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The Abortioneers: men’s opinions only count if they agree with us

The notion that men should have a say in abortion or “reproductive rights” seems preposterous to pro-choice groups. So much so that Planned Parenthood has challenged state laws requiring spousal consent for abortion (Planned Parenthood vs. Danforth, Planned Parenthood vs. Casey). They say that men, even husbands, should have absolutely no right to protect their child from abortion. The same goes for birth control. The latest buzz in the “reproductive rights” circle was that men should have no opinion in the matter. So-called feminists like Sandra Fluke would like us to believe that her uterus is her business yet she wants the rest of us to foot the bill for her birth control. Since when is feminism about asking for handouts? Basically, when it comes to birth control and abortion, men should just shut up. Their voices silenced. Their opinions irrelevant. Unless of course those men want to give women the money for either of those things.

Anti-Anti of The Abortioneers recently referred to men as a silent suffering group, but not for the reasons you would think, such as watching their child die at the hands of their partner and an abortionist. No, the Abortioneers want men to stand up for birth control and abortion because, “aren’t men really more pro-no-babies than women anyway?”

Men are more against babies than women are? Are we suddenly a society that is all against babies? Children aren’t the punishment pro-aborts want the world to believe they are. Babies are pretty darn cute, not to mention fun and the affirmation that life is a gift. And while they do take work and dedication, so does everything else in life that is worth having.

The writer, Anti-Anti also claims that deadbeat dads would make great advocates for the birth control debate, “even if just to keep their pregnant partners off their backs?” Basically, women can choose to use birth control, to abort or to be a mother (or give their child to a loving couple, but pro-aborts always seem to forget that option). But a man can only sit back and wait for his partner to make all of the decisions from birth control to whether their baby will die, or to whether he will be a father. If that birth control fails or she forgets to take it and she decides to keep the baby, but he (who had no say) decides not to be a father, he is labeled a deadbeat who forces his strong, feminist partner to morph into a nagging, dependent, wounded victim. If he is against an abortion, but the woman wants one, she is considered brave and he is considered anti-woman. Either way, women get to make the decisions and men are expected to live with it. It reeks with sexism.

Anti-Anti goes on to ask, “How do we get the men as angry as we are? How can we get them to practice what they secretly preach?  We cannot continue to fight this fight on our own!” After years of pushing men away and telling them to keep out of women’s matters, apparently it’s time to pull them back in. The abortionists, who have literally spent decades trying to silence men and devoted hours of their time to devaluing the male opinion, are now begging men to speak up.  I guess that means they’re desperate for support.  And that is a good sign for the cause of life.

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  • MoonChild02

    I’ve never understood the argument that men have no say about abortion. Since men are required, by law, to pay child support if the mother chooses to give the child life, then men should have a say in the debate on abortion. There’s also the fact that the man helped to create the child, so he should have a say on keeping the life of that child. It’s misandry (the feminine counterpart to misogyny) to say otherwise. The shoe is on the other foot now, girls. If you want respect, you have to give respect back.

    If you don’t want a man to have a say, don’t have sex with him! You cannot just leap into bed with him, and then blame him and call him names when he comes to the rescue of the child he helped create. That’s not how it works. You have to take responsibility for your own actions. Don’t pretend that men can’t have an opinion in this, because they can, just as much as we women can.

  • Shelly200

    Love this! Too true! When a woman doesn’t want her baby it’s “MY body, MY choice!” But when she DOES want the baby, then it’s “You better pay me child support for OUR child! It takes TWO to make a baby!”

    Hyp. O. Crites.

    • notimportant

      They justify this idea with the claim of the fact that it’s the woman who must carry and deliver the baby, so therefor the choice is entirely hers. I’m not saying I agree, but we do have to admit that when it comes to creating humans, women do bear the brunt of the work. I know that is why pro-choice women freak out about pro-life men; they don’t feel that pro-life men acknowledge a woman’s sacrifice nor do they recognize how unevenly the odds are stacked against a pregnant mom or new mom out in society. What they don’t realize is that it’s not the pro-life guys who don’t see how society is or are careless about a woman’s sacrifice….it’s the pro-choice men who don’t care.

      • LowlyOne

        I get what you are saying but I have to make a minor correction. The mother and father spend the same effort creating the baby. The baby is fully created at fertalization. The extra work the mother does is carrying the baby to term.

  • Elise77

    Yep. And why SHOULD the men flock to their side? WE’RE the ones who would give them a voice in the whole thing. They only want to hear from men who are willing to toe the  party line. 

    Guess what else? The QUALITY men are going to be on OUR side. The ones with integrity, who would choose fatherhood and family and live up to their obligations. The ones who would be attentive partners to their pregnant mates, doting fathers to their offspring, etc. The other kind? The ones who want to have their fun without considering the consequences? Who will be all too happy to drop their women off at the clinic to get their “problems taken care of,” or who will be deadbeats if their children are born? Let them HAVE ‘em. They deserve each other. It’s the exact same mentality. To those men, women are disposable. To those women, their babies are disposable. Nothing matters more than having what you want, when you want it.

    I think deadbeat fathers are among the lowest of the low. However, as long as abortion is a “woman’s choice” and the fathers have no say, I think child support should be a man’s choice. You can’t have your cake and eat it too, ladies. Where’s the “equality”?

  • Jlschaffer01

    Last time I checked any man can put a cheap little thing called a condom on and solve the problem of an unplanned pregnancy.  No one has the God-given right to tell any woman what goes on inside her own body.  You are all Pro-Life until the baby is born, then it’s let cut funding for all the social programs they need, let’s not let women use birth control because the are dishonoring “our” religious beliefs, never mind what the woman’s religious and personal beliefs are.  Why don’t you support sex ed, and birth control, so abortion rates go down even more than they have been?  Why, because it does not fit your agenda that women have gotten too high and mighty for your comfort and you want to force them into your idea of what their life should be.  You are reprehensible in your actions and in the lies you make up about women and the pro-choice movement.  Do you really think that a woman who has made the agonizing decision to end a pregnancy has not considered every aspect in her decision?  No, according to you women are stupid, mindless people who just think it is a lark to have an abortion.  Having legislatures pass a law that gives the state the right to rape a woman before an abortion is horrible, and you should all be ashamed of yourselves for justifying the rape of women.

    • MoonChild02

      We do support families after the baby is born, that’s why we run pregnancy resource centers. We help them with food, shelter, clothing, baby items, education, job training and resources, paying bills, medical, prenatal checkups, babysitting, etc. Churches are the ones who run most of the food pantries, homeless shelters, and other resources. Please stop the lies.

      The biological reason that sex exists is for procreation. Every time you have sex, condom or no condom, there is a chance of pregnancy. If you don’t want to have kids, don’t have sex. The woman created that child. The child didn’t choose to be created. She put that child there, and she should take responsibility for her own actions. We’re not frail little waifs, we were created to carry children. We’re not stupid, mindless people. We’re incredibly smart. We just know that abortion is bad for us, and we don’t want to see other women go through what we’ve seen others go through, and we don’t want to strip the rights of the women in the womb, because they’re human beings, too!

      And who in the world ever said that we justify rape?! We abhor it! It’s the ultimate violation of one’s body!

      Seriously, you need to study more about our movement and the philosophies and sciences behind it before judging us for our beliefs.

      http://www.feministsforlife.org/
      http://www.silentnomoreawareness.org/
      http://www.theunchoice.org/
      http://www.physiciansforlife.org/
      https://www.care-net.org/

    • Shelly200

      Firstly, you are right: a man can put on a condom. If he doesn’t, a woman can choose not to sleep with him. However, if he doesn’t put one on, and she sleeps with him anyway…. well, then… it’s just as much HER fault as it is HIS.

      Secondly, learn a little bit more about the pro-life movement before you say we don’t care about babies after they’re born. That’s not only a complete and total lie, but it’s a STUPID complete and total lie.

      Thirdly, a woman can have whatever religious beliefs she wants — not all pro-lifers are of the same religion or are religious at all — but that has nothing to do with the fact that it is against the law to kill another human being. And since a fetus is a human being separate from its mother, then it is murder to kill him/her.

      Fourthly, pro-lifers DO support sex ed. Just not Planned Parenthood’s version of sex ed, which is basicly: “Here is how you masturbate. It’s fun! Here is how you have sex. It’s fun! Take some free condoms! When you get knocked up or get an STD, here’s a list of our services and prices! Bye!” Um. Stupid.

      Fifthly, agonziing long and hard over whether or not to kill someone…. doesn’t make it okay to kill someone. No matter how tough of a decision it was. It was still the wrong decision. Saying women think about abortion before having them doesn’t make the abortion less wrong. I can think long and hard, agonizing over whether or not I should steal your car. Guess what? It’s still wrong for me to steal your car. Period.

      Sixthly, the pro-life movement is all about how wonderful women are, not about how stupid they are. What’s stupid is taking women’s CHOICES away by saying that only have ONE: abortion. “You’re in school, you can’t raise a baby. You’re too poor, you can’t raise a baby. You’re single, you can’t raise a baby.” Blah,blah, blah. How about: “If you want your baby, keep him! We’ll help you out!” Or “You want life for you baby? We’ll set up an adoption plan for you!”  

      Seventhly, if a transvaginal ultrasound is rape, then an abortion is the mother of all rapes. Abortion doctors ALREADY perform these ultrasounds. Why? Because it’s SAFER. Do you want women to have botched abortions? Apparently you do. Otherwise you wouldn’t be against a law that makes abortion SAFER. Period. And if a woman can’t handle the safe, easy, gentle ministrations of a transvaginal ultrasound, then she probably shouldn’t be considering an invasive medical procedure that is so painful she needs to be drugged up, and that will cause severe bleeding, cramping, and could cause her serious health issues. So far, I’ve never heard of a woman bleeding from, having complications from, or dying from a transvaginal ultrasound.

  • Biggydsb

    An exclamation and revelation in every sentence.  Bravo Nancy!!

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  • fallen angel

    I think that if the abortion pills or abortion; period; is going to be paid for by the healthcare law that men will be able to fight against paying child support for a child that came about by just seeing a woman and having a good time sexually;  I, as a woman myself, do not believe this should be.  I, now believe, that sexism is going against men instead of women for the following reasons; first, some women think no one has any rights to anything about their bodies except to pay for whatever comes from the sexual organs that they have decided they are not responsible for if a baby comes about; how many men are in court for child support for a child they do not want ( I call this the abortion of a father; only after the birth).   I have known men in court constantly to have the support increased, etc.   If the new healthcare law expects everyone to pay for their own type of birth control no matter what it is then if that woman gets pregnant and the father does not want the baby then the woman should have no right to take a man to court for child support; when she has the opportunity to not have the baby by an abortion paid by all taxpayers by the way and does not do it especially if she believes that will get her and the guy together and live a happy little life with their baby.   Why should a man pay for a child he did not want?  Why should a woman have a child she does not want?  What is the difference; so for all women out there that think there will not be reprecussions from this from the men and in fact, I would not doubt if the A.C.L.U. would get involved; you better think again.  There will be men that fight against child support for a child they did not agree on;  when you play you have to pay and this does include women so good luck if you try to obtain child support because I totally believe the men will have a sexist law suit like women have had for so long.  How can it not happen?   The best way to avoid it is abstinence we all know but that of course is very difficult to do;  the next best thing is birth control which is relatively cheap and I always had to pay for my own so why not the young women of today?  It is not the man’s fault you got pregnant; it is yours ; as the old saying goes; keep your legs together; so if you have sex and have a baby there will be another constitutional lawsuit and probably ending up in the Supreme Court; what a waste of this government’s money?  We have many more desperate situations then what happens when men and women have sex;  you are all a bunch of selfish little girls no matter what your age is. You all ought to thank your mothers for not aborting you or you would not be here ranting and raving about paying for birth control no matter what you call it.  I see it this way if a child is aborted and could live at that stage that is o.k. according to law but if you would have went into natural labor at the same time right before you had a chance to have it aborted and you killed it by your own hand then you are a murderer of a baby.  I am sorry, there is not much difference so think hard and long because no matter what you will have to live with this decision the rest of your life and as you get older start thinking about what your baby would have looked like or about what age would your baby be; do not think that just by having a procedure all is forgotten,  far from it; really and now men get your lawyers to fight paying the child support since it takes two you should have a right if they are going to do this unbelievable thing. 

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