and start helping that’s the only way these issues will be resolved for everyone’s benefit.

            That’s awfully judgey of you. How do you know I haven’t or am not already?
            WTF are you doing?

          • Martha Genn

            If you can not read and or comprehend what I say then why are you bothering to reply? If you can then why are making such a big deal out of it? Your issues about my sentence structure appear to overwhelm your response to me. I never said I make decisions for every woman who chooses abortion, I have in every reply said a Doctor however you appear to be pro euthanasia and sure you should make those decisions for ME instead of a medical professional ( just an observation from your comments about me personally ). As for your other issues If you’re so against abortion don’t choose to have one that’s your body and your choice. However a woman is not a piece of property and forcing a woman to carry an embryo to term is trying to force her into a type of slavery; slavery to an as yet unbreathing fetus. She would by your decision ” law ” for ALL women have to risk her life [ If you have the training then you know the inherent risks of pregnancy, gestation and childbirth both to the fetus who does not have the brain function to choose and the woman who does ]. As to the rest of your arguments again I point out if it can live outside of the mothers body with or without life support abortion should be illegal yes however if it depends on the so called mother then it is not a life. arguing with you is pointless you are to blind and pro birth [ not pro life ] that you can’t see the reality of the nazi propaganda you are spewing. Nazi’s had concentration camps, but also ordered their own people to produce children by whatever means necessary including but not limited to rape of women. Forcing a woman to carry a fetus she does not want is taking away her right to decide what happens inside and too her own body [ AKA slavery ]. Making her incur medical bills she did not ask for and possibly subsequent costs for raising an unwanted child.

          • PJ4

            If you can not read and or comprehend what I say then why are you bothering to reply?

            I respond to whatever I can decipher
            Someone has to address your idiocy.

            If you can then why are making such a big deal out of it?

            Well it’s a bit tiring trying to figure out what you’re trying to say
            It’s slightly disconcerting to be dialoguing with someone who appears to have the writing skills of a slower than average 3rd grader.
            But, it is what it is..

            Your issues about my sentence structure appear to overwhelm your response to me.

            That’s because your lack of sentence structure overwhelms whatever message you’re trying to convey

            I never said I make decisions for every woman who chooses abortion

            I never said you did either so why even bring it up?

            I have in every reply said a Doctor

            Have you?

            however you appear to be pro euthanasia and sure you should make those decisions for ME instead of a medical professional ( just an observation from your comments about me personally )

            Um, no…I’m not pro euthanasia
            How you came to that bizarre conclusion is beyond me.
            I was making a point the about arbitrary makers of what you people call personhood
            You not comprehending that just proves my point more efficaciously

            It’s worthy to note that I never said I’d make that decision for you
            I simply said “what if someone were to”–that someone could very well have been a doctor

            As for your other issues If you’re so against abortion don’t choose to have one that’s your body and your choice.

            That’s like saying if you’re against slavery, don’t own a slave.
            See how ridiculous it sounds?

            However a woman is not a piece of property and forcing a woman to carry an embryo to term is trying to force her into a type of slavery;

            No one said that a woman is a piece of property…
            But likewise, the child in her womb is also not a piece of property to be taken out of her piece by tiny piece, placed on a biohazard bag and dumped be find the abortion mill.

            Notice how you feel the need to dehumanize the child in the womb?

            And no one is forcing anyone.
            Again…when was the last time you heard of someone tying a pregnant woman down for 9 months until she gives birth?

            slavery to an as yet unbreathing fetus.

            So, you need to breathing in order to be considered a real person?
            Interesting… who made this law?

            She would by your decision ” law ” for ALL women have to risk her life

            Straw manning again.
            There is no pro life law that doesn’t make exception for the life of the mother.
            You’re not very logical but when it comes to logical fallacies you’re ahead of the class

            If you have the training then you know the inherent risks of pregnancy, gestation and childbirth both to the fetus who does not have the brain function to choose and the woman who does

            Not every pregnancy carries inherent risks
            And the child in the womb is known to have brain function as early as the 18th week of fetal life

            As to the rest of your arguments again I point out if it can live outside of the mothers body with or without life support abortion should be illegal yes however if it depends on the so called mother then it is not a life.

            So people dependent on life support don’t deserve to live?
            Really??
            Not a life? Are you serious?
            If the child in the womb is not a life, then how does he or she grow?
            Stop being so anti-science
            It does nothing for your cause

            arguing with you is pointless
            Then why are you doing it?

          • Nordog6561

            You’re illiterate.

            You’re fatuous.

            You’re an imbecile.

            You’re a ghoul.

          • PJ4

            In short, she’s the epitome of the pro abort :-)

          • Nordog6561

            I think I’ve worn you down. You no longer object to my use of “ghoul”.

          • PJ4

            Well, sometimes I do :-)

            You haven’t worn me down, yet.

          • PJ4

            This Martha Gen chick isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed
            Now she’s posting pregnancy stats to herself
            Lol
            Smh
            I wonder if she realizes that in countries where abortion is illegal, the MMR is the extremely low–like Ireland and Malta
            Maybe when the US becomes pro life again, the MMR will go down

          • Jackie Delgado

            When is this part of the discussion going to “mute”? I’m rather looking forward to it.

          • PJ4

            You mean to say that there has been people who have been “forced” to get an abortion? Really? When? When has that EVER happened, because, I would really like to read about it other than some propaganda piece done by the “Blaze/FoxNews/youngCons”. I have NEVER heard of ANY scenario where someone was FORCED to have an abortion.

            From a feminist website that is pro abortion:

            http://www.publiceye.org/ark/reproductive-justice/articles/forced-abortions-america.php

            Happy?

            Education and contraceptives. You educate children and make contraceptives available to teens (condoms, birthcontrol, etc) and I SWEAR to you, abortion clincs will be closed down left AND right.

            So, you’d be fine with a ban on abortion if we made contraceptives such as IUD’s free?
            Really?

          • that1irishmate

            “Happy?”
            >>Are you kidding me? Have you READ the full report? All these are woman you have had their boyfriends force them. NONE OF THESE ARE ABORTION CLINICS! All of these were a case of someones boyfriend “ENFORCING” an abortion. When you talk about “ENFORCED ABORTIONS”, I’m talking about government/cooperation. Not internal affairs. I’m sorry if wasn’t clear, I thought the context would have done the job but apparently not.

            “So, you’d be fine with a ban on abortion if we made contraceptives such as IUD’s free?
            Really?”
            >>I’m sorry, whats wrong with that? You still enjoy forcing woman to have children that their not ready for? Or do you like putting your money where your mouth is and start paying for the childs/teenager/adult/elder care? When a woman is READY to have a child, then she can take the necessary precaution towards getting a child. As I’ve asked before, what is wrong with that?

          • PJ4

            Are you kidding me?

            Yet another reason you seem to have the intellect of a 10 year old…. you cannot even recognize sarcasm.

            Interesting

            Have you READ the full report?

            Yes, you seemed to be completely unaware (not surprising as most people of your ilk are clueless) that forced abortion was going on. So I had to inform you.

            NONE OF THESE ARE ABORTION CLINICS!

            This should make you happy:

            http://www.boston.com/news/local/connecticut/articles/2007/08/02/charges_added_in_alleged_abduction/
            http://www.texasmonthly.com/story/pregnant-teen-sues-parents-pushing-abortion
            http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/pinal/2014/05/21/pinal-sheriff-seeks-reviews-planned-parenthood-claim/9405287/

            http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/41505

            All inside your precious abortion mills.

            When you talk about “ENFORCED ABORTIONS”, I’m talking about government/cooperation

            Let’s analyze this sentence for a moment shall we?

            When you talk about Now that could mean me specifically or all you people

            Ok fine… go that..

            “ENFORCED ABORTIONS”

            Interesting… we weren’t talking about enforced abortions.. we were talking about forced abortions. Do you understand at the difference between force and enforce?

            You’re limited vocabulary is pitiful.

            Alright, last part of your sentence:

            I’m talking about government/cooperation

            Switching persons in the middle of the same sentence makes for incoherency. What are they teaching you in that school of yours? Oh I get it, you’re in public school–that explains everything

            At any rate, what you’ve unintentionally said is that when I say something, you mean something different.

            This makes no sense what so ever.

            So, your sentence makes no sense and this is just the beginning of your decent into utter incoherency

            Just to be clear, that1irishmate , I was certainly not speaking of government forced abortion. I’m sorry if that wasn’t clear, I thought the context would have done the job but apparently not.

            I’m sorry, whats wrong with that?

            What’s wrong with what? I mean really, wtf are you even talking about? You’re just babbling at this point and you’ve failed to keep the reader’s attention. You’re entire paragraph is ridiculous, but I will attempt to salvage what I can and make as proper a response as possible. Yikes!

            You still enjoy forcing woman to have children that their not ready for?

            And your deeper decadency into incoherency and madness.

            No, I don’t enjoy forcing women to have children they’re (not their.. really? You don’t know the difference between there, their and they’re????) for which they are not ready.

            You know, just like you don’t enjoy forcing death on the child in the womb–limb by limb.

            Or do you like putting your money where your mouth is and start paying for the childs/teenager/adult/elder care

            Been there done that, wtf have you done? Nothing but make some white noise on the internet down in your mother’s basement.

            When a woman is READY to have a child, then she can take the necessary precaution towards getting a child

            WTF is your point??? I mean really?? DUH! Necessary precautions towards getting a child? You do realize you make absolutely no sense, right?

            Ok, if you want to prevent something… that’s when you take necessary precautions. Understand?

            As I’ve asked before, what is wrong with that?

            Um.. as long as she’s not killing or hurting another human… nothing.

            Wow. You were doing much better when 2 of your multiple personalities were conversing with each other. You don’t communicate well with others….outside of yourself.

          • PJ4

            You mean the very person whose carrying a child that she may not want and COULD be a burden? because if your PRO life then that means you want that child to have the following: healthcare, raise in minimum wages, equal disruption of wealth (the end of poverty), education, etc etc. You see my point? You cannot call yourself PRO LIFE if your PRO CAPITAL PUNISHMENT! It would be an oxymoron in itself right?

            Contrariwise it would follow that you cannot call yourself pro abortion and be against capital punishment. It would be an oxymoron ipso facto, right?

          • Griffonn

            This person makes the usual mistake of forgetting that things have costs, that every choice has a trade-off.

            Therefore, this person assumes that if, say, you don’t share his or her vision of redistributing wealth as a means of ending poverty, it means you don’t care about the well-being of the child. The flaws in this argument become apparent when you tally up all the real costs and benefits, instead of merely cherry-picking costs and benefits as they exist in the hypothetical world of the Utopia-that-could-be-if-only (as opposed to the real world, where massive wealth redistribution invariably comes with massive costs – starting with, but not ending with, corruption).

          • PJ4

            yes, I quite agree
            Let’s ask Russia how that wealth redistribution worked out for them.

          • that1irishmate

            *This person makes the usual mistake of forgetting that things have costs, that every choice has a trade-off.*
            >>I just got done explaining the costs of forcing a human being into the world on a long term scale…..stop being lazy.
            “Therefore, this person assumes that if, say, you don’t share his or her
            vision of redistributing wealth as a means of ending poverty, it means
            you don’t care about the well-being of the child.”
            >>You honestly do not have to share in my “vision” you just have to see the long term end game, stop being short sighted please.
            “The flaws in this argument become apparent when you tally up all the
            real costs and benefits, instead of merely cherry-picking costs and
            benefits as they exist in the hypothetical world of the
            Utopia-that-could-be-if-only (as opposed to the real world, where
            massive wealth redistribution invariably comes with massive costs –
            starting with, but not ending with, corruption).”
            >>Thats great, but unless if you plan on giving your sources that prove otherwise, this is nothing more than just a troll comment meant to just give rise instead of thought.

          • Griffonn

            Now name the costs on the other side – the costs of your preferred policy.

            I also gotta ask: if forcing “unwanted people” into the world is “costly”, who gets to decide which people are “unwanted”? And who gets to decide the question of who gets to decide?

            Can I decide welfare recipients are “unwanted” and therefore kill them?

            Can Swiss or Belgian people decide that sick and elderly and depressed people are “unwanted” and therefore kill them?

          • that1irishmate

            *Contrariwise it would follow that you cannot call yourself pro abortion
            and be against capital punishment. It would be an oxymoron ipso facto,
            right?*
            >>No its literally not, unless if your one of those scientifically illiterate (evolution, big bang, climate change, etc.) that cannot define the difference between an actual PERSON vs FETUS. A person is someone who can exist OUTSIDE the womb and survive. A fetus cannot, a fetus is not a fully developed human being. Once again, if your a religious nut job, please just let this one go because your not going to get me to change my mind on a SCIENTIFIC FACT!

          • PJ4

            No its literally not, unless if your one of those scientifically illiterate (evolution, big bang, climate change, etc.) that cannot define the difference between an actual PERSON vs FETUS.

            Actually literally it does. You’re obviously one of backwards scientific illiterates and an intellectual fraud who doesn’t understand the basic principles of evolution and is so bigoted that he has to dehumanize babies in the womb in order to justify killing them.

            I bet you believe the earth is flat too.

            A person is someone who can exist OUTSIDE the womb and survive.

            http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/person

            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/person

            http://www.latin-dictionary.net/definition/20558/fetus-fetus

            Sorry the dictionary and science disagrees with you.
            Yikes. You’re really not the sharpset tool in the shed are you?
            That’s ok… i prefer my pro aborts as dim as you… you make it easy for me to do my job.
            In fact, you do my job for me, so I thank you very kindly.

            A fetus cannot, a fetus is not a fully developed human being.

            Ok genius (just in case you missed it, i’m being facetious by calling you a genius as I’d be surprised if you’re IQ was above an 80) explain:

            Traditional ways of classifying catalog animals according to their adult structure. But, as J. T. Bonner (1965)pointed out, this is a very artificial method, because what we consider an individual is usually just a brief slice of its life cycle. When we consider a dog, for instance, we usually picture an adult. But the dog is a “dog” from the moment of fertilization of a dog egg by a dog sperm. It remains a dog even as a senescent dying hound. Therefore, the dog is actually the entire life cycle of the animal, from fertilization through death. –Dr. Scott Gilbert.

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK10044/

            *note: I expect you to tap dance around this like every other pro abort I’ve ever

            encountered

            Once again, if your a religious nut job, please just let this one go because your not going to get me to change my mind on a SCIENTIFIC FACT!

            Once again, if you are religious Left wing nut job (and yes, you are religious because pro aborts only have their feeeeelings and their religious beliefs about fetal development) please just let it go as you will never have science on your side.

            BTW, I have no desire to change your mind–not that you have a mind to change.

            Cheers buddy!

          • MamaBear

            Hilarious that you ignorantly assume all pro-lifers are religious. Some of us are, but others are atheist or agnostic.
            PJ is not religious and is working on a graduate degree in embryology. I strongly suspect her science background is a heck of a lot better than yours.

          • Basset_Hound

            The so called “difference between a PERSON and a….(fill in the blank) is nothing more than a semantic tap dance based on arbitrarily defined criteria. It is designed to separate those who are worthy of protection, and those who can be killed or exploited at will.

            At one time Jews weren’t “persons”
            At one time blacks were defined as partial persons to determine how many representatives a district would get in a legislative body.
            Peter Singer, a “bioethicist” defines already born infants as non-persons because they aren’t self aware. But he says that adult chimps ARE persons.

          • Lilian

            “You really want to get rid of abortions? Okay, we CAN do this, its easy. Education and contraceptives. You educate children and make contraceptives available to teens (condoms, birthcontrol, etc) and I SWEAR to you, abortion clincs will be closed down left AND right. Take colorado for an example…”

            Ah, Colorado. Where Warren Hern does his business. And where Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains awarded the Aurora, CO clinic for having more abortion visits in 2013 than they did in 2012…

            (note the brackets to avoid moderation)

            www [dot] breitbart [dot com] /big-government/2014/07/01/planned-parenthood-gives-colorado-clinic-award-for-exceeding-abortion-visits-of-prior-year/

            And in case you don’t trust the above source, why not hear it from Planned Parenthood?

            www [dot] plannedparenthoodaction [dot org] /elections-politics/blog/setting-record-straight-planned-parenthood-expanding-access-care/

            Nothing like educating adolescents about contraceptives and doing away with the results when conception happens anyway.

          • Prettylady!

            most pro abortionists are close to abortion. They wonder why, when there is so much hype about choice and women’s health that they feel SO BAD about it.

            They get angry. They blame others, they want everyone to tell them that what happened to that person close to them wasn’t evil. That it was ok. That they have control of their life.

            We have all been there in some way Irish. We all have blood on our hands. But eventuall we must all man or woman up and admit the truth. Abortion. Murder. Plain. Simple. Wrong IN ALL CASES!

          • that1irishmate

            *most pro abortionists are close to abortion. They wonder why, when there
            is so much hype about choice and women’s health that they feel SO BAD
            about it.*
            >>Again, that makes NO sense. People who want an abortion are pro abortionists? Hmmm…thats like saying people who do NOT want abortion are almost as if they were ANTI ABORTIONIST. Thank you capt obvious.

            *They get angry. They blame others, they want everyone to tell them that
            what happened to that person close to them wasn’t evil. That it was ok.
            That they have control of their life.*
            >>WHAT THE FUCK? Are you seriously telling me that getting rape is NOT evil?! You really are twisted in the head. Your not from the south, are you?
            *We have all been there in some way Irish. We all have blood on our
            hands. But eventuall we must all man or woman up and admit the truth.
            Abortion. Murder. Plain. Simple. Wrong IN ALL CASES!*
            >>NO its fucking not, You want to see murder? COme on a deployment with me over to the fucking middle east, THATS FUCKING MURDER! This isn’t murder, this is just someone who doesn’t want to give you a choice in your decision. You are a psychopath if you honestly are comparing ABORTION = MURDER. I can assure from personal experience that it is not.

        • minime13

          So a person being raped and becoming pregnant afterward would never think that it would be the rapist?

          This is pretty low, as far as standards go, to use rape in such a way to try to make a point – and imply that women are ignorant in the process.

      • Demonize or blame? No. Mourn the fact that she chose to kill an innocent human being? Yes.

        • that1irishmate

          Thank you JoAnna Wahlund. All I wanted was a yes or no, not a debate. Your the best, have an upvote! :D

          • Prettylady!

            No you don’t like debates do you irish!?!? Debating engages the intellect. Thats impossible for proabortionists because reason is not on the side of abortion, only emotion and slogans.

            Or debate It might lead to a change in mind. And you don’t want that do you? You like the lie that you have been living. That abortion is no big deal, that its good for women that it’s not vile and immoral.

          • Mitzi

            Yes! Yes! Yes!

          • that1irishmate

            Hey, your mum said that last night! :D ….good thing she wont be aborting MY baby ;)

          • Mitzi

            I’m not going to use the foul language I usually would at something like you because I really respect this site. Clearly you have no argument and are just here to get a rise out of people but then again you are a pro abort with nothing better to do. Your pathetic. Get outta here lulz :)

          • that1irishmate

            And clearly you’ve made no contribution to this discussion as well except for “YES! YES! YES!” Just letting you know how it feels when your trolling on someone else conversation that you have no incentive for adding on to the discusion.

          • So apparently this is how progressive, liberal men treat women they disagree with. Tell me, which Tucker Max book is your favorite?

          • PJ4

            Haha, yes Adam, it’s amusing to see the Leftist male wage war against conservative women.

            What do you want to bet he’s the blither who wrote How to Convince a Girl to Get an Abortion?
            Or The 10 Slut Commandments (which they’ve taken down btw)

          • PJ4

            I get it… now I know why you’re a pro abort.

            You wrote this, didn’t you?

            http://www.returnofkings.com/16089/how-to-convince-a-girl-to-get-an-abortion

            From what you’ve spewed over here, this is definitely your writing style.

            Typical

          • that1irishmate

            *No you don’t like debates do you irish!?!? Debating engages the
            intellect. Thats impossible for proabortionists because reason is not on
            the side of abortion, only emotion and slogans.*
            >>you wound me with your words, Prettylady. How is it that I’m avoiding a debate, when down below thats all I have done? Or have you not been paying attention again?
            *Or debate It might lead to a change in mind. And you don’t want that do
            you? You like the lie that you have been living. That abortion is no big
            deal, that its good for women that it’s not vile and immoral.*
            >>No, it still hasn’t changed my mind and honestly I do not know which is illogical, the fact that you would cheer her on for having a rapists child, or the fact you would deem her to be unworthy of any appraise from you if she DID get an abortion. very strange, and very disingenuous.

          • Prettylady!

            I do cheer her for having a rapists baby while psychopaths are telling her she should kill human life to make herself heal from her rape. Talk about illogic.

            Abortion, my friend is murder, it is an evil that can NEVER. Be condoned. Who is being crueler: someone who applauds an evil ar someone that calls it like it is?

            What praise would you have me give a someone who kills her own child?

          • that1irishmate

            *I do cheer her for having a rapists baby while psychopaths are telling
            her she should kill human life to make herself heal from her rape. Talk
            about illogic.*
            >>That is just fucking scary. This is the shit that I am literally talking about, you see nothing wrong with forcing a woman (Oops, I meant…”encouraging”) to have a child that was FORCED upon her, and yet you call those who would NOT call her a murder for GETTING an abortion . THAT IS PSYCHO TALK! What even gives you the right to judge her to begin with if she did get an abortion? who are you? A dead jewish zombie that people worship? Obviously not! Fucking scary you people are.

            *Abortion, my friend is murder, it is an evil that can NEVER. Be
            condoned. Who is being crueler: someone who applauds an evil ar someone
            that calls it like it is?*
            >>What? What is an AR? And you know what is cruel? Not giving her a choice. The child she brings into this world will know that he was conceived out of rape. And yes, even though she has enough empathy to go through with having this child, she is bringing a child into the world that will consistently remind her that it will never be her husbands and if that child EVER FINDS OUT, I’m quite confident its not going to be YOUR TAX DOLLARS that winds up paying for his mental state.

            *What praise would you have me give a someone who kills her own child?*
            >>That kind of praise that knows the difference between “murder” and MERCY! For fuck sakes your forcing people into poverty, and whose going to pay for their well being? And what if the child comes out with birth defects? Is it YOUR tax dollars going to go to them? Obviously not. I implore you to use your reason, and not your emotions.

          • Walter Welborn

            Women that have an abortion are 6 times more prone to committing suicide than those that do not have an abortion. JMJ

          • Cite it or it never happened.

            I hope you have statistics, because I could REALLY use those in debating the pro-abortion crowd.

          • PJ4
          • wellswmn97

            My own daughter????? How’s that………??? A secret abortion that almost killed her. Drunk for 10 years and more than once hearing her say in her drunken state, ” If you knew what I have done you would hate me. I should have died”

          • Lisa L. Rose-Hawkins

            Prayers for your daughter.

          • Ann

            So agree Walter,even in case of rape there are stories of women that have gone through w the abortion and have come to very much regret it.

          • Tracy Campbell

            Yes, that is very true–but it’s still their choice to make, at least in my opinion. My friend chose to get an abortion when she was 18, and she regretted it so much that she had unprotected sex with someone she barely knew in hopes that she would get pregnant again. She did, and the father left her when she was 6 months pregnant and has never met his son.

            It was her choice, and it resulted in an experience for her that she learned from greatly, one which probably helped her become the good mom that she now is.

          • Prettylady!

            Wow. What a story. Why did she feel bad about an abortion? I though abortion was just a simple medical procedure? I never got upset about going to the dentist?

          • Tracy Campbell

            Don’t be ignorant. We get it; you have the view that people who get abortions are horrible, murderous heathens. People who choose to get an abortion aren’t heartless and ignorant, though it may be your opinion that they are. They know the implications of what’s happening, and that they are stopping the formation of a human life. There is still guilt from most that I’ve seen who have made this choice–except from those who use abortion as a form of birth control (which…come on, really people?)

            There’s nothing I can say to convince you to change your opinion, and that’s just fine with me. I’m not out to change people’s views because they aren’t the same as what I think.

          • Prettylady!

            except from those who use abortion as a form of birth control (which…come on, really people?)

            57 million????? What do you think they were using it for? Abortion is the definition of contraception. It prevents the results of sex. Same mindset.

          • Prettylady!

            What do you care what I think of women that get abortion? What has that to do with anything?

            Have you known someone who has had an aboriton?

          • Todd

            How many of those women who were raped are prone to committing suicide because of the rape? Go.

          • Dan Gebhart

            It’s not that we want to punish women with a baby, as some would say. We don’t want to do that. We understand the beauty of life and the fact that nobody has the right to take that away. What a woman who has been impregnated by rape is not people to come around her telling her what she has to do, but comfort her and exclaim that she is becoming stronger than she was when she was raped. We need to make sure EVERY woman sees an ultrasound of her child before ever even considering abortion, because the child, not people, not the government, not doctors, is what ultimately convinces her to choose LIFE. Let there be no confusion, I am EXTREMELY pro-life and I feel abortion should be illegal in ALL cases. An abortion will not erase the memory of rape, and many women are permanently hurt internally from abortions, and experience psychological trauma that can even lead to suicide. Abortion is never the answer. Even if they don’t want to raise the child, many, many people in America are looking to adopt because they can’t conceive. We all have a right to life, and until we violate the rights of others to life, none of us should have it taken from us, especially being torn apart, crushed, and destroyed as a defenseless child in the womb.

          • Kristen

            And if they die giving birth to the rapist’s baby that they didn’t want in the first place but were forced to have, what do you say to their families and the children that they did want, and might be leaving behind?

          • Tina

            Banning abortion violates a woman’s right to control her own body. It’ll never happen, at least not in this life time.

          • Tonia McBride

            Thank you. People act like when a woman is a crisis pregnancy situation, getting rid of the pregnancy fixes the situation, but in most cases, the crisis (rape, molestation, incest, drug abuse, abusive parents, extreme poverty) continues. Abortion is frequently used to cover up evidence of those crimes. If you are raped and get an abortion, you were still raped. You’re just now also the mother of a dead child. How is that better?

          • emma

            I completely agree with you. I am extremely pro-life and cannot stand abortion or the people that try to say it’s okay.

          • NurseJen25

            You must be speaking from experience, Irish….I mean, to have all of those FACTS and to be so confident that you know exactly how this baby will turn out. Were you a product of rape? If not, you may be the one with the mental health problem, love. And in true liberal fashion you know no other intelligeable language than that of obscenities to “get your point across.” Thanks for doing your kind justice….

          • Capiscan

            NurseJen.. .conservatives have abortions, too, you know.

          • Delani

            ‘You’re kind’? I’m sorry ma’am, but unless you have met every liberal on the planet, which I highly doubt, I don’t think you have the necessary knowledge to make that judgement. Unless God walks the earth and hasn’t said anything, I don’t think you have the right to ANY judgement.

          • barb

            Exactly the language I would expect from someone who condones murder

          • that1irishmate

            barb, your fake as f***.

          • Jennifer

            Irish, I totally agree; I feel for her so much and no one has the right to push her. In fact, it made me MAD that her husband was so cheery in the face of her shock and just going, “We’re gonna have a BABY, this is great!” like an imbecile. Ugh!! But please consider the other end of the spectrum: if she’d waited until it was a child to abort it, if that child had organs, limbs, a heart, a brain, a skull..do you know what happens to those things? They’re torn apart. It’s a child, and nothing can justify killing it. Think of it this way: what decides the issue is whether it’s a child. If a raped and abused woman left her baby to die outside, no one would call it her choice, they’d scream in agony for the child. It all comes back to the stage of pregnancy, and yes this woman needs to be treated with as much kindness and gentleness as the child. Hope this helps :)

          • Jenny Bobo

            I find it disheartening that you think because someone has birth defects that their value is less than yours. I know plenty of people who have birth defects that live HAPPY lives. We ALL have some flaw at birth. The Good Lord loves any and ALL of His creations…and that includes you and any baby who hasn’t breathed the same air yet.

          • emma

            Abortion doesn’t get rid of a child and makes you the mother or father of a dead child.

          • Martha Genn

            What if the fetus is not viable ( brain, heart, lungs, etc. not there or misshapen ) and is dead anyway? what if it will live out side the mother for minutes or hours or a few days in horrible agonizing pain? what if it’s a single woman with no family and the baby will be born with severe deformities with NO chance of a normal life and the mother WILL die during delivery? What if the mother and child will both die?

          • Prettylady!

            what if it’s a single woman with no family and the baby will be born with severe deformities with NO chance of a normal life

            Who are you to say what a normal life is? Try this friend. Go to a person with down syndrome and tell her she isn’t normal and should have been put out of her misery. Go to her mother, and tell her that.

            This is the crux of this argument. Look at how you put in all these emotional pleas to me. Single woman, no family.

            There is still the cold hard truth, that abortion takes a human life, AND WORSE an innocent life.

            Your mindset, a mindset of power, not logic. A mindset that says, “Martha is the judge and jury and executioner on what is normal, and healthy. Martha will be the one who puts her convenience over another innocent life. Martha decides who lives and dies.”

            Frankly, although I believe you are saying these things out of ignorance after having been bamboozed by an oversexed, selfish society, you need to grow your mind.

            Ideas matter. Your attitude is the strong will decide if the weak is to live or die. You are playing god.

            An embryo is a human life at an immature stage that is worthy of a chance to grow, to poop in diapers, to make mistakes, to laugh, and yes, to suffer. Suffering is not bad. suffering is how we grow.

            YOU would steal that from someone. How dare you. Change your life. This is Nazi thinking. This is slaver thinking.

          • Martha Genn

            Actually I was suggesting The doctors doing the ultrasound, Who can actually see if the child’s organs were complete and properly forming. Making Stupid illogical assumptions about who a person is referring to when the noun clearly does not imply self is an obviously painful clue as to the level of a person’s intellect and / or education.

          • Prettylady!

            Actually I was suggesting The doctors doing the ultrasound,
            Who can actually see if the child’s organs were complete and properly forming.

            What has this to do with anything?

          • Martha Genn

            The doctors who can actually see if the fetus is viable and make that determination. And I would apologize for the use of the word stupid but ” person of very little intellect and little to no higher brain function ” takes so very long to write and as you are so clearly emotionally unstable I feel an intelligent discussion is beyond your limited comprehension as your rants ( Yes they are clearly rants ) have proven

          • Prettylady!

            Making Stupid illogical assumptions about who a person is referring to when the noun clearly does not imply self is an obviously painful clue as to the level of a person’s intellect and / or education.

            So your response to me is to call me stupid. Weak. Ms. Genn, weak.

          • Martha Genn

            Also if the mothers of any of these unwanted pregnancies that you think should be forced to continue die during childbirth are you going to adopt and raise them? Or do you believe it is society’s job to do that are you willing to foot the bill?

          • Guest

            You think making a baby born with severe deformities suffer is ok, instead of aborting it when it is still an embryo and has absolutely no consciousness, or feeling? I’m not religious, do I don’t care what the buybull says before you start in.

            You sound like you want these babies to suffer. “Suffering is how we grow” Have you ever been hooked up to a ventilator, eeg machine and feeding tube? I have and it’s painful, I can’t even imagine how it would feel for a baby that would have to spend their whole life on 1, unable to move or see anything, I would rather be dead. Then grow up never able to take care of yourself, people always make fun of you, you’re sick all the time, have to take handfuls of meds day after day after day.

            Yeah no thanks, I already have to take meds and spent 4yrs in bed because of epilepsy, I can’t imagine it being any worse. Healthy people have no understanding of that, you’re a naive person, and thankfully don’t make the laws.

          • Guest

            You think making a baby born with severe deformities suffer is ok, instead of aborting it when it is still an embryo and has absolutely no consciousness, or feeling? I’m not religious, so I don’t care what the bible says before you start in.

            You sound like you want these babies to suffer. “Suffering is how we grow” Have you ever been hooked up to a ventilator, eeg machine and feeding tube? I have and it’s painful, I can’t even imagine how it would feel for a baby that would have to spend their whole life on 1, unable to move or see anything, I would rather be dead. Then grow up never able to take care of yourself, people always make fun of you, you’re sick all the time, have to take handfuls of meds day after day after day. Some meds have to be injected, so you have these little puncture holes that swell and get infected, and you have to look for other places to inject yourself. Your arms start looking like you’re a fucking junkie, and people give you weird looks. The infections get worse, so you have to keep taking antibiotics. You build up a resistance to them, then you start breaking out on your face, because the antibiotics cause dermatitis, and then you can’t get rid of that. It’s 1 complication after another after another after another. Plus all the side effects from the other meds, I could go on and on. I don’t even have any deformities, and can function in the world, and my life is miserable enough.

            Yeah no thanks, I already have to take meds and spent 4yrs in bed because of epilepsy, I can’t imagine it being any worse. Healthy people have no understanding of that, you’re a naive person, and thankfully don’t make the laws.

          • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

            But do you wish you were dead now? It sounds like you’ve had a really tough way to go, but you’re still here, so as hard as it is, you must think it’s worth it? Maybe what she means is not that she wants anyone, babies included, to suffer, but that suffering in one form or another is just a fact of life – and on the ‘plus’ side, personal growth can be a by product of suffering. Not that you go looking for it, but at least it is possible for some benefit to come from it. And I hope you find a cure for your health problems.

          • Prettylady!

            What if the fetus is not viable

            Are you viable? Do you rely on other people to live? Your job? Grocery store? A police force? Did you create yourself out of nothing? Are we not in a big womb that is the earth and her atmosphere?

            Maybe you are not viable? Blacks were considered not viable, Jews. You are not talking about rights, you are talking about raw power. Hilter had raw power.

            Power, might, DOES NOT MAKE RIGHT, sister!!!!! But you say, yes it does!

            You seem to hate the small and the different. All an embryo needs is time. Give it to her.

          • Martha Genn

            So force women to carry dead fetuses because abortion is murder?

          • Prettylady!

            So force women to carry dead fetuses because abortion is murder?

            Carry dead fetuses how? where? In a carriage? To the movies. That’s weird. I don’t see where you are going.

            You thoughts are muddled. Maybe your drifting into unviability. You might need to be ‘freed” from your miserable life.

          • Martha Genn

            A baby, or fetus in the womb without primary organs who can not live outside a woman’s body who is already dead or will die at the moment or separation from the mother or with in a very short amount or time directly after the baby is there for DEAD those were the primary abortions I had been referring to when you called me a nazi.

          • prochoice

            someone gets it! I find it relates very similarly to a parasite considering the definition of parasite also describes a fetus: an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host’s expense.

            until the baby can survive on its own outside of the womb, it is by definition just a parasite whether we like that terminology or not. but liking something and accepting the logic of something are different. when you completely remove your emotion, you open the possibility to think solely with logic, and in doing so you would clearly realize that abortion is simply a choice of making the life easier for the person in question. their reasons are none of your business. they can do it because of rape or because abortion is fun. plain and simple though, it will not ever effect you personally, just your emotions. you will not support their baby financially if they have it. you will not be the one to make it lunches and take it to school. you will not be the one who has to go through more than the acceptable measured amount of pain during birth. you will not have to do any of the personal tasks of pregnancy and birth. so your personal opinion, though it may make your god very happy, should have no grounds whatsoever in anothers CHOICE to have an abortion. it is unconstitutional to deny that choice.

            to make it a little clearer, if you want to put your dog down because it is sick or old, and then i protested you for it and prevented you from doing it and said “it is murder to euthanize your dog who will not live a good life!” you would be completely upset with me. you would justify that murder! but how is it different? i mean ignoring the very basic 1 dimensional stuff, how is 1 murder different from another? well the abortion isnt murder, it is termination. so that for starters….. but lets give another example, shall we?

            many of you who are against abortion are also pro-war and pro-military. many anti-abortion folk are republican. but we never ever bother to ask ourselves how many innocent civilian women and children are killed overseas. geez, what if some of them were pregnant! that is so much worse than abortion, isnt it? or is it okay if we cause abortion with bombs? and if so, then why arent women here suicide bombing the abortion clinics? if we are okay with it when people overseas die as a result of bombs, children included, then shouldnt that not sound completely ridiculous to do here? but it does, doesnt it. it does sound completely ridiculous.

            all in all, my point is this: if you have a problem with “murder”, you should have a problem with all murder, not just the ones that make you look self-righteous. second, personal freedoms are personal freedoms. if you wont be paying the 25,000 for her to surrogate and for you to adopt, then your opinion is invalid on what she does with her body because you are not going through her pains.

            end rant.

          • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

            I think there is a significant difference between a parasite, which is unrelated to the host, and a child, which is created by your own dna and the dna of your partner. The end result is also quite different. Parasites do not help perpetuate the species.

          • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

            Martha, It’s not that cut and dried. Do you consider full term newborns viable Any newborn is totally helpless and dependent on its mother for existence for quite a while. With help, babies born as early as 22 weeks have survived. There are those in the medical ethics field who are now promoting the idea that parents should be able to ‘abort’ their child up to 2 years after birth. They say there is no real difference between abortion and infanticide.

          • Martha Genn

            An infant outside the body is NOT dependant on it’s mother and it’s mother’s uterus. Once an infant is outside the human body it was using for it’s life support and development ANYONE can take and raise it it therefore it is no longer a parasite.

          • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

            You are ignoring the points I made. A fetus is not a parasite, although you classify it that way based on the mother supplying nutrition to it. The female body is designed to nurture the fetus (Latin for young child) as it develops. That is not the case with parasites. Why don’t you consider breastfeeding a parasitic activity? That takes some of the mother’s nutrition too. Do you see where your type of reasoning leads? It has lead to calls for infanticide, just as predicted by pro-life people. And as human life is devalued, and categories set up to separate some people (such as the pre-born) from the others, who can defend themselves, the line will move further out. More reasons for murder will become acceptable, as in Nazi Germany. “I notice all the people who are for abortion have already been born.” ~ RR

          • Martha Genn

            A womans body tries to; and quite often succeeds in terminating the parasite growing inside her body from the first second. If a fetus was meant to be there a womans body would not be trying to end it. Allowing people to regulate a woman’s body and her choices is just another way to condone rape and abuse of women. “A woman is ( supply euphemism here ) to make her own decisions and therefore we the men of the world must make these decisions for them.” Do you really believe that by making these arguments you are somehow above being controlled and owned by your own so called logic? This is why we still have rape, this logic that it is not only acceptable but necessary to pass laws, rules, regulations, and tell women what they may and may not do to their own bodies.

          • Martha Genn

            I responded to all your ridiculous points and by definition a fetus is a parasite. Also ever hear of a bottle? Or formula?

          • Martha Genn

            How can it be viable if it’s heart, brain or lungs never formed? If it has no brain functionality with which to control heart beat and or breathing? No heart or undeveloped heart to beat? no lungs to breath??

          • Delani

            Non Viable means dead. Means will not survive. Or did you lose it somewhere during your insulting tirade of a woman who was merely bringing up a situation. Actually, even in the bible, until a child takes a breath, it does not live, which you would know had you actually read all 613 laws of Moses, and not just the Ten Highlights.

          • Prettylady!

            Non Viable means dead

            SO a fetus is dead?

          • Jackie Delgado

            It is actually a widely accepted view that the Old Testament laws of Moses do not apply to Gentile Christians, barring those that Jesus Himself spoke of in His sermons.

          • Delani

            Jesus himself said “I have come not to abolish the laws of the prophets”- Matthew 5:17

          • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

            that doesn’t sound quite right. quote the verse, please.

          • Delani

            non·vi·a·ble
            ˌnänˈvīəbəl/
            adjective
            1.
            not able to develop, grow, or survive.
            “nonviable embryos”
            2.
            not practical or workable.

          • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

            I asked you to quote the verse in the Bible that you referred to. / Your definition “not able to develop, grow, or survive” fits any life at any time that is cut off from a source of nutrition.

          • Prettylady!

            Wha?

          • jane Brown

            According to Websters Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language, viability of a fetus means having reached such a stage of development as to be capable of living, under normal conditions, outside the uterus. It is the same for all races and religions and has nothing to do with grocery stores.

          • Prettylady!

            This viability junk is rationalizing. Lets have sex for recreation, and kill the human life that naturally comes from sex. So word smiths of the pro death culture comes up with this viability stuff.

            Lenin and Stalin, and all tyrants came up with his own “viability” clause: Counterrevolutionary, enemy of the people, enemy of the state. Its the powerful, i.e. adults, rationalizing immorality: the killing of inncent human life.

            Wrap your wickedness in fancy language all day, Jane Brown. You support the murder of our most vulnerable so that people can have sex for fun. Shame on you change your life.

          • Tina

            What’s wrong with having sex for fun?

          • Prettylady!

            Good question. 57 million dead children sacrificed so you and I can have recreational sex… Sex is for two purposes: to procreate, and to unify the couple procreating so they can bond more deeply to raise the child. Without both those things, unity, and procreativity, we have either rape, or breeding or masturbation, not sex.

            I would go so far as to say its not even sex without those two elements. What do you think tina?

          • Tina

            I think that sex is fun! It can also be loving, nurturing and to procreate. I don’t have sex just to procreate though. I do it because it feel’s damn good and I have fun doing it! Depending on my mood I can either make love to my husband or fuck him :) I connect just fine with my husband when his head is between my legs! We have a very DEEP bond!

          • PJ4

            100% agree… although… I prefer vaginal orgasms and ejaculating to oral–it’s just much more earth shattering.
            I feel like mere clitoral stimulation is for amateurs.
            Just my opinion… :-)

          • Delani

            You’re my favorite person on this thread. YOU TELL THESE UPTIGHT PANTYWAISTS WHAT REAL FUN IS SISTER! *high fiving my screen*

          • PJ4

            Lol, well my hyper sexuality doesn’t make me any less pro life…so I may not be your favorite person on this thread :-)

          • Delani

            nah, a lot of my friends are pro life, I can agree with one aspect of someone and not hate them for our differences. :)

          • Tina

            Unfortunately, “pro-lifer’s” can’t sort out their differences and continue to bash and judge those that are “pro-choice”.

          • PJ4

            Fortunately,(well maybe not for you) the exact same thing could be said of pro aborts who judge pro lifers.

          • PJ4

            Kudos to you, mate, most pro aborts I’ve encountered are incapable of not hating pro lifers.
            You’re one of the few.

          • Delani

            I’d never hate someone for believing something. I can understand why someone is pro life. I used to be. It was after some very sad, very hard times in the life a friend, and myself, that I was forced to see a different side.
            Hating someone for believing something is against my moral code- the only people I don’t care for are the ones who hate, judge, or try to hurt people they don’t know based on their belief. I’m a live and let live kind of girl, for the most part. Mostly I come to these, because a. I can’t resist a heartwarming story, and despite the trials, this was a sweet one. I fully believe she made the choice that brought her happiness, and I’m so glad she could push through and see the good side to her situation. and B. I do legitimately enjoy a debate. I don’t like the mean people on the thread, but the ones who simply debate with me, and actually have a good argument are my favorite people. It’s like… intellectual takeout. Fast food for thought. :D

          • Jackie Delgado

            I totally get what you’re saying about being pro choice but understanding pro life. I’m pro life but understand pro choice. I’m in high school and have seen lots of kids in really bad situations. There’s never an easy answer. Even my mom said that about our family to a friend who was bashing pro choice people. She said, I’m really blessed. I have an incredibly supportive spouse,therapy to help me work through this nightmare, I’m an adult with an established career and have stability in my life. She said imagine a 19 year old kid who has nobody and is barely scraping by or a woman in an abusive relationship who struggles to take care of the kids she has already and this is not so black and white and she can’t be blamed for that. She and my dad have always told us that we love and pray for people who make choices God says aren’t right because we all do that and nobody is better than anybody else. And if we start judging people we may even be worse. She said that in the article too but it was cut out and man was she pissed. She said it made her sound holier than tho but I don’t think so. Anyway.

          • PJ4

            I’m glad you’re not the rabid pro abort to which we are so accustomed
            I used to be pro “choice” myself until I graduated from high school,stopped being a Christian, and took a bunch of science classes in college
            Pretty open mined though

            Unfortunately, most of the pro aborts we’ve encountered are like this:
            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/ifightbullies/i_fight_bullies_chronicles_of_my_online_life_in_message_board_land/#comment-1842736409

            And this:

            https://disqus.com/home/discussion/plumstreetchili/plum_street_chili_89/#comment-1835408310

            They’re mostly on attack mode when they come here

            Honestly, I’d be on any side they weren’t on

            Thank you for being civil and cordial
            You are truly a rarity

          • Delani

            I don’t hate pro life people, never have, never would. I don’t agree with it, I won’t lie about that, but I have many friends who are pro life. We debate about it, but we’re all grown ups. One disagreement doesn’t turn us into children who hurl insults because we aren’t exactly alike.

          • Nordog6561

            LOL

            You’re funny.

            Just not in any way you might imagine.

          • Delani

            OooOh. Big bad backhanded compliment. Ouch. The pain. My poor feelers. Mommy, the internet smart alec tried to hurt my feelers. Get a hobby.

          • Nordog6561

            I don’t get a high five, sister?

            LOL

          • PJ4

            LOL, Nor, be nice.
            She’s one of the only cordial pro aborts we’ve encountered.
            Actual dialogue is possible with her.
            Don’t treat her like she’s Heil or Plum or Fiona the Ogre or any number of the crazies on RH.
            She’s one of the only civil ones…let’s treat her as such please.

          • Nordog6561

            Yes ma’am.

            :-(

            I’ll be good. Promise.

            :-)

          • PJ4

            Thank you :-)

          • Prettylady!

            Why do you think there are 57 million abortions? Why do you think most couples get divorced? This is a family site, please stop with the foul language. One more cuss word and I’m cutting you off

          • Delani

            If you take the proper precautions, sex can be for fun. Guess what? It feels good for a reason.

            Women like you make me almost glad to be sterile. At least I don’t have to bring a child in to this world who will have to be subjected to your blind, sheepish, and contradictory hatred.

          • Prettylady!

            I’m sorry to hear that, sister.

          • Prettylady!

            Define sex for me, Delani.

          • PJ4

            Nothing at all.
            Sex is awesome.

          • Martha Genn

            This description is missing the part about
            ” or never will reach such a stage as previously described due to developmental issues
            in utero “

          • Tina

            It could happen to a teenage girl for Christ sakes, but these people who are “pro-life” can only see it from their point of view. Don’t waste your time trying to knock some sense into them. They’ll believe what they want and continue to be close minded individuals!

          • Martha Genn

            Yes I realized this when they stated that { during a conversation primarily about rape } ” just don’t get pregnant, it’s as simple as that ” WTF?

          • Delani

            I maintain that if you step foot to an abortion clinic for a protest, you should have to claim one of the children who would have been aborted. You should have to pay for that child’s development, doctors visits, clothing, and personal needs. You should have to assist the mother with housing and travel, as well as employment. You want to make a woman have a child she doesn’t want, you deal with the consequences.

            *the you here is in reference to protesters.. people on here seem to get confused easily, so I’m going to go ahead and make this disclaimer*

          • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

            how would you know all that so far in advance of birth?

          • Martha Genn

            Where do you get ” so far in advance of birth “? I at no point stated a specific point in any pregnancy. I did however aske a logical question to a common situation. I ended my interest in this particular discussion when it became clear that most people on this thread are pro birth and not pro life and have no real interest in the life of anyone just their own so called moral compass and enforcing their warped views on everyone else.

          • unicornhearts

            You can’t kill something that Isn’t alive. You’re confusing pro-abortion with pro-choice. Pro-choice obviously means a woman should have a choice. A choice to get an abortion or a choice to have the baby. It’s a private, personal one that doesn’t involve you. Whether she had the child or not, is her personal decision and either way should be respected. Having the baby is a choice yes, but not the only one.

          • Prettylady!

            You can’t kill something that Isn’t alive.

            Is it growing? If you didn’t suck the embryo out like it’s trash, and left it to it’s own, would it grow?

          • Prettylady!

            Ooooo! This one will be fun. Save your breath slave owner!

            You’re confusing pro slavery with pro-choice. Pro-choice obviously means a slave owner should have a choice. A choice to own a slave or a choice to not own a slave. It’s a private, personal one that doesn’t involve you. Whether she buys a slave or not, is her personal decision and either way should be respected. Not owning slaves is a choice yes, but not the only one.

            Oh, this is so fun!!!! Can I use this unicorn? you are silly enough to tee it up for me!!!!

          • Prettylady!

            This is just too easy:

            . You’re confusing pro-slaver with pro-choice. Pro-choice obviously means a slave owner should have a choice. A choice to get own slaves or a choice to have not own slaves. It’s a private, personal one that doesn’t involve you. Whether she purchased slaves or not, is her personal decision and either way should be respected. Owning slaves is a choice yes, but not the only one.

          • Prettylady!

            Tee hee! This is just too funny!!!!! PL! you kill yourself! I know I do. I love you PL! Me Too!

          • Delani

            THE BIBLE IS PRO SLAVERY. YOUR EXAMPLE LITERALLY BACKS UP THE PRO CHOICE ARGUMENT. THERE IS A FLIPPING RULEBOOK IN THE BIBLE FOR HOW ONE SHOULD TREAT ONE’S SLAVES.

            Seriously, have you read the bible?

          • Prettylady!

            What have I do do with the bible? What is the bible? what are you talking about?

            Slavery was legal. If you were pro choice, you could own slaves or not. The writer could be the voice of a pro slavery confederate 200 years ago. . (I guess I could have made that more clear). I apologize Delani.

          • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

            I have, and just because it declares that you should not mistreat your slaves doesn’t mean it is PRO-slavery. God never commanded anyone to take slaves. It developed naturally and has existed in one form or another through most of human history. It was a fact of life and couldn’t be ignored. Whole societies were built upon slavery – the majority of people were slaves, not free. It was considered preferable to being slaughtered in war, and was sometimes taken on voluntarily as an alternative to poverty, or people were simply born into it. Some societies, like the Roman, had mechanisms for moving out of slavery. Some slaves were wealthy and owned slaves of their own. It was so ingrained into civilization, for as long as it was agrarian, that there could be no doing away with it.

          • Delani

            Actually, it is. Many of God’s best followers were then blessed with servants as part of the gifts bestowed for their service. Noah, Abraham, Sarai’s slave was told to return, Isaac, and many others, Read more or less the entirety of the old testament if you are unsure of my fact checking. I spent most of my childhood being forced to memorize the bible, and what a read it is.

          • Prettylady!

            You can’t kill something that Isn’t alive.

            So embryo is not alive. Hmmm.

            Is it growing?

          • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

            How can you say that anything a person chooses to do should be respected?
            Why? Are we to live our lives in a continual state of neutrality?

          • nikkie1022

            I believe that either way she would have gone whether to keep the baby or to abort, there will always be someone out there judging her! Another thing is let’s stop calling that precious baby a “rapist baby “!!! Until you are in a situation such as that you never know what someone goes threw! The only one who had any right to judge is our Heavenly Father! God bless her and her family!!

          • Prettylady!

            I believe that either way she would have gone whether to own black slaves or to free her black slaves, there will always be someone out there judging her!

            Nikkie, I said rapist’s baby a rapist’s baby not a rapist baby! Baby’s have never raped anyone.

          • Jackie Delgado

            THANK you. It’s just as much her baby and a child who had nothing to do with what happened! He’s innocent and deserves love rather than labels. I’m glad he has a family, and a real daddy, that sees that.

          • Delani

            So, PrettyLady, I have twisted tubes and endometriosis. If I were, by some chance, to be impregnated, I would most likely die, as a tubal pregnancy is almost 100 percent chance with me. So, I would be scourge of the earth to save my own life, when the life I would be growing would kill me? That makes sense. You know what doesn’t make sense? Your uninformed hatred of any woman who has an abortion. I don’t see anyone in the ‘I hate abortion’ crowd lining up to help raped, single, unintentional mothers take care of the children they are so quick to defend. There is pro- birth, then Pro-life. You’ve made it fairly obvious which side of that line you stand on. You have no right, in God’s own words, to judge, nor make decisions for, any other woman. Matthew 7:2 shows that much, but unless you follow all of the laws of Moses and the prophets, you really lack the authority or piousness necessary to make judgement or accusation on God’s behalf. It is his own business what his children are judged guilty of, and by no means your right to make those calls for him. Shame on you and your harsh words,

          • Prettylady!

            Would the baby die too?

          • Delani

            If that is your only question, then you just showed your care for human life. You don’t . You simply hate people who don’t agree with you. It’s not your place. You have no right to shame anyone. You place no value on people, you don’t care what happens to the kid afterwards, so long as it’s alive. I’ve read through every comment you’ve put on this thread. You told a woman to hate herself while calling her your ‘sweet little sister’.. How much you must despise yourself to so freely hate everyone else.

            Whatever happened to make you like that, I truly am sorry. Every life is precious, but not every embryo will have life. It’s like sending an addict to prison instead of a clinic. Having someone to blame makes everyone feel better, but not everything has someone to blame.

          • Prettylady!

            How dare you shame me for not agreeing with me.

            Don’t you see? There must be a moral reality. Is the only moral reality that there is no moral reality and that only the powerful can rule? That’s tyranny sister….

          • Delani

            I didn’t shame you. I said I’m sad for you. You’ve gone through this whole thread and insulted, cursed, and chastised anyone who isn’t pro life. Abortions are a reality that have existed since ancient civilization. For a variety of reasons. We cannot judge the merit of each one individually- we do not have the resources. Legal or illegal, women will still find a way. The reasons for abortion are many and vary from every situation. Each woman has her own story, and it is her own body. Because we are designed to host a fetus does not make it our duty. Bodily autonomy itself, as a basic human right, negates the argument on any level. Forcing someone to carry a child is like forcing a person to donate an organ. Our bodies, like it or not, are our own, and it is not anyone else’s place to tell us what to do with them.

          • Prettylady!

            whose body are you talking about? The little girl growing inside a woman, or the woman who is carrying the little girl inside her? Whose body autonomy are you talking about? The weak one who can’t speak for herself? Or the powerful one who can have her unnaturally ripped from her womb because the weak little girl is IN HER WAY? Which body are you referring to, sister?

          • Delani

            It’s the woman’s right. If a woman does not want to be the symbiotic partner to an embryo, it is her choice to say no. Also, you never know what caused it. She could be in a relationship, or it could be the product of rape. Not all women are like this amazing mom. Not all women can handle looking down and seeing a life born of their pain. Many commit suicide, killing both, because they won’t get an abortion, or can’t. My point is that women shouldn’t be demonized because they don’t want a child. It is their body. Being born a woman does not make you an emotionless embryonic support. We are not child farms.

          • Prettylady!

            What would happen if a woman was raped on the same night she had sex with her husband. She had the child, a girl, and took a blood test. Horror of horror, the infant is the rapists. Is it ok for her to kill the little girl infant so the mother isn’t reminded of the rapist?

          • Delani

            A birthed infant is a little different than a zygote. It is a woman’s right to not act as a breeding tube. It would be her right, if she were in such a mindset to handle it like the article’s writer, to keep the child. Though if a woman were able to happily go through the process of having that child, she wouldn’t be bothered by it’s origin. No one likes abortion. It is not some celebrated action. It’s a choice. It’s knowing that you are not and will not be held prisoner by another person’s decision or beliefs, beliefs that do not reflect those of the world in a whole.

            The situation you bring up is not only unlikely, it’s extreme. I’ve had two miscarriages. I know the feeling of loss that a woman can experience. But I’ve also watched a friend be forced into an abortion, and watched her break down. While another friend of mine was raped, and chose to end the pregnancy because she mentally couldn’t handle it. She almost didn’t live through the experience itself. I have up front experience with this issue, and the fact is that every situation is different. Every woman who makes the choice is making it for a different reason. Has thought about it, obsessed over it. It is not a simple decision. One doesn’t wake up and say, hey, let’s go abort this fetus. It’s a hard thing, made harder by millions telling you you’re crap, you’re evil. You can’t generalize the right to your own body, it’s functions. We are not mindless breeding vessels whose sole purpose is reproduction.

            “No woman wants an abortion as she wants an ice cream cone or a Porsche. She wants an abortion as an animal caught in a trap wants to gnaw off its own leg.”- Fredrica Mathewes-Green

          • Prettylady!

            A birthed infant is a little different than a zygote

            What is a zygote?

          • Prettylady!

            It is a woman’s right to not act as a breeding tube.

            What kind of person would call a woman a “breeding tube?” Where did I imply that women were breeding tubes? Why would you say that?

          • Delani

            When the choice of whether she remains pregnant or not is taken from her, what would you call her? If she does want an abortion, for whatever personal reason, and she cannot have it, she’s a prisoner to the beliefs of others. She’s not a mother. She’s a hostage.

          • Prettylady!

            Legal or illegal, women will still find a way. The reasons for abortion are many and vary from every situation. Each woman has her own story, and it is her own body. Because we are designed to host a fetus does not make it our duty. Bodily autonomy itself, as a basic human right, negates the argument on any level. Forcing someone to carry a child is like forcing a person to donate an organ. Our bodies, like it or not, are our own, and it is not anyone else’s place to tell us what to do with them.

          • Delani

            That analogy doesn’t actually work. Bodily autonomy applies to your own, and every other woman’s own, right to your body and what is done to and with its parts. Shoplifting is the taking of something that belongs to someone else, which is actually what a pregnancy does to the woman. It is taking her energy, nutrients, cells, and effort in a parasitic relationship. It is a woman’s choice to allow that, or stop it. Women are forced into many roles in this world, and I do understand where pro life people are coming from, but I do not agree with forcing a woman to a commitment that she does not want or can not handle. Money is not a part of our bodies. Shoplifting is in no way connected to out bodies. If anything, in that analogy, the fetus would be the shoplifter.

          • Prettylady!

            It is a woman’s choice to allow that, or stop it.

            By “it” what are you referring to?

          • Delani

            By it, I’m talking about the Fetus. The beginning of what would be a child, if a mother wishes a pregnancy. But whether that fetus becomes an infant is her choice. No one else’s.

            I’m not going to give you fifteen definitions. It’s the internet. If a dictionary is not at hand, then google.

            Goodbye, prettylady, it’s been fun. I hope the choice in this world, yours included, remains safeguarded.

          • Prettylady!

            Stay with me, Delani!

            Do you think a fetus is human?

          • Delani

            No. I’m sorry, but not yet. There is a long way to go before pain receptors, neurons, the person part. I understand where you’re trying to go, and I respect your wordplay. I just don’t believe you can hold a woman hostage to a fetus. If it was not wanted, not planned for, I always hope a woman will turn to adoption, I do. But I’ve been present when that was not an option. When the pregnancy itself would have ruined her life- if not taken it. I understand why you believe as you do, and I respect it, but I also respect the millions of women out there who deserve a choice, who deserve control of their bodies.

          • Prettylady!

            So a dogo has pain receptors, is my dog a person?

          • Delani

            Your dog is breathing, thinking, feeling. Early termination pregnancies aren’t killing anything. There is no life there, yet. If someone has a late term abortion, chances are there’s a good reason. I.E. Life threatening situations, preeclampsia, tubal pregnancy- all things that would kill the mother and the fetus/zygote.

            I’m sorry, lady, But no, it’s not the same. Hurting an animal and having an abortion are two very different things. One is a requirement for women’s health. Women need abortions- in some cases, they are the only way to save a woman’s life, and/or mental health. As I’ve said, I’m glad this woman chose to keep her baby, that she was strong enough to handle what had happened, and still see a light. A lot of women are not. The amount of suicides, after birth murders, and thrown away infants are highest in states that do not allow abortions. Whether legal or not, if a woman does not want a baby, many will find a way to end the pregnancy on her own. It’s her body, it’s her choice. No one is clamoring to pay for anymore kids. Nine out of ten members of the ‘prolife’ movement are probirth- but anit foodstamps. Anti the welfare women need to help take care of these babies.

            It’s sad, it is. I’m not saying it’s a great thing to be praised- I’m saying it’s a choice. And every ‘her’ out there should have it.

          • Prettylady!

            I’m saying it’s a choice. And every ‘her’ out there should have it.

            At the moment of conception, all the genetic material are in place. Hair color, eye color, and yes gender. So your ‘her’ is selective.

            What choices are given to your unborn daughter?

          • Delani

            B y her, I was referring to the mother. It’s the mother’s body- not the seed. I’m sorry, but abortion is a medical necessity in many cases. Do you realize the amount of women who die in countries where it isn’t legal to perfectly avoidable things? Preeclampsia, tubal pregnancies.. Even when it’s not, you can’t FORCE anyone to do anything with their own body- including host life.

          • Prettylady!

            Has someone close to you had an abortion?

          • Delani

            Yes. Two people. One by choice, one by necessity- so she could live. I’ve seen it wanted and unwanted but needed.

          • Prettylady!

            do you think life has a purpose? Or is life nherintly purposless and we make our own purpose?

          • Prettylady!

            By it, I’m talking about the Fetus. The beginning
            of what would be a child

            Ok, so would it be fair to say that, to you, a fetus is in the process of gradually becoming child?

          • Prettylady!

            If anything, in that analogy, the fetus would be the shoplifter.

            What is a fetus, Delani?

          • Prettylady!

            I like you, you big silly!

          • Jackie Delgado

            An ectopic pregnancy is not a viable one. It wouldn’t be the same as an abortion.

          • Delani

            By some of the women I’ve talked to on here, as well as my (former) obgyn, that would depend on when I caught it. But if my state outlaws abortion completely, I would not be permitted the treatment I would need unless I left the state. I had a miscarriage, and before then was when I was told all of the possibilities. My point was that, legal or not, it’s going to happen. It just depends on how many women we want to see dead. I celebrate the women in this article, I’m happy she was able to mend herself through this baby. Not all women, in fact most, could do that.

          • May

            Delani, you are mistaken. The termination of an ectopic pregnancy is considered medically necessary. Medically necessary abortions have never been illegal and have never been covered in any restrictions (proposed or passed) pertaining to elective abortions. Even Catholic hospitals will perform these procedures.

          • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

            Delani,
            You may not know them, but there are many pro-lifers who do just that – helping unintentional mothers. Organizations as well.
            As for your situation, there would be no choice but to abort, since the embryo couldn’t survive a tubal pregnancy and neither could you. That’s not immoral.

          • Delani

            It’s great that some do, but for every one that does, there’s a thousand would be mothers who don’t. Abortion is as old as time, but in a clinic it’s at least safe for the woman, and as easy as it can be. I support abortion being legal because I’ve seen a girl forced into a back alley abortion, as there was no local place. As in forced by her parents, when her boyfriend was poking holes in their condoms. Not all abortions are given to women who don’t use birth control, or who have reckless sex. There are a million reasons for them. A million situations. In a perfect world we would judge case to case, but this is not a perfect world. And what starts with banning abortions ends with rights taken that you can’t even think of. In TN right now, if you are a smoker, and are told by your doctor not to quit, but slow down, so as not to jolt your child, you can be jailed if there are defects. Same for drug users. Instead of addicted mothers being able to go to the treatment they need while with child, they are held in custody and then jailed after the child is born. We are slowly anesthetizing the country in to complacency while rights are stripped one by one. As with Hobby Lobby, who’s intentions were only to honor their religious beliefs, it opens loopholes in law. Now, other secular companies are coming forward, only to save a dollar. The big picture is what people are missing.

          • jay93

            I do not believe in abortion, except for in proven rape cases. If you’ve never been raped (which I hope none of you have been) you can not begin to even understand how physically and mentally it affects you. It’s one of the most traumatic things you can experience. I personally wouldn’t be able to carry a rape baby because I wouldn’t he able to handle the emotions. Women have the right to chose. Rapists take so much from their victims, you cant let them have any extra control like the choice of raising your rapists baby. A child is a life long thing. You must love and care for it all your life. This woman is an angel for being so strong and selfless, but every one can’t be this amazing.

          • Prettylady!

            I do not believe in abortion, except for in proven rape cases.

            Do you even understand that the woman would be killing her own flesh and blood? Killing is killing is killing. Don’ hide behind the emotion of rape.

            Rape is horrible. But murder is worse. Murdering your OWN CHILD? Really Really bad

          • Tina

            The fetus doesn’t just depend on a woman’s body for survival, it actually
            resides inside her body. Human beings must, by definition, be separate
            individuals. They do not gain the status of human being by virtue of
            living inside the body of another human being,the very thought is
            inherently ridiculous, even offensive.In this case how can it be murder??

          • PJ4

            Human beings must, by definition, be separate individuals.
            Really?
            And what dictionary are you using?

            Not this one…
            http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/human-being

            Not this one…
            http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/human+being

            Not this one:
            http://www.thefreedictionary.com/human+being

            Not in the Encyclopedia Britannica…
            http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/275376/human-being

            Can you find me this definition of yours?

            They do not gain the status of human being by virtue of living inside the body of another human being,the very thought is inherently ridiculous, even offensive.

            So, if we are not human in our mother’s wombs, then what are we? Dogs? Cats? Aliens?

            In this case how can it be murder??

            Well, if a woman is on her way to the abortion clinic to kill her baby and someone kills her, the perp will be charged with a double homicide.
            Does that count?

          • Tina

            http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/human+being
            noun

            1.

            any INDIVIDUAL of the genus Homo, especially a member of the species Homo sapiens.

            Definition of a individual…..
            http://www.thefreedictionary.com/individual
            Of or relating to an individual, especially a single human

            Single definition…
            only one; not one of several.

          • PJ4

            Human development begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual

            A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo)

            Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.

          • Prettylady!

            So it is a separate individual friend. You have a poddy mouth don’t you. It’s very impressive, not persuasive, but impressive.

          • Laurel

            The psychopath you speak of is the man who raped this poor woman, and left her to deal with a child who could (in all reality grow up to be a evil as the psycho who raped the women.

            And speaking of the psychopath that did the raping, just out of curiosity, do you think he should be punished for his crime and how? “Rape is an evil that can NEVER be condoned!

          • Prettylady!

            left her to deal with a child

            Before I address the rest of you message, I would just like to point out the contempt you appear to have for an innocent child. We don’t deal with children, friend. Human life is to be respected. I must say, that is a callous thing to say….

          • Laurel

            Yes I agree whole heartedly! The woman is human and her life should have been be respected, that rapist did more that disrespect her HER life! And as for dealing with a child, yes, you are correct….in the respect that children are a wonderful thing to be enjoyed and cherished….I am a mother of 4, so I know this. However what I meant is that if the rapist is mentally disturbed ( as he must certainly is) it could very well be carried over to the child as many mental disturbances are, and yes, dealing with that when you didn’t when its forced upon you cam be a devasting thin to deal with! Your refusal to see this is a callous thing to say!

          • Prettylady!

            A rapist should get years of hard labor. I might suggest breaking up rocks, digging.

            Please separate the crimes here. One is rape. The other is murder of a helpless innocent. Never can the destruction of the innocent be condoned by civilization lest that civilization atomize and self destruct.

          • Prettylady!

            left her to deal with a child

            Before I address the rest of you message, I would just like to point out the contempt you appear to have for an innocent child. We don’t “deal” with children, friend, we raise them. Human life is to be respected. I must say, that is a callous thing to say…

          • Prettylady!

            and left her to deal with a child who could (in all reality grow up to be a evil as the psycho who raped the women.

            It is quite hard to take you seriously. How in gods name would you determine if an fetus will be a rapist? What madness is this?

          • emma

            We need to show love to her and calling her child a rapist baby is inhuman. It shows that you only allow perfect people to live in this world. That people that were conceived in raped should be killed, that they aren’t worthy to live as human beings would. I am happy that she kept her child, she saw beauty out of all the evil. Nothing says I love you like keeping and raising that child. The child’s life may be hard but the child will know that it’s mother chose life even after all the things that happened to her. Nothing is more empowering. Nothing gives me more hope.

          • Martha Genn

            I had 3 children, no home, no job, no job skills. I was entering the military to get training and have a steady paycheck to support my children; the ones I had whom I was responsible for. One of which was the product of rape. I was told I was pregnant despite birth control. I had to choose to either abort and continue so I could support the children who I was already responsible for and to, or carry the pregnancy and starve and condemn the family I already had. Abortion was NOT a CHOICE but the only thing I could do.

          • Robin J

            I’m sorry you felt you truly had no choice. Abortion is never the only option, although it can certainly feel that way. I’m sorry the Church failed you – it is our responsibility to care for the widow and the orphan (you and your children.) I’m sorry no one was there for you and your unborn child. God bless you and may He heal your pain, sister.

          • Martha Genn

            Thank you for your prayers and No I do not believe it should be the first choice for any one. My daughter was told she was sterile due to ovarian deterioration she became pregnant any way. she told me what the Doctors believed could be wrong with the fetus and that it would likely be either born dead or disabled I told her if she could wait she had choices if the baby was dead at birth but the organs were viable she could save another child’s life, if during the course of the pregnancy it turned out the child would be so severely disabled that she and her husband could not care for it she could probably find a loving family with the financial stability to care for the child and take care of it’s medical needs, if however if it was going to live for min. or even hours and die in agonizing pain then she would have to make the decision she felt was in the best interest of her and her baby so she should just wait and talk to her Dr. and then SEE what was happening. She gave birth to a wonderful IUGR baby boy he has some rather daunting medical conditions and needs used preemie clothes as he has grown out of new preemie clothes but does not fit newborn yet but she and her family are glad they waited he was worth the patients.

          • Robin J

            I understand. We have two babies with post birth diagnosis of Down syndrome. ❤

          • Martha Genn

            I wish you and your family all the best.

          • Prettylady!

            I knew you were close to this. We have all been LIED TO. Sex is not for fun. Sex is serious business. I’m sorry for your circumstance (by “your circumstance” I mean your murder of your own child because she got in your way).

            . But your continual rationalization can’t stand the light. Unburden yourself. Say I’m sorry. Change your life my sweet little sister. There is forgiveness BUT NOT FOR THOSE WHO THINK THEY DID NOTHING WRONG>

            You just admitted this to me. You did a horrible thing. But society is such that your culpability is lessened.

            UNBURDEN YOUR HEART. Ask the creator of all for mercy and forgivness. And watch the weight lift.

            But don’t ask me to condone your misbehavior.

          • Michael Ayers

            There’s nothing intellectual about a ‘debate’ like this. One person is citing the legal and biological fact that an embryo isn’t a person and you blindly adhere to religious doctrine that you don’t even understand the origin of.

          • Prettylady!

            One person is citing the legal and biological fact that an embryo isn’t a person

            Back this up, friend!

            you blindly adhere to religious doctrine

            And where did I mention any reliegious doctrine.

            This is tough for you. You are defending the destruction of human life so that people can have recreational sex.

            You are onto something, friend. Are you searching for truth, or are you searching for more dodges to rationalize your failure?

            Do you want truth, or do you want slavery in your life?

          • Prettylady!

            When does an embryo become a person, Mikey? We have a self appointed biological ethicist here ladies and gents.

          • Tracy Campbell

            Sorry, but I don’t think arguing and insulting over the Internet–oops, I mean “debating”–are as “intellectual” as you think they are. She asked a question, she got an answer. If someone asks a person whether or not they like toast, do we really need to ARGUE about whether or not their opinion of toast is right or wrong? Sheesh.

            (and yes, I realize abortion is a huge issue, but it is this way because of differing opinions. Reducing this to something more simple makes it more obvious how stupid it is to loathe and insult someone who sees things different than you.)

          • Prettylady!

            If someone asks a person whether or not they like toast, do we really need to ARGUE about whether or not their opinion of toast is right or wrong?

            Here is your enormous mistake. Do you have an opinion whether gravity exists? Whats your opinion about the existence of the moon? Maybe your opinion is it is cheese.

            Behavior has laws too. They flow from logic. For instance, if you were to murder me because I don’t like toast, that would be wrong. If someone said that it was not wrong, they would just be wrong.

            Sister, there are right behaviors and wrong behaviors. Murder of the innocent. not an opinion. Does that make sense?

          • Sarah Marie Hader

            Dear Irish, you had a inquiry, JoAnne gave that answer, you were satisfied, and now all kinds of people are saying how awful you are for voiceing-not even your opinion, but a question? Saying you must be unable to provide substantial material for a debate? Makes no sense to me. I just wanted to let you know that I appreciate your simple inquiry, and the coolness with which you handled the answer.

          • that1irishmate

            Meh, I’m done caring. If they want to bomb abortion clinics and become terrorists, its fine with me, keeps me in the job :)

          • Jackie Delgado

            You didn’t really imagine people would leave you alone on THIS thread did you?? ;)

      • rebecca

        Personally I am pro choice and I would not blame her for having an abortion, however I think her and her husband are amazing for overcoming this horrible ordeal and now something beautiful has come from it

      • Gemini25

        Two wrongs don’t make a right.

      • Kristin Deritis

        This made me have a thought: While I hate abortion, I also hate seeing people judge & bash those who have made the ‘wrong’ decision to have one. I have met plenty of people who have come to realize they’ve committed murder and are filled with a lifetime of pain and regret. We are ALL sinners and no one sin is greater than another. Let’s not forget that Paul (who wrote over 3 quarters of the bible, was a murderer.) My point? There is no sin that the blood of Christ can’t wash away. I’ll never be an advocate of abortion, but for those who have made that choice, there is ‘forgiveness’ and ‘healing’ in Christ. This article is so heart-warming in that this couple made the ‘right’ decision – but to those who haven’t, let’s not bash or demonize them but come to them in love, help them to heal, and help others to not make the same mistake.

        • that1irishmate

          I really don’t care any more, if people are that disillusion and ignorant, then let them, its not like their going to win anyways. :P

      • ourdemascam

        The proper authorities ought to pass the appropriate laws and then punish anyone that does it again for the murder that it is. What term do you want to use for calling what ought to be a crime what it is? If a murderer commits murder do you “demonize” him? “Blame” him? What’s the proper response? Just accept him… love him.. no blame…? It seems to me you’re framing the question such that it’s impossible to say abortion ought to be a crime, i.e. you’re begging the question, i.e. you’re saying if abortion isn’t wrong then abortion isn’t wrong — do I need to point out how weak an argument that is?

      • Jennifer

        It depends, Irish. If she got one right away, in the first three weeks, I’d applaud her courage. After that, I’d mourn for her and her tiny one.

    • Barbara Pyles

      If the rapest knew he had a son he would probably try to get custody .

    • Michael Ayers

      Saints are made through blind indoctrination

      • Prettylady!

        WHa?

  • These are truly wonderful people.

  • hunterrible

    I’m wondering how you are going to explain this to your son, and what his feelings will be that his biological father was a rapist. Obviously it is your decision, but I wouldn’t judge anyone—and neither should you—if they did not want to give birth to a child conceived via rape.

    • Kristiburtonbrown

      There are plenty of people who have horrible parents. One of my very close family members had a father who is said to be an unconvicted rapist. She’s still incredibly happy to be alive. She is not her father. She did not deserve to die because her father did wrong or horrible things. What if a child’s father became a rapist or another kind of violent criminal when the child was three-years-old? Should we not “judge anyone” if the mother decides to end the child’s life then because his father is a horrible person? No. It should never be ok to kill children – unborn or born – for the crimes of their father (or mother).

      • hunterrible

        Agreed, I didn’t say the author should have had an abortion, just that I wouldn’t begrudge those who do. And I do seriously wonder how that conversation about his father goes; I’m sure it is not easy. However, I see now that your expression of Christianity IS about judging others, and claiming to have the moral high ground. Good luck with that!

        • Mitzi

          You know I have to say I agree with you. It’s gonna be a very difficult situation for this family when the time comes to talk about this little boys biological father. Just like it must be a very difficult conversation to have (with anyone really including ones self) about the “choice” one chose to brutally kill ones unborn child wouldn’t you say?

          • hunterrible

            Yes Mitzi, life is full of difficult conversations, but hopefully they will lead to increased kindness, respect for others, and positive change, rather than hurt and negativity.

          • Mitzi

            I agree with you. Post abortive women need support and love from those around them but we shouldn’t support abortion merely because those around us choose it. It’s anything but kind, respectful or positive.

          • Prettylady!

            Yes, until then but until then, let’s to respect SOME humans, you know the ones hunt thinks army pulling their own weight. Hey friend, what about old people who don’t work any more are they viable to you?

        • Kristiburtonbrown

          My expression of Christianity (which I didn’t even bring up) isn’t about judging others or claiming to have the high ground. My expression of Christianity is about seeking justice for the innocent and oppressed and speaking out for those who are being wrongly and tragically sentenced to death. Should we help bring healing to mothers who have already had an abortion after a rape? Sure, I agree with you there. But that’s not really what we were talking about here…we were talking about making the decision to abort or not. And that’s why I speak out…for those who haven’t had an abortion yet and can still let their child live.

        • MamaBear

          Where in her comment did Kristi mention Christianity?
          She did not.
          But then, I’ve seen pro-abortionists regularly attack certain pro-life atheists and agnostics, assuming if they were pro-life that they were Christian.

          • hunterrible

            I assumed that, but I must have jumped to it from the author’s language not Kristi’s. Regardless, we’ve moved past that in the conversation, but glad you’re reading carefully!

        • Prettylady!

          Why are you judging her? Do you judge hitler? Let’s not judge anyone so says hunt! No laws no rules. These just keep parasites like hunt from expressing his freedom for being judged…

    • Ginkgo100

      Well, nobody wants to give birth to a child conceived via rape, at least before the rape happens. But when a rape does result in a pregnancy, the fact of the matter is that there are TWO victims, the mother and the child. We shouldn’t lie to a woman that doing even more violence to the other victim will somehow “heal” her.

      Also, I would gently point out that one can say that abortion is always wrong, without necessarily judging any particular person for their involvement with an abortion. The ACT is objectively evil. But we don’t know how much GUILT the person has: was the person forced or pressured into the decision? Did they know that what they were doing was wrong? That’s not a question an outsider can know the answer to. Also, as a Christian, I further believe (a) in forgiveness, and (b) that I’m not exactly perfect myself. So no way would I judge a person. But, abortion is still always wrong.

      • Jessica

        The only one who knows what she needs to heal from a rape is the woman who was raped. If she wants to carry to term and raise the child that is great. If she decides to give the child up for adoption or abort that is still her choice and everyone should support a woman who was raped no matter what choice she makes.

        • Kristiburtonbrown

          But why should a child ever be put to death for a crime that her father can’t even be put to death for?

          • Jessica

            If the woman carries to the point of viability I will agree that she should not have an abortion. However, why should she be punished for the crime that happened to her?

            If I was raped and I was forced to carry around a constant reminder of that rape I would feel betrayed by the entire universe. I know personally there would be no way I could move past what happened with the constant reminder of it growing inside me.

            If that makes you think I am weak, I am OK with that. Personally, I think rape is a horrible crime and if a woman does get pregnant from it we should be supporting her and not judging her.

          • MamaBear

            Two wrongs do not make a right, no matter how much we wish otherwise.
            As to constant reminders, many people carry with them truly constant (not just 9 months) reminders of war, accidents, diseases. Every time I dress or bathe, I have to look at reminders of a disease that is slowly killing me.
            The fault here is with the rapists, not the victim or child. Perhaps, if someone must die for the crime, we should reconsider the death penalty for rape. It used to be a “hanging offence.”
            BTW Many proposed pro-life laws do have a rape exception. Gutmacher (pro-choice) statistics put abortion due to rape at 1% of total legal abortions. (Life and health of the mother and fetal deformity together make another 1%.) 98% of abortions have nothing to do with rape or health.

          • hunterrible

            @mamabear What the debate on this thread really comes down to (and the reason I decided to stop commenting) is that you believe a fertilized egg is now a human / child, whereas people like myself and Jessica do not. Those two views cannot be reconciled, and it is the essential problem of this debate – no matter the circumstances of conception.

          • MamaBear

            But, we are not discussing fertilized eggs, unless we are only discussing something like plan B.
            By the time a woman knows she is pregnant, there is already a heartbeat. Shortly after that there is a brain with brain waves can be detected (8 weeks) and arms and legs. Read up on fetal development. It is amazing how quickly all the organs are there, even though they still have to grow and mature for much longer before they can survive outside the uterus.
            Feelings do not change medical and scientific facts, no matter what the circumstances. If they did, there would be no need for medicine – just “feel” that your disease isn’t really making you sick.
            Surely, you cannot see something that has a brain, spinal cord, beating heart, a face, arms, legs, fingers, toes, fingernails, the ability to move, respond to touch (sibling rivalry for twins starts very early) as just a “fertilized egg?” All these are present by the end of the first trimester.

          • hunterrible

            I don’t know why you brought “feelings” into it. You still seem to be arguing that as soon as you can identify a pregnancy, the fetus is a human; that is where we disagree—as do many scientists and doctors.

          • MamaBear

            Sorry that I used feelings. Believe it or not, most of the other pro-choice people who come here use “feelings.” You used “believe.” But, even with believe, that will not change the facts.

            Several things I hope you will consider:

            1. If at least some “fetuses” at a certain point survive as preemies, should not all fetuses from that point on be considered human? Location and type of life support (NICU vs. uterus) should not be the determining factor.

            2. In my lifetime, I have seen viability for preemies drop several weeks. Twenty years ago, a friend had a preemie (24 weeks), they did not even try to save. Just a few years ago, a young coworker had a preemie at the exact same week of gestation and he was rushed to NICU and today is a happy healthy elementary student. I understand it is now down to 22 weeks. Viability is moving as our technological and medical skills are improving, therefore even viability is not a definite determiner.

            3. As I said earlier, by the end of the first trimester, all major organs and body parts are in place and it is just a matter of time to mature. There is even independent movement, ultrasounds of twins interacting showing it is purposeful.

            4. Most of Western Europe, because of studies in fetal development, only allow elective abortions during that first trimester, even though viability is not currently possible until near the end of the second trimester.

          • hunterrible

            I meant to reply to your comment, but ended up posting it at the one below: Yes, fetal viability is the sticking point.

          • MamaBear

            Thank you for acknowledging that. You would not believe the people who come on here and argue for abortion up to the point of coming out of the birth canal. Apparently, they think something “magic” happens at that point.

          • hunterrible

            I posted a link below about this debate over viability, which is clearly ongoing. I see you have a clear grasp of the shifts in the medical world, but as you mention, technology and data are changing regularly. I can’t spend more time commenting here today!

          • Basset_Hound

            Yeah, like our old friend. I’ve got to run along now to write some more dramatic fiction.

          • PJ4

            Excuse, me, if we are not human in our mother’s wombs from the moment of fertilization then what are we? Cats? Dogs? Fish? An alien being?

            Traditional ways of classifying catalog animals according to their adult structure. But, as J. T. Bonner (1965) pointed out, this is a very artificial method, because what we consider an individual is usually just a brief slice of its life cycle. When we consider a dog, for instance, we usually picture an adult. But the dog is a “dog” from the moment of fertilization of a dog egg by a dog sperm. It remains a dog even as a senescent dying hound. Therefore, the dog is actually the entire life cycle of the animal, from fertilization through death. –Dr. Scott Gilbert.

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK10044/

            You said doctors and scientists agree with you. I just showed you one who contradicts your belief.

            Can you show me one who agrees with you?

          • hunterrible

            Yes, fetal viability is the sticking point. To clarify for PJ4, I wrote that scientists and doctors ALSO DISAGREE on these topics, not that they are on a single side. Stop looking for an argument I am not making. I’m not continuing this conversation, because as I have pointed out, we find the facts support different truths.

          • PJ4

            I was asking you to prove me wrong with medical texts.
            Why can’t you?
            Every pro “choicer” to whom I’ve posed this challenge has declined with similar tripe.

            I never even mentioned “viability”

          • Mitzi

            Did he say “different truth” lol next time I need to lie I’ll use that one lol (not that I lie :) just couldn’t help myself)

          • PJ4

            Haha!
            I know what you mean!

            “I’m not lying? We just have duffernt truths!!”
            Wonder of that can work in a court of law???

          • hunterrible

            Some people believe it TRUE that people are born gay, others believe it TRUE that they have chosen that orientation. These people are each choosing what the facts make true for them, meaning DIFFERENT TRUTHS. Good luck convincing anyone to trust your argument with such childish commenting behavior.

          • Mitzi

            I think what you mean to say was belief. Because you have chosen to believe something doesn’t necessarily make it real or true. “Different truth”is just laughable at best. Simply say “I dont believe life starts at conception.”

          • PJ4

            But that goes against every embryology and biology and genetics text book, like ever.

          • Mitzi

            I completely agree I’m just pointing out to terrible here that if wants to disagree with facts he needs to state it as so.

          • Prettylady!

            Ah the modern! There is no truth, that’s the only truth. Only what the majority says is the truth. Only the powerfully truth prevails. The tyranny of the majority.

          • Prettylady!

            What about infants? They can’t even feed themselves? Are they viable? What about 10 year olds? Can they survive without help? What about you hunt? Are you totally self sufficient? Do you rely on others to survive, or do you come in from the mountains once a year to comment on pro life blogs? Are you not dependent on the earth and others to be viable?

            Maybe you aren’t viable friend.

          • Jessica

            Yes the fault is with the rapist, but I see it as wrong to force the woman to carry the pregnancy from the rape to term. Maybe we should make rape a crime to where men can get the death penalty. That might make at least some men reconsider their actions. I just can not see how forcing the woman to suffer for the horrible crime done to her can help her.

          • Prettylady!

            Forced pregnancy. What twisting of the truth that there is a hu,an life you are talking about.

          • Jessica

            How is it twisting the truth? A raped woman did nothing to make herself pregnant. Why punish her?

          • Prettylady!

            How is killing her own flesh and blood helping her. Jess? Who told you JESS could judge some human life as worthy to live and other human life is for the trash can?

          • Jessica

            She is not having to live with the reminder of the rape growing inside her body. She is not looking in the mirror and seeing and feeling the reminder of the rape inside her every day.

          • Jackie Delgado

            You say we shouldn’t judge a woman and her decisions if she becomes pregnant after a rape. But isn’t that what is happening here? What you mean to say is we shouldn’t judge a woman who aborts an innocent baby but if she chooses life we can all talk shit and make assumptions and accuse HER of being judgmental. Got it.

          • Jessica

            I do not think either should be judged. I will admit I will never understand how a woman could be willing to carry the pregnancy from a rape to term, but it is her choice. No understanding something is not the same as judging something.

          • Prettylady!

            Who’s punished, the child gets the death penalty! Good gravey. I don’t think you are weak, I think you don’t think that human life has intrinsic dignity. Tell me, why should an innocent child be torn apart for what a sick rapist did?

          • Jessica

            Why should an innocent woman be punished for what a rapist did? Life isn’t fair and I am going to side with the person who knows what is happening and has the ability to feel pain and suffer.

          • Prettylady!

            Pigs feel pain, do you think a pigs life is worth more than a human life?

          • Jessica

            A embryo aborted does not feel pain. Most abortions happen when the embryo/fetus does not feel pain. No one waits until 20+ weeks just so the fetus can feel pain.

      • Summer

        What if both the mother and child were in high danger of death if the child was born? What if it was a ten year old girl that was raped and got pregnant? (it can happen)
        Abortion is wrong, but certain circumstances do occur where it’s not quite so black-and-white.

        • MamaBear

          Almost all pro-lifers make exceptions for the life of the mother. Proposed pro-life laws always make that exception.
          What we oppose is ELECTIVE abortions!

        • PJ4

          If the mother’s life is in danger then triage is applied.
          You save the person who has the highest chance of surviving.

          But you’re brining up a red herring.
          56 million dead babies in 40 years is not a result of health issues or 10 year olds begin raped.

  • Mother_of_4_Original

    God bless you all and give power to your voice on behalf of the innocents.

  • This is hard to believe at first glance, but, I’m glad they chose life.

  • Jane

    Wow. It’s incredible and Godly, amazing of both the husband and the wife to make this “choice.” I know several people who were conceived in rape, and it can be very painful
    to be an adult. A child, an innocent baby is easier to reconcile, to care for and even love than a rebellious teen or adult. And an adult who knows his or her conception came in the most violent, heinous of manner is a horrible thing to reconcile – even for someone brought up in a loving home. Pray for this family for the long haul, because this wasn’t a momentary decision; it was a lifelong decision to keep and bring up this child rather than give him to another family. They WILL need support. He will need support.

  • EllieMaewannabe

    May God bless these wonderful parents. I hope she realizes what a gem her husband is! Not many men would be that positive.

  • JackMarino

    This is what WE HUMANS are suppose to do. This is the LOVE that Christ preached about… ‘no greater love… ” This is proof that these two unselfish parents took care of this child who is a gift. It is so easy for these Doctors to say, ‘take care of it’ or in my own situation… ‘pull the plug’ Life is so precious,it is a gift even when it’s hell, because we human can take anything and come out the other end better

  • Shell Shell

    Awesome story! It goes to show you that women can choose love in spite of the circumstances surrounding a child’s conception. It is disappointing that so many devalue this life conceived as garbage to be disposed of. We need to change this mind set,only God can change hearts. The battle is spiritual.

  • Carmencita

    She has set herself up to be SUED by her rapist for parental rights and custody battles. I know how off-the charts ridiculous this sounds but rapists are doing this all over the country . . . and because the rape itself is never made an ‘issue’ or a defense, they are getting away with it. She should have kept her mouth shut! The statute of limitations will ‘run’ on the rape, but you can claim custody for many years into the future. If this guy comes forward she needs to quietly hire someone to make him ‘go away’ (or do it herself) before some liberal attorney can sue her on behalf of his client.

  • Lisa Duckworth Evans

    Absolutely beautiful! While, we all have choices, no one probably would have faulted you for choosing to abort. But what I have always thought, is no matter the reason, and no matter the cause, the action of abortion is still murder. Bless you for taking a stand and for choosing your son’s life!

    • Lilian

      Compassionate words!

    • Prettylady!

      Lisa, do you think humans have inherent dignity, or do you think some humans, bigger, stronger humans have more rights than smaller weaker humans?
      Do we determine human worth by how old someone is, or whether they can talk or drive a car, or just because they are human?

      I fault ANYONE who kills another person.

  • o h

    happy they chose life, but I don’t get how they knew right away it was the rapist’s baby and not the husbands….

    • Martha Oram

      I would assume because they probably hadn’t been intimate since the rape. Many women find it difficult to resume intimacy with their husbands after sexual assault – or at least, it takes quite some time.

      • o h

        yes, but weren’t they intimate just prior ? I mean I don’t understand if you have a normal marriage how you could pinpoint such a thing without a paternity test unless you and the husband had not been intimate for a month or two….

        • Jackie Delgado

          I read on another site her friend responded and said the husband had a vasectomy a few years ago.
          Either way an early ultrasound shows how many weeks you are with a margin of error of less than a week. If she was away on business it would be pretty clear.

    • MamaBear

      She was on a business trip when raped, so perhaps by the timing of the pregnancy.

    • Jane

      A woman often knows when she’s pregnant very soon after she becomes pregnant and exactly when she became pregnant. In this case, in the case of sexual assault, the woman and her husband probably did not have sex for some time after the rape. It can take a very long time for a woman to be comfortable with intimacy after being violated. And if she had been traveling prior to the rape, she and her husband would certainly know the paternity of the child immediately.

  • greeneyes0818

    How strong of this family how the husband is willing to raise the child too amazing God is amazing

  • CFanny

    I know of two rape cases where my friend, and her daughter both had this happen. My friend kept her daughter, and then the daughter was raped as well, and kept her son. They are beautiful young people. I met the man who was kept by his mom. He is an absolutely wonderful man who is very gifted, compassionate and loves life, his mom, and family. He is now married too and his own family. Miracles happen even with such horrific circumstances. This man thanked his mother for keeping him! Life is precious.

  • Bella

    You. Are. Amazing.

  • Bella

    There are lots of references to judgment on this thread, but there is no hint of judgment either in the article or in the comments! But many times we anticipate judgment for something we feel uneasy about deep inside.

    No one can deny, medically or ethically, that abortion is taking a life. But the circumstances that lead a person to make that decision are unique to that individual. Nobody here is passing judgments on her character.

    If you sense judgment that isn’t there, perhaps that is an area of conscience that you need to work out…particularly if it stirs you to the point of heated argument or passing negative judgment yourself.

    Not “judging”…but just putting this out there as a possibility.

    • Jackie Delgado

      Well said Bella!

    • Lilian

      I second Jackie – well said!

  • Jan Fallon

    WOW. Trust leads to triumph! Cherishing LIFE really means more now. God Bless you and everyone who reads this!

  • Pluto Animus

    We all should thank that man for raping her.
    He did a really good thing by making that baby.

    Am I thinking like a Christian yet?

    • Ashley Studwell

      “The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned” 1 Cor. 2:14

    • Mitzi

      What a horrible person you are. You must be very unhappy. Good luck with your life.

    • Prettylady!

      I love how Christians are so easily slurred. How would this sound: “am I thinking like a Jew yet?” Or, am I thinking like a black person yet?

      Nice Pluto, if that’s even your real name…

  • shrgngatlas

    It’s hard for me to type this through the tears of joy flowing from my eyes as a result of reading this truly uplifting story of love coming out of such an awful experience. God bless you, your wonderful husband, and your whole family.

  • RJ

    What a wonderful story about a woman that got to decide for herself what she wanted to do with her body. You go girl. Just don’t forget to let other women decide for themselves too.

    • Prettylady!

      Whose body? Her unborn child’s body or her body, I’m confused…

      But you are confused aren’t you rj?

      • RJ

        Correct. You ARE confused!

        • Prettylady!

          Tell me about the women close to you who have had abortions rj. Or are you just throwing insults around

  • alistair1537 .

    so the rapist – is he caught? did he get jailed – will he one day, having paid his debt to society want to meet his child? there are so many connotations to this story

  • Jayde

    That husband is a real man.

    • Prettylady!

      Excellent point. Men are totally shouted down by abortionist bullies…

    • Lilian

      He really is. His response to both his wife and the child of her attacker is admirable.

  • Christina Reynolds

    I am glad you made the choice that was best for YOU in this scenario; I am glad other women that have victimized in such a way have a choice to remain or not to remain pregnant, and I will not use stories such as this one as an “excuse” to take such rights to bodily autonomy away.
    The best to you, and your son.

    • Prettylady!

      Choice to remain pregnant! I love it, can you even say the word abortion?

      Whose body autonomy are you talking about Christina, the woman’s or her child’s? Science tells us that TWO people enter an abortion facility. One leaves and joins the walking wounded, another leaves in a plastic bag.

      Do you believe in science or do you think a stork delivers children?

      • Christina Reynolds

        Um…yeah, I can say the word abortion? I can actually say I am happy that people have the choice to have an abortion when they would like!

        Also a fetus is a not a child; the fetus depends on the mother’s body to remain nourished. The mother’s body is priority in such a case. Science tells us that ONE sentient, “living” being goes in to a clinic, and that the POTENTIAL for two may or may not come out; a MAJORITY of the time when abortions are performed are before a fetus even remotely starts looking or acting like the “child” you have referred to, and after this point, they are generally done in the chance that a mother’s life or the quality of life for the child is being severely affected.

        I believe in science and don’t endorse such silly “stork” stories; keep you’re loaded as fuck questions that accuse me of doing so to yourself, cupcake.

        • Prettylady!

          Ah swearing! Love it! So a fetus is not living? Explain that to me friend!

          And Christina prioritizes one human life over another. You would have made a good slave owner. They prioritized white skinned people over black skinned people. Slavery was legal too. So if it’s legal and they don’t look like you, I guess a human life is a lower priority.

          But I’m guessing you have known someone who has gotten an abortion….maybe you counseled them with arguments like a fetus isn’t a sentient being. Do you know someone who has gotten an abortion Christina? Can you answer without swearing?

          • Christina Reynolds

            You’re really that bothered that I said fuck? ummm ok, then, honestly.
            And, yeah, you’re right. A fetus is a living being, but that can be said for a lot of things; come back to me when you are in support of NO living thing being gotten rid of, in any sense of the word. I bet you can’t do that, honestly.

            “And Christina…..would be a good slave owner”…..Are you kidding me? Are you really comparing reproductive rights to slavery? I don’t know if you’re smart enough to know this, but slavery and reproductive rights are in NO way connected. It is also fairly ironic that you, someone that would insinuate that a pregnant women should be forced to remain pregnant, would try to make such a tongue-in-cheek comment about slavery. You would make the better slave-owner, than I would, honestly.

            And yeah, I know someone who has gotten an abortion; I know people that have gone the adoption route. I also know people that have sustained debilitating injuries because of a high-risk pregnancy.
            Tell me fucker; is that any of your business? Can you answer that without this condescending “oh no, don’t swear!” attitude?

          • Christina Reynolds

            Ugh, looking at some of your comments on other articles makes me sick; you come off as one of those creeps that wants to control other peoples’ sex lives in addition to their reproductive status.

          • PJ4

            Ugh your comments make the rest of us sick.
            You come off as one of those creeps who would allow a child to be molested right in front of you and do nothing to prevent it, because you know… other people’s sex lives are non of your business.
            You really are one sick f*ck.

          • Christina Reynolds

            “So, you think the world would be better off had Frederick Douglass , Harriet Tubman, and George Washington Carver been aborted? They were all born in slavery.You think killing them ALL before birth would have been better than allowing them to live, have children, hope for freedom for themselves or their children, which eventually came?”

            Are you really THAT much of a load piece of scum? I wouldn’t even imply that, BUT, you, actually said that. That’s rich! That is really rich.

            “Do you realize that abortion is currently pushed so hard on the black community that in some places, such as New York, significantly more black babies are aborted than born?

            Wrong. Again. This is fun. The reason the “black community” tends to have higher abortion numbers is generally related to their financial standing, and not some absurd “black genocide” as you have alluded to.

            “You come off as one of those creeps who would allow a child to be molested right in front of you and do nothing to prevent it, because you know… other people’s sex lives are none of your business. ”

            Again, loaded. fucks. I know someone that has been molested and assaulted by a loved one; those are NON-CONSENSUAL sex acts, and there is no way I would support those. Geez, you people need to get checked out.

          • PJ4

            Oh sure, you know everyone that has ever had anything bad happened to them..
            uh uh…
            And you think we need to check out.
            Seriously, you are one sick f*ck.
            Get yourself some help before you hurt someone.

            You sound angry and deranged… in short, you sound like a typical pro abort.
            Excellent. Thank you for living up to your potential and proving me right.

            Pro life tip: An orgasm a day keeps the anger away.
            See why I’m not angry?

            Pro aborts are just angry at the world because they’re bad in bed and they don’t get laid enough. At least that sounds like your problem.

            You’re welcome

          • Christina Reynolds

            “Oh sure, you know everyone that has ever had anything bad happened to them.. ”
            My circumstances seem to be pretty unfortunate in some ways; I know lots of people that have had such things you mentioned happen to them, and I actually volunteer to help children/adults that have been traumatized in such a way.

            “Pro life tip: An orgasm a day keeps the anger away. See why I’m not angry?
            Pro aborts are just angry at the world because they’re bad in bed and they don’t get laid enough.”
            I have plenty of consent-related orgasms; I actually have yet to put it in ones’ face that I do so. I implied that I have a sex life, but I have yet to go in to detail about it. I’m happy that someone thinks highly enough of you to provide you with this service. Would you like a pat on the back…a cookie? Something. If anything, thanks for doing so in a way that is both safe, I’m assuming, and consensual!

            I am plenty good in bed, sweetheart; I don’t need your validation or confirmation on this subject, but thanks. If I wasn’t good in bed, that wouldn’t be what decides the total of my worth or happiness, anyhow. The implication that it does or that it should is genuinely sad.

          • PJ4

            I actually volunteer to help children/adults that have been traumatized in such a way.

            Yes me too.

            I have plenty of consent-related orgasms; I actually have yet to put it in ones’ face that I do so. I implied that I have a sex life, but I have yet to go in to detail about it. I’m happy that someone thinks highly enough of you to provide you with this service. Would you like a pat on the back…a cookie? Something. If anything, thanks for doing so in a way that is both safe, I’m assuming, and consensual!

            From the sound of it, it seems like you wish you did.

            You’re just too angry for me to believe it. Sorry.

            I am plenty good in bed, sweetheart; I don’t need your validation or confirmation on this subject, but thanks.

            I’m sure you think you are. Oh, of course you are…

            *snort*

            If I wasn’t good in bed, that wouldn’t be what decides the total of my worth or happiness, anyhow. The implication that it does or that it should is genuinely sad.

            I don’t think it’s sadder than being told to vote with your “lady parts”.

          • MamaBear

            It always amazes me how pro-aborts get so judgmental if you disagree with them, based on their own situation or the situation of someone they know. Yet, they assume that no one else could possibly have suffered in the same or a similar way if they disagree with them.

          • PJ4

            Wrong. Again. This is fun. The reason the “black community” tends to have higher abortion numbers is generally related to their financial standing, and not some absurd “black genocide” as you have alluded

            Wrong again
            This is fun
            Blacks have been the target of eugenics and racist pro aborts like you for a very long time in this country

          • Christina Reynolds

            You can stop calling me “pro-abortion”, honey. I’ve never congratulated someone for getting an abortion or actually told someone they *should* get one. ;)

          • PJ4

            Oh, you can stop being in denial of what you are honey.

            If you are in favor of a women killing her child in her womb, then you are pro abortion.

            Time for a the daily pro abort schooling in vocabulary:

            http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/proabortion

            http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/pro-abortion

            http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pro-abortion

            http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pro-abortion

            While I understand how difficult it is for people of your ilk to understand simple definitions and comprehend reality, it’s just rather pathetic that you don’t even understand what you are.
            Yes your position is embarrassing and shameful and to be honest if I still held your ridiculous religious believes, I’d be ashamed too.

            Here’s some advice from a pro abort:
            We – in the states – have dealt heavily, up to now, in euphemism. I think one of the reasons why the “good guys” – the people in favor of abortion rights – lost a lot of ground is that we have been unwilling to talk to women about what it means to abort a baby. We don’t ever talk about babies, we don’t ever talk about what is being decided in abortion. We never talk about responsibility. The word “choice” is the biggest euphemism. Some use the phrases “products of conception” and “contents of the uterus,” or exchange the word “pregnancy” for the word “fetus.” I think this is a mistake tactically and strategically, and I think it’s wrong… It is morally and ethically wrong to do abortions without acknowledging what it means to do them. I performed abortions, I have had an abortion and I am in favor of women having abortions when we choose to do so. But we should never disregard the fact that being pregnant means there is a baby growing inside of a woman, a baby whose life is ended. We ought not to pretend this is not happening. –Judith Arcana “Feminist Politics and Abortion in the US” Pro-Choice Forum (Psychology and Reproductive Choice) Sponsored by The Society for the Psychology of Women.

            You’re welcome

          • Christina Reynolds

            Ridiculous….religious…beliefs….my “religious” beliefs aren’t even related to my stabce, but whatever you say.

            I am pro-CHOICE; and I do everything I can to help people take preventive measures to not need abortions, ever! It’s awesome :)

          • PJ4

            Interesting that you say that your “religious” beliefs aren’t even related to you being a pro abort, yet insist that pro lifers religious beliefs have everything to do with being pro lifer

            I am pro-CHOICE; and I do everything I can to help people take preventive measures to not need abortions, ever! It’s awesome :)

            Why? Is there something wrong with abortion?

          • Nordog6561

            >>Ridiculous….religious…beliefs….my “religious” beliefs aren’t even related to my stabce, but whatever you say.<<

            One need not be religious to be anti-abortion. PJ4 and I are both examples of that fact.

            But I want to offer that whatever one's religious beliefs may or may not be, one's stance on the major issues of the day should be in accordance with those beliefs.

            Otherwise one is not living a unified life. Instead one is living a life fragmented by conflicting thoughts and emotions.

            That's not healthy.

          • Nordog6561

            If you are “pro-choice” you are pro abortion.

            One cannot champion the choice of a thing and be against it at the same time.

            That’s called insanity.

            If you are “pro-choice” then you are a pro abortion Cult of Death ghoul.

            Tell me, just for confidence’s sake: Exactly which abortions do you oppose?

          • PJ4

            Honestly, I think she’s still in high school… poor thing.
            She’s very confused.

          • Prettylady!

            Right, just like you support slavery for those whoCHOOSE own slaves. Christina would own any black people herself, but she supports the rights of those who choose to own slaves. It was legal dont cha know.

          • Lilian

            “Are you really THAT much of a load piece of scum? I wouldn’t even imply that, BUT, you, actually said that. That’s rich! That is really rich.”

            What did you imply, then? If you wish to state your case, clarify your positions and intentions to the readers. Attacks are not arguments. Scoffing is not an argument.

            And that certainly applies to those who are disagreeing with you as well.

          • Christina Reynolds

            Well firstly, since YOU are the ones that implied that I think said slaves would be “better of dead”; I’m actually not in the position to answer FOR a slave. Are there slaves or those that are enslaved that would have rather not been born? That’s probably a very safe assumption. Are there some that are happy they got a chance at living, and thus in some cases were able to help others? Possibly.

            But. You know what they say about assumptions.

          • Lilian

            Well, I didn’t say that to you.

            But thank you for clarifying.

          • Prettylady!

            Whose lives? Christina, are the unborn not lives? You are promoting the killing of lives, but I’m controlling? Interesting how your mind had been so brainwashed by the lies of the feminist movement.

            FEMINISTS, HATERS OF WOMEN

          • Lilian

            This comment does not address the arguments.

          • MamaBear

            Actually, abortion is worse than slavery. Slaves were at least allowed to live. Abortion takes life.

          • Christina Reynolds

            LOL Abortion….WORSE than slavery?? Are you kidding me?! Hold on, let me tell all of the slaves from the past century and plus that they are lucky they weren’t aborted or anything. *eyeroll*

          • MamaBear

            So, you think the world would be better off had Frederick Douglass , Harriet Tubman, and George Washington Carver been aborted? They were all born in slavery.
            You think killing them ALL before birth would have been better than allowing them to live, have children, hope for freedom for themselves or their children, which eventually came? Well, I guess you pro-aborts have the answer to the race problems – genocide!
            Do you realize that abortion is currently pushed so hard on the black community that in some places, such as New York, significantly more black babies are aborted than born?

          • Basset_Hound

            There was also Ethel Watters who was the product of rape

          • Prettylady!

            do you think Fredrick Douglas should have been aborted? What about black people now, Christina, they are born 85% out of wedlock, and have a lower standard of living, why don’t you start a movement to kill more miserable black poeple because CHRISTINA THE ALMIGHTY thinks their lives are not as worthy as white peoples.

            My friends I think we have a real live racist on our hands here…

          • PJ4

            A fetus is a living being, but that can be said for a lot of things; come back to me when you are in support of NO living thing being gotten rid of, in any sense of the word. I bet you can’t do that, honestly.

            A fetus, incase you missed it in my last post is a living human being.

            come back to me when you are in support of other human beings being killed for a matter of convenience.

            I bet you can’t do that honestly.

            Are you really comparing reproductive rights to slavery?

            Are you kidding me? Are you really using the term reproductive rights to hide the fact that it’s just killing babies? I suppose under that guise, infanticide could be called reproductive rights as well.

            You would make the better slave-owner, than I would, honestly.

            You’ve already admitted that might = right, so really, you would make the better slave owner. You believe that the child in the womb is the property of the mother to be taken apart limb by limb and dumped in a biohazard bag out side the abortion mill.

            You are one sick f*ck,

          • Yeah… So, one day (when you’re a grown-up), you’ll realize that using the word “fucker” doesn’t actually support your argument. Until then, can you give an explanation as to exactly why abortion is “NO way connected” to slavery?

          • Christina Reynolds

            I just like to use the word; I know it doesn’t inflate my article in any way, shape, or form. Thanks for the concern, Adam! :)

          • I definitely understand the word’s appeal and I’m not against using. But you still haven’t explained why abortion is in no way connected to slavery. After all, they’re both profitable industries based on destroying human beings without consent.

          • Prettylady!

            Christina means that slavers in the 19th century had the right to CHOOSE to own slaves. if you didn’t choose to own slaves, she is happy that you could do what you wanted with YOUR body, like pick cotton yourself. As for slave owners, they CHOOSE to use their body to sip lemonade and occasional pick up a whip to influence their property.

            She respected the legal procedure of buying black “people” to work to death like animals. Christina is pro choice.

          • Prettylady!

            So I think you ARE intelligent, Christina. And I respect you. Swearing doesn’t hurt me, it makes me think that you can’t argue, but just call names.

            Having said that I have no respect for your ideas. Your use of language like pregnancy and reproductive rights are what abortion promoters use to lie about what abortion is. Abortion, plainly, ends a human life.

            Dodging reality with choice and the ever so bizarre Term, “forced pregnancy” And reproductive rights tells me you can’t talk about the reality of abortion. But, as you admitted, you and your friends and family have all been close to abortion. You know it’s wrong, no matter how you manipulate and mask the truth with phony language of the PRO ABORTION movement.

            You are degrading women with your views, and your views, Christina, are affecting people. You are influencing BAD decisions that hurt people. Stop it!

            I can tell you have been deeply hurt by abortion like we all have.

          • Christina Reynolds

            I actually haven’t been hurt by abortion, but thanks for the wrong assumption. Par usual.

        • PJ4

          Um…yeah, I can say the word abortion? I can actually say I am happy that people have the choice to have an abortion when they would like!

          You’re happy that women choose to kill their children ?
          That’s just sick
          But typical

          Also a fetus is a not a child; the fetus depends on the mother’s body to remain nourished.

          Perhaps a remedial course in Latin would serve you well?

          http://www.latin-dictionary.net/definition/20558/fetus-fetus

          The mother’s body is priority in such a case.

          So you admit that you are a believer in might equals right?
          Excellent
          Not every pro abort can admit that
          Kudos

          Science tells us that ONE sentient, living being goes in to a clinic, and that the POTENTIAL for two may or may not come out;

          Actually science tells us that human life begins at fertilization, that we are living humans–not potential humans.

          Being in the womb is just a stage of development
          Sentience has nothing to with it
          Otherwise it would be ok to murder or rape someone as long as they were rendered non-scentient in some way before hand

          a MAJORITY of the time when abortions are performed are before a fetus even remotely starts looking or acting like the “child” you have referred to, and after this point

          Also, a remedial course in fetal development would serve you well

          By week 4 we have a beating heart,

          Week 5 we have brain development

          Week six and seven we have 10 fingers and 10 toes

          By week 9 & 10 we have a face

          In the word of a very lucrative abortionist:

          Nobody wants to perform abortions after ten weeks because by then you see the features of the baby, hands, feet. It’s really barbaric. Abortions are very draining, exhausting, and heartrending. There are a lot of tears. … I do them because I take the attitude that women are going to terminate babies and deserve the same kind of treatment as women who carry babies … I’ve done a couple thousand, and it turned into a significant financial boon, but I also feel I’ve provided an important service. The only way I can do an abortion is to consider only the woman as my patient and block out the baby. –anonymous abortionist; John Pekkanen. M.D.: Doctors Talk About Themselves (Delcorte Press: New York, 1988) 90-91

          they are generally done in the chance that a mother’s life or the quality of life for the child is being severely affected.

          Another pro abort myth bites the dust

          http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/10/study-ids-reasons-for-late-term-abortions/?page=all

          You’re welcome

          I believe in science and don’t endorse such silly “stork” stories;

          Interesting

          When I was religious I was pro choice

          But then I graduated from high school and took a bunch of courses in biology embryology and genetics my first year in college

          I emerged agnostic and pro life
          I only believe know science..which is why I’m pro life

          You seem decidedly anti-science and you don’t even know basic fetal development.

          keep you’re loaded as fuck questions that accuse me of doing so to yourself. cupcake.

          So now you’re trying to suppress her free speech as well
          Of course you are…you’re a pro abort
          And pro aborts will censor anyone who dares disagrees with them

          • Nordog6561

            >>You’re happy that women choose to kill their children ?That’s just sick<<

            Go ahead.

            Say it.

            You know you want to.

            Ghoul.

          • PJ4

            hahahah, yes, she’s a ghoul.
            There, I said it. :-)
            Happy???

          • Nordog6561

            LOL

            :-)

          • Prettylady!

            Doesn’t fetus mean little one?

          • PJ4
          • Christina Reynolds

            yeah, little…something…good going, you know the latin root of a word, congrats.

          • PJ4

            Only that’s not what it means.

            Again… Remedial Latin for you dearie.

          • Prettylady!

            Stinker

          • Jackie Delgado

            Prettylady, can I message you?

          • Guest

            Or you me?

      • Jessica

        If a woman is raped she should have the choice to have an abortion. Not allowing her the option-(if she wants one)- is telling her that she is going to have to put her life on hold and spend the next nine months reliving the rape. I can’t think of many things more cruel than that.

        • Prettylady!

          Killing her own flesh and blood to help herself get over a rape trauma. That makes sense to you, Jess?

          • Jessica

            Yes that makes sense to me. I could not imagine being raped and being forced to live with the reminder of the rape growing inside of me. Every time I would look in the mirror I would see the reminder of the rape. I could not live with that.

            Any woman that wants to continue a pregnancy from a rape if free to do so if she feels she is able. I just can’t support forcing a woman to under go the trauma that a forced pregnancy from a rape would cause.

          • Prettylady!

            So you would kill your own child so you could feel better. We have come so far in women’s rights!

          • Jessica

            I would have an abortion if I had an unwanted pregnancy from rape or otherwise.

            If it was a pregnancy from a rape, I would not even give the abortion a second thought. I would not want the rapists baby growing inside me. I would feel violated every day I had to spend pregnant with the child from the rape.

            How can you say it is supporting women’s rights to force her to stay pregnant with a pregnancy from rape?

          • Prettylady!

            So you would kill your own child to protect your feelings. Thats scary. Your attitude (common in our psychopathic culture of death) is scary.

          • Jessica

            Yes I would have an abortion if pregnant, even if it wasn’t from a rape.

            However the thought of being forced to carry the rapist’s baby inside me for nine months is cruel and I would view it as another attack. I would feel that I was being violated by the rapist every single day of the pregnancy.

            You do not have to agree with me. I know plenty of women carry the pregnancy from a rape to term and that is great for them. However it is not something I would do.

            If it makes you feel better I would take Plan B so I probably wouldn’t get pregnant anyways.

          • Prettylady!

            It would be your baby too Jessica.Not just the rapists. Did you know that!?

            Theres something in your tone that makes me wonder if you are not quite certain about child murder. Something in your tone tells me you know you would be condemning your own child.

            You aren’t too far gone.

          • Jessica

            But I do not want a baby, especially one that came from rape.

          • Prettylady!

            Is there something that you really love in your life?

          • Jessica

            I have many things I love in my life, Why do you ask?

          • Prettylady!

            Like what?

          • Jessica

            My family
            My friends
            My husband
            My three dogs and two cats
            My job- how many people can actually say they love their job
            The patients I care for at work

            Now I have plenty of material things in my life that I say I love but I could easily replace those so I am not going to include those- unless you really want to hear about them.

          • Prettylady!

            would you sacrifice your life for your husband?

          • Jessica

            Yes and I know he would do the same for me.

          • Prettylady!

            If you had children, would you sacrifice your life for them?

          • Jessica

            I cannot answer that question because I will never have children. It is impossible to imagine myself in that situation because I know that it not something I will ever have or want.

          • Prettylady!

            Do you know anyone who has had an abortion?

          • Jessica

            Yes, I know several women who have had abortions. Do you know any personally?

          • Prettylady!

            I know someone who took the abortion pill, the so-called morning after pill….

            Do you suffer from depression? Anxiety? Compulsive eating?

          • Jessica

            The abortion pill and the morning after pill are two different things.
            The morning after pill is something you can take for 3 days after unprotected sex and it will stop you from getting pregnant.

            The abortion pill RU-486 is one of the two pills you take when you have a medical abortion. They are two different things.

            No I do not suffer from depression, compulsive eating, or anxiety. I am pretty satisfied with my life right now.

            Why do you ask?

          • Prettylady!

            Wait a minute, are you sterile by accident or on purpose?

          • Jessica

            What are you talking about? I do not recall ever saying I was sterile. I said I would love to get my tubes tied but doctors won’t do it because they have told me I might chnage my mind about wanting kids one day.

          • Prettylady!

            Haha! Ok! Merry Christmas sister! I hope you change your mind about the dignity of human life. But it sounds like you have your feminist heals dug in. God bless you and your family!

          • Jessica

            I do not see myself every changing my mind about kids. I want a child free life and I am not going to give that up. I will just keep using my birth control and hoping that I am not unlucky.

            Merry Christmas to you as well.

          • Prettylady!

            Why don’t you want kids? How old are you?

          • Jessica

            I have never wanted kids. I have never seen that kind of life as one I could be happy in.

            I am 28 and I think that should be old enough for a doctor to allow me to have my tubes tied without telling me what might happen one day.

          • Prettylady!

            SIster, I wish you could hear the sincerity in my voice. The expression on my face. I am in no way criticizing you’re dignity as a person, because that is infinite. You are unrepeatable, Jessica. But I’m going to warn you. You are still young. But you are in for a rough ride with your world view.

            I respect you, but I must be honest. Marriage is about self-gift. What is the self? Everything. Body and soul. ESPECIALLY your femininity and his masculinity. Your femininity and his masculinity INCLUDE your natural fertility.

            If you cut that off, from the marital act, the centerpiece and defining aspect of what differentiates marriage from anything else, you are NOT giving yourself totally to him.

            You are only giving part of yourself. And, as I said, a human is whole. There is no partial humans. So if you cut off your fertility from your husband, you are cutting off all of yourself from him. You are not giving yourself from him.

            Dare I say it, but you don’t really love him. I know, it’s harsh, and we have been brainwashed by this materialistic culture. But this is a philosophic reality.

            I wish you all the best, but if you continue holding back from your husband, you are looking at becoming, very quickly, ships passing in the night AT BEST.
            At worst?
            Adultery, homosexuality, pornography, and divorce.

            Ideas matter. That you don’t want to give all of your self to the person you SAID you would die for, then you haven’t a husband. I don’t know what he is.

            I’ve come to really enjoy our chats! Don’t hate me…for what it’s worth….

          • Jessica

            I do not see what is wrong with my world view. I think it is actually
            responsible to use birth control to avoid the need for abortions.

            I want him to have no part of my fertility and he does not want any part of
            it. We both want to stay child free. I am giving myself totally to him and by
            using birth control I am able to do it in a way that neither of us has to worry
            about an unwanted pregnancy.

            How can you tell me I do not really love my husband because I use birth
            control? We use birth control BECAUSE we love each other and we do not want
            either of us to have to deal with the problems caused by NOT using it.

            If he was to try to tell me to have sex without birth control I would think
            it was him who didn’t love me. He would be telling me what I needed and wanted
            from life meant nothing. He would be completely disrespecting my feelings and
            views about children and my future.

          • Prettylady!

            Then you are friends. Why are you married?

          • Jessica

            I do not have sex with my friends. I only have sex with my husband. We are married because we love each other and want to share our life together and we want the same things out of life.
            Do you think people can only be in love if they have kids?

          • Prettylady!

            You can’t love a friend? You can’t share life with a friend?

            Let me ask you this: If marriage is about, well, friends with benefits, never are intending to have children, then we have two levels of marriage, don’t we?

            1) friends with benefits.Kind of like roommates that screw sterilely.
            2) a man and a woman that, through their sex, produce new life.

            Shouldn’t we call the first one something else? Or, if you call the first one marriage, what is the 2nd couple? Super marraige?

            No it’s not super marriage, It’s marriage. Marring that has been the same for thousands of years.

          • Jessica

            I love my friends, but I do not have sex with my friends. I do not think people who want a child free life are wrong. They just want different things and they should not be told their choice is wrong, especially when they are being responsible to avoid they need for an abortion.

            I say we call both of them marriage, otherwise what do you call an infertile woman who is married? Or what about two people who are past the reproductive age and get married?

          • Prettylady!

            THere’s a difference between impotent by accident and impotent by design.

            Did I say a child free life is wrong?

            I’m worried about you lil sis. Ive seen so many divorces from adultery and homosexuality that I get to know the signs.

            But, what am I worried about? The invisible god has just chosen to become a little baby. What’s the good news? We die with him, we are raised with him!!!!!!

            EVANGELIUM!!!!!

            Wait a minute? Why are you chatting with me when you are married? Hmmm…. I must be the most interesting person in the world.

          • Jessica

            My husband is at work and on call today ;(. You have implied a child free life is wrong and trust me using birth control will not lead to divorce, homosexuality, or adultery.

          • Prettylady!

            A purposeful sterile marriage will lead to problems.
            How do you account for 50% divorce rate? Leaving the seat up one too many times? No adultery is the reason for half of all “marriage” failures

          • Jessica

            No staying child free will not lead to problems when both people want that. People with kids get divorced all the time so please stop acting like kids are the secret to a happy marriage.

          • Prettylady!

            Sounds like you have everything under control. God bless you, may you get everything you want in life!

          • Jessica

            Hopefully you get everything you want in life as well.

          • Prettylady!

            To love and serve God is my desire. What other goal could I have. God is life, Jesus is reality, he is existence itself. You and I exist temporarily, but Jesus IS existence.

            He create us. He created us the way HE wants us to be, not the way we want to be. Grasping for ourselves leads to slavery. Isn’t that ironic? We think we are free, but freedom without truth, his truth, makes us slaves. Go figure!

            But the sweet twist is his plans for us, with our fiat, our yes to his plans, far exceed our narrow view of what we want or makes us happy.

            Today, more than any other day, sister, we can prepare a place in our hearts for him to be born again in the flesh, our flesh. Make a manger in your heart for the incarnate word!

          • Guest

            Why would we call marriage anything but marriage? I’d be all for a ‘partnership contract’ for,say, beginning at five years, that did not carry the religious baggage that ‘marriage’ denotes. But people, perhaps, like you don’t really like that idea too much and will always vote against such a thing. It would work in your favor, however, to keep marriage a ‘sacrament’ purely within your belief system, and those of us who are ‘childfree’ or same-sex will not ‘taint’ real marriage with our perversions.

            I have long since discovered that the piece of paper that united us legally was not necessary for us to cleave to each other these lo many years. We would have been together, faithful and devoted, whether we had ever married or not.

          • Prettylady!

            Cleave away, sister…

          • Ella Warnock

            ;-)

          • Guest

            Twenty-nine years I have spent with my dearest love and companion. The love of my life,who treats me like a queen. Never had kids. You know nothing about ‘love,’ my dear. You have not experienced what we have known for 30 years. I truly am sorry for that.You thought that children would be what made your man stay. I know my man stays because of . . . me.

          • Jackie Delgado

            I assume you’ve had a tubal ligation then? Since you never want children, please don’t subject them to you or murder any you make due to your irresponsibility.

          • Jessica

            No I haven’t had one because doctors think they know what I want out of life better than I do and refuse since “I might chnage my mind”. It is frustrating.

          • Jackie Delgado

            Yes, sorry, I read that you already responded to that after I asked. I imagine it’s frustrating and I think it should be your choice.

          • Guest

            i had to agitate for many years to obtain a tubal ligation. Everyone incorrectly assumes that my non-existant biological clock will start clanging uncontrollably and that I will, as all women do (allegedly) ‘change my mind.’ I was sure from the age of 7 that I would not. So, I have complete strangers who felt that they would quite rightly decide that I didn’t really mean what I said, or said what I mean.

            Believe me, my ‘type’ of woman would love nothing more than to obtain permanent sterilization When. They. Asked. For. It. Ah, but no, no, we can’t do that, because you will conform. I didn’t, and I prevailed. It should not have taken 10 years.

          • Jackie Delgado

            I don’t assume that. I do think many women know whether or not they want children and I think it should be their right to decide what steps to take to prevent conception.

          • Guest

            My husband’s vasectomy, on the other hand, was granted 4 weeks after he consulted the urologist. Didn’t even ask me in to discuss or require me to sign off on it. Men, taken seriously at their first word. Unbelievable. Twenty-eight years old and they assumed he indeed knew exactly what he wanted.

          • Jackie Delgado

            I’ve heard that. A married woman needs a husband’s consent for a t.l, but can be snipped whenever he chooses. Gotta love the system.

        • Prettylady!

          If a woman is raped and, through that rape, conceives a child, is that child the raped woman flesh and blood?

          • Jessica

            The child, if born would be part of the woman. However it is still part of the rapist. Why should she be forced to live with that growing inside her? She did nothing wrong to deserve it and why do you think she deserves to suffer more than she already has.

            Have you ever known anyone who was raped? I am really curious because I am just wanting to know if you can understand how it can cause serious trauma to the woman, and if you add a pregnancy on top of that it can have a horrendous effect on her life.

    • Jackie Delgado

      Grow up.

  • Tracy Chapman Schultz

    newborn infants cannot survive on their own without constant care. May I end my newborn’s life? At about what age can a fetus/baby/child be considered free of life support/constant care for survival? That’s the age abortion/murder should be off the table. If we are using that guide, that is..

    • hunterrible

      @tracychapmanschultz:disqus I’m not going to rephrase my above comment – you obviously didn’t read it clearly. The issue of viability has less to do with constant care but the INABILITY to survive. If you click the above link, you’ll see that even doctors do not have a clear understanding of this timing (and it’s changing as technology changes).

      • Prettylady!

        I think if you need electricity, indoor plumbing, cars, jobs, if you depend on farmers and highways, and buildings other people build, you are not viable.

    • Mitzi

      Excellent folly girl :) too bad pro aborts dance around the subject their so proudly supporting.

  • Jackie Delgado

    Why didn’t she “use a rape kit”? ….a rape kit is a process of testing and evidence collecting. Not something to use. Once again, attack the victim when you have no idea what you’re talking about.

    • that1irishmate

      I’m sorry but….whom am I attacking and whose the victim? I couldve sworn that this whole thing started out as a question, a SIMPLE question and only ONE of you answered with a yes/no. Thats all I asked.

      • Martha Genn

        Also I did like your original question as well as the answer. But remember you’re talking with the people discussing it not with the woman nor her husband so their reasons and or motives are not available here.

        • that1irishmate

          Once again, I do not care. Stupid people will be stupid, moving on.

          • Martha Genn

            Agreed

    • Flayer

      The rape kit looks for evidence of sperm…and in this case they would find it – from two “donors.”

  • Mitzi

    Hey here’s an interesting question: when did I bring up religion? Silly pro aborts always showing your desperation. Anyway have a good day.

    • that1irishmate

      ….ugh….okay, I’ll just pretend that this isn’t a pro-life website, and you pretend that most pro life people (if not all) are against it because of “religion”. lulz.

      • Mitzi

        Lulz? Wtf? That’s funny. Just pretend you confused this pro life website with the dim witted nonsense you usually read and we’ll call it a day. Come back once you’ve pulled your head outta your behind and have something relevant to say.

        • that1irishmate

          *Lulz? Wtf? That’s funny. Just pretend you confused this pro life website
          with the dim witted nonsense you usually read and we’ll call it a day*
          >>But it is though, it is as dimwitted as the Blaze, as Fox News, as the GOP/AIPAC.
          “Come back once you’ve pulled your head outta your behind and have something relevant to say.”
          >>So, God is not relevant to this woman coming to the decision of whether or not they should have a child? Huh, interesting. I thought God was relevent in this considering she mentions him like, oh I dunno, like FIVE times? lulz

          • Mitzi

            I didn’t mention religion you piece cow dung and you were replying to me. Pay attention. You wanna tall religion so bad go find a website dedicated to it. For people who are always babbling about “separation of church and state” arguments you all seem to go there when you have run out of arguments. Maybe you should’ve joined the debate team in high school.

          • that1irishmate

            *I didn’t mention religion you piece cow dung and you were replying to me.*
            >>But this isn’t about you is it? And speaking of bullshit, I wonder if your ass gets jealous of your brain with the amount of shit that IT produces.
            *You wanna tall religion so bad go find a website dedicated to it.*
            >>its called the internet, the device your using was created by a gay atheist and….no I don’t want to…”tall” religion. lulz Take your own advice and learn to pay attention before posting please.
            *For people who are always babbling about “separation of church and
            state” arguments you all seem to go there when you have run out of
            arguments.*
            >>But there is no “other” arguments, your religion does not dictate how this country is ran. Our forefathers are literally living proof of this, our constitution is proof. You want to be “prolife” then go to the middle east, I’m sure they would LOVE to HEAR what you have to say, for they TOO are “prolife”. XD
            “Maybe you should’ve joined the debate team in high school.”
            >>you should go back to high school and retake a class in ethics….or do they not teach it in high school. Oh thats right, your have…”values” and “morals”. XD

          • Mitzi

            Yeah ok see ya

          • that1irishmate

            bye bye, crazy!

          • You know, there are better ways of dealing with your insecurity than calling women names–just saying.

          • PJ4

            haha, not for the pro abort male, this guy love to take his anger out on women. Why else would he be a pro abort.
            Did you notice how he didn’t deny writing the article on How to Convince a Girl to Get an Abortion?

          • PJ4

            But this isn’t about you is it? And speaking of bullshit, I wonder if your ass gets jealous of your brain with the amount of shit that IT produces.

            I remember boys saying this back in junior high.

            Are you in junior high? You’ve displayed that much maturity.

            its called the internet, the device your using was created by a gay atheist

            All the better. I love gays and atheists. Gay men love me. They love hanging out with me. Most of my friends are from the LGBT community. Several of them are members of http://www.plagal.org.

            I’ve been called a f*g hag by some of them :-)

            and….no I don’t want to…”tall” religion. lulz Take your own advice and learn to pay attention before posting please.

            Wow, look, if you’re going to be the typo and grammar Nazi, then make sure you have no room for criticism: I’m sorry but….whom am I attacking and whose the victim? I could’ve sworn that this whole thing started out as a question, a SIMPLE question and only ONE of you answered with a yes/no. Thats all I asked.

            Emphasis mine.

            It should be: who’s not whose learn the difference between the two.

            And That’s not thats.

            Possessives: try to understand them.

            But there is no “other” arguments, your religion does not dictate how this country is ran. Our forefathers are literally living proof of this, our constitution is proof. You want to be “prolife” then go to the middle east, I’m sure they would LOVE to HEAR what you have to say, for they TOO are “prolife”. XD

            1. It’s there are no other arguments.

            Or

            There is no other argument (no plural)

            But you’re wrong there.

            There are secular arguments to defend the child in the womb. As a matter of fact, I’d argue that not adhering to any religion has made me and many others pro life or more pro life.

            So where in the constitution do our four fathers guarantee a women the right to kill her child?

            Actually they’re not pro life in the Middle East. In the religion of Islam, abortion is allowed up until the 4th month. After the 4th month, they believe that the soul enters the body of the child in the womb.

            you should go back to high school and retake a class in ethics….or do they not teach it in high school. Oh thats right, your have…”values” and “morals”

            Are you shaming her for her morals and values now?

          • that1irishmate

            Yup, still am and at least its not disingenuous like your post that serves no purpose other than to try and impress me that somehow your part of the LGBT community, and its cute how you try and pass yourself off as someone whose open minded to atheists.

            Attempt at trolling 2/10 ~ ign. Keep trying.

            Why don’t you tip your fedora while your at it, lulz

          • Yup, still am and at least its not disingenuous like your post that serves no purpose other than to try and impress me…

            I don’t think I’ve ever seen PJ “try” to impress someone–it usually just happens naturally.

            …that somehow your part of the LGBT community…

            Pretty sure that having regularly brought women to orgasm counts as a solid set of Bi credentials.

            …cute how you try and pass yourself off as someone whose open minded to atheists.

            Not really familiar with the concept of agnosticism, are you?

            Why don’t you tip your fedora while your at it, lulz

            She does look hot in a fedora–I will give you that.

          • PJ4

            Hahah Adam, you know me too well :-)

          • PJ4

            Yup, still am

            Yes, that’s quite apparent as your maturity level is below that of an average adult.

            and at least its not disingenuous like your post that serves no purpose other than to try and impress me that somehow your part of the LGBT community,

            Cute how you think i want to impress a pro abort homophobe like you.
            Being bisexual, I am indeed apart of the LGBT community.

            and its cute how you try and pass yourself off as someone whose open minded to atheists.

            Interesting how you think I’m not open minded to my own husband.

            You’re attempt at clairvoyancy is boring … well everything about you is boring… but I try to amuse even when faced with mundaneness such as yours.

            Why don’t you tip your fedora while your at it, lulz

            I think fedoras are very sexy, so yes, I think i will.
            *tipping my fedora to you*

          • Basset_Hound

            Wow. Looks like we picked up a couple more cave trolls.

          • PJ4

            Indeed we have a few live ones, but neither of them are very challenging.. indeed the irish guy isn’t even coherent.

            I don’t think he has a very high IQ. Perhaps it’s really not fair for any of us to try to engage him in conversation. He’s obviously not up to par with even my 11 year old.
            Poor Irish mate, I’m beginning to pity him.

          • Basset_Hound

            Do you think it would be worth it to drag out the Weird Al “Word Crimes” clip one more time?

          • PJ4

            Basset dear, you read my mind!

          • Basset_Hound

            I’ll have to get it later. Daughter and her BF are here for a visit.

          • PJ4

            haha, that Christina chick is coming seriously unhinged.
            I’m seriously starting to worry about the people around her.
            LOL

          • Basset_Hound

            Here’s the video for her….it’s the same one someone REFUSED to watch because she just KNEW it was a video about “women as incubators which is bs”…

            Here’s Weird Al for thatirishdude

            and since someone just KNEW what was in my last video, I’m savin’ this one up just for her..

          • Basset_Hound

            What can you expect when we do away with keeping score at sporting events? What can we expect if we tell Little Johnny “That’s ok to think that 2+2 = 6. We know you’re trying, and we don’t want to hurt your feelings. Besides, there’s no such thing as absolutes”. What can we think will happen if we raise kids with no emotional resilience, to think the world centers around their self esteem and their ‘f-e-e-e-l-i-n-g-s’

          • PJ4

            We get a generations of Lena Dunhams, irishmate and that seriously disturbed Christina chick.
            Gross.

          • BS like that is the reason I stopped laughing at “American by birth but Southern by the grace of God”.

            Where I come from, the only PC concession we have is that all players get a trophy at the end of the season. Even then, there are also real trophies that must be earned, so it has no major effect. The participation trophies are merely souviners, after all.

            As for “2 + 2 = 6”, where I come from, we say both of those. First, “that is not the correct answer”, and then, “itʻs okay you got it wrong, you are trying and I will help you understand it”.

          • Basset_Hound

            Exactly, TurtleShroom

          • I’m an atheist Pro-Lifer. Your argument is invalid.

          • Sweetie, the Internet was created by the military during the Cold War. ARPA is an institution, not a person.

            If you are talking about the English gentleman who perfected the idea of the World Wide Web, I am pretty dang sure he wasn’t queer.

          • Martha Benton

            How about this…just drop dead and do everybody on this site a huge favor?

          • no more mr. nice guy

            A mother’s womb was and is by divine design created to always be the safest and most loving place in the Universe. It was never intended to become the most dangerous and deadly place in the Universe.
            When you naturally but temporarily resided in your mother’s womb as a totally innocent and defenseless and voiceless “little one”, were you protected from the most heathen act of barbaric butchery ever known to maleficent men and women?
            Obviously, you were. Why then do you refuse [with vigor and glee] to protect those who come after you in like kind? Is that what love looks like?
            The primary purpose of sex between men and women is procreation of the human race – not the recreation of the human race.
            The solution is forever simple. There is no such thing as an accidental pregnancy. Sex makes babies. There is no such thing as a “stork”. If you don’t want a pregnancy, then don’t have sex or have it with someone you love so much that a pregnancy would be seen as a blessing not a curse.
            Babies are not malignant tumors or abscessed teeth. The only other option is adoption. The first core value in the American Declaration of Independence is LIFE. Abortion is a CRIME AGAINT HUMANITY. And it is inimical to America because premeditated and orchestrated baby killing is always lifeless and lethal.
            When the American Nuremberg comes [and it will come just as day follows night], all those who aided, assisted and abetted in premeditated and orchestrated baby butchering will be forced [pro-choice] to select their own form of butchering or they can choose to be slid down 40′ razor blades during commercial TV breaks until they have all received the justice they have so long deserved. Ultimately, actions will have commensurate consequences. Given that baby butchering is the #1 form of surgery in the USA, even the moronic; malevolent and Marxists couldn’t claim cruel and unusual punishment as an excuse. This will establish the life affirming principle: pick on somebody your own size or bigger!
            Since 1973 the ugly and evil government of the USA has condoned the barbaric butchery of 57 million innocent; defenseless; and voiceless babies. That grotesque figure is 26,000% more death than all the lives lost in all the wars ever fought by America from 1776-2014. And this gargantuan sin was accomplished in 505% less time. Satan is belly laughing!
            Only the evil would term baby butchering as “reproductive health” because “reproductive health” means more not less reproduction. If pregnancy is dangerous to a women’s health, then we should outlaw sex or force pregnancy offenders automatic abortions on every illegal act of sex. Then we can become #1 over China in population elimination and sovereign suicide in light of having been recently passed by them in economic output.

          • The fact that the woman references God is irrelevant to opposing abortion in general. She PERSONALLY uses her religion to overcome the trauma of rape and PERSONALLY uses her faith as justification to save the rape baby, but opposition to abortion is a matter of medicine, not religion.

      • I have heard of Atheists, who bow to no god, oppose abortion on medicinal grounds. Religion has NOTHING to do with why abortion is murder. The independent genetic structure of the unborn is established at conception. A fetus becomes autonomous at the end of the third trimester, and is technically viable at twenty six weeks. (I was born prematurely at twenty seven, and I bet you’d be okay with killing me at that age, right, Irish?)

        The Bible is silent on murdering fetuses, but it does say “thou shalt not murder”. Abortion is murder, because a human who ends the life of another human has commited homicide and, during abortion, infanticide.

        Irish, you’d be wise to Google “Kermit Gosnell”.

        • PJ4

          Actually it’s 23 weeks. And some have survived at 21 and 1/2 weeks.

      • Flayer

        My atheist friends are against abortion because they believe it violates the Constitutional right to life.

  • James Edwards

    You are both idiots.

    • Mitzi

      Seriously James? Are you calling this woman an idiot? Did you read he article?

    • Prettylady!

      Interesting, can you back that up or do you just call people names?

  • LoveTheLeast8

    “It simply stops the egg from getting fertilized and implanting.”

    Do you realize that the egg is already fertilized and conception has already happened when it tried to implant? You admit that it stops implantation which is POST-fertilization effect. Not just preventing conception. I think you lack the scientific understanding of what is going on.

  • Prettylady!

    As what’s her name from The Center fro Bio ethics in Canada says,”there are two types of people:

    1) they don’t know what abortion is (I think there are a lot of people that don’t understand that a woman is “pregnant” with a child, not pregnant with a pregnancy). These people are simply ignorant. Uninformed.
    2) the second are in denial. They have had an abortion themselves, drove a friend, sister, daughter (yikes) to the abortion facility, or have concealed a friend to get an abortion.

    The first needs info. Thats what’s great about the sonograms and pictures and videos of abortion. They simply convey information

    The second are angry and hurt. They need to purge their pain. They know they are wrong but are too hurt and prideful to open their hearts to the truth. They need prayers.

  • mama4

    I have been in the same situation only I wasn’t married I found out I was pregnant by my rapist I choose to keep the baby I was a single 16 year old pregnant from a rape my son is now a wonderful 16 year old couldn’t ask for a better son I am now married with 3 children by my hubby he took my son in as his own
    God gives us challenges but never anything we can’t handle God is good
    You got this good luck

    • Prettylady!

      You are my absolute hero. What courage, what trust, what strength. You have made my day!

      • Christina Reynolds

        ^You’re her hero because apparently pregnant people HAVE to remain pregnant no matter what. Don’t be fooled by this little charade of gratitude.

        • Lilian

          Well, I think mothers of neonates should remain mothers of neonates to the extent of not having them terminated…….. and I think mothers of fetuses should remain mothers of fetuses to the extent of not having them terminated.

          • Prettylady!

            Haha, good point! You are to remain pregnant until, naturally, you stop being with child.

            Let us pro lifers change the language. Women are not expecting. The child has arrived. She is simply inside mommy.

          • Gary Gayisok Whiteman

            re: “I just extend that expectation to mothers of fetuses and embryos” – and *just* consider placing women into involuntary servitude to be completely immaterial. Forcing women to carry thru with a pregnancy is just the beginning of that. Why don’t you *just* get back to us *after* you figure out a way to free women from involuntary servitude without resulting in the death of the fetus that you’re so concerned about?

        • Prettylady!

          Why are you here Christina? You have your “choice?” You can have all the abortions you want. You can high five your pals about how free you are to express your rights by killing your children. Why bother coming here to this site?

          Are you searching for something? Is the emptiness in what we are being sold as freedom finally beginning to weigh on you?

          Why are you here, sister?

    • Prettylady!

      To all: here’s my question:

      Mama4 and Jennifer are to me prolife heros. Who do abortion supporters call heros? What makes them heros?

  • PJ4

    So someone who cannot survive on their own isn’t a human to you?
    Interesting

    • hunterrible

      Nope, did not say that. A fetus that cannot survive WITH life support is not a human to me.

      • PJ4

        To you… but not to science.
        Women do not gestate non-humans.
        Ever.
        You still have not answered me. If we are not human, in our mother’s womb, then what are we? Aliens?
        And most importantly, can you find any scientific evidence to support this claim of yours that we are not human at some point in our lives?

  • MamaBear

    From the article:

    “The rape kit came back negative for HIV, gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis, herpes, and dozens of other things I’d never heard of.”
    BTW No mention of Plan B, either using it and it failed or not using it.

    • Plan B is an abortificant. It alters the lining of the womb so that the fertilized zygote cannot attach to the side and begin to multiply. It is LITERALLY an abortion.

      You are thinking of birth control, which stops a pregnancy being initiated at all.

      You know, like the fourteen of sixteen birth control methods Hobby Lobby approved, while rejecting two abortificants.

      • MamaBear

        Actually, I consider Plan B an abortificant, also. But, the discussion is about a woman raped who had and kept the baby, and I suspect those who cannot understand why she did not abort probably would argue Plan B is birth control.
        Plan B is for after unplanned sex and is commonly given to women in hospitals after rape.

        • Jackie Delgado

          There is no mention of Plan B because I highly doubt this woman would have accepted it.. it doesn’t mean it wasn’t offered

  • Ann

    Beautiful!

    • Lilian

      Yes, it truly is!

  • Mariah Mullen

    It still has the potential to prevent a fertilized egg from implanting–therefore, an abortion pill.

  • Agent 241

    Thank you so much for sharing your story! It is one of the most encouraging articles on this site, and it really blessed me to hear how you trusted GOD the entire way!

    • Jennifer

      Thank YOU for such an encouraging comment.

  • Marynna Berezowski

    Thank you for choosing life and honoring God’s creation. You are an inspiration to the world!

    • Jennifer

      We are greatly blessed.

  • Johnny Ainsworth

    This is such a testimony of courage and encouragement. As simple as it sounds, choosing life gives life.

  • Mark R.M. Holmstrand

    There are no gods.

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  • Prettylady!

    Clap clap clap! The modern! We are all gods hoping to use our own little power to get our truth realized! The sad sad lost modern.

    So answer me this, is it THE TRUTH that there is no truth?

  • kcsummer

    Both Baby and Dad (not the bio dad) are keepers

    • Jennifer

      Indeed.

  • sikathelibsheet

    Maybe I missed something, how does she know the child is not her husbands. I didn’t see any mention of a DNA test.

    • Jackie Delgado

      Keep reading.

    • Jennifer

      Timing of the pregnancy (and the husband’s vasectomy eight years ago.)

  • Marta Altheide

    It is not possible to enlighten those in the dark. In the dark they will stay and spend eternity there also. Praying for them, they need our prayers. Eternity is forever.

    • Jackie Delgado

      You’re right. It’s a waste of energy going back and forth slinging ever more childish insults at each other. No one is going to change their position nor does it benefit anyone.

  • AnnaMarie Ball

    Thank- you f or sharing this wonderful happily ever after.

    • Jennifer

      Thank you :)

  • This woman is truly honorable and selfless above and beyond the call of duty. She will receive special glory in Paradise for her sacrifice.

    I, personally, believe that anortion should be illegal except in all cases

    • Prettylady!

      Yes! Except in all cases! Well put, haha!

    • Jennifer

      Great comment!

  • Grandmama 16

    Beautiful story….precious baby. So proud of them for sharing it.

    • Jennifer

      ~ smile

  • Prettylady!

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    The Church Fathers were fond of describing Mary as the new Eve, the new mother of all the living. In fact, some say the angel’s “ave” (“hail”) reversed “Eva.”

    What was Eve’s problem? Eve grasped at the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, claiming along with Adam that she would be the criterion of right and wrong, that her will would determine the nature of the good. Every one of our spiritual and moral problems flows from this primordial sin. But when Mary says, “Let it be done to me according to your word,” this spiritual momentum is stopped and then reversed. It is this reversal that allows Christ to be born into the world.

    Meister Eckhart noted that every Christian has the vocation of Mary, to bring Christ to birth. We each do this in our own ways and styles, according to the exigencies of our unique vocations. But we do this, Eckhart saw, the same way Mary did: by abandoning our projects and plans, our sense of the good life, and acquiescing to God’s purpose working through us.

  • ward

    GOD bless you, I am sure you earned a ticket to heaven and a blessed life on earth from GOD !

  • ykcpeggy

    What a beautiful testimony for life!! God definitely put you with a great Pro-life doctor! Dr. Greg Brannon delivered my 3rd child 17 years ago. He was so loving to us when we miscarried twice after that. He held me when I cried and told me of his own pain when his wife had miscarriages. They subsequently adopted 3 adorable little girls from China and now have 7 kids! God takes our pain and uses for a greater good.

    • Jennifer

      Yes! This baby was our third delivered by Dr.Brannon. He knew the entire situation and spent a lot of time encouraging me through the tough times, visited me in the hospital (I spent a LOT of time there), and never missed an opportunity to call my husband a hero. I’ve referred all my girlfriends to him. He’s the best!

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  • Ezell Griffin

    Wow..!! That made my day!..Even before he calls you “mom”,your son is already blessed..You are the kind of woman the bible talks about!Your husband is ” a man after God’s own heart….

    • Jennifer

      Thank you. God bless you.

  • Rabia Amin

    Great that she chose this but I have seen many ladies decide the same as her but treat their child like a raper later on……if u choose to have the child that’s great but ur duty is not done there u have to get up everyday see ur child’s face be a mother to him/her! And once they are older and ask question u have to tell them the truth…. you have to take care of them when they know the truth and tell them the reason why they are here you will never forget your story and niether will your child. It’s not just ur life that this affects it’s ur child’s to so before u make this decision be sure that u can be the best mother to ur child because I have seen to many mothers choosing life but then also taking it Away by not being able to take care of them and treating them with hate hate and/ or telling Them where they came from and not taking care of them. Just remember choosing to give birth doesn’t makes u a saint Choosing To Be A Mother Everyday Does!

    • Prettylady!

      Are you advocating mercy killings? You seem to be saying that rabia is the final judge on who is worthy to live and die. Hitler said the same thing. Shame on you. In your fake compassion, you murder a child.

      This is how eugenics works. Hitler said that Jew’s lives were not worth living so he would liberate them from their miserable lives.

      You hold hitlers viewpoint. Sorry to be so direct but your views are hitlers and stalins and all the tyrants of the world. Wake up

  • Olivia Loving

    just wanting to say, this is an older couple as well… a lot of people that are ok with abortion for rape goes for more of the 12, 13, 14, 15 year old girls who are in need to be in school and not capable of handling a child since they are a child themselves still. Yes, i am glad this couple is ok with keeping a child that was concieved by rape. but i know that this lady will be reminded everyday of her rape and remembering everything the rapist had done to her. those scars are there no matter what i know, but with a baby of the rapist is much harder than aborting. it will never be easy no matter what. and i hope and pray that this family really is happy and doesnt take the rape out on him in the long run.

    • Jackie Delgado

      You’re making an assumption. Have you ever spoken to women who have conceived through rape? Often the woman feels connected with the child in a very visceral way, feeling as though they were both victims. Many times the woman will say she was in a very dark place after and finding out about a baby changed the course of their life for the better. To take stock. Do your research. There have been articles written and documentaries filmed. Otherwise it’s just ignorance.

      • Jennifer

        Don’t be bratty. She’s just voicing concern. :p

  • Kymber Lee

    He’s Beautiful.

    • Jennifer

      He is. Thank you. ❤

  • Prettylady!

    So, in the antebellum south, would you have respected the “choice” of southern slave owners to own other human beings.

    Slave owners owned black’s bodies. So, ending slavery was an infringement on “their bodies.”

    Human life has dignity. Just because a human life is younger, smaller, different, and not able to hold a job (i.e., fetus or embryo, still a human life…)

    YOU CANT KILL OR OWN IT!!!!!

  • Prettylady!

    I love your abuse of language! Whose body are you talking about? the womans? or the little girl growing in the woman? There are two bodies that enter an abortion mill, one walks out, one leaves in trash bag.

    Storks don’t deliver babies, friend.

  • mjeanns

    It is because of Faith in GOD that people can do these amazing things!
    And I pray that the rapist has been caught.

  • WhatTheHuh

    i have a question… how did she know it wasnt her husband’s baby?

    • Jackie Delgado

      I doubt these people are idiots. I’m sure if that were a possibility it would have been taken into account. If she was on a business trip prior, and it’s likely they weren’t intimate for a while after the assault, the timing would make things obvious.

  • cpop

    You all should be ashamed of yourselves. This article didn’t bash any pro-choice people, nor did it spout pro-life propaganda. Maybe this article was written specifically for women who have also experienced this trauma? Maybe this person was really just trying to help other women? Not EVERYTHING has to be let’s bash the right, or the left. You people are so petty. I am a rape survivor with a child from the incident. I have been having a hard time lately and reading this reminded me that I am not alone. You all should put this energy into something productive.

    • Angelique Guardiola

      You are a beautiful, amazing woman!! I could only pray for your courage and bravery. There are going to be hard times. Keep going and focus on the future. Find a post traumatic stress councelor. Mine helped me tremendously. Do give up, never quit, always find that little bit of strength to get you to the next day and you will. You will over come this pain. Everytime your baby smiles at you be a reminder of that. :)

      • Jackie Delgado

        Did you just switch personalities?? Where is that support and encouragement from you for the woman in this article?!

        • Just call me Ang

          Quit stalking me.

          • Jackie Delgado

            I’ll try but I make no promises. You’re just so delightful.

      • Jennifer

        Thank you. I’m seeing someone now. It’s making a huge difference (as are those smiles you mentioned!) ❤

    • Jackie Delgado

      That’s exactly right!!!! Where is the condemnation or judgment in this? There isn’t any. The point was merely to share her story. To encourage and uplift and, yes, remind women in her situation that they are not alone. The hate and vitriol on this thread is appalling.

    • Jennifer

      I’m so thankful for this comment. It wasn’t at ALL intended to bash anybody or push any agenda. I simply wanted to support and encourage. That’s it. I really thought that came across. I think the people who thought differently wanted to think differently. Bless you.

  • bananarma

    This woman and her husband are incredible for seeing the light in such an awful situation, and I admire them for that. However, not all women could do what she did. Not all women could carry her rapists baby inside of her for 9 long months. Not all women could raise a child that is a constant reminder of her shame and violation. What this woman did was amazing and should be commended, but we can’t expect all women to do the same thing. A woman should have the right to abort the fetus if she cannot bear to carry it. It’s not up to us to judge a woman’s pain or tell her what is “right,” for there are many different definitions of the word.

  • just don’t go there

    My point of view is, I am pro life for myself. I could never have an abortion but I don’t feel it is my right to tell another woman what she can do with her body. She is the one who has to meet her maker, not me. Besides, if we want to bring religion into wouldn’t we be more Christian to not judge all individuals but to love them as Jesus did, regardless of sins?

    • Prettylady!

      Whose body? The woman’s or the little girl growing inside the woman? What has religion to do with killing a innocent little girl?

    • MamaBear

      And if a child is aborted is he/she being loved like Jesus loved?

      Jesus said whoever harms a little child, it would be better a millstone was thrown around his neck and he be thrown into the sea.

      God tells us in Proverbs to
      “Rescue those who are being taken away to death;
      hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.
      If you say, “Behold, we did not know this,”
      does not he who weighs the heart perceive it?”

      The passage about judging is in Matthew 7. I really suggest you read the entire chapter, not just the first few words.

  • Eric Burleson

    This entire story is predicated on the assumption that the couple had a CHOICE. I applaud them for their decision.

    Suppose, however, that they decided they didn’t want to keep the child. Is it better that the government prosecute them for murder? Or that they be forced to raise a child they either can’t afford or resent?

    I believe the government has no role in this choice. Free-thinking individuals are better equipped to decide with the right information than the government. At any rate, government force shouldn’t ever be the answer. A compassionate, loving, and supportive response from a person’s community will do much more to help a person decide what’s right than a heavy-handed government edict.

    • Prettylady!

      I guess slave owners were “pro choice.”

      Abortion, like slavery, is an unjust law.

      You have to study biology and will conclude, because I can tell you like to study, that human life begins at conception whether you like it or not.
      The child did nothing wrong.

      The rapist needs to be punished. But don’t give the child the death penalty

      • Eric Burleson

        They probably shouldn’t have even discussed it together. It would have been better if they had told the government that she was pregnant and let it decide what was best for their family. Then they wouldn’t have had to make a choice, because the choice would have been decided in the courts! Thank goodness the courts always make the right decision.
        If they’re lucky, the biological father won’t sue for rights to visitation. He could, because the courts believe that a father should have the right to visit their child, and there is precedent for granting that right to a rapist.

  • Cindy A.

    Let’s hope that whatever made the father of this baby a violent criminal is not genetic, because I doubt the people applauding the mother’s decision will let this kid off the hook in 15 or 20 years if he inherits his father’s underdeveloped conscience. I have doubts as to whether this story is even true…I suspect it is made up…but any woman in a similar situation should not be faulted should she choose not to go through with such a pregnancy.

  • bernieclare

    Too bad this mom can’t share and celebrate her choice without condemning women who aren’t lucky enough to have her health, support network, freedom and finances.

    • Jackie Delgado

      Did you read the article? Her health was terrible. As far as support goes? Her father and brother haven’t spoken to her in nearly a year. Financially? The family had to move to a lower income area, pawn the woman’s wedding ring, and just had a car repossessed.
      Assumptions are dangerous. Sharing a story does not equal condemnation. We call that: conviction.

    • Jennifer

      No condemnation.

  • Stephanie Ketcham

    Bless her for doing this, but I never could. :( I think if this happened to me I’d be damned either way, I’m pro-choice but abortion isn’t something I could ever do….unless maybe I was raped? Maybe my mind would change if I were actually PUT in that position, but I just don’t think I could go through with having a baby through those means..

    • Prettylady!

      Why would you kill your own child just because you were raped? What sense does that make? Explain it, I must be slow.

      • Stephanie Ketcham

        It’s going to be a long comment, but I’ll try. And please don’t turn into a bitch after reading this, there’s no need.

        Sex scares me, a lot. Rape scares me even more, to the point I’d rather be killed than raped. Also I’ve always hated children. I never had the patience to deal with them to begin with and I knew I’d be a bad mother. I felt like if abortion were illegal I’d strangle the rape child the second it was born just so I wouldn’t have to breath the same air as it.

        Then, a year ago I became pregnant by my longterm boyfriend and while I was so afraid I cried throughout most of the pregnancy, abortion never crossed my mind. Two months ago I finally got to meet my baby girl and things changed. I became more patient all around, especially towards kids and I finally understood why a parent would give up their own life for their kids. So with that new feeling, I realized…maybe I couldn’t abort the baby? Before I was pregnant I had no doubt in my mind I’d abort a rape baby (and maybe a consensual baby..?) because I wouldn’t want proof that I had been raped, selfish I know but life would be easy if we could decide how we feel right?

        Now I’m not sure if I could because
        I know what it’s like to love your child, but because of my fear of rape and labor I don’t want to go through it all again. Why carry a baby full term and have it up for adoption? I know adopted people and all of them were severely abused and some raped as children, which, to me, is more heartbreaking then a dead baby. And lastly, while at first abortion would be a big thing on my mind I know that if I gave myself time, I’d learn to love that baby, and for a reason I don’t know, that scares me too.

        Bottom line is, it’s down the middle. I really don’t know what I would do. Like I said, I know my thoughts on it are all over the place, but it’s how I feel and I can’t change it.

        • Jackie Delgado

          Easily one of the most honest responses I’ve read. I sincerely hope you aren’t attacked for this comment because it’s so brave and raw. The truth is, until we’re in that situation , we CAN’T know what we’d do. Not really.
          Congratulations on your new baby girl. Enjoy this precious time.

        • MamaBear

          We often don’t know what we can do until we are faced with it.
          I haven’t been through rape, and although I have children, all were wanted by me ad their dad.
          But, currently, and for the last several years, I’ve been fighting cancer. I recently had to switch to a stronger treatment. I get through by taking everything one day at a time and trusting God. If I think long term, it is terrifying.
          Try handling your fears in smaller bits, one day at a time. It really helps to keep you from feeling overwhelmed.

  • Jax

    If it were me, I would have aborted.

  • Prettylady!

    MERCY KILLING HUH!?!?! Who are you to determine who gets to live and die? Thats hitler, thats tyranny thats slave owners.

    Humans are moral animals, able to choose right from wrong.

    We don’t put down humans like dogs. Shame on you.

    Ideas matter. Mindsets matter.

    Your mindset is that KELLI will deal out death as she sees fit. Kelli will be the final judge and executions. Kellie will have a say of who lives and dies.

    Thats tyranny, thats hitler mindset. Shame on you change your life

    • Martha Genn

      There is a difference between a mercy killing and a very personal life and death choice for a woman that should not be raced towards but taken for what it is, Do I fully condone abortion? If a woman is using it as the ONLY form of birth control NO. If the fetus is at such a stage in development that it can live fairly normally outside the mother ( with or without life support ) and then NO. But there are mitigating circumstances that may cause a woman to NEED that decision, then that is a decision between a woman and her Doctor ( and in most cases HER version of GOD ) not any one else. It is NOT any one else’s body but hers and NO ONE can make that decision for her. Criminalizing abortion won’t stop it it will just cause more deaths.

      • Prettylady!

        Don’t you see your arguments are so weak?

        How many parts of your desperate attempts at reason do you want me to disect>? Lets take this:

        Criminalizing abortion won’t stop it it will just cause more deaths.

        Yes, and neither do shop lifting laws, or rape, or murder.

        You want to rationalize your murderous callous woldview in an a tired stance of “women’s personal choice”

        • Martha Genn

          Shoplifting,rape and murder laws do not increase the amount of these crimes that are committed, they do however decrease the frequency of these crimes. Criminalizing abortion will however increase the death rate from abortions as has been historically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

          • Prettylady!

            Prove this friend. You and your flunky pro contraceptive abortion 70s feminists made this up. PROVE IT

            What a joke. I like this. Thousand of women (for you see, we must have sex to capture MR. Right), who have no control over their sex drive, get pregnant , can’t kill their children legally, so thousands upon thousand end up in the morgue.

            This is a flat out lie. PRoVE IT PROVE IT PROVE IT Feminist

      • Prettylady!

        Don’t you see your arguments are so weak?

        How many parts of your desperate attempts at reason do you want me to disect>? Lets take this:

        But there are mitigating circumstances that may cause a woman to NEED that decision, then that is a decision between a woman and her Doctor ( and in most cases HER version of GOD ) not any one else.

        Lets replace owning slaves in your emotional reasoning:

        But there are mitigating circumstances that may cause a slave owner to NEED that decision to own slaves, then that is a decision between a slave owner and her Slave dealer ( and in most cases HER version of GOD ) not any one else.

        Sounds pretty bad to me.

        • Martha Genn

          Bringing unwanted children into this world is creating more slave labor and forcing a woman to carry an unwanted pregnancy is actually dictating to her so YOU are in fact condoning slavery with every one of these pleas that I understand your selfish views.

          • Prettylady!

            Please. go back to the 70s boomer

    • Delani

      For the record, the bible itself condones slavery, and actually has a min-rule book included on how to treat said slaves and their families, and the situations in which you can free them.

      • Prettylady!

        What record are you trying to establish? What has the bible to do with any of this?

        Are you trying to lead this argument to the bible? Why? Are you unable to argue the pro abortion case without bashing Christians?

        • Delani

          Wasn’t bashing Christians. Just stating a fact.

      • Jackie Delgado

        No, the Bible does not condone slavery. The Bible acknowledges slavery’s existence and regulates it in the Old Testament and plants the seeds of its demise in the New.

        • Delani

          Slaves are given to a multitude of God’s best and brightest, Noah, Abraham, and Isaac are a few. I listed this already for someone else, I think there were a few other examples, but I’m not at home. Perhaps giving the good book another read would be a start. Slave giving is pretty common place in most of the old testament, so it’s not hard to find.

          • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

            Delani, there are many places where the Bible simply records history. It gives whatever facts are relevant: the good, the bad, and the ugly, even about its heroes. There is no white washing. Adultery, rape, rage, cowardice, incest, disobedience, covetousness, double dealing – it’s all there. That doesn’t mean it is endorsing or promoting any of those sins, nor is it endorsing slavery. Slavery is simply something that was practiced universally. God’s top priority when it comes to mankind is not creating a paradise on earth (He already did that once) by ‘fixing’ our institutions. His priority is in redeeming us as individuals from our sin nature and nurturing an unencumbered relationship with Him. You rightly state that abortion is a reality that has existed since ancient civilization, and from that you draw the conclusion that it must be something we should just accept as normal. Slavery has also existed since ancient times, and is still around today, but I don’t think you would accept that, would you? That is inconsistent.

          • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

            I responded to this comment but it didn’t show up. Too sick to stay on the computer now, but recording facts is not the same as condoning. Universal practice. Just as with divorce, the rules are given to mitigate the effects. The heroes of the Bible are shown honestly, not as perfected people, but with their faults and sins as well as their good points. I don’t think Noah had a slave, at least not after the flood. During some periods and in some places, slaves were considered as part of the household, almost like distant relatives. Some people sold themselves into slavery to escape poverty. Sometimes slavery was temporary. Most slaves lived miserable lives and still do, as slavery still exists.

          • Delani

            I think you may have missed what I was saying, not that they owned slaves before, they were given to them as rewards for their service. I spent a large amount of time memorizing the bible as a kid, one of the reasons I lost my faith, actually, and I still read it regularly. There’s a lot of things that are unsavory by our modern standards.

          • Delani

            I’m not saying anything bad about you there, I just sincerely think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. :) I don’t despise or hate pro life people, and I don’t come on these boards to hate or troll. I just actually enjoy a good debate. (I’m adding this disclaimer because some people on this discussion apparently thought I was talking down to them, and I really wasn’t. )

            Anyway, I hope you feel better, as you mentioned you were sick.

    • Tina

      Shame on you for shaming others for having their own opinion!!

      You my dear are sick and should seek medical attention immediately! Change your life!

      • Tina

        Oh wait wait, no need to comment back either. I already know what you’re going to say, I’m evil and have a hitler mindset. Shame on me I should change my life right? Lol You’re a joke!

        • Prettylady!

          No, you are just shaming me. Thats not so bad! I think we could be freinds. Whats’ your favorite sport!?

      • Prettylady!

        How dare you shame on me for shaming others! Shame on you! (this is fun!)

      • Prettylady!

        So a child, a human being, is an opinion. I thought you didn’t want to look like Stalin….

        • Tina

          No, whether or not it is right or wrong. For example, in my “opinion” it is wrong, but under certain circumstances (such as rape) I don’t think it is. I believe we should all have the right to our own bodies. What I don’t like is when women go around, have unprotected sex, get pregnant and think they can just have abortion after abortion at no cost (referring to Canadian’s in this matter). I don’t feel that’s it’s right for them to be able to do this so easily, although I do still believe it should be their choice.

          • Prettylady!

            What difference does it make rape or contraceptive (57 million is not rape resultant, abortion is contraception)? To you, if a child is hidden in the womb, it doesn’t exist, it’s not human, so who cares what reason for digging it out and throwing it in the trash?

          • Prettylady!

            It’s either a human life worth defending of trash…

      • Prettylady!

        Shame on you for shaming me for shaming someone else!

  • Angelique Guardiola

    I have a question. I’m pro-life. I understood what Irish was saying, would we judge the woman IF she had an abortion? My answer for me personally, would be no. If she was my friend I would love her unconditionally. There are ALOT of emotions, fears, and chemicals unbalancing after a traumatic event. I’m glad she was in a right state of mind, to make a healthy decision for herself. However, if none of you had been raped, beaten, tortired, gang rape, or in any way abused emotionally, physically, or mentally. Who are you to judge, pass judgement on, and degrade. If you HAVE been through any of the up above you would have compassion, sympathy, and kindness to anyone that went through such a traumatic event.

    • Angelique Guardiola

      Tortured*

    • Prettylady!

      This is the half truth of abortion. All the emotion. The single mom, the poor mom, the mean dad, the 5 other kids, the rape….All the stories of misery. All sad. But do you know what gets lost?

      The raw fact that you are destroying an innocent human life. Thats how abortionists get you. They are magicians. Evil cannot create. It can only distract you and confuse you.

      Dont, literally throw the baby out with the bathwater sister…

      • Angelique Guardiola

        Question. Not trying to start an argument. So you have had an abortion or have had someone you love have one? To me you are dissuading from the original question. People who have an abortion for birth control are NOT the same as people who have had an abortion due to a traumatic event. I promise you, they are not only going through hell at the present time, but will go through hell everyday for the rest of
        their life. These people need not be judged but loved. It’s a tragedy on both ends. Until, you have had a loved one cry on your lap for months(even years) to come, or have gone through this issue yourself do not classify them as monsters who have no respect for human life. They are a lost, hurting, grief stricken soul.

        • Prettylady!

          I can’t be more clear than I already have.

          Abortion is never justified. It is the killing of the most innocent human life.

          I a’m surprised at you, Ang. This is the mother’s flesh and blood. The little girl is HER child. Not a stranger. Her flesha nd blood.

          But in your, misdirected compassion, you would have her kill her own child.

          Thats an evil that’s hard to express. Kill a child, but wrap it up in compassion.

          Shame on you. Change your life.

          • Just call me Ang

            Omg!! Again you are dissuading from the original question. Nobody is asking you whether abortion is right. Nobody is asking for your opinion on options due to a traumatic or moral event. What is being asked is once it’s done, would a person show compassion and be nonjudgmental? Shame on you for not knowing what a TRAUMATIC events does to a person. This person WILL have to live with ‘KILLING’ her baby for the rest of her life! Which yes, in my opinion is YET ANOTHER traumatic issue they will have to deal with. How do you know, once everything starts to heal and she is thinking more clearly she won’t be an advocate to have other woman NOT have an abortion? Get a grip!

          • Prettylady!

            What is being asked is once it’s done, would a person show compassion and be nonjudgmental?

            I don’t really know what you are getting at. If a person killed someone, yes, a healthy conscience will tear at them until they confess.

            Shame on you for not knowing what a TRAUMATIC events does to a person.

            Has this happened to someone you know?

          • Prettylady!

            However, if none of you had been raped, beaten, tortired, gang rape, or in any way abused emotionally, physically, or mentally. Who are you to judge, pass judgement on, and degrade. If you HAVE been through any of the up above you would have compassion, sympathy, and kindness to anyone that went through such a traumatic event.

            Has this happened to someone close to you?

    • Jackie Delgado

      And yet, we have NO trouble judging this woman for not having an abortion.
      A fascinating double standard.

      • Just call me Ang

        LOL! People on here are seriously freaks. Not anywhere does it say ANYTHING negative about this woman. There are various topics to discuss about this post, if that wasn’t clearly evident. She IS NOT judged and very much so applauded, if you must have to see someone write it down in black and white. What a fascinating assumption I thought was so evidentially clear.

        • Jackie Delgado

          You’re joking, right? That must be what the huge “LOL” was about. Did you miss the comments that accused her of lying? Or the many that assume she’s being judgmental and sanctimonious?? Wow.

          • Just call me Ang

            Did you not respond to my comment? Well maybe I jumped the gun on that. My apologizes.

          • Jackie Delgado

            ??

  • Martha Genn

    She chose to keep it because she and her husband talked it through and made a decision they both felt was right. They now have a beautiful baby boy. Why bring them into this they made a wonderful thing from an ugliness it’s everyone else trying to use it for their personal agendas that are the issue here.

    • that1irishmate

      Doesn’t matter to me anymore. As long as it was by consent, thats not the issue I had with this, it was how they are using this couple as an “example” to push their own agendas. “SEE!!! THESE COUPLE DID IT!!! NOW WHY CANT YOU!?!?!??!!” But no one will see this and I’m wasting my time any who.

      • Martha Genn

        I saw, but I am already pro choice. It’s great that this couple could and did make this choice makes for a very touching story, however their reason do not apply to every case. I applaud women who are strong enough and and stand outraged for those that make the decision to terminate; Those outside the situation do not have the right to judge anyones decision to terminate when it’s not their bodies in question.

        • that1irishmate

          Well put, mame.

    • Jackie Delgado

      I agree wholeheartedly. Leave this family alone. They haven’t shamed anyone or tried to push any agenda. Why are they on trial?

  • Becky

    It was a terrible thing to happen and I pray Women are protected from such horrible beings. I notice so many persons seem to have ideas on what a woman should do after rape. So many opinions and everyone has a right to have a point. I call upon every one who have ideas on how or what a woman should do in any case, to have ideas on how men should behave in society. Men without self control Listen carefully. Simply because no one is watching, u decide to throw your sperms all over the place and in most cases where they are list welcomed, its a shaming practice. Men all over the world Join in the fight for decency. Talk to your fellow men on how to behave and have self control with their organs. Its very bad to engage in an act which create innocent children and mother to suffer and you can not correct it or say sorry to the very people hurt.
    I would like to thank your Husband for being so understanding and not play a blame game as most people do and mostly men including rapists who blame their victims for their loss of humanity in them. SAY NO TO RAPE WITH ALL WORDS THAT COME FROM YOUR MIND. PREVENTION IS BETTER THAN CURE.

  • chixbchgirl

    Glad she had the choice to choose whether she wanted to abort or proceed with the pregnancy.. Very fortunate she had financial means, a husband, and medical insurance. Many rape victims do not have these means at their disposal. Respect their right to choose what is best for their circumstances.

    • Jackie Delgado

      Do you know this woman? Are you aware of her finances? Her medical insurance? Yes, she has a supportive husband and that’s great but don’t I don’t think we should assume her life is smooth sailing based on this choice.

  • Todd

    If this is true feel very sorry for this lady. Horrible story. But, this story sounds fishy and I’m not buying it at all. The lady in question has a rape kit performed on her and they are checking for various diseases but nothing is done to account for pregnancy. Hello, RU482 or something else to account for the pregnancy aspect. I’m guessing that’s a MAJOR oversight. I think it’s a ‘feel good’ story. Sorry if it really happened though.

    • Jackie Delgado

      How do you know she wasn’t offered the morning after pill and declined? Many Christians consider that to be an abortifactant.

      • Todd

        You are correct. I don’t know. Although, it’s not mentioned in the story so you are not 100% sure either. If she did decline, she’s a better person than I. There could be a multitude of things that can happen from having the baby, including her death or complications. Not to mention the fact that the child is a life-long reminder of a horrible event.

        • Jackie Delgado

          Clearly she doesn’t see the child that way. And yes. I know.

          • Todd

            Yep, clearly.

        • Jackie Delgado

          And this is 2015. The likelihood of her dying in childbirth is pretty slim, especially given the fact that she had already had four children.

          • Todd

            Congratulations on knowing the year! Yes, perhaps ‘pretty slim’ but that still acknowledges that there is a chance which is not smart to do when, you know, it’s the baby of a rapist. I mean, if there’s a slim chance to get hit by a train walking across the tracks and 100% chance you won’t get hit by not crossing, you don’t cross to have the highest percentage of living. Also, the baby could grow up to be a rapist. You never know? And then the lady would have a baby from a rapist that grows up to be a rapist. Now, she’s the mother of a rapist. Wow, the irony in that? Anyway, that could have been taken care of but she obviously chose not to do anything; if this story is even true.

          • Jackie Delgado

            Yes. Bearing life and crossing train tracks is pretty much the same thing. Brilliant analogy. And it isn’t smart if “it’s” the baby of a rapist? HE is her baby too. And an innocent, by the way.
            As far as her choosing not to do anything? She chose to carry her son, give birth, and welcome him into the family with great love and joy.
            You know, IF it’s true. Because most women lie about being raped. Just for fun.

          • Todd

            Dearest Jackie,

            Thanks for agreeing with me regarding the concept of certainty vs. a risk no matter how small it may be. It was a brilliant analogy. I put it in simple terms so your tiny brain could understand it. I’m glad you agree it worked.

            Now, to your point regarding ‘if’ it’s true because I still have doubts about the story. Not that ‘most women lie’ as you sarcastically indicate, it was that the story might be fake for sake of a good story, not the act. If you are indicating that lies about rape don’t occur, you are even more stupid than I think. Because, some lies occur in situations like that.

            I was going to end this in a civil manner but your latest rambling rant has made me choose otherwise.

            Now, onto our little discussion we’ve been having. I was going to let our discussion go when I replied a few responses ago and said ‘Yep clearly’. It was a way to acknowledge that you had your point and I had mine. To end the discussion acknowledging that both sides had their positives and negatives. Then, you couldn’t comprehend that. You had to push by putting another comment trying to make a further point and not drop it. It doesn’t surprise me because you are an ignorant sloppy just been f’d c*nt.

            Look, we can continue to go back and forth both trying to make witty comments and feel that you got the upper hand on the other. We can continue that for days. But, I’ll end this because I’m smarter than you and it appears you would continue as would I. But, I have realized that and your druid self cannot. So, woman, I’ll make the decision for you. I’m done arguing with you. (Which is fun.)

            Speaking of arguing, you know arguing with someone on the internet is a lot like the Special Olympics. You may win but you’re still retarded. I will not read your response so, respond away and do like you’ve always done, waste people’s time as well as yourself.

            Have a good night you drippy c*nt with your floppy meat curtains. HA! HA! :)

          • Jackie Delgado

            Classy.

  • Tiffany Amend

    Personally I couldn’t keep the child- I would however maybe consider carrying it to give up for adoption- to some loving and deserving parents- my pain could become someone else’s joy- that’s how I would like to think I would handle it anyhow-

  • Morrison Braddock

    I had no idea that God uses violence and rape as a way of delivering gifts to his followers. Amazing. I had assumed, God being all knowing and all powerful, the “gift” would be to stop the violence in the first place. Maybe we should consider decriminalizing rape, being that God uses that experience to bless his flock with beautiful babies.

    • Jackie Delgado

      It’s called free will. That’s why there is evil in the world. If you’re going to bash Christianity, you should probably educate yourself further on its beliefs. Nowhere and in no way was there an insinuation that the rape was a positive thing. But good can come from bad. That’s what God does. I hope you’re just trying to ignite an argument with such a childish comment though that behavior doesn’t speak much to your character either.

      • Morrison Braddock

        I didn’t “bash” Christianity Jackie. God either knew this rape was coming and allowed it to happen, or God was powerless to stop it, or he had no idea it was going to happen. I think you are wrong about it being a positive thing – the writer clearly expressed this baby as a “gift” to her and her family. I expressed that I felt God’s delivery method of this gift was odd.

  • T-Mugg

    It is exactly that…The sins of the father. If she chooses abortion, the rapist is the one who should be accountable for that sin. One more reason why rape is such an awful sin.

  • Prettylady!

    YOU ARE NOTHING BUT ANTI ABORTIONISTS. YOU DON’T CARE ABOUT THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THESE KIDS.

    Look at the rage!

    So your answer to their quality of life is to put them down like dogs. Like a horse that broke it’s leg. My god that’s cold.

    Who are you to judge a person’s quality of life? Do you think handivapped people should be put down because YOU judge them to be unworthy of the life?

    I think this person’s life will be miserable, so kill him? Not buying it. Take your fake mixed up compassion somewhere else. Emotion has over run you.

  • Prettylady!

    This is what it’s all about.

    This rape excuse is all emotion, and guess who gets flushed? A child.

    “Terrible things happen, but it doesn’t mean you kill a baby!”

    How could anyone put it more clearly, thank you Guest…

  • burtmet

    The husband is a real man ,to have that attitude .He must really love his wife . i know she must be a great mom . This is a family blessed by God .

    • Jennifer

      We’ve been through a lot in twenty years of marriage (we married as teenagers!) and every struggle has brought us closer to God and each other. Thank you for your comment. God bless you. :)

  • Gray Panther

    Very heartwarming story of strength & courage. Will this couple also have the courage to keep their son from finding out? In their shoes, I would prefer to keep quiet & take it to the grave.

  • LadyKaos

    Okay, but if his clear chemical imbalance is genetic then another rapist has been born.
    Just saying, what if the guy was Schizophrenic or Sociopathic or just prone to violence? What if he’s Autistic? That cute little bundle of joy isn’t incapable of doing the same things his father did later on.

    Their choice to be noble may have just released one more rapist into the world.

    • Gray Panther

      Can you cite references that back up your theory that rapists are necessarily suffering from chemical imbalances in their brains? Most research I have perused over the years points to abuse during childhood that serves to drive people to become rapists.

    • Jackie Delgado

      Jesse Jackson, Frederick Douglass, Eartha Kitt…there are many people born from rape who somehow managed to not pollute society. Yours is a specious argument with no scientific evidence for support. Do a little research.

  • misty42

    I’m happy that this mom and dad are pleased with their choice. Good for them. What is quite upsetting, though, is that the issue of rape culture is not even addressed. Like, hello!?!? Wouldn’t the best of all worlds be to NOT get raped to start with and have to even face a decision like this. Sighs.

  • Jaime Jessica Goosman

    All of the debates on here is ridiculous. I personally am ProChoice. But i’m sorry to my fellow ProChoicers, Killing babies is never going to be okay. But I think it’s very important that women have the option of abortion. we can’t have the government telling us what we can and cannot do with our bodies. I think this is just a compromise with yourself. If abortion is something you can live with, you can make the compromise. It’s your choice.

    • Michael Ayers

      Having to live with it is a false conflict. The idea only exists as an emotional ploy propagated by pro-lifers. Realistically it’s not a person in any definition legally or biologically, they only want you to associate it with “what it could be one day” and make you imagine it has feelings and a personality

  • Morrison Braddock

    Reading through all these comments, it is absolutely shocking and totally mind blowing that folks think that The State and/or Federal Government has the right to force women to carry and deliver the baby of their RAPIST.

  • Kristen

    Yeah yeah yeah blah blah blah I asked a question and I want an answer, not your preaching. What do you tell the family that the victim is leaving behind? I’m not religious, I don’t care about “well the bible says this, the bible says that” answer my question.

    • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

      Decades ago I got pregnant and I was aware of a separate life inside before I even missed my period or did a test. It was neat until I realized the ramifications. I thought I had no other real choice than to have an abortion. I thought my parents would disown me, that I would lose my job as a teacher, that my boyfriend would dump me, and that I’d have no way to survive. None of that was true but I assumed it. I was scared and nauseous and thinking only of myself. At Planned Parenthood, they told me the baby was just a bunch of tissue, not yet a baby. I wanted to believe them, so I did. I went through with the abortion even though I just felt in my gut it was wrong. The experience was awful; the doctor yelled at me for jerking away when he poked me. I felt degraded just being there. It felt surreal. Afterward it was a relief for a while, but eventually it caught up with me, especially when I would see children the age mine would have been. Later, I saw a textbook or something that showed the development from zygote to birth. Then I knew ‘the tissue’ had already formed into a recognizable person with a heartbeat, etc. when I had aborted. It made me angry to know I’d been lied to. But to be honest, I was eager to believe the lie at the time. Somewhat later I saw pictures of aborted babies and learned more about the procedure I let them perform on me and it made me sick. It has been over 40 years and I still think about that child and who he would be and what he’d be like if he had not been killed. A few years afterward, I was ‘born again’ and I know I am forgiven for that and my other sins. I don’t dwell on it, but I really wish I hadn’t done that. I hate abortion and hate the lies that are promoted to slaughter the innocents, but I also can’t imagine what it must be like to discover that you are pregnant by a rapist. I have never experienced rape but someone close to me has, and it is terrible. I think the woman in this article was very strong and had great support from her husband, and I’m glad she did what she did. But for others, I think it could just continue the trauma. Both lives are important – mother’s and baby’s. I think the best thing is not to pressure the woman either way, but give her time to think about it, and hopefully she has people in her life that will help her and that let her know that up front.

  • Kristen

    And what if they both die in childbirth, all because of your insistence on pushing your beliefs onto others? What will be the purpose in that?

  • Michael Ayers

    This is fascinating, biologically you, and especially your husband, have been brainwashed by your community into carrying, delivering, and providing for some other males offspring. Wow I don’t think words can describe the backwards nature of that.

    • Jackie Delgado

      So a child is only worth having if it shares your DNA? I think THAT’S the kind of thinking that needs to be changed. And in case you forgot, the baby is just as much hers as her rapist’s.
      “Some other male’s offspring.” How very Fred Flintstone of you.

  • Michael Ayers

    I’m sure she’s grateful for God’s plan to have her raped

  • Pengu4You

    Tough situation for any woman to be in. I used to be pro-choice until I had a baby of my own. Now I cannot imagine aborting a pregnancy. The emotional trauma that comes with it would be too much for me. I applaud the woman in the article for making the choice she did.

  • prochoice

    and we don’t think god also gave us the technology for performing safe abortions? that is how we’ve come to accept the use of medicine, believing that god gave us the technology to cure us. in the same sense, god could have provided mankind the technology to perform an abortion because as an all powerful creator, he would easily recognize that the population is growing too big for the world and that people aren’t always responsible for free will.

    hope it doesnt hurt my argument (considering I’ve made a very acceptable point here), but I am not a religious person nor do I believe in god. i do, however, believe that this argument fully institutes logic when my opposition wants to use religion to explain away why there emotions should matter in my life.

    • By that logic you could just as easily say God gave us the technology for gas chambers, weaponized anthrax, land mines, and nukes.

      • Tracy Campbell

        You sure could! And if you’re into God having a plan for all of us, sometimes it might involve those technologies, which is unfortunate, but true if you hold that opinion. One can’t say that God meant to have a woman be raped so that she could have a child but argue that God would never mean for a person to, say, build a nuclear missile that is capable of killing millions of people, but that can also end a war.

        • Prettylady!

          Having an abortion doesn’t unrape a woman.

          • Tracy Campbell

            I never said ANYWHERE that it did.

          • Prettylady!

            You imply that a good abortion will help ease rapes pain. Defend that.

        • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

          Interesting perspective.
          I don’t think God is forcing anyone to sin, or forcing the human race to be murderous, but He is capable of using even our faults and sins in the overall scheme of things. There are a lot of examples of that in the Bible and they must be there to show that as crazy as the world gets, and as much as it doesn’t seem to make sense at times, things are not hopeless. A couple of examples – Joseph sold into slavery by his own brothers. His comment years later, when he had become powerful in Egypt and was able to save his entire family from famine was, “You meant it for evil, but God used it for good.” And those who brought about Jesus bogus trial and crucifixion didn’t realize it would lead to his resurrection and the salvation of millions and millions of people.

    • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

      Safe for ? You don’t mean the baby, do you? Check your facts on population growth. Overpopulation is a myth. Habitable areas of the earth are mostly empty. There is crowding in some areas, yes, but that is not the same as overpopulation. There is starvation but that is mainly due to war, corrupt government, and a distant third – to poor farming methods (which could easily be improved).

      • prochoice

        the baby who before 12 weeks is technically only a parasite? by definition, that is exactly what it is. so for the only being that is technically alive (by definition as well), yes, it is safe.

        and check your facts. the world’s resources are weakening, the amount of people on this earth plays a big role in global warming (more cars on the road, more need for factories to produce for the growing populations, etc), many people even in developed countries are well below the poverty line because there aren’t enough ways for people to contribute. the list goes on honey. so though it may not be directly effecting you today, it sure as hell will effect the babies you are so worried about saving.

        you cannot easily improve starvation by the way, or it would have already been done. but by letting people make a PERSONAL CHOICE, (which means it has not a single thing to do with you other than effecting your self-righteousness and your petty belief that your opinion about their body and their choices matter because it offends your fictional man in the sky who thinks you should be murdered for a whole list of shit, by the way), by letting them make that decision you are possibly getting out of the way of what could most certainly be a huge problem for the generations you so desperately claim to want to save.

        tell me this, you’d rather a baby have a miserable life being alive than a mother going with her gut and saying she knows what is right? seriously? if you knew that kid would end up in foster care being put on drugs so he behaves just right til his 9th family throws him away like the rest, you think that is better than a would-be-mom making a decision she believes in her heart is right?

        follow your pseudo-science linda. and enjoy your self-righteousness. believe whatever the hell you want. but when it comes to another woman’s body, your opinion is irrelevant. it is not murder to remove a parasite. and if it needs to suck nutrients from you to survive, then that is exactly what it is. sorry to be blunt or insensitive, but i just hate when people want to say “check your facts” when they clearly have not checked theirs or bothered looking up definitions for what they so desperately want to argue about.

        • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

          Martha (Prochoice), yesterday I received gmail messages matching what you have written in this post and others. I don’t know why I am getting them after all this time. Since you are all-knowing and infallible, there is no point in continuing, is there? But thank you for being able to discuss a multi-faceted and controversial topic with such civility and grace. btw, I have checked my facts. Maybe you should use more than one biased source. And if my opinion is irrelevant when it comes to another woman’s body, then perhaps yours is also? Wouldn’t it be a relief to quit ranting?

  • Luke Conti

    As an individual who was adopted, I am forever grateful for those who choose to bring a life into this world, even though it may be a great burden for them. I believe it is one of the greatest acts of selflessness and love.

    Having said that, as cynical as it may sound, I still question the “alleged” rape. The victim is a cruise ship employee and based on the telephone conversation of her pregnancy, we can infer that they spend large periods of time apart. There’s a possibility that she was being unfaithful and when she realized she was pregnant, she told her husband she was raped.

    In no way do I believe this, and regardless, the couple handled the situation the best way possible. I’m just curious as to whether or not the conversation regarding the pregnancy was the first discussion of the tragic incident that occurred during her business trip, and if so, why did she wait until she was pregnant to discuss such a horrific ordeal with her husband? Did she contact the authorities regarding an investigation of the rapist? If she could identify the individual, who she describes as a “huge man”, the baby would serve as DNA evidence. If it was me, I would do everything possible to ensure that man was put away for life in order to prevent such a tragedy from happening to anyone else.

    • Jackie Delgado

      There are acounts that go a little more in depth. This woman was not a cruise ship employee. She is in a unique career field and accepted a week long job on a cruise ship. As the article stated,the rape happened over a month before hand and the mention of having a rape kit done means that she did in fact seek medical treatment and report the crime.
      If it makes you feel better to attempt to discredit the victim go ahead, but I have to say that it’s misogynists like you that are the reason so many women hesitate to report such brutal crimes.

      • Jennifer

        “Jackie”, if I catch you on these message boards again, you’re grounded. Love you.

    • Jennifer

      I am not a cruise ship employee, for the record. The rape happened more than a month before I was scheduled to work on the ship for a week long assignment. I’m actually rarely out of town. Both assignments were an anomaly but we needed the extra income. Of course the rape was “talked about”. My husband was by my side at the hospital as soon as the police called him and he could get to me. That day. Whether you believe me or not matters very little. Clearly you’re not who is supposed to read this. This is meant to encourage women, or men, who need it at a specific time in their lives. (And the DNA collected during the rape kit has been submitted into the national database. FYI.)
      All the best.

  • Jen Matteo

    When I was a little less than 14 weeks pregnant, my then husband was arrested for molesting my 13 year old daughter. I got the same treatment – how could you have his baby, get rid of it. My beautiful baby girl will be 2 in April and I’m so in love with her. Shortly after she was born I met someone who accepted her like she was his own. My ex gave up his rights and my new husband, Trinitys daddy, is adopting her.

    • inti

      Be careful, with step fathers, most of them are excellent step fathers,often time better than their biological fathers but there are those who abuse their step daughters…I would not trust him with my young daughter… Many child abuser look for single mothers with young children so they can befriend the child and then, they abuse them…

  • mbtech

    Adoption is not the foster care system. I’m not trying to join this debate, just want to clarify.

  • thatfuckingelinquent

    If you don’t want an abortion, or if you don’t think you could mentally handle an abortion OKAY, don’t make everyone else feel bad for having one.

    • Jackie Delgado

      Who is making everyone else feel bad?

  • deb

    I choose my daughter 23 years ago… best choice I ever made. She came here to heal me. My precious gift from a tormenting ordeal. I never believed in abortion and my family members suggested it because I was going to be a single mom… what would they have said had they known the truth?

    • Openminded

      I’m glad you made a CHOICE. And I’m glad it was the right one for you.

  • Jackie Delgado

    Amen. Yes.

  • Morrison Braddock

    “If God didn’t want it to be here, he would have intervened.” Exactly. And God certainly has the power to intervene. Yet he chose to let violence and rape be the vehicle for this beautiful gift to this family. I am truly amazed. Mysterious ways indeed.

  • Timothy Fetzer

    I think this is wonderful, however do not judge the women who may not make the same choice. This decision is made between the mom, ( dad if applicable) and God. It is not for us to judge. People need to start minding their own business and get their own life in order before they subject their moral high horse onto someone else! End of rant!

    • Openminded

      Applause. Thank you.

  • Openminded

    None of you really get it. You are all so focused on this one woman, who shared an amazing story. Her anguish was real, her violation was real and her love for her child is real. But what else is real is the fact that not all survivors can do what she did. And the fact remains that in the end she made her CHOICE. Stop with this pro-abortion nonsense. Just stop. The majority of people out there that have no qualms with what someone else does with their body are Pro-CHOICE. The operative word is CHOICE.

    We’ve all made CHOICES in life. Who to date, what to have for lunch, which color socks to wear. People make stupid CHOICES and smart CHOICES every day. But just because someone choose something we don’t agree with doesn’t mean you get to harp on them about being wrong and being the devil. The majority of you have never had to face the reality of a CHOICE like that. You sit pretty on your high horses and lord it over everyone about what a saint you are. You never once think about what these women are going through. You think people that are pro-CHOICE are just having abortions right and left. Hate to break up the hate monger you people have but that simply isn’t the case.

    And all this talk about abortions and suicide… just stop. If you don’t have the facts don’t spout off about random crap you know nothing about. IF YOU HAVEN’T BEEN THERE YOU HAVE NO OPINION.

    The other interesting thing I have noticed is this, no one who is pro-CHOICE ever feels the need to sit around on the internet commenting on random posts about a successful abortion about how glad they are that they killed a baby. It doesn’t happen. People who are pro-Choice respect your ability to make decisions for yourself. They aren’t going to come over to your house and make your meals, or pick your clothes or tell you what to watch on television. They are going to let you live your life. Why can’t you leave people to make their own decisions???

    And now the replies will come in that the baby didn’t have a CHOICE. That the child has no voice so clearly you must speak for it. But who says you’re speaking the correct opinions? How do you know? And how can you slander someone who is making a CHOICE that is more difficult than you will ever make? And for the people that will respond with the I have been there. Fantastic for you. I’m glad you coped and I’m glad you had a CHOICE. I’m glad there weren’t people out there forcing you into something that you didn’t agree with. I’m glad that you had the freedom to do what you did. More power to you.

    Don’t take away my CHOICE. Don’t take away my VOICE. And now I shall watch the hate roll in…

    • Jackie Delgado

      Really? Have you read these comments? All the non judgmental pro CHOICE people deriding this woman for her decision saying that she’s raising a future rapist, or how she’s a liar or a fool for not talking Plan B,etc. Very respectful. Don’t make this into Pro life= bad / pro choice = good. There are idiots on both sides of the fence.

      • Openminded

        I’m not saying there aren’t. Every faction has their morons. But the overwhelming responses I have seen that include how evil it is for people to have abortions, how vile the thought is and how clinics should be blown up.

        From my side of the fence I’ve experienced more hate and judgement from the “good christians” than I thought possible. I’m merely stating the demonizing of an institution that WILL continue even if it magically get’s made illegal again (in unsafe ways, by unsafe people with no rules or regulations to protect these people).

        Some suggestions on here are asinine and they are clearly being made by people trying to stir the pot.

        But I shall maintain my view that I won’t make CHOICES for you if you don’t make mine for me.

        • Jackie Delgado

          I don’t disagree but I also fail to see judgment and high horse sitting in this article.( Maybe in some of the comments ). I doubt this was an easy thing for this woman to share and to be accused of lying or condemning another woman’s choice seems monstrously unfair.

    • Prettylady!

      And now the replies will come in that the baby didn’t have a CHOICE. That the child has no voice so clearly you must speak for it. But who says you’re speaking the correct opinions? How do you know?

      Boy this is rich with bizarre wording. You are saying that a child would not want to grow up?

      Everyone and everything seeks the end to it’s purpose. The purpose of an apple seed is to bear apples. The purpose of dolphin is to grow to adult dolphin hood. The purpose of an embryo is to grow up and become an adult.

      That’s why murder is the most heinous of crimes. It robs someone of their chance to fullfil their purpose.

      What is your purpose, sister?

  • Openminded

    Thank you for not sucking. I said the same thing above. Just longer winded.

  • Jackie Delgado

    No. And I don’t think that’s the point of the article at all. It isn’t about condemnation. I think the concern is that the woman who has already been so traumatized might underestimate the emotional damage she would undergo after an abortion. Everyone is so angry and shaking their fists about judgment but the article isn’t judging anyone. I believe her desire is for the healing she has found for all women who find themselves in an impossible situation.

  • Prettylady!

    Yet the bible thumpers sit in a corner with their bright, shiny halos.

    Who is quoting the bible? Common ethics and logic leads us to know that abortion is evil.

    I’m sure the bible backs up the basics of ethics, but you don’t need a bible to know uncut-evil when you smell it….

  • Prettylady!

    Gosh this is cold. SO let me understand this. You think she will wish her own 18 year old child dead?

    What kind of morality is your life centered on?

    I’m serious, what do you base your life on, skeptic? What kind of human says something like this?

    • Jackie Delgado

      Of course she might. Don’t you know a mother’s love is based on her child’s appearance? (My own mother will freak out if she finds out I’m on this thread but I’m not standing by and letting people trash talk my family)

  • Abbismom14

    God had nothing to do with that child being formed. It was an egg and sperm meeting up at the right time for fertilization. At 6 to 8 weeks the fetus isn’t even a fetus yet. Who are we to judge anyone for what they do? They will be the ones to live with the decision, not anyone else. Passing judgement is not our job. God gave us free will. And women, were just given rights within the last century. Why do we want to go backwards instead of forward?

  • mike

    The rapist has more rights to his baby then the real father. Thats why if that happened to my girl. She is getting rid of it. For the rest of my life every time i saw that kid i would be reminded…….

    • Jackie Delgado

      It. She is getting rid of it. Reading that sentence makes me feel like crying. What’s wrong with you people?!? We’re not talking about an it! We’re talking about an innocent life with limitless potential. If you’d be reminded when you looked at “the kid” and you didn’t have the strength to handle raising a child with half the DNA of someone you supposedly love, give someone else a chance to. Please.

  • Jackie Delgado

    This is the kindest and most thoughtful comment . Your maturity speaks to a beautiful person.

  • avengeflipper

    Yes, you are so right. It’s better to kill them and deprive them the chance at a life to prevent them from being abused.

  • katie henderson

    Amen some people need to read Stop blame Inncented children for a rape they didnt do or have control over,children are gifes from God no matter happen

    • Guest

      A gift, perhaps, but one I do not want.

      • katie henderson

        God is a giver the devil is not so yes children are a gife from
        God being rape is the devil doing

    • Prettylady!

      That this is even up for debate is a statement about how disgusting this culture of death is…

      • katie henderson

        i guess

  • PJ4

    So your solution to end poverty is kill all the poor. Good for you.

    • Martha Genn

      No the solution is a number of factors including not bringing more unwanted children into a world that can not support them. By unwanted I would be referring to unwanted by the woman who is pregnant.

      • PJ4

        Killing your child is not the solution. There is always someone who wants the child, even if the mother doesn’t
        Of a woman doesn’t want to be a mother, then she should not become pregnant.
        Pretty simple

        • Martha Genn

          And your answers to pregnancy by rape and birth control failure would be?

          • PJ4

            Not killing the child, that is for sure.

          • Martha Genn

            No because you want to see it starve and freeze to death instead… Wow I can feel the compassion oozing from your words. Also you have issues about my sentence structure as you actively propose bringing even more children into this world who by circumstance of birth will be even less educated than you assume I am. How well do you think you are going to like debating them? I AM the product of an unwanted pregnancy. My father found out his wife was on birth control and beat her so badly ( She almost died ) she never argued again. Do I appreciate my life? Sure; But NOT at that COST, Never at that cost.

          • PJ4

            No because you want to see it starve and freeze to death instead.

            Where the f*&# did that come from???
            When did you make take that big of a leap from reality?
            Funny I don’t recall ever saying that I want a child to star or freeze to death.. do you?
            Can you quote me directly on this?

            Wow I can feel the compassion oozing from your words.

            I should hope so.

            Also you have issues about my sentence structure as you actively propose bringing even more children into this world who by circumstance of birth will be even less educated than you assume I am

            That’s not possible :-)

            How well do you think you are going to like debating them?

            I don’t know if I ever will have to.

            I AM the product of an unwanted pregnancy.

            So is this guy. http://www.theradiancefoundation.org/our-story/our-bios/

            My father found out his wife was on birth control and beat her so badly ( She almost died ) she never argued again

            If your story is true, I’m truly sorry to hear that.

            Do I appreciate my life? Sure; But NOT at that COST, Never at that cost.

            Did your mother ever tell you that she didn’t want you?
            Did she mistreat you?

            2 of my kids were from unwanted pregnancies, but they will never ever find that out.

          • Martha Genn

            Funny I don’t recall ever saying that I want a child to star or freeze to death.. do you?
            Can you quote me directly on this? Of a woman doesn’t want to be a mother, then she should not become pregnant.
            Pretty simple. My mother did her best as she was severely bipolar. The cost of not one but three unwanted pregnancies on her and the abuse to bring us into this world is a thing NO woman should face. And my father admitted it with pride years after she divorced him.

          • PJ4

            Of a woman doesn’t want to be a mother, then she should not become pregnant.

            So you interpret that as I want kids to starve and freeze to death

            Wow…um.. that’s a really big leap from logic.
            How does that in anyway translate to wanting to see kids starve and freeze to death??
            You are making no sense.

            You’re mother should have left your father after the first time he hit her.
            Perhaps if you focused on empowering women to leave abusive men as opposed to killing their offspring, you’d be more productive.

          • Griffonn

            There are so many women who have testified that abortion hurt them.

            Yet we are supposed to believe that somehow it’s the only answer for unintended pregnancy.

          • PJ4

            Indeed.

  • Martha Genn

    The death of a woman during pregnancy, at delivery, or soon after delivery is a tragedy for her family and for society as a whole. Sadly, about 650 women die each year in the United States as a result of pregnancy or delivery complications.

    During pregnancy, a woman’s body goes through many changes. These changes are entrirely normal, but may become very important in case there are complications or problems. A pregnancy-related death is defined as the death of a woman during pregnancy or within one year of the end of pregnancy from a pregnancy complication, a chain of events initiated by pregnancy, or the aggravation of an unrelated condition by the physiologic effects of pregnancy.

    Postpartum depression is depression that occurs after having a baby.

    Fetal death, missed abortion, and intrauterine death

    A baby can die at any time during pregnancy. What you can do about it depends on whether he dies before or after 18 weeks. Before this time his death is termed a missed abortion, after it he is an intrauterine death.

    Before 18 weeks a dead baby is usually aborted without his mother knowing that he is dead. Occasionally however, the abortion is delayed for several weeks (a missed abortion). When this happens the only sign of fetal death is that her uterus fails to grow. Or, she may have a threatened abortion which stops bleeding, and is followed by a brown discharge and no further periods. Although the loss of a baby may be tragic, a missed abortion has few risks, there is little risk of a clotting defect this early in pregnancy, and provided nobody interferes, she runs no risk of infection.

    After about 18 weeks: (1) a mother is aware of the death of her baby (intrauterine death) because the fetal movements stop, or do not occur when they should (18 to 22 weeks in a primip, 16 to 20 weeks in a multip). (2) The fetal heart cannot be heard when it should be (28 weeks), but remember that this is an unreliable sign, especially if she is fat, or has polyhydramnios. Listen to it electronically if you can. (3) The height of her fundus, as found by palpation, fails to match that expected from her dates. Instead, it either remains stationary or falls (M 6.4). For this sign to be useful, the height of her fundus above her symphysis pubis must be measured accurately with a tape measure. So, when fetal death is suspected, impress this on your midwives. (4) There are radiological signs of fetal death, but they are not easy before 28 weeks. The most reliable ones are overlapping of the bones of the baby’s skull (Spalding’s sign), hyperflexion of his spine, and gas in his great vessels. Endocrine tests for pregnancy take 4 or even 8 weeks to become negative, so they are of little value.

    If you do nothing, there is an ninety per cent chance that she will deliver her baby in 4 weeks, whatever the duration of her pregnancy. But, as long as he remains inside her, she runs the remote but serious risk of a serious coagulation defect, and catastrophic bleeding. This risk is low initially, but increases with time, particularly after he has been dead 4 to 6 weeks. Rupturing the membranes to induce labour is dangerous, because the dead fetal tissues are easily infected by anaerobes. The following regime attempts to balance these risks. Use oxytocin and/or prostaglandins. The sensitivity of her uterus to prostaglandins remains constant, but its sensitivity to oxytocin increases with each gestational week.

    Prostaglandins are expensive. The most commonly used one is PGE[,2] or dinoprostone (”Prostin’ E[,2] Upjohn). You can use: (1) A solution of prostaglandin instilled into the extra-amniotic space through a Foley catheter. (2) Pessaries or tablets in the posterior fornix (19.3).

    8

    THE DEAD BABY DEATH BEFORE 18 WEEKS [s7](missed abortion) If a mother’s uterus is small for her gestational age, perhaps with a brownish vaginal discharge, suspect the death of her baby. Monitor the growth of her uterus carefully. If he is dead, it will not grow, and may even become smaller. Pregnancy tests become negative. Methods of detecting the fetal heartbeat vary in their sensitivity: ultrasound scanning detects it at 8 weeks, Doppler ultrasound at 10[nd]16 weeks, and an ordinary stethoscope at 20[nd]28 weeks.

    THE DIFFERENTIAL DIAGNOSIS includes a normal pregnancy of shorter duration (wrong dates), a slow-leaking ectopic pregnancy, a false pregnancy, and fibroids.

    MANAGEMENT. You can, if you wish do nothing for several weeks. Spontaneous abortion will inevitably follow. Alternatively:

    If her uterus is smaller than 10 weeks (a small [f41]orange), you can do a ”D and C’, either using the ordinary method (16.2) or a Karman curette. Give her perioperative chloramphenicol and metronidazole (2.9) when you do this (one contributor considers this unnecessary). Dilate her cervix up to at least Hegar 10. If possible, ”prime’ her cervix with prostaglandins beforehand. Either, (1) put a 0.5 mg tablet of prostaglandin E[,2] in her cervix, and repeat this 6-hourly for 24 hours. Or, (2) place 3 mg prostaglandin E[,2] vaginal tablets in her vagina 6 hourly. Or, (3) use a newer preparation, gemeprost (”Cervagem’).

    If you are using a Karman curette, dilate her cervix to 8 Hegar and then use a Number 8 Karman curette with a vacuum of up to 500 mm Hg. Continue until her uterus is empty, and you can feel her uterus tight round the curette.

    If her uterus is larger than 10 weeks, don’t attempt an ordinary ”D and C’. Instead, either use oxytocin and/or prostaglandins, see below. Or, dilate her uterus to 11 Hegar, and use a No 10 Karman curette, which is safe up to 12 weeks[md]but not beyond!.

    CAUTION ! Attempting to do a ”D and C’ on a uterus larger than this can cause disastrous bleeding, and perhaps infection. We have advised a 10-week threshold rather than the more normal 12 weeks, to allow for a margin of error.

    DEATH AFTER 18 WEEKS [s7](intrauterine death) A mother notices that fetal movements stop, or do not occur when they should (at 18 weeks). Or, a midwife fails to hear the fetal heart after 24 weeks. If possible, confirm the absence of the fetal heartbeat with Doppler ultrasound. During 2 to 4 weeks observe if her uterus fails to grow or gets smaller.

    CAUTION ! A pregnancy test is no use at this stage. It may be positive when the baby is dead.

    THE DIFFERENTIAL DIAGNOSIS includes: (1) A normal pregnancy of shorter duration (wrong dates). (2) A hydatidiform mole. (3) Polyhydramnios (her uterus will be large for her dates). (4) Multiple gestation with small fetuses. (5) An abdominal pregnancy. (6) Ascites, an ovarian tumour, fibroids, or a false pregnancy.

    MANAGEMENT. Do nothing for a month after the fetal movements have stopped. Explain carefully why you are doing nothing. She may find this difficult to understand and her husband may try to persuade you to act prematurely. Explain that, if you attempt induction by the method below, it may fail and she may need a few days rest before you try again.

    If she is still undelivered a month after fetal movements have stopped, consider induction. Before you induce her, check her clotting time (16.13).

    AN ESCALATING OXYTOCIN DRIP. Use this regime from about 10 (before which it is unnecessary), until about 28 weeks when the method in Section 19.3 is indicated. See also Section 18.4a on oxytocin. Her uterus is less likely to rupture in early pregnancy, so start with 5 units of oxytocin in 500 ml of Ringer’s lactate or saline, at 25 drops a minute. You may find that labour does not start until the following day. If this fails, repeat the drip the next day with 25 units in 500 ml. If necessary, wait and repeat it in another week. If this does not work, wait and try a third time. You may have to give her up to 100 units in 500 ml (the absolute maximum). Usually, much less is necessary.

    EXTRA SPECIAL CAUTION ! is necessary when you use oxytocin at this stage of pregnancy! (1) You may have to use large doses. Oxytocin has an antidiuretic effect, so you can overload her with fluid, so that she develops water intoxication (rare). So: (a) increase the strength of the infusion, rather than the volume you give, (b) give it in Ringer’s lactate or saline, rather than 5% dextrose, and (c) give it for a day and then stop. (d) Don’t give more than 3 litres of fluid in 24 hours. (e) Keep a fluid- balance chart; if she has a positive fluid-balance of more than 2 litres stop the drip. Because of these dangers some obstetricians wait to let nature take its course between 14 and 28 weeks. (2) Oxytocin can rupture the uterus as early as 18 weeks, so don’t give more oxytocin than you need.

    If she becomes drowsy or has convulsions while on an oxytocin drip, she has probably developed water intoxication. Stop the drip and let her kidneys excrete the water. Give her a slow infusion of 5% sodium chloride (if you have it).

    If an escalating oxytocin drip fails, and the products of conception have not been expelled within 2 to 4 weeks of presention, refer her to an expert. If you cannot refer her, see below.

    EXTRA[nd]AMNIOTIC PROSTAGLANDINS. The indications are: (1) The termination of pregnancy after 14 weeks. (2) Missed abortion (intrauterine death) after 14 weeks. (3) The evacuation of a hydatidiform mole.

    CAUTION ! With both methods follow the manufacturer’s instructions carefully.

    Using a Foley catheter (the preferred method). Using a Cusco’s speculum and sponge forceps pass a sterile 12 to 14 Ch Foley catheter with a 30 ml balloon gently through her cervix into her extra-amniotic space. A Foley catheter of this size will always enter a pregnant cervix.

    Now inject prostaglandin E[,2] in the following regime.

    Prepare a solution containing 100 micrograms in 1 ml (add 0.5 ml of a 10 mg/ml solution to 50 ml of diluent). Fill the dead space in the catheter system with the dilute drug solution. Then inject 1 ml of solution through the catheter initially, followed by 1 or 2 ml 2-hourly to maintain regular contractions. Go on until the catheter falls out.

    Alternatively, cut the tip off the Foley catheter, pass an infant feeding-tube through it, and push the catheter through her cervix, so that the balloon lies just above her internal os. Through the feeding tube instil PG F[,2]alpha (dinoprost) 5 mg diluted with 4 ml of sterile isotonic saline. Repeat this 2- hourly until she has adequate contractions.

    The Foley catheter will always be expelled eventually. Most obstetricians would give her an oxytocin drip at the same time; a few consider this dangerous, and only give oxytocin if prostaglandins fail to establish contractions in 6 hours.

    Using dinoprostone (PGE[,2]) vaginal tablets. The standard tablets are 3 mg (”Prostin’ Upjohn, expensive). To terminate her pregnancy, insert 3 mg vaginal tablets in her posterior fornix 4-hourly up to a total of 6 tablets in 24 hours. This will usually evacuate her uterus within 12 hours. If it has not succeeded in 24 hours, try another method, or wait for 2[nd]3 days and try again.

    CAUTION ! Don’t rupture her membranes. It may hasten delivery, but it is not worth the risk. See also Stop Press.

    THE DEAD BABY [s7]at term or during labour See also Sections 18.4 and 18.7.

    A dead baby is usually easy to deliver when he has died as the result of gestational hypertension or abruption, because he is usually small and is often macerated. But if he died because labour was obstructed, delivery is more difficult. Caesarean section might seem to be the obvious answer. Unfortunately, if his head is impacted deep in her pelvis, removing it from her uterus at Caesarean section is difficult. She also runs the serious immediate risk of septic shock and peritonitis, and the later one of a scar in her uterus. Provided his head is well down in her pelvis, an operative vaginal delivery, if necessary a destructive one, will be safer. If it is high, you will have to section her.

    DIFFICULTIES [s7]with a dead baby before about 30 weeks If you are NOT SURE IF A BABY IS DEAD OR NOT, wait, and see her again in 2 weeks. If necessary, wait 4 weeks. By this time it should be clear if he is dead or not.

    If delivering a dead baby late in pregnancy or at term is complicated by SEVERE BLEEDING, disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC) is a possibility, so see Section 19.11a. Maintain her blood volume, and try to give her fresh blood. If bleeding is not controlled by two doses of ergometrine with oxytocin (”Syntometrine’), or by ergometrine alone, intravenously or intramuscularly, give her a prostaglandin such as dinoprost (”Prostin F[,2][ga]’) 250 to 500 [gm]g directly into the myometrium through her abdominal wall. Try compressing her uterus, pack it for 24 hours, and then remove the pack. This is a useful temporary measure for any bleeding uterus, and may save the need to do a laparotomy. If this fails to control bleeding, tie her internal iliac arteries (3.5). If this too fails, remove her uterus (20.12). Give her fresh blood.

    If oxytocin and prostaglandins FAIL TO EXPEL A DEAD BABY (rare), suspect an extrauterine pregnancy (16.6).

    If she has FEVER and GASTROINTESTINAL SYMPTOMS while she is having prostaglandins, these are probably side-effects. They are much less likely when lower doses are instilled through a Foley catheter.

    The symptoms of postpartum depression are similar to symptoms for depression, but they also include—

    Trouble sleeping when your baby sleeps (more than the lack of sleep new moms usually get).

    Feeling numb or disconnected from your baby.

    Having scary or negative thoughts about the baby, like thinking someone will take your baby away or hurt your baby.

    Worrying that you will hurt the baby.

    Feeling guilty about not being a good mom, or ashamed that you cannot care for your baby.

    According to a CDC survey, 8 to 19% of women reported having frequent postpartum depressive symptoms.

    Being a mom is hard. For some, the journey to becoming a mom is really hard too.

    You may have heard of postpartum depression (PPD), but many women don’t know that depression can occur during pregnancy or with other events, such as losing a baby or having trouble getting pregnant. According to a national survey, approximately 8% of pregnant women experienced major depression in the past year. (Source: Depression and treatment among U.S. pregnant and nonpregnant women of reproductive age, 2005–2009. J Womens Health. 2012;21(8):830–836.)

    An unintended pregnancy is a pregnancy that is mistimed, unplanned, or unwanted at the time of conception. It is a core concept to better understand the fertility of populations and the unmet need for contraception (birth control) and family planning. Unintended pregnancy mainly results from the lack of, inconsistent, or incorrect use of effective contraceptive methods.

    Unintended pregnancy is associated with an increased risk of problems for the mom and baby. If a pregnancy is not planned before conception, a woman may not be in optimal health for childbearing. For example, women with an unintended pregnancy could delay prenatal care that may affect the health of the baby.
    According to a study published in 2011—

    In 2006, 49% of pregnancies were unintended—a slight increase from 48% in 2001.

    Among women aged 19 years and younger, more than 4 out of 5 pregnancies were unintended.

    The proportion of pregnancies that were unintended was highest among teens younger than age 15 years, at 98%.

    Between 2001 and 2006, the proportion of pregnancies that were unintended—

    Declined from 89% to 79% among teens aged 15–17 years.

    Increased from 79% to 83% among women aged 18 and 19 years and from 59% to 64% among women aged 20–24 years.

    Large increases in unintended pregnancy rates were found among women with lower education, low income, and cohabiting women.

    Source: Unintended pregnancy in the United States: incidence and disparities, 2006.Contraception. 2011;84(5):478–485.

    Recent data from the National Survey of Family Growth show no significant decline in the overall proportion of unintended births (live births to women who did not want to get pregnant when they did) between the 1982 and the 2006–2010 surveys. The proportion of births that were unintended did decline during these years among ever-married, non-Hispanic white women. Women more likely to experience unintended births include—

    Unmarried women.

    Black women.

    Women with less education or income.

    Source: Intended and unintended births in the United States: 1982–2010. [PDF- 404KB] National Health Statistics Reports. 2012;55.

    The United States has established family planning goals in Healthy People 2020 aimed at improving pregnancy planning, spacing, and preventing unintended pregnancy. An objective is to increase the proportion of pregnancies that are intended to 56%. Family planning efforts that can help reduce unintended pregnancy include increasing access to contraception, particularly to the more effective and longer acting reversible forms of contraception, and increasing correct and consistent use of contraceptive methods overall among those who are sexually active but wish to delay or avoid pregnancy. Research also has focused on better understanding pregnancy intention and how it is measured. As one study suggests, “A better understanding of the multiple dimensions of unintended pregnancy also may lead to a better understanding of the consequences of these pregnancies.” (The measurement and meaning of unintended pregnancy.Perspect Sex Reprod Health. 2003;35(2):94–101.)

    • Martha Genn

      Intrauterine Fetal Demise

      About one percent of normal, uncomplicated pregnancies end in fetal death (intrauterine fetal demise, IUFD). It is considered a fetal death when it occurs after the 20th week of pregnancy. It is considered a miscarriage when a fetal death occurs in the first 20 weeks. The mother’s health is usually not in danger. Usually, there is nothing that can be done to prevent it.

      CAUSES

      Often the cause is unknown.

      Examination of the stillborn fetus after delivery may show an abnormality in the umbilical cord. An exam my also show a problem with the placenta or fetus. These problems may include infections or a variety of birth defects and genetic disorders.

      The pregnancy continues for 42 weeks or later (post term pregnancy).

      Conditions in the mother such as diabetes, high blood pressure, and numerous other medical, physical or poor lifestyle choices (illegal drugs, alcohol, smoking) increase the risk for fetal death. Often, however, risk factors are unknown.

      Multiple pregnancies (twins or more) increase the risk of fetal death.

      SYMPTOMS

      The mother may not notice symptoms in the early stages of pregnancy. Learning what is wrong (diagnosis) is based on:

      The loss of baby’s heart sounds.

      The lack of increasing belly (abdominal) growth.

      Ultrasound studies which suggest death of the fetus.

      In later stages of pregnancy, a woman may be aware of changes in the fetal movement (kicks), or that the movement has stopped.

      RELATED COMPLICATIONS

      Disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC) is a problem with blood clotting. This can result in severe bleeding and rarely develops late after fetal death.

      Infection of the products of the pregnancy (fetal materials).

      Increase bleeding from retained fetal parts or placenta.

      TREATMENT

      Treatment should be accomplished within 2 weeks of the discovered fetal death.

      To confirm the fetal death, diagnostic tests are done such as:

      X-rays.

      Ultrasound.

      Amniotic fluid studies (looking at the fluid in the sac surrounding the baby).

      Most women, on learning that their fetus is dead, prefer early removal of the contents of the womb (uterus). In the first three months of pregnancy (first trimester), this is usually done by D and C or with suction curettage. Suction curettage is a technique used to remove the dead fetus and other tissue of the pregnancy from the uterus. It uses an instrument somewhat like a straw, connected by tubing to a machine, that your caregiver uses to suck out the dead contents of the uterus. NOTE: Suction curettage may be done in the second and third trimester after delivery of the dead fetus only to make sure there is no placental tissue left in the uterus but not to suction out the fetus.

      In the second trimester, treatment is more frequently accomplished with high doses of a drug, prostaglandin E (Prostin) suppositories or in combination with laminaria (as specialized seaweed product that absorbs moisture and expands to gradually stretch and open the cervix). Prostin (T) causes labor to start.

      In the third trimester, it may be accomplished with laminaria and misoprostol vaginal suppositories to induce labor. It may also be done with the drugs intravenous oxytocin plus prostaglandin E.

      If there was an infection involved with the fetal death, you will be given an antibiotic. You will be given Rho-gam if you are Rh negative and the baby is Rh positive (a vaccine to prevent Rh problems with a future pregnancy). An additional treatment option is to wait for spontaneous labor, which usually occurs within 2 weeks, but may be longer. This is called expectant therapy.

      Following removal of the products of the pregnancy, the stillborn fetus is usually examined by a specialist (pathologist) to determine if problems are present that may reoccur in another pregnancy. This can help plan future pregnancies. That planning will also include treatment which will best guarantee a good outcome in future pregnancies.

      Your caregiver can also help you deal with feelings of loss, guilt, loneliness, anxiety, and hostility. Family and friends can be helpful. If severe grief lasts longer than several months, professional counseling may be helpful. Joining a grief support group may be useful.

      Any medicines prescribed will depend on the type of treatment received.

      Other problems can be cared for with your caregivers. There may be discussions on whether or not to see, touch or photograph the infant, whether to name the infant, what to do with the remains (burial or cremation), and holding religious services.

      HOME CARE INSTRUCTIONS

      Restrictions are usually not necessary unless associated with the delivery choice.

      Sexual intercourse should be avoided for 4 to 6 weeks. Starting another pregnancy should be delayed several months, or as suggested by your caregiver.

      Do not use tampons or douche.

      Only take over-the-counter or prescription medicines for pain, discomfort, or fever as directed by your caregiver. Do not take aspirin it can cause you to bleed. Call your caregiver for a prescription for stronger pain medication if you need it.

      No special diet is necessary unless you have diabetes or other medical problems that require a special diet.

      Take showers instead of baths until your caregiver tells you it is okay.

      Ask your caregiver when you can return to driving and to your everyday activities.

      Make an appointment with your caregiver for follow up care.

      PREVENTION

      Eliminate any of the causes, if possible, that were found after evaluating the fetus.

      Control any medical problems you may have before or during the pregnancy.

      Avoid illegal drugs, alcohol and smoking.

      Maintain good prenatal care and follow your caregiver’s treatment and advice.

      Report any concerns or unusual changes you notice during your pregnancy.

      More frequent prenatal visits may be necessary with the next child.

      SEEK MEDICAL CARE IF:

      You develop abnormal vaginal discharge.

      You develop a temperature 102° F (38.9° C) or higher.

      You are getting dizzy and faint.

      You are feeling depressed.

      SEEK IMMEDIATE MEDICAL CARE IF:

      During pregnancy:

      You fail to gain weight, or your abdomen is not increasing in size.

      Your unborn child appears to have less movement or stopped moving. Keep your medical conditions under control.

      After delivery:

      You have heavy vaginal bleeding.

      You have chills and fever.

      You have chest pain.

      You have shortness of breath.

      You have pain or swelling or redness of your leg.

      Following the death of a fetus, you or a family member need help or emotional support in coping with the grief process.

      A miscarriage is the loss of a fetus before the 20th week of pregnancy. The medical term for a miscarriage is spontaneous abortion, but the condition is not an abortion in the common definition of the term.

      According to the March of Dimes, as many as 50% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage — most often before a woman misses a menstrual period or even knows she is pregnant. About 15% of recognized pregnancies will end in a miscarriage.

      More than 80% of miscarriages occur within the first three months of pregnancy. Miscarriages are less likely to occur after 20 weeks gestation; these are termed late miscarriages.

      What Are the Symptoms of a Miscarriage?

      Symptoms of a miscarriage include:

      Bleeding which progresses from light to heavy

      Severe cramps

      Abdominal pain

      Fever

      Weakness

      Back pain

      If you experience the symptoms listed above, contact your obstetric health care provider right away. He or she will tell you to come in to the office or go to the emergency room.

      What Causes Miscarriage?

      The causes of miscarriage are not well understood. Most miscarriages that occur in the first trimester are caused by chromosomal abnormalities in the baby. Chromosomes are tiny structures inside the cells of the body which carry many genes. Genes determine all of a person’s physical attributes, such as sex, hair and eye color, and blood type. Most chromosomal problems occur by chance and are not related to the mother’s or father’s health.

      Miscarriages are also caused by a variety of other factors, including:

      Infection

      Exposure to environmental and workplace hazards such as high levels of radiation or toxic agents

      Hormonal problems

      Uterine abnormalities

      Incompetent cervix (the cervix begins to widen and open too early, in the middle of pregnancy, without signs of pain or labor)

      Lifestyle factors such as smoking, drinking alcohol, or using illegal drugs

      Disorders of the immune system, including lupus

      Severe kidney disease

      Congenital heart disease

      Diabetes that is not controlled

      Thyroid disease

      Radiation

      Certain medications, such as the acne drug Accutane

      Severe malnutrition

      In addition, women may be at increased risk for miscarriage as they get older. Studies show that the risk of miscarriage is 12% to 15% for women in their 20s and rises to about 25% for women at age 40. The increased incidence of chromosomal abnormalities contributes to the age-related risk of miscarriage.

      There is no proof that stress or physical or sexual activity causes miscarriage.

      How Is a Miscarriage Diagnosed and Treated?

      Your health care provider will perform a pelvic exam and an ultrasound test to confirm a miscarriage. If the miscarriage is complete and the uterus is empty, then no further treatment is usually required. Occasionally, the uterus is not completely emptied, so a dilation and curettage (D&C) procedure is performed. During this procedure, the cervix is dilated and any remaining fetal or placental tissue is gently removed from the uterus. As an alternative to a D&C, certain medications can be given to cause your body to expel the contents in the uterus. This option may be more ideal in someone who wants to avoid surgery and whose condition is otherwise stable.

      If a miscarriage was not confirmed, but you had symptoms of a miscarriage, bed rest may be prescribed for several days, and you may be admitted to the hospital overnight for observation. Blood work to determine the amount of a pregnancy hormone (hCG) is checked to monitor the progress of the miscarriage.

      When the bleeding stops, usually you will be able to continue with your normal activities. If the cervix is dilated, you may be diagnosed with an incompetent cervix and a procedure to close the cervix (called cerclage) may be performed if the pregnancy is still viable. If your blood type is Rh negative, your doctor may give you a blood product called Rh immune globulin (Rhogam). This prevents you from developing antibodies that could harm your baby as well as any of your future pregnancies.

      Blood tests, genetic tests, or medication may be necessary if a woman has more than two miscarriages in a row (called repeated miscarriage). Some diagnostic procedures used to evaluate the cause of repeated miscarriage include endometrial biopsy (a procedure involving the removal of a small amount of tissue from the lining of the uterus for study under a microscope), hysterosalpingogram (an X-ray of the uterus and fallopian tubes), hysteroscopy (a test in which the doctor views the inside of the uterus with a thin, telescope-like device inserted through the vagina and cervix), and laparoscopy (a surgical procedure in which the doctor views the pelvic organs with a lighted device).

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      In this article

      What Are the Symptoms of a Miscarriage?

      What Causes Miscarriage?

      How Is a Miscarriage Diagnosed and Treated?

      How Do I Know if I Had a Miscarriage?

      Can I Get Pregnant Following a Miscarriage?

      How Long Will I Have to Wait Before I Can Try Again?

      Can a Miscarriage Be Prevented?

      How Do I Know if I Had a Miscarriage?

      Bleeding and mild discomfort are common symptoms after a miscarriage. If you have heavy bleeding, fever, chills, or pain, contact your health care provider right away. These may be signs of an infection.

      Can I Get Pregnant Following a Miscarriage?

      Yes. At least 85% of women who have miscarriages have subsequent normal pregnancies and births. Having a miscarriage does not necessarily mean you have a fertility problem. On the other hand, about 1%-2% of women may have repeated miscarriages (three or more). Some researchers believe this is related to an autoimmune response.

      If you’ve had two miscarriages in a row, you should stop trying to conceive, use a form of birth control, and ask your health care provider to perform diagnostic tests to determine the cause of the miscarriages.

      How Long Will I Have to Wait Before I Can Try Again?

      Discuss the timing of your next pregnancy with your health care provider. Some health care providers recommend waiting a certain amount of time (from one menstrual cycle to 3 months) before trying to conceive again. To prevent another miscarriage, your health care provider may recommend treatment with progesterone, a hormone needed for implantation in the uterus.

      Taking time to heal both physically and emotionally after a miscarriage is important. Above all, don’t blame yourself for the miscarriage. Counseling is available to help you cope with your loss. Pregnancy loss support groups may also be a valuable resource to you and your partner. Ask your health care provider for more information about these resources.

      Can a Miscarriage Be Prevented?

      Usually a miscarriage cannot be prevented and often occurs because the pregnancy is not normal. If a specific problem is identified with testing, then treatment options may be available.

      Sometimes, treatment of a mother’s illness can improve the chances for a successful pregnancy.

  • whiplash55

    I’m glad they were able to make peace with their tragedy, and even go on and have the rapist child. That said, operative word is choice, it was her choice and no one else’s to make for her. Abortion should be rare and safe when chosen, and no human being has the right to decide for the mother, certainly not the government. So bless freedom and the right for all women to make the choice right for them.

  • mommyto5

    This story hits home for me . this is the way i conceived my little girl . it was a terrifying way to conceive her but i could never see my life without her in it . my husband and i married a few years later he had a child i had four including my daughter . he is an amazing husband and father to our children . and i would never change the fact of what happened to me even if I could because I would not change having my daughter for the world

    • Jennifer

      I think it’s impossible to understand unless you’ve been there. How to reconcile the worst thing that’s ever happened to you with one of the best? I’m battling PTSD but my little eight month old, smiley nugget has brought our family so much joy..I can hardly remember life before him.
      God bless you.

  • asdfasd1111

    I don’t believe in the death penalty, that doesn’t mean I’m choosing life. That is just ambiguous. You all don’t believe in abortion, but that doesn’t mean you are choosing life. Again, that is very ambiguous, why twist fact? It is factual that you all don’t believe in abortion, and I do, and I don’t believe in the death penalty, and you do. That’s it. Each of our beliefs on one end, kills life, and on the other end preserves life.

  • Prettylady!

    Thank you Michele. Avortionist supporters admitted this back alley lie. Thanks for doing the footwork.

    Lets stick up for those who can’t. MARCH FOR LIFE

  • TuMadre

    Skipped the entire article, went down to the comment section in the hopes of seeing idiots trying to argue for or against the legalization of abortion like a monkeys flinging shit at each other. Was not disappointed.

    • Prettylady!

      I like you!

  • Carrie Rider

    You’re the best.

  • Debra

    God Bless You !!!

    • Jennifer

      And you as well, Debra.

  • Prettylady!

    God bless sister. A 16 year old raped. In this culture everyone would be pressuring her to abort you. Are you glad your mom chose life?

    • Valma P Cronau

      Thank you. Yes, I am now. For a few years I wish things were different but I was young and angry. Now I value my own life as much as everyone else’s.

  • Prettylady!

    You have a beautiful family.

  • Terry

    This is truly a beautiful and inspiring story. As a man and a father, I must say, that her husband did an amazing thing by accepting, encouraging, and loving her through this. It’s called grace and mercy. It all comes from a greater power and is reciprocal for that shown by our heavenly father. Neat, neat story. Blessings go to this family.

    • Jennifer

      He truly is a wonderful man. And he is head over heels for our newest baby. :)

  • gondodeb

    Did they find the rapist? Can they do a DNA to match him? Legally does the rapist have any rights to the baby? Just curious. I Love that she kept the baby, I always told my husband I would have to if I were raped and became pregnant. The beautiful child did nothing wrong.

    • Jackie Delgado

      It’s an active investigation. So far, the national database has not returned a DNA match. In some cases, rapists have been given parental rights but it varies between states and this family moved to a state that takes quite a conservative stand on the issue.

      • Prettylady!

        Lord have mercy… Hope things are going well!

        • Jackie Delgado

          Things are going great! As long as nobody tells my mom I’m still on message boards. We had a great Christmas in the new place and my baby brother is four months old today!.

          • Prettylady!

            Wonderful, so glad to hear that!

            I’m addicted to these stupid message boards. I have got to get a life!!!!

          • Jackie Delgado

            Haha. I like reading what you write even if I think sometimes you’re a little crazy. You mean well. And there are a whole lot of people on these boards who don’t mean well at all.

          • Prettylady!

            Look at Genesis 4. The Evil line of Cain. Those guys were brilliant musicians, and advanced in technology. But they were polygamous (bad) and they took over the top vengeance on each other (bad).
            Its easy to be cruel online because you can’t see the peoples face, or hear the tone in the voice. It’s really a fake life. Fake relationships.

            Give the little guy a squeeze for me! 4 months wow!
            PL!

          • Jackie Delgado

            That’s what my parents say too. My mom says people get a “false courage from anonymity”. What my dad said after I read him a couple mean comments, I can’t repeat (which is funny because he almost never gets angry) But he never reads boards and doesn’t want my mom or I to either. He says the pearls before swine verse a lot. I get it but can’t ignore people saying lies about my family. Especially mom. She’s still healing.

          • Prettylady!

            You know, you are a real hero in this too! Hang in there, sister!

            They are mean because they are hurt. Your moms’ very existence is salt in the wound of every woman who got an abortion. Most of the women that come to this site are looking to rationalized the horrible thing they did, or the thing someone close to them did. Our existence, condemning abortion, can’t be ignored by them because, if their conscience is functioning, they WILL feel guilty.

            And we are not talking about stealing-music -from- the- internet guilty, or allowed-my-dog-to-poop-on-the-neighbors-lawn guilty. Their guilt is an unthinkable crime to a woman: purposely killing your own child.

            I must remember this.They must be in more pain than I can imagine…. So I am going to be more gracious and kind.

          • Jackie Delgado

            Thank you!

  • NetWorker

    The beauty in this story lies in her ability to choose what was right for her and her family. If instead the government got to make that choice for her, this story wouldn’t exist.

    • Prettylady!

      Yes, and why did the government get in the way of southerners to own black slaves? Taking away their property.

      People are not property, cousin!

      • NetWorker

        Pardon me, but I’m not entirely sure I grasp the comparison. Can you expound on your reply?

        • Prettylady!

          Slavery was legal. There were arguments about whether new states could be let in as slave states. The citizens, in your worldview, would be free to “choose” whether to now slaves.

          In your world, Nazi’s, if they “choose,” should be able to kill jews.

          This is an unjust law that doesn’t protect the most vulnerable of our citizens.

          • NetWorker

            So a law outlawing abortion stands on the same legal ground as the abolition of slavery?

          • Prettylady!

            What is the legal ground? I don’t understand your terminology.

          • NetWorker

            Okay, I’ll try to clarify, whilst trying to avoid going down the proverbial rabbit-hole: Are you comparing those that are pro-choice in regards to abortion today to apologists for slavery prior to the Emancipation Proclamation?

          • Prettylady!

            Apologist or not, it was a fact: A free person, black people owned slaves too, could CHOOSE to own slaves or not. So just because something is legal, does not make it right. Abortion is wrong because it destroys a human life. Being pro choice ignores that.

            Unless you don’t think and embryo is human, then you are arguing with science.
            Under what circumstances do you think abortion is justified?

          • NetWorker

            Of course the legality of something doesn’t automatically make it right or wrong. Conversely, it is often morality that drives legality. The vast majority of Americans and human beings on the planet would no doubt agree that slavery is morally wrong, no matter the context (as a side note: I don’t see how people of color owning slaves prior to the Civil War is relevant to the discussion). Hence slavery is illegal in most if not all of the world.

            If you asked all Americans or humans globally to weigh in on the morality of abortion, I’d be willing to wager the response would be drastically different than the definitive denunciation of slavery. Unlike slavery, opinions on abortion morality vary widely, especially when it comes to specific contexts, such as rape, incest and the health of the pregnant woman. Hence the legality of abortion is in its current state.

            If I argue that an embryo conceived by humans is not a human embryo, I would be arguing against science. But agreeing that an embryo is “human” in no way equates to science granting full personhood status to a zygote at the moment of conception.

            My personal beliefs on abortion are not relevant; if you must know I consider the current legal status as established by the Supreme Court a fine balance. Here’s a question for you: Do you believe the US government is justified in forcing a girl who’s pregnancy is the result of a violent gang rape to carry the fetus to term without exception? If so, are there any circumstances where you think abortion is justified?

          • Prettylady!

            If you asked all Americans or humans globally to weigh in on the morality of abortion

            So, might makes right? Sounds like tyranny to me friend.

          • Prettylady!

            Rape is a great evil. Rapists should be given life of hard labor. But why give the child a death penalty? Will that unripe the victim?

  • JessieV

    This is such a ridiculous argument. I am pro-life, but I also
    understand that there are situations–like rape, or a threat to the
    safety of the mother–in which I can understand the desire for a choice
    in the matter. The problem is this–the prochoicers like to jump on
    cases like this as a reason to show the need for women to have a
    choice. However, that’s not really what we’re talking about. Less than
    1% of the abortions performed in the US are because the baby is a
    result of rape. We’re talking about the other 99%. Which–I’ll save you
    the mystery–largely amount to inconvenience, expense, lack of time, or the lack of desire to be responsible for someone else. That is the problem.
    Religious beliefs aside, have you ever heard of something called
    “natural consequences.” It’s a basic philosophy of parenting and
    education. It means that people learn through their mistakes–and the
    way they learn is by experiencing the “natural consequence” of their
    actions. If you get burned, you’ll be more careful around fire. If you
    have unprotected sex (or are not on birth control) when you aren’t
    emotionally, physically, or financially ready, you may get pregnant.
    Pregnancy is your natural consequence–the most amazing, beautiful, full of potential, consequence you will ever be blessed with. But we’ve taken that away–so no one learns anything. People now can effectively use abortion as birth control. And this will only get worse. Dismissing the sanctity of life is a slippery slope friends. ALL women have a choice and that is before they get pregnant. Decide to use birth control. Decide not to have sex. That is your choice.
    So rather than ruining this AMAZING woman’s comment section with ugly
    comments, why don’t you address the actual issues relating to abortion.

    • Prettylady!

      I also
      understand that there are situations–like rape, or a threat to the
      safety of the mother–in which I can understand the desire for a choice
      in the matter.

      I understand the desire too. We are humans. But I also know, you can’t kill an innocent human life for any reason. If you think its ok to kill an innocent (notice I said innocent) human life in some circumstances, then why not in others?

  • Prettylady!

    So “therapy” for rape is murdering ones own flesh and blood? Sounds like bad psychology!

  • Charlotte Rose Miller

    I am not a rape victim, I am a rape survivor. <3

    • Jennifer

      <3

  • Tonia McBride

    Actually, a fair amount of tests and tools exist to eliminate many of those things you talk about. And six times is a HUGE difference.

  • MJames

    It’s a touching story and I commend the bravery and openness of the couple to share such a personal event. I really appreciate that they were able to get past the rape aspect and celebrate the opportunity for another child to enter their lives. The husband was so supportive. What a better world it would be if every victim of rape and their husband, boyfriend, or partner were so open minded. Unfortunately, not everyone is. The moral of the story, for me, is that they had a choice in the matter. They consulted their morals, faith, and life circumstance in order to make a decision that was right, right for their own lives. The freedom of choice is the hallmark of what makes our country a tolerable and great nation. Very thought provoking, great story!

    • Prettylady!

      The freedom of choice is the hallmark of what makes our country a tolerable and great nation.

      DOn’t you think southerners should still have the “choice’ to own slave?

  • MGJ

    Oh I definitely would have aborted that child.

    • spermyniggerfetish

      Finally someone with a fucking brain in these mushy and delusional shit comments

  • Jennifer

    Yeahh, it’s a great story except that the whole “Oh, we’re havin’ another baby!” attitude so QUICKLY grabbed by the husband and then adopted by the wife was a LITTLE weird. Adoption would be a better option.

    • Jackie Delgado

      Not really your place to decide that though, is it?

      • Jennifer

        It’s certainly my place to decide what my opinion is, dear.

        • Jackie Delgado

          You didn’t say in your opinion, DEAR. You said adoption would be a better option. Maybe for you. That’s an opinion. You deciding for this couple the right course of action kind of isn’t your business.

    • Jennifer

      It seemed that way in the article maybe..that it was jumping for joy, but it was more shock. For a while actually. I was kind of numb and my husband was holding my hand (metaphorically and then physically) through it saying “we’ve been through a lot..We can get through this..It’s a baby..there’s nothing NOT wonderful about a new baby.” His quick response that kept me from going to pieces initially makes me think the possibility of a pregnancy had crossed his mind. So it wasn’t immediate elation. That took a little time..but the baby helped me find a bright spot in the midst of a nightmare.

  • Tracy Campbell

    A beautiful story; she is a good person, and a strong one.

    However, I still don’t think the choice should be made unavailable to others, because some people aren’t as strong.

    • Prettylady!

      Yes! Just like Nazi germany! I’m GLAD some germans decided not to kill jews, but isn’t it nice they had a choice if they were not so strong!!!

  • Tracy Campbell

    If the mother dies during childbirth, God meant for it to happen? What about all the people that we keep alive with medications and life support–even those poor children who have life-threatening illnesses at a young age? Your comment insinuates that we should leave things in God’s hands, but if we were to do that, then thousands of these individuals would die. If you believe that, that’s totally fine, but I just want to make sure you see it that way for all “precious human life” and not just selectively.

  • Tracy Campbell

    Ann, actually a fetus doesn’t start forming organs, a heart, etc. until about week 5 or 6, when the fetus is smaller than a grain of rice, and a pregnancy test can be taken as soon as two weeks after conception. A first trimester abortion can take place any time in the first 3 months–and honestly, if it takes someone three whole months to decide whether or not they want their fetus to continue growing, I just don’t know what to say.

    I just thought I’d clarify–I looked it up because it sounded interesting that organs could develop so soon.

    • Linda Canciglia McWilliams

      Tracy,
      your timeline is off. You probably went on a site that figures the weeks from the date of the last period, which sets everything back by at least 2 weeks.

  • Zolicon

    This couple truly values Human life and that is a rear comity on this planet.

  • Just call me Ang

    That was very sweet and thank you. :) There are unfair and evil things in the world, I just keep believing I can make something good come out of it. :) ❤️

  • laura

    Wait. I thought legitimate rape doesn’t result in pregnancy. Isn’t that what conservative politicians believe.

    Every victim should have the right to make that choice for herself.

    • Prettylady!

      choice to do what, sister?

  • Mary Winter

    What an incredible set of parents. Your strength and love for your child
    will make his “creation” story null and void. He will see your
    strength….he will see your love for him, and this will be nothing but a
    testament to your love and devotion as a parent. The world needs more
    internal strength like you and your husband’s. As for when you tell him
    of who his sperm donor was (I whole heartedly believe that the term
    “father” is not appropriate in this case; his father is the loving man
    that has given him love, guidance, and raised him as his own), you will
    know the appropriate time.

    • Jennifer

      That’s our prayer. Thank you so much, Mary.

  • Prettylady!

    Yes! And confederate leaders were not pro slavery, they were pro choice!!! Precision of language!

    • Pollux

      Pro- Choice? In what sense?

      • Prettylady!

        There was a time in this nation, about 200 years ago, when white people had the “choice” to own slaves. So, you could “choose” oppose slavery, or take advantage of it. It was your choice.

        • Pollux

          Alright, I’ll bite. What you described would technically be denying slaves a choice, so I suppose you could say that the opposing side of slavery was the real “pro- choice.” But these are two fundamentally different issues, and comparing them just muddles the real discussion.

          Nobody should tell anybody what to do in their personal lives, including who they love, what they eat, and when they have children. I can’t imagine anyone who actually supports abortions, and certainly wouldn’t feel that every woman must have an abortion! That’s absurd! The decision to have an abortion is no one else’s but the woman’s. That’s all that pro- choice is.

          • Prettylady!

            I agree. Southerners thought they could do what they wanted with their legal property.

            You see? Abortion has made children PROPERTY of their mother. No one ever has the right to OWN another person. Thats not a right. If it is legal, it is an unjust law, and thats why, for 40 year, it’s been fought.

            We are talking about logic and reason. Everyone, even the tiny, the helpless, the different, the very young, have a right to grow up. It is our DUTY to defend them.

          • Pollux

            Children do have every right to life, yes. But where do we cross the line from embryo to childhood? Pro- life supporters usually draw this line right at conception, but based on what? If it is the potential for the embryo to become a functional human being, what would that mean for birth control? Should haploid cells, like the egg and sperm, be held at the same high esteem as a fertilized zygote? If it is the human DNA, what about the human-ness of a severed finger, which, although lacking in brains, still has a very human DNA fingerprint. If it is the mental capacity for the embryo to feel pain, what about slaughtering chickens? Their nervous system is much more developed than that of an embryo.

            Of course, I feel the root of this issue is that cutoff. It’s my opinion is that that cutoff ought be around 24 weeks, when the fetus is viable and could survive outside the womb. Others believe it is at conception, and still others believe it’s at birth. The fact remains: it is not my business to have the government step in and tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her own body. That is a personal judgement call.

          • Prettylady!

            I would encourage you to take a look at Aristotelian logic. The Greek philosophers were very concerned with the idea that things can be known. In other words, how do can we know anything?

            They came up with telos. Telos is the end purpose of something. They believed all things had an end purpose. For instance, the end puropose of an apple seed was to grow up and produce apples. They believed that the telos was IMBEDDED in the object.

            This is opposed to Decarte or Rousseau who thought that things only existed if an individual thought they existed. Nothing has a purpose outside an individuals use for it. That individual, could will anything she wanted. If a human, possessing a Cartesian mindset that the individual determined reality, were extremely talendted and convinced others of their view of reality, then anything is possible. Thats hitler. Hitler took the nietzscheian view that man determine reality for himself.

            Now think about this. If a man with extraordinary talent of purseuasion and propaganda, held an view that jews were not really human, look at what could happen.

            With abortion, we have decorate, rousseau and nietzsche on full display. But here is the tyranny of the majority and bullies in the supreme court.

            Your thinking is going in the right direction, Poullux. Never stop searching for truth.

          • Prettylady!

            what about 23 weeks, 6 days?

          • Pollux

            I respect your Telos post, as it was a well drafted argument. But you can argue later or earlier in the term using the logic of your second post. The personhood of an embryo, unlike a fully developed human, is debatable to a high enough degree that we really can’t say for certain when there is this “tada!” moment that a zygote becomes a person. In the case of slavery and Nazism, they are obviously dealing with persons, so it’s really not comparable. When it comes to an embryo, which is very clearly different from a human adult, and still very dependent on the woman that is growing it with her own body, the woman ought to have the right to think through the issues the same way you and I have and make a decision based on her own views. Unlike slavery and Nazism, this issue concerns her body directly.

          • Prettylady!

            That we are defining what a person is, is quite scary. Don’t you think so? If we can define a person, than we can define them not persons. Thats tyranny territory, toots!

            There was a blog here a while back about an orangoutang who was declared a person.

            Do you see how intellectual elites are trying to redefine humanity? Again, Rousseau said reality isn’t discoverable, but created and up to the individual to determine reality, and, based on their influence, they can will what they want. Thats tyranny.

            An embyo is a human life. Through logic, science has discovered this reality.

            This person hood red herring is a way to simply keep aborting human life. What about an infant? IS she fully developed? What about a teenager? Are they fully developed? Why leave this in the womb? Why not extend your person hood argument to beyond the womb. To the elderly, those parasites. IN your quest to make a better world through Cartesian “personal autonomy” you would have us be murderers..

            Again, the powerful decides. Thats not Right. That’s might. The mighty declared black people were not persons 200 years ago.

            There is no opinion here. This is right and wrong and it’s wrong to take an innocent human life end of story.

            This will always be a fight, because we are talking about redefining reality. Those like me, who seek truth, can’t stop protesting insanity.

            Insanity is an inability to perceive reality. That’s abortion. Thats Neitche.

            But I wonder. Has anyone close to you had an abortion?.

          • Pollux

            It’s actually not scary that we are discussing personhood at all. People have been speculating about what constitutes a person for many years. Is it genetic? Rationale? We don’t fully know. But that certainly isn’t “tyrrany territory” although it seems you’ve made the two terms synonymous. Tyrrany is purely governmental, and it can be argued that making abortions illegal is a form of it.

            No, abortion is not insanity, and it’s not an inability to perceive reality. There are lots of things that separate embryos from children and teenagers, one being that embryos are not self- supportive, have no developed nervous system, and, in most abortions, which usually range from 6 to 10 weeks, are usually no bigger than a pea.

            There is no “personhood” Red Herring, as a Red Herring is a discussion to distract you from the issue, kind of like equating Nazism to abortion. Understanding personhood is key to forming an opinion about abortion. Pro- life (anti- choice?) relies on the fact that the zygote is a person in order to make abortions illegal but killing cows for food perfectly acceptable. Granted, I’m not arguing that eating steak isn’t okay, it’s just a good pointer in highlighting the importance of understanding personhood.

            Whether or not I or someone I know wants an abortion or not is not the government’s business, and frankly isn’t yours either. Now you are simply being disrespectful, “toots.”

          • Prettylady!

            I can smell an abortion a mile a way. Rationalizing is what you have been doing here, friend.

            You have done the most horrible thing a mother can do, and now you are rationalizing it away like a drunk blames his drinking on his wife, his kids, his boss.

            There is forgiveness. But you must shed your pride and admit your crime. God bless you sister,

            PS, I just like the sound of tyranny territory, toots! Lots of T’s!

      • Prettylady!

        Do you see that? Slavery was an unjust law. Abortion is an unjust law.

        Slavery is illegal now. But there are STILL slaves. TO the pro abortion bunch, would say slavery needs to be legalized, because, since time immemoria, people have chosen to enslave people…

  • Prettylady!

    And she was able to make her own choice

    Choice to do what?

  • Laurel

    WTF,,,,Nikki as you for really for real? Are you SERIOUSLY saying that
    is was your GOD’s plan for this woman to raped (put though one of the
    most horrific, abusive, demeaning, degrading….etc… things that could
    happen to a woman) and then be impregnated by this possible psychopath! And you sit there
    with these smug, vile words spewing out and saying that IF she HAD
    chosen abortion, SHE would have been evil in your eyes and in your GOD’s
    eyes? And to make matters worse, you went a step further and stated
    that if she had died during child birth then once again that would have
    been God’s plan??? So let me get this straight….GOD got this woman
    raped and GOD made sure that she became pregnant as a result of that
    rape! And if she has chosen to terminate the pregnancy she would have
    been labeled as an evil baby murderer (by you and your GOD), (and most
    surely punished in some other way for that heinous act!) but since she
    chose to have the baby and had she died during child birth…that would
    also have been part of GOD’S plan??? WHo the hell are you Nikki and why
    the hell do you honor a GOD who would do such things….that is scary,
    real scary. It’s things like this and people like you who make me
    reaffirm my choice of Atheism! ANd I’ll go even further to say that
    while some children born out of rape and know about it, may say that
    they can live a healthy, normal life, but not all kids are the same…no
    one can say for sure that this child – no matter how much love and
    caring he is shown and no matter at what age or how he is told about it –
    will not experience a variety of unpleasantness. Not to mention that
    FACT that if the rapist is mentally disturbed (as he more that likely
    was/is) the child could harbor some of the same characteristics. So Nikki, think on that for a while!

  • Joanne Clare

    I just wonder if you are sure your son was a result of the rape. If you are, then it is not only your courage I admire.. but your husband. wow. You have the best husband ever. And, yes the baby, well he is the luckiest one ever. God is with you all for sure. No words can explain what I feel for you right now.

  • S wood

    I would just like to say God bless you and your husband you are very strong people. I am against abortion, but I also can’t speak for those who are victims of rape. I’ve always told people if I was raped I would try so so very hard to do exactly what you did. Some people are not able to do so for what ever reason and I understand that. And if I was able to have the baby but wasn’t able to overcome the fact that I was raped I would give the baby to a family who would love it and give it what I couldn’t. I never felt bad about this because it’s what I thought was right to do. Everyone is different and I try not to judge. But I must say you did something so brave and I admire that. I hope for the best for your family.

  • Giancarlo

    Bottom line..
    Remove Religion out of the equation as its ALL man made and pretend.
    A human has every right to keep or destroy what they create.. why? Because
    humans regularly KILL animals (Oh and sometimes PEOPLE) for food, fun and political gain to which all live and breath with hearts and minds equally… which seems to be OK and LEGAL.
    People need to get their heads out of their ass and realize we are ALL animals on this planet that bread and kill without prejudice… Difference is Perception. Stops killing Animals (for food and fun), People (war and violence) and then have an opinion about abortion. Till then shut up. That is all.. thanks.

  • Karla Paola

    That´s a good word CHOSE LIFE, means that she is aware you have a right to keep or end a pregnancy. Is HER CHOICE. She chose to keep it, good for her. Glad it turn out to be great for them, but if she had CHOSE not to keep him, who am I to judge? WHO are YOU to judge? I know Im getting a lot of hate, and it baffels me how people who claim to love God have the ability to be so mean and hateful. People chose to have premarital sex all the time, cheat, abusse their spouse, children, lie… and none get judges as hardly as a woman who choses to end an unwanted pregnancy… why? How come a solider that kills thousands of innocent children, women, men is praised as a hero, and a woman who makes a conscious decitions she doesnt want, or cant provide a decent life for another human being is consider a monster?

  • Free bird<God Is Not Dead<

    Thank You for choosing the only right choice ! I was a victim of rape at the age of 13 ! I was and I still am Pro-Life ! <3

  • Some Guy

    Great story- except for when the child finds out how it was concieved. That will be the worst thing for that person. Jeesh- people with children are the most self-centered people.

  • spermyniggerfetish

    Stupid white bitch

    • Jackie Delgado

      If you don’t have anything intelligent to add to the discussion, why waste our time? If we wanted to read comments like that we could just encourage 12 year olds to post.

      • spermyniggerfetish

        Because you’re probably a rape baby.

        • Jackie Delgado

          You are one classy “lady”.

  • spermyniggerfetish

    This is not fucking “wonderful” idk wtf is wrong with all of you? Do you all have rape and accidental pregnancy fetishes? Get some fucking help.

  • LoveTheLeast8

    Emma,

    It is factually incorrect that there is no heartbeat at 4 weeks. An ultrasounds may not be able to detect it but the heartbeat starts at around 21 days (3 weeks) according to college embryology textbooks.

    Also the human embryo is living. That is an undisputed scientific fact. It meets all the tests of what a living organism is under scientific analysis.

  • inti

    She is naive, stupid or both. She could have gone to emergency hospital next day and
    prevent the pregnancy along having the entire test for STDS and collecting the
    sperm for future evidence….

    I fully agree with Gray Panther.
    But deep inside me, I don’t believe her story, she had unprotected sex with her
    lover and she worked up a lie for her husband.

    I used to have a friend who used to be sent all around the country as part of her work, with her coworkers. I was shocked when she told me that she used to have sex with her coworkers! My friend was married for the second time to a younger man, an only child, nice looking, smart and rich, yet she was not happy, she always was having sx affairs with her coworkers.

    • Jackie Delgado

      I guess she beat the crap out of herself too. AND went to the hospital for a rape kit to make it look legit.. more than a month before finding out about the baby (just in case she turned up pregnant?) And THEN went public to share her story ..if there was any lingering doubt. Sure…. most women would assume their spouse would be more accepting of a child from RAPE rather than an affair.
      Sure.. I think you saw through the ruse! You’re just too clever.

      • Eponymous1

        LOL.

    • Neversaynever

      The story sounds concocted , I agree.

      • inti

        Yes, to me it is highly suspicious. :)

        • Neversaynever

          I didn’t read the full story but it came across a bit sentimental. I am ‘pro life’ by the way even thought I am left wing.

          • inti

            I know of someone who went to work early in the morning, she never
            returned to her husband and two children. They call to her work and the
            employed said that everything was well and that she left to go home as usual. She stayed away from her family until next day evening and when she returned
            home, she told her husband that she did not remember anything. The couple had
            two children the first was her husband, the second a girl who does not look to
            any one of them, not even a little to her brother. As soon as her husband died,
            at a younger age, she moved her lover to their beautiful home, built by her husband and everything paid for.

          • Neversaynever

            Ah! That’s women for you!

          • inti

            No. I don’t like people who are
            liars… People have to be faithful to their husband and wife… that is the
            right thing to do. I could not live with someone who cheats.

          • Neversaynever

            There are so many temptations and God made us weak!

          • inti

            I don’t fall for temptations. I know in my guts when something is not right. You know that feeling like butterflies in your stomach that tells me, pull away, it is not
            right…
            My life is harmonized and energize when I know deep inside me that I am doing the right thing not just for myself, but for others as well.
            Logically we are all tempted, but we need to know when to stop, when to say no because we know that we are going to hurt others and ourselves…

          • Neversaynever

            Very wise. My wife wound say exactly the same thing. Joe might procrastinate but would agree with you.

          • inti

            :)

          • Neversaynever

            ? for you. Were you even a Hippie? I hear a piece on Neil Young on the radio , never knew he was Canadian but made me think of you. Peace & love.

          • inti

            No I was not a Hippie, I just don’t fallow everyone else. I am a little different. I don’t like to be like everyone else. I only cover my head during cold winter, the rest of the time, I too like to used cool skirts , blouses and to be stylish…high heals, etc.

          • Neversaynever

            I was a semi Hippie but all that ‘like to buy the world a Coke’ grated againts my teenage Marxist viewpoint. I could smell a multinational trying to hijack a new whatever egalitarian view of the world. Like the Kibbutz and how that was manipulated. Sure Vinegar Hill will echo that.
            But getting back to the Hippie – that was agraints the grain so that might have suited you – but forgive me you were only a mere babes in arms when that happened.

          • inti

            I had another culture and then I was far away from Buenos Aires. I can only remember like a dream the Beatles and I had some of their picture cards. Last time I went to my parents
            home I saw them…

          • inti

            I love him, I actually relaxed when I hear him and his music…He is very interesting to hear speak.
            Thanks you xxx

          • Neversaynever

            Yes, I’m glad you like him. Read his account when he was in the IDF when he saw the Palestinian prisoners put in dog cages in the heat of the sun. Personally, I like to meet him but the first thing I’d say is I dislike Jazz.

          • inti

            I am not crazy about Jazz, I learned to find joy in it as an adult, my daughter likes it, but then she loves all kind of music…
            There is some kind of music I rather not listened, and eventually I will tell about it. I avoid
            because they make me sad…

          • Neversaynever

            Thought I replied, anyhow – Yes lesson is don’t trust women. Maybe the Mohammedan are spot on.
            Funny, just a few mins ago i was looking at archival movie of Ireland in the 60’s and all the women on the street cover their heads in scarfs!
            Probably the bloody_cold!

          • inti

            I cover my head differently than others in here, I get those large Pashmina silk scarf
            and I have a collection of them about 25! . I fold them in two and cover my head French style, and I love those scarf, because they are not bulky, they are very soft and they are colorful.

          • Neversaynever

            Ok, I’ll Google that up. My daughter who travels a lot tells me that girls love head covers and delight in wearing them this way and that way and here we were in the West feeling sorry for them!

          • inti

            LOL. Your daughter knows best.
            I always used scarf, or shawls to cover my head during the winter. Believe me it is the best manner to keep warm in winter here, it also covers of my face, mouth and nose, neck and shoulders… It feels like a cat.:)

          • inti

            Actually the ones I have are shawls, not scarf. They are large and very useful. I don’t like to wear hats in winter.
            I bet your daughter is very stylish.

    • Eponymous1

      Your “friend” in this story is a sleazeball. Just because the people you befriend (or know, per your story below) are lowlife lying adulterers doesn’t mean that everyone is.

      • inti

        I don’t believe the story of this woman, she seems educated, why wouldn’t she go right away to the hospital to prevent the pregnancy and STDS, unless she wanted a child which her husband could not give her and she went to sleep with the supposedly ”rapist” willingly to get pregnant…
        I saw too many women and men who were married and had lovers and their partner did not know. If men and women think their husbands and wives are saints, think again, they all go and fxkx around with strangers.

        • Jennifer

          If you read the article again, you’ll notice that this baby was my fifth. As in, I already had four children with my husband. Him impregnating me has not been a problem. As far as not going to the hospital? Did you miss the part about the rape kit? That takes place in the emergency room..of a hospital. I’m not sure where such anger/bitterness stems from but so you know, not every spouse is unfaithful.
          All the best.

  • Jackie Delgado

    You’re trying so hard to convince yourself that it wasn’t a baby you killed. I think you know it was. The desperation is palpable. I’m sorry for the loss of your son or daughter. I’m so sorry for your pain. I hope you can forgive yourself and move forward. Truly..

  • inti

    There are too many very good comments deleted from Live Action News.

  • amkaen

    What an awesome testimony. God is capable in all things, to make even the most evil of situations reflect His redemptive power.

    • Jackie Delgado

      Beauty for ashes.

  • Aaron

    People tried to push abortion on my parents but I wouldn’t be here telling you this if they went through with it now would i?? But GOD has a purpose for my life to show people HIS Love to everybody :))) GOD is good I will forever be HIS baby and HE will always be my DADDY :))

    • Jennifer

      Exactly. ~ smile
      Every life has a purpose. Every life is valuable to Him.

  • Anthony Gonzales

    My child would know and I would raise him with the strength that my FATHER CHRIST gives.He is not a burden I am his mothers husband and GOD IS HIS FATHER and I am the man that was meant to raise him and that he is innocent of the crime against his mother and this family and that is why FATHER GOD allowed him to live is because HE blessed me with understanding AMEN

    • Jennifer

      Beautifully put.

  • Sheralee Charles

    I am beside myself with joy over this article. That a woman and her husband would choose life in this situation is an amazing story. As for the child, sometimes it is better not to hide the truth. At an early age, a child is more resilient more able to assimilate information. Though they might not completely understand the implications, parents have made more mistakes by hiding information than by being honest and open. My oldest son appreciates my openness and candor about his father. There was no way that I would demand truth and honesty from my son without being completely honest with him. We as adults try to “protect” our kids from the ugly truth, and we end up damaging them further in the process. Timing is important, but should never overcome honesty.

    • Jennifer

      We’re in constant prayer over how to handle this. Our little one is eight months old and all dimpled smiles right now and I can hardly believe how quickly the time has gone by. I know it will be difficult but he has a mommy and daddy and a big sister and brothers (and grandparents) who adore him to pieces. He was wanted from the moment we learned of him and was welcomed with joy. Love covers a multitude of sins.

      • Sheralee Charles

        God bless you, Jennifer! He will give you guidance every step of the way as you seek His face. He will give you the words to say, and the right time to say them. He is so good like that. Out of the worst of circumstances, He can bring joy and blessing. Thank you for your reply!

        • Jennifer

          Thank you for YOURS! I stopped reading these a while ago with so many hateful comments. I’m glad I checked back in! God bless you. ❤

    • Sheralee Charles

      I find it interesting the number of folks who have a lot to say about my comment. When I wrote this comment, I did so knowing my past history and growing up in a family where lies and cover ups made everything better. The frank fact is….when I became an adult and started dealing with a lifetime of struggles myself, then the truth came out. I was heartbroken. I was traumatized, and the world I grew up in began to make sense to me finally. All I am saying is pray about a time that is right, and tell the child in the most loving way possible. I didn’t even say you have to tell them it was rape at first. You can safely tell them that they had a different daddy without going through the entire circumstance. The fact is I wouldn’t tell my 5 year old that she was a product of rape. Nor would I expose her to an environment where she would be victimized as well. There is a time and a season. There is a way to talk to a child without having to traumatize them. I have done this with my three sons, and I know that my 18 year old has grown up to be a better, more responsible man because I was honest with him about what his father did to me. After he has watched me suffer and arise from suffering, he now sees that his actions have consequences for others. I believe he is more aware because I chose to tell him the truth and use the truth to teach him life lessons along the way. I find it interesting the number of folks who have a lot to say about my comment. When I wrote this comment, I did so knowing my past history and growing up in a family where lies and cover ups made everything better. The frank fact is….when I became an adult and started dealing with a lifetime of struggles myself, then the truth came out. I was heartbroken. I was traumatized, and the world I grew up in began to make sense to me finally. All I am saying is pray about a time that is right, and tell the child in the most loving way possible. I didn’t even say you have to tell them it was rape at first. You can safely tell them that they had a different daddy without going through the entire circumstance. The fact is I wouldn’t tell my 5 year old that she was a product of rape. Nor would I expose her to an environment where she would be victimized as well. There is a time and a season. There is a way to talk to a child without having to traumatize them. I have done this with my three sons, and I know that my 18 year old has grown up to be a better, more responsible man because I was honest with him about what his father did to me. After he has watched me suffer and arise from suffering, he now sees that his actions have consequences for others. I believe he is more aware because I chose to tell him the truth and use the truth to teach him life lessons along the way.

    • Sheralee Charles

      I find it interesting the number of folks who have a lot to say about my comment. When I wrote this comment, I did so knowing my past history and growing up in a family where lies and cover ups made everything better. The frank fact is….when I became an adult and started dealing with a lifetime of struggles myself, then the truth came out. I was heartbroken. I was traumatized, and the world I grew up in began to make sense to me finally. All I am saying is pray about a time that is right, and tell the child in the most loving way possible. I didn’t even say you have to tell them it was rape at first. You can safely tell them that they had a different daddy without going through the entire circumstance. The fact is I wouldn’t tell my 5 year old that she was a product of rape. Nor would I expose her to an environment where she would be victimized as well. There is a time and a season. There is a way to talk to a child without having to traumatize them. I have done this with my three sons, and I know that my 18 year old has grown up to be a better, more responsible man because I was honest with him about what his father did to me. After he has watched me suffer and arise from suffering, he now sees that his actions have consequences for others. I believe he is more aware because I chose to tell him the truth and use the truth to teach him life lessons along the way.

  • Jobeck74

    Having been born of similar circumstances and having learned that an abortion doctor talked my mom out of an abortion, I must add that the way a child finds out about his conception does matter. My alcoholic mother chose a very cruel way to tell me. That being said it’s always right to choose life!!! Glad she has her son to help heal her heart.

  • Margy Pyka

    I, too, chose life… But I gave her up for adoption. I was 19 & in college. She’ll be 20 this year. I have been married for 14 yrs now & we have 3 girls. All of us are very excited to meet her one day.

  • bodica

    What a wonderful mother and father – husband to her. May all their children be a joy and blessing to them. <3

    • Jennifer

      Thank you. ❤

  • prolifemama

    @emma – I don’t think Gray Panther meant that the choice to abort should be respected; I think s/he refers to when/if they tell their son about the circumstances surrounding his conception.

  • Cristina4Jesus

    Powerful. Stories like these changed my mind re aborting babies of rape. They deserve a chance to live, they should not be given the death penalty — their rapist dad should!

    • Jennifer

      I agree completely. Yet less than 2% of rapists ever serve any time in prison. How’s that for infuriating?

  • Jennifer

    I judge no one. It isn’t my place. I agree completely. My purpose in sharing was only to say that there are other options. Options that you think might make things worse but many find very healing. Empowering. I don’t know that I would have thought so before it happened to me.

  • Jennifer

    ❤ And yours.

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