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USA Today: How will we kill all the babies with Down syndrome with a 20 week abortion ban?

Polling by Gallup and others has shown that most Americans oppose late-term abortion and support the banning of it in the second and third trimesters. Texas’s SB5 20-week abortion ban has brought the issue of banning late-term abortions back into the national spotlight, and now, pro-aborts are scrambling to find a way to make the abhorrent practice palatable to the public, with the media being more than complicit.

The latest example is in USA Today, where the official editorial board ran a piece justifying why women need late-term abortion. There’s the usual blather about how banning them would create more Gosnells, because he ignored his state’s 24-week abortion ban, which just makes perfect sense. And then we get to the meat of their argument: we need late-term abortions because otherwise, women won’t be able to kill babies with Down syndrome and other abnormalities!

Moreover, many grave, even lethal fetal anomalies aren’t discovered until or near 20 weeks, at which point some women decide to terminate a pregnancy. Bans will prevent reputable doctors from performing those abortions, leaving a void that criminals such as Gosnell will slither in to fill.

While some genetic conditions, such as Down syndrome, can be detected with amniocentesis at 16 to 22 weeks, even then it can take two weeks to get results. Add specialists, research and time to reflect, and a 20-week ban forces women and couples to make heartrending decisions against a ticking clock.

In some cases, they’d have no opportunity at all. Some of the most serious impairments — the failure of kidneys to materialize, or the development of organs outside the body — aren’t discovered before couples at low-risk for problems have routine ultrasounds, at about 18 to 20 weeks.

Finding out your child has a fetal abnormality is heartbreaking. Many times, the problem can be repaired after birth – if it even exists. Ultrasounds aren’t foolproof, after all. This is the most popular excuse pro-aborts trot out for late-term abortion, even though the pro-abortion Guttmacher Institute has found that only around 2% of women have late-term abortions because some sort of fetal abnormality was found. It is overwhelmingly for reasons of convenience – but that just wouldn’t sell as well, would it?

But when a mother does get an actual diagnosis, such as Down syndrome after an amniocentesis, should she be allowed to then have an abortion? Babies who have a birth defect are not somehow broken – and it certainly doesn’t mean that they don’t deserve a chance at life.

downs-childThere are a million excuses for late-term abortion, such as just in case the baby has Down syndrome, because evidently it’s acceptable for us to decide for someone else whether or not her life is worth living. So often pro-aborts will say that they simply didn’t want their child to suffer – but who was the person who defined suffering? Who decided that this child’s life just wasn’t worth living? It wasn’t the person whose life was snuffed out, that’s for sure.

It isn’t acceptable for a parent to arbitrarily decide that her four-year-old’s life just isn’t working out so great anymore and that that child therefore should die. But it’s fine and dandy to do the exact same thing simply because the child is smaller, less developed, and more vulnerable? Please. It’s despicable, and the fact that it could be excused simply because the child might be different in some way makes this excuse even worse.

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  • johno

    Picture of little girl is adorable. She’s probably looking up to her “parents”.

  • Bernard Lawrence

    Very well written. Pieces such as this are what anger pro-deathers the most because it lays bare their long list of empty-headed excuses for murdering their pre-borns. And that’s a good thing. Thank you and keep up the good work…

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  • Dawn Bogrand

    Very well written! I have a boy with Down Syndrome and let me tell you, he isn’t suffering one bit! He’s the happiest boy I have ever met! Every life is valuable every life!

    • Lisa Van Drese

      I agree!!! My son Max has DS. He is 27 months old and sings his ABC’s, identifies all of his letters, counts, knows some colors, loves to hear stories and sings songs, etc. He enjoys stellar health, and obviously isn’t suffering one bit either!!! With all of the advancements that have been made, it is ridiculous that people are still thinking this way. Max and I are on a mission to prove that just because DS may involve some challenges, it is in no way a disability!!!

      • ripham1@gmail.com

        Thats great, if a child is projected to live until the age of 40 and has the ability to communicate then I would place anyone who would abort them on death row.

  • Fred Taggy

    This was the same line of thinking that Hitler and his cohorts had, the “Germanic superior race” doctrine which proscribed that all other inferior race should be exterminated; the reason the Jews, gypsies, blacks, etc. had to be killed in the gas chambers. This was also the reason that they keep on keep on genetic experimentations, using live human beings as “guinea pigs” or experimental specimen. The young German women were encouraged to be nothing but baby factories, fathered by select blue-eyed German men. Cannot why understand why these present-day Americans call themselves christians yet they can do this!

    • Basset_Hound

      They didn’t begin their campaign like this. Their first step was to declare that life with a disability had no dignity, and that those, particularly with developmental delays were hardly more than animals. The “logical” conclusion was that the only “merciful” thing to do would be to kill them. Then, once society became so desensitized, killing millions of “useless eaters” was achievable. The stigma had been removed, and those who would stand up and protest had either been bullied into complacence or shipped off the labor camps themselves.

    • Alex Hunter

      Hitler was just a bigot. He falsely believed that colour and creed dictated a person’s physical and mental capabilities. With people who have mentally-disabled children, it takes even more effort than it would to care for a mentally-able child. To those who keep their children despite knowing about their disabilities: kudos to you, but if a woman doesn’t feel up to the challenge of taking care of a child well into adulthood, can you really fault them for doing what at the time seems the most beneficial?

    • Lisa Van Drese

      The average person doesn’t realize that Hitler modeled his eugenics movements after our California laws. Up until the late 1970′s, people with disabilities, certain racial background, income level, and even unwed mothers were forcibly sterilized in order to achieve a superior race. This was to relieve the burden on society. Now with abortion being legal they have to paint a much darker picture. It is a goal to alleviate any abnormality before birth. I will continue to shout from my soapbox that I have yet to meet a person who actually suffers from Down syndrome!!!! My son is one of the smartest two year olds I know, and is doing a lot more than most typical children his age!!!!! It is sad. All life is precious and a treasured gift from God!

  • Guest

    Yes – a parent has the right to choose to abort a child. They are legally and financially responsible for it. Personally, I do not want a disabled child. If a test determined my child had down syndrome, I would most certainly terminate the pregnancy. Would I be emotional? You bet. Would I feel devastated? Absolutely. But it’s the right choice for me, and I know it. Just because you birthed disabled children in no way grants you some universal claim to morality, nor does it make you a superior life form to the rest of us. Have your beliefs – we all have our own – just don’t be so condescending and sanctimonious in trying to impose your views on others.

    • Suegirly

      You just “imposed your view” on another human being by deciding to kill it! Logic please. There are people waiting to adopt DS babies. People who would love and cherish them. But you get to kill the child because it’s “the right choice for me”? The only one acting “morally superior here is you. ANY PORTION of YOUR logic would make killing your 4 year old okay when they develop autism. You DO see that, right?

      • Roo

        Suegirly, I understand that from your point of view it is morally wrong to have an abortion. I respect your opinion and I would support your decision to have a disabled child. I am, however, “pro-choice” which means that I support other women making a decision that is right for themselves and their unborn child. You may not understand how a mother-to-be could choose to end the potential life of a fetus or unborn child, but you haven’t walked in their shoes and therefore you have no right to make a decision for them. We need legal abortions because “we” cannot make decisions for “others.” I understand, it’s hard for you to stand in my shoes and see where I am coming from. It may be hard or Guest for stand in your shoes and see what a joy your DS baby is. But it doesn’t matter, because you each get to make your own decision. We live in a country where we are lucky to have the right to make choices for our bodies, for our families, regardless of what our neighbors think. Please, don’t take away our right to choose for ourselves.

        • Calvin Freiburger

          “You may not understand how a mother could choose to end the life of a toddler, but you haven’t walked in their shoes and therefore you have no right to make a decision for them.”

          That’s the logic you just used. Still willing to stand by it?

        • Alex Hunter

          Well said.

      • Alex Hunter

        Being autistic is not the same as having Down’s Syndrome. Autistic people happen to have some skills that can help them get ahead in life, just not in a conventional sense.

    • johno

      How about a girl?

    • techgirlpa

      So you would have your child painfully ripped apart for your convenience? Then I hope you never have children. One human being is not more important than another.

      • Alex Hunter

        Would you tell a scared pregnant woman that she only had one option purely because you – a total stranger – feel squeamish at the thought of death?

    • beauty

      Impose views on others??? Superior life? Claim to mortality???? You are a dumb ruthless murderer!!! What difference does it make if the baby is inside or outside your body??? That baby has a heart beat different from yours…..it is a life that you have NO RIGHT to decide whether it lives or not….no one has the right to take a child’s life….No one…..if you can’t give life You can’t take it.

    • johno

      Stevie Wonder is blind. Has that disability. If aborted we’d miss his music and songs.

      • Alex Hunter

        Stevie Wonder is a musician. He relies on his sense of hearing. If a child has a disability that makes them physically and mentally slow in every aspect of their lives, how far can they go? Even Stephen Hawking was fully-abled when he was born. Can you name a single famous person that has Down’s Syndrome?

        • Basset_Hound

          Christopher Burke, who played the protagonist in ABC’s drama Life Goes On from 1989 to 1993

        • Lisa Van Drese

          I will name two and I can think of several more: Chris Burke and Lauren Potter. They both enjoy very meaningful lives. You don’t have to be famous to enjoy life! There is no person on this planet who does not face challenges.

    • whiterose

      It’s not about who’s morally superior. . .It’s about the life of a human being. Yes, having a child, any child, is a life transforming event – in the best way possible. It’s the beginning of realizing “It’s NOT all about ME!” And that, my dear Guest, is the beginning of LOVE!

    • Basset_Hound

      Suppose your child’s disability could not be detected by prenatal testing, and did not manifest itself until after birth? Suppose your child became disabled as a result of an illness or injury? Would you suffocate him with a pillow, as Virginia Ironside, the British “advice columnist” advocated?

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1317400/Virginia-Ironside-sparks-BBC-outrage-Id-suffocate-child-end-suffering.html

      It’s not about our “beliefs”, it’s about protecting the weak and the vulnerable from those who would gain an advantage by harming them.

      • johno

        Ms. Ironside’s beliefs are “National Socialism”.

    • Almost Amish….

      Birthing a ‘healthy’ child doesn’t guarantee that they may not fall down a flight of stairs or almost drown, or get in a car accident when their 20 yrs old and have mental or physical disabilities either. But we don’t make a ‘choice’ to kill them then do we? That’s the point. Environment of the womb or outside the womb – that doesn’t change that it’s a human life being snuffed out by another human making that decision, not choice. Not a choice, a preference, and a breaking of the law.

      • Roo

        “Pro-Aborts” do not exist. No one actively seeks to abort children/fetuses. Abortion is hard decision. Please don’t play down the strife and pain felt by those who have made the decision to abort.

        Judging women who have chosen abortions does nothing, helps nothing.

    • Motherofthree

      Be thankful your mother didn’t choose to abort you!!!!!!!!!!! selfishness is what we need less of in this world

    • Keri

      Interestingly, of course, you have no objection to “condescendingly” and “sanctimoniously” “imposing YOUR view” on your disabled child. Even to the point of death.

      So that’s “tolerance” though then, right? Your child must “tolerate” death because otherwise your child is “intolerant,” particularly if your child happens to have some nature that you happen to dislike, and likewise those of us against such behavior must “tolerate” your own fundamental intolerance, otherwise we are called “intolerant.” This is a very strange, contradictory, self-canceling, and bizarre perspective you take.

      Generally speaking, the fact that your “logic” ends in the death of an innocent person should be a good indication to you, or anyone else, that there is a very big problem with your “logic.”

      • Alex Hunter

        ‘Your child must “tolerate” death because otherwise your child is “intolerant,”‘
        Learning to accept that death is an inevitable part of life is a major part of growing up. Lots of things die regardless of whether or not they are innocent.

    • scragsma

      Your baby’s life is more important than your convenience. Shame on you.

    • Pplepeu9

      All I read in your comment is “I, I, me, me, I”. You sound like a very self-focused person. I can’t imagine you raising ANY children with an attitude like that. Yes, I absolutely find you to be morally inferior to someone who can find the giving spirit in themselves to accept the challenges, along with the joys, of raising a child with health issues. And you are the ultimate in trying to impose your view on “others”, those “others” being the infants you find disposable. And here’s a news flash for you- only a small percentage of birth defects and disabilities are detectable pre-birth. How then do propose to insure that you don’t get stuck with a disabled child? Post-Birth Abortion up to two years old? I hear that’s the next line in the sand.

      • Mary Lee

        That’s all the pro-aborts have. ‘ME ME ME.’

        • Basset_Hound

          There’s another troll who often posts of how disabled children bankrupt families and ruin marriages, yet expects her church to accommodate her disability. It’s like Bono says in “Crumbs from Your Table”…”you deny for others what you demand for yourself.”

    • Mary Lee

      Ah, yes, putting your child through a brutal, gruesome, and painful death is your “right.” Because it’s all about you. And saying you shouldn’t kill someone is “condescending.” Wow, there are really people who think this way, walking around in the world. *shudder*

      It’s not about “beliefs.” It’s not about “religion.” It’s about NOT KILLING YOUR OWN CHILD for the sake of YOUR OWN CONVENIENCE. No parent has a right to abort their child. It is not a right. It does not exist.

      Sense of entitlement, much? No wonder our world is in such a steady decline.

      • Alex Hunter

        You talk about abortion being a matter of convenience, which in most cases is technically true, but do you really have moral authority over someone just because you’re grossed out by blood?

        • Mary Lee

          I’m not grossed out by blood at all. I recognize homicide when I see it. You have zero reading comprehension skills.

    • Typhoid Mary

      I’m supposing that you would condone killing a disabled veteran that came back from the war with horrifying injuries and challenges as well. I hope you never have a car accident, or a stroke, or some other devastating health event that leaves you dependent on others. We all at some time need each other and everyone in the world has something to give.

    • TaraBella

      The article speaks about late-term abortion NOT abortion in general. Personally I do feel that I woman has the right to choose but not after 12 weeks. As a Mother of three full term pregnancies the pregnancy is “real” after that time and by then you have a BABY. If you feel that late term abortion is an acceptable practice perhaps you should take the time to research it…….

      • mymotherchoselife

        Tara Bella,
        So before 12 weeks it is not a baby? What about 11 weeks and 6 1/2 days? Is it a baby then? What about 11 weeks 6 days and 23 hours? Is it waiting for that 1 hour to become what you deem a baby?
        What happens after 12 weeks to suddenly make it a baby that it wasn’t 12 weeks earlier? Just saying.
        Maybe YOU should research what happens in the first 12 weeks!!!!

        • Jeremy Isley

          Before 8 weeks, a fetus is known as an embryo, and from week 8 until the baby is born, it is called a fetus, and she put real in QUOTATION MARKS! She wasn’t saying that it wasn’t a baby before week 12 of pregnancy. She said it seems “real” by that time, probably because the baby starts moving around at that time, and you can tell. I know this because i took Parenting and Child Development in my senior year of high school last school year.

    • VK

      What will you do if you have a child that develops a disability shortly after birth? Or at age 1 or 2 or 10 years old? Can you imagine that you could find a way to deal with it then? If so, is it possible you could find a way to deal with it at birth?

      I understand people feel they could not parent a disabled child. I pray that you would at least consider the option of adoption. Would it be emotional? Undoubtedly. Would you feel devastated? Only you know that answer but perhaps the thought of your child with a caring family that can cope with his/her needs would provide great comfort. The last time I looked it up, there was a waiting list of parents wishing to adopt babies with Down syndrome. This is a viable option.

    • mymotherchoselife

      ” Just because you birthed disabled children in no way grants you some universal claim to morality, nor does it make you a superior life form to the rest of us. Have your beliefs – we all have our own – just don’t be so condescending and sanctimonious in trying to impose your views on others.”
      It sure sounds like you are the one who is being condescending to those who value life. It does give someone a claim to morality for choosing life, just like choosing to kill an innocent child is IMMORAL.

    • lotzakids

      For what it’s worth, I hope you would reconsider. I know many people
      who have been touched by children with Downs syndrome or Trisomy 18 or
      Trisomy 13 who would love a chance to adopt a child with that disorder.
      These children bring so much love to a life that, even knowing that we
      will bury our T18 or T13 children, we would love to be given a chance to
      feel and give that love to another. (I’m having a hard time signing in, but I’m also the one who posted about having a 3 yr old child with T18, so I know the path and the heartache, as well as the joys.)

  • seadog77

    I have worked with many downies and I have to say they are the most loving people in the world and maybe they aren’t rocket scientist but they are pretty smart and can do more than most people I know. They aren’t prejudice or bigots and they aren’t liars and shoot straight from the hip. I also know of cases where medical test showed all kinds of problems including downs the parents where pressured to abort but with staunch refusal they had ….. normal babies. PP is in it for one thing money it is a business and they sell guilt and death. PERIOD. Have the baby then give it up for adoption it is that simple may people with be more than happy to adopt

    • Almost Amish….

      “Downies?” You work with ‘downies?” I find your terminology very offensive, and if you ‘work’ with ‘them,’ it’s obvious you’re not a rocket scientist either

      • Elvenfoot

        Obviously, she cares about these people a lot and had no intention of being offensive. It’s so easy to say words that other people don’t like without having a clue they will be offensive. I’ve done it myself.

      • June

        In this case, I feel “downies” might be an affectionate term in the down syndrome community she is working in.

      • sandcastle

        Seadog77 may be a teacher, teacher’s aide, or volunteer. Why are you taking a small part of what sd77 said out of context and using it to insult someone who had some very positive things to say about Individuals with Downs Syndrome? People who are often referred to as “Downies” in the education community, just as individuals with Aspberger’s Syndrome are often referred to as “Aspies” by those who know and love them. Almost Amish, if you are going to jump to such negative conclusions about people, do us all a favor, give up electricity and go “Fully Amish.” Save your criticism and negative energy for those who would murder “Downies,” not those who would lavish them with praise.

        • Almost Amish….

          if you refer to my daughter with down syndrome as a Downie, can I refer to your child with spina bifida as a ‘spiney’ or a child with a cleft lip as a ‘clefty,’ or even a child (OR adult, because you know, we all grow up) with big ears as ‘dumbo?’ Teachers and aides referring to students with disabilities in ‘affectionate’ (Not) terms of downies and aspies is absolutely offensive to anyone with a streak of compassion in them. I am a pro-life Christian, wife, mother and RN, and we homeschool because of public school personnel that label, and treat, our children as something besides ‘children’ first. And ‘do us ALL a favor,’ did you not read the other comments from others on how you should refer to a PERSON first? Seadog (and that sounds like a male, not female) needs to change their terminology to think about the People they are working with, and you need to expend Your energy on something more useful than going after parents of children and adults with disabilities to tell them how they should not raise objection when other people offend and harm their children in any way. And by the way, our children are all adopted, so do not comment to me about how atrocious and sinful abortion is.

          • sandcastle

            I didn’t go after “parents of children and adults with disabilities” as you had not identified yourself as such. I went after a sanctimonious hypocrite who was busy trying to take the splinter out of Seadog77′s eye, criticizing said individual for using the term “Downies” familiarly and affectionately, claiming it was an insult to individuals with Down Syndrome, while ignoring the beam in your own eye and unkindly, unmercifully and unjustly insulting that individual. How did Seadog77 offend or harm your children, considering Sd77 is likely a stranger to you? Had you read the entire post with an open mind, instead of the filter of your false martyr complex, you would have recognized the positives in it. And exactly WHERE, in my response to you, did I “comment to [you] about how atrocious and sinful abortion is? Are you wearing a pair of those “Magic Glasses” Joseph Smith wore to translate the Book of Mormon?

          • Almost Amish….

            boy you really don’t like religion do you – who will you slam next? You don’t get it do you ? I wonder if you have a child/adult with disabilities, so you can write to me or anyone else about how we should defend hurtful and inappropriate statements? I don’t even wish to know, because if you do, and you allow others to refer to your child as something but a PERSON first, I feel sorry for you. I’m done with you – and I stand that seadog or anyone else use the term of ‘downie’ affectionately or otherwise is just wrong, not appropriate and hurtful, no matter what line of business they are in. We should all oppose and fight to get the law of abortion overturned, for all humans, because none of us have a right to decide to kill someone, nor do we have a right, choice or decision to place a label on an PERSON.

          • sandcastle

            What I don’t like, ALMOST, is religiousity. Read my comments. Yours are the only ones I have responded to negatively, because yours are the only hypocritical, attacking comments here. You can’t even see that what you said to seadog77 ( “if you ‘work’ with ‘them,’ it’s obvious you’re not a rocket scientist either”) is shamelessly insulting not only to sd77, but to those with Down Syndrome! You are simply looking for a place to vomit your pain at having an imperfect child, rather than celebrate the blessing that it is. Seriously, Almost, Amish, go fully Amish and unplug your computer. Your negativity won’t be missed.

          • ripham1@gmail.com

            Yes thats perfectly fine way of looking at things.

        • Almost Amish….

          and lavishing ‘them’ with ‘praise’ as a ‘downie….’ No thanks.

          • rubdowntheline

            you’d think that the word police wouldn’t be so present here on such a conservative forum. relax almost amish. the right to kill someone, no. but actually we do have the right to place labels, just for the record. and that’s not really what the person you are harassing was doing. also, i’d say your vitrolic, high horse, self righteous superiority dance is much worse that someone using the term “downies”. He was speaking positively of people with down’s. we’ve got plenty of battle to fight against the pro-abort murderers. it’s people like you that give pro-lifers a bad name.

          • sandcastle

            “Vitriolic!” Now there’s the word I was looking for! Thank you, rubdown!

      • td10

        I think she was being affectionate. My 16 year old niece has Down’s and my sister uses shortened terms in an endearing way- and believe me, this precious little girl is adored by our whole family. Though i agree that words are powerful and can be easily construed by the public in a negative way, judging from the content of the post, the writer meant well

      • joy

        I agree. R you ok with the DS people calling you the “uglyes”

    • Maggie

      I, too, have worked with people with developmental disabilities and like any other group of people, you can’t paint them with a single brush.

    • Sarah T

      people with down syndrome – not downies. They are people first please.

      • seadog77

        Thank you you are correct they are people first and no insult or derogatory name was meant!

  • Daniel Delgado

    I’d love to see a pro-life politician say something along the lines of, “So if I change my stance on the 2% of late-term abortions performed because of ‘fetal abnormalities,’ will you change your stance on the 98% performed for convenience?”

    There is obviously no compromise with pro-abortionists and they are merely using the extreme cases—as though those are normal—to further their political agenda.

    • Basset_Hound

      It’s the difference between policy that allows for exceptions, and policy built on them. If we used their “logic” we could argue that it should be OK for us to break into anyone’s home any time we want because neighbors have to break into someone’s home to rescue a person inside from a fire.

      • Daniel Delgado

        Excellent analogy!

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  • Don Schenk

    And the media insists that you shouldn’t refer to “pro-choicers” as baby-killers.

    • Carrie Cosgrove

      The media is a bunch of liars. There is pro-life. So the opposite is pro-death. I call it as I see it

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  • SturJen

    Imagine for a second, that you are given the news by your Obstetrician that the child you carry has a fatal flaw that will probably cause it’s death within days of birth. It’s horrible, and you’re in shock, but WHY is it that out of their next breath, the doctor says, “You can abort, you know.” How is that preferable to having the child? Why is it preferable that your first-and last- interaction with your child is death?

    I know many mothers who would prefer to prepare for the child’s birth and welcome it into the world. The time may be short that you’re with that child, but I would rather my Son or Daughter know that I loved them enough to TELL them and SHOW them I loved them before they died.

    To just walk into an abortion clinic, have my Son or Daughter killed, dismembered and sucked out of my womb is unfathomable. How is this showing that child that you loved them? Are you so afraid of imperfection that you cannot love a child enough to tell it goodbye?

    • Basset_Hound

      How many times does an Obstetrician (whose specialty is in treating conditions associated with pregnancy, and has NO knowledge of caring for or educating a person with developmental delays) paint an excessively dark prognosis of the child’s abilities in order to cover his backside against a noxious “wrongful birth” lawsuit?

      • Juda

        It seems that more and more drs first words at the hint of anything less than perfect by societal standards is ABORT. One woman I know was pressured to immediately abort because the baby had trisomy 18. Hurry hurry hurry. Then she did an amnio only to find the baby DID NOT have it at all! Had she not refused the abortion another child would have been murdered. I think those drs need to lose their licenses!

        • Basset_Hound

          Also on the “hit list” are children with spina bifida, even though research is being done (and successful surgeries have been performed) on correcting the deformity before birth. A woman once wrote a “poor me…justify me…I aborted my child because I knew he would sit on the couch like a lump of coal and never be able to turn a cartwheel because he was diagnosed with spina bifida”. What was even more creepy is that the comments that got the most “down” votes were from people who pointed out people they knew who were living productive lives.

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1388475/Abortion-baby-born-disability-What-choice-make.html

          • Beverly Harlton

            Man, I’ve never been able to do a cartwheel and I don’t even have spina bifida. If only my mother had known!

          • Basset_Hound

            Me neither. I was one of the biggest klutzes in my school.

          • Beverly Harlton

            Aha! I always knew I liked you. :)

          • SweetMarmot

            Those people who gave down votes to the comments that pointed out handicapped people who lived productive lives, those people who down voted those are hate mongers, like Nazis.
            Oh, and may I remind you, the Nazis didn’t just limit their murderous impulses to Jews and Gypsies. They were busy killing off the handicapped too, both in and out of the womb.
            May I also point out that the hardest thing about having a handicap is not the actual limitations of the handicap. It’s the way ignorant, hateful people respond to the person who is a little different. If the life of a person with a disability is “not worth living,” maybe, instead of aborting the person, we should abort some common attitudes in the society.

          • Basset_Hound

            >>Oh, and may I remind you, the Nazis didn’t just limit their murderous impulses to Jews and Gypsies. They were busy killing off the handicapped too, both in and out of the womb.

            Yes, I am aware of that. They perfected their mass killing techniques during the late 30′s in camps like Hadamar. That’s how they desensitized the population to the idea that certain lives weren’t worth living.

            >>May I also point out that the hardest thing about having a handicap is not the actual limitations of the handicap. It’s the way ignorant, hateful people respond to the person who is a little different. If the life of a person with a disability is “not worth living,” maybe, instead of aborting the person, we should abort some common attitudes in the society.

            Yes, I’ve seen it. I have scoliosis, and a bit of a limp. It seemed like there was always a tactless clod that feld compelled to inform med that I “walked funny”. I also was quite socially inept. This earned me the title of “retard” in middle school and high school. So I’ve got no real quarrel with anything you’ve said.

    • Sarah T

      amen!

    • ExCAGirl

      I discovered I was unexpectedly pregnant right after I turned 39. I was married, financially well off, and had 2 other children. After the nurse told me about the positive pregnancy test, the nurse practitioner came in and her first words were, “We need to talk. Do you really want to start over at your age? There is a strong likelihood that this child will have defects due to your advanced age and (a medical treatment I had undergone for cancer 5 years earlier.) I would strongly recommend that you terminate this pregnancy and then you can move on with your life.” I am NOT joking. I was horrified. I had gone through 6 miscarriages in the process of having the 2 children I had. This child was unexpected, but that doesn’t mean it was unwanted. The idea that the very first thing she did was recommend was to kill it and “move on” was unbelievable. I left and never went back. I now have a perfectly normal, beautiful 10-year-old daughter who is the delight of our lives. I can only wonder how many wonderful children were slaughtered on that nurse’s “helpful” advice.

      • ripham1@gmail.com

        Thats great, but why would someone suggest you kill a baby that hadn’t proven to be defective yet?

        • MotherSetonsDaughter

          Why would someone suggest you kill a baby simply because it is perceived to be “defective”? We have to choose our words wisely. I hope you didn’t mean it the way it came across.

    • ripham1@gmail.com

      Yes.

  • mandy

    I don’t think that they should be able to abort that late. you find out you are pregnant, then you go a couple months then find out your child has down syndrome or any other deformity and abort them then, what about its good to be different. God made those kids with any mental or physical differences to be different. Why would people think that they suffer they just wanted to be treated like everyone else. My sister is mentally retarded and I wouldn’t trade her for the world, after having her as my sister my whole life I wouldn’t change her at all. I wouldn’t trade he for a million “NORMAL’ people. what is normal anyway. all I know is id rather have a would with more “Not Normal” kids then normal kids.

    • johno

      Todays society wants “perfection” and no “hassle”. Even those “perfect” models of either man or women have day to day problems.Christie Brinkley has been divorced and husband cheated on her. Brad Pitt several relationships etc. THese are just two examples of what we look-up to as role models. Others are even worse.

    • sandcastle

      Mandy, to answer your question, it has been said that, “‘Normal’ is just a setting on a dryer! Kudos to you for being an advocate for your sister. Maybe you could consider going a step further– speaking for unborn children who “might” be born with developmental differences, showing how your sister is just as loved as any other person, any other sister, and that her life is just as rich and valuable as any other person. It will take a lot of voices to be heard over the liberal media. I think that many people just don’t think about this issue very much, they let the media do their thinking for them– the ‘sheeple.’ Maybe you could get some to think for themselves. Just a thought. God bless you and your sis!

  • Sandy Watt Hearn

    BLAST USA TODAY WITH COMMENTS ABOUT HOW ABHORENT THEY ARE PLEASE PLEASE SEND THEM ALL YOU CAN ABOUT THIS!!!!!FLOOD THERE FB SITE AND OFFICE WITH ALL WE CAN

    • johno

      ?what happened?

    • johno

      Oh, now I see.. I just read their opinion article. They are opposed to 20wk ban. Not surprising they even brought up Gosnell and Pennsylvania’s 24wk ban that 20wks wouldn’t have stopped him. It’s ok then USA Today says so.

  • GT

    http://www.dianedew.com/sanger.htm interesting reading … words of the founder of planned parenthood, Margaret Sanger.

    • johno

      Sanger was godmother of “NAZISM”. Adolf Hitler’s gang followed this “race-based” killing nonsense.UGH.

  • bunzsudz2

    I do not have a Down’s-affected child, but I honestly and truly I never understood why people freak out so badly at the thought of having one. I never did worry about it because I have always seen them as special gifts from God. They are just children – human beings – plain and simple, no other way to look at it. And they are wonderful people. They don’t “suffer”. In fact, so many people with Down’s go on to lead normal productive lives, and often exceptionally productive lives. And they bring so much love and joy to their families. I know, I’m preaching to the choir here, but I just cannot wrap my brain around the selfishness of a species, set apart by God to rule the earth with wisdom, and would kill off their own kind because of some thought imperfection, or, as is more likely the case, inconvenience. God help us.

    • ripham1@gmail.com

      If you are religious then yes DS kids are great because they won’t and can’t be held responsible for sin and you believe that because you take care of someone with DS that you will go to heaven.

  • jeffbekafish

    Our daughter, Laura, almost 14 has a dual diagnosis of DS & CP. She’s not damaged goods! God formed her just the way He wanted. I cannot imagine our lives without her!! Just say not to incremental bills that still allow for the murder of pre-born babies. Aren’t they all deserving of life?

  • Cynthia Campbell

    Adoption is a wonderful option if the parents truly feel they cannot care for their child with Down Syndrome. Our 4-year-old was born with Down Syndrome. As most people who have experience with this diagnosis can attest it is a life-changing, positive experience. Our oldest daughter who is 18 is hoping to be able to adopt multiple children with Down Syndrome after she is married. I hope there will be one for her to adopt. Please don’t kill them because YOU think you can’t cope. The child will not only cope but will thrive if allowed to do so.

    • Naya

      There are some Down Syndrome adoption programs: National Down Syndrome Adoption Network, Loving Stork, CHASK, and Reece’s Rainbow.

  • Toni

    My daughter-in-law had genetic testing 14 weeks into her pregnancy which came back with an abnormal value for Trisomy 18, however sonograms have not shown any signs usually associated with this disorder, so we are waiting for a perfect little baby girl in about 4 weeks :) Would never aborted either way however. I believe there are no UNwanted babies!

    • Linda

      Who would not have aborted either way however? You or your daughter-in-law? The decision should be between your daughter-in-law and your son. You don’t really have the right to make the decision for them. And what do you mean by “perfect.” Babies with Trisomy 18 are imperfect then?

      • Toni

        WOW….sounds like you got your panties all in a wad over what I wrote…really doesn’t matter WHO…I am that babies grandmother, and if they did NOT want the baby, I would gladly taker her…didn’t say anything about her being imperfect even if she did have Trisomy 18…she would be perfect because she is made in the image of GOD and therefore she would be PERFECT in every way. Find somebody else to pick a fight with…I’m not biting.

  • Cinnamon Girl

    I have a friend whose baby had some organs outside his body but it was corrected through surgery shortly after he was born. He is a beautiful and active 2 year old today. Praise God for those who have the courage to go forward with their pregnancies, even after an adverse diagnosis, to see what an amazing blessing they truly have.

  • Sarah T

    my child with Down syndrome doesn’t suffer either! And we enjoy having him as a soon so much!

  • Skye

    My brother has Down Syndrome, he’s the love of our lives. he’s my rock! Him and I are 20 years apart and I couldn’t imagine life with out him. F*** the doctors and F scientists, they’re wonderful people who don’t suffer at all. He’s laying on me, while I’m writing this, he’s 8 years old and I just turned 28. We’re listening to his favorite music and snuggling, what’s so bad about that? Just like a regular child, enjoying love and his Saturday.

    • sandcastle

      You paint such a lovely picture, I’m envious of you, Skye! How blessed you both are!

    • Lisa Van Drese

      My daughter, now 26, waited 24 years to be a big sister, and he is the love of her life. Max, now 2, is the light of all of our lives. We are all certain that we needed him more than he needs us. I wouldn’t change a single thing about my son, but I would love to change the world for him!!!

      • joy

        you are so right, it is the world that has the issues not the children with DS. My 16 month DS daughter is an equal delight as my 3 1/2 year old daughter.

    • ripham1@gmail.com

      Thats nice, but not all kids with DS are the same.

  • Mary Lee

    Here’s what I don’t understand…..I see post after post, and tweet after tweet, about rescuing “special needs” animals. Now, I am absolutely NUTS about animals, and I wish I could adopt fifty billion of them without breaking the city ordinance. I commend people who want to help doggies and kitties who are “difficult” and “needy” and “not perfect” and welcome them into their homes as part of their families. I am behind that 100%.

    But these same people (like, my liberal Facebook friends, say) believe it’s “humane” and “a right” to kill their own babies, should they not be “perfect.” The abortion procedure is horrifying. That is not ‘histrionics’ as the pro-aborts like to say. It is the truth. It is a horrifying, and merciless, procedure. These pro-aborts, who think lethal injection is “inhumane,” believe that dismembering your own child for any reason at all is a sacred “right.”

    Here’s a thought, pro-aborts. Pretend these babies are doggies, or kitties, or convicts. Then fight to save them.

    • Carolyn

      That really cut to the heart of the matter! Well written.
      Who are we to say what is perfect anyway? And in the case of Down Syndrome, the most obvious “imperfection” is a lower than average IQ. Yet I have yet to meet a person with DS (and having a daughter with it, I know a LOT of people with it) who has a lower IQ than a doggy or a kitty!

      • Mary Lee

        I’m certain that pro-aborts would answer because the baby is in the womb and therefore the mother’s property, which is also a ridiculous argument. As “Guest” stated above, it’s really for convenience, that is the reason that most women have chosen and continue to choose to abort their own children. That is not healthcare. That is chaos.

        • Basset_Hound

          Chaos is right, and as it was once said “we ain’t seen nothin’ yet”.

          When we have an aging demographic because our birth rate is so low, then the REAL fun and games will begin that will make abortion (bad as it is) look like child’s play with euthanasia.

        • SweetMarmot

          And yet, those same people who argue that the baby in the womb is the mother’s property and you mustn’t “coerce” her into carrying to term, think nothing of coercing that same mother into having an abortion, and they see nothing wrong with such coercion.

      • Basset_Hound

        One day I went to our local community college to find an AutoCAD textbook for my husband. I saw a group of Down Syndrome students there with their aid. Obviously they were intelligent enough to at least make an attempt to take classes.

    • Andrew Patton

      This week, Daily Kos solicited people to petition Congress to save the Albatross, but they scream at the slightest regulation against abortion.

    • ripham1@gmail.com

      I personally would kill all organisms who would not be able to reach 33% development for example a human should at least be as intelligent as a 7 year old.

  • katie

    So sad that we live in a throw away society. Our third beautiful, funny, smart, loving baby girl has Down syndrome. She is 2 and a fireball! The road has not been easy..but it has not been easy with our older two. So sad society’s view of perfection comes at the price of a life. And for those saying I only want to give birth to a perfect child….autism is diagnosed after birth and there are many other defects that are far worse than Down syndrome. Would you “terminate” a child after that diagnosis???? Whats the differance.. life is life!!

  • Suzanne Jackson

    During my last pregnancy, I was in my late thirties. I declined amnio and other screening tests, much to the dismay of my OB. When it came time for the sonagram (which I definitely wanted — I was so ready to see the little guy!), my OB was afraid I might decline it, too. He told me that it was important because it would be my last chance to see if there were any problems and still be able to legally terminate the pregnancy. He told us, “The country I come from (Korea, I think) allows abortion all through the pregnancy. But it’s hard to do after 20 weeks. After 20 weeks, the baby fights. The baby wants to live.” My husband and I were shocked at this revelation and assured him that we did want a sonagram and we would not be terminating the pregnancy. My boy is now fourteen.

  • John

    My daughter just went through hell delivering a premature baby. I’m a 65 year-old male who discovered the value of life – from conception – after going through this process with my daughter. Everyone on earth should be required to stay in a labor and delivery section of a hospital for a week. If someone can kill these innocent human beings after that, they aren’t human themselves. There is evil in this world trying to “purify”
    the human race for convenience and there are people sacrificing daily for innocent, “impure” victims of this evil. It’s time those sacrificing are honored rather than hated.

    • Lisa Van Drese

      You are my new best friend!!!! Thank you from the bottom of my heart!!!

  • Pat

    How about NOT GETTING PREGNANT in the first place? Can those loose women manage that feat?

    • ldwendy

      Not everyone how gets pregnant is single. Are you saying married women who become pregnant are “loose”?

  • Kristin

    Don’t impose your beliefs on me and I won’t impose mine on you…

    I will not pretend to imagine what events would transpire that a woman would not be able to have an abortion that she wants until the 20th week but I am sure that a reason exists. I’m fairly certain that most women don’t say to themselves “oh, my baby has Down’s Syndrome, I’m going to kill it”. Abortions are expensive, if someone wants one, perhaps they cannot afford one until week 20, or 21. The recent availability of inexpensive, even free, contraceptives and morning after pill will most certainly decrease the rate of abortion but the simple fact remains…. I respect your belief so I won’t make a law forcing you to have an abortion, therefore respect mine and allow those who choose to make that choice have that choice.

    • Basset_Hound

      We’re not talking about “imposing religious beliefs” it’s about protecting the weak and vulnerable from those who would gain an advantage by harming them. That is why we have laws against child abuse and elder abuse.

      “I’m fairly certain that most women don’t say to themselves “oh, my baby has Down’s Syndrome, I’m going to kill it”.” REALLY? Is it any better if they say “I don’t want to raise a child who will be picked on by his peers and be a burden to us” any different?

    • Cassy Fiano

      90% of women who receive a prenatal diagnosis of Down syndrome have an abortion. So yes, actually, they DO say that “oh, my baby has Down syndrome, I’m going to kill it”.

    • Mymomchoselife

      “Don’t impose your beliefs on me and I won’t impose mine on you..” I.hate that argument because it is sooooo lame. That argument really translates into please don’t judge my actions because if I want to kill my baby I don’t want you to lay any guilt on me. It’s called MORALITY. Abortion is murder, but lets not kill those bald eagles that are protected. Really!!!!

  • Amy

    I have a daughter with trisomy 21. I was young so no testing was done until she was born. I can’t imagine my life without her. Who are we to say what’s “normal” truth be told we are all a little “retarded” in areas of our life’s. retard or retarded : 1 : to slow up especially by preventing or hindering advance or accomplishment : impede 2 : to delay academic progress by failure to promote/ : slow or limited in intellectual or emotional development or academic progress. With those definitions in mind, We are all disabled in one way or another. They look beyond faults, they love unvonditionally ALL THE TIME, they are full of life and joy. My daughter sees life through eyes we don’t have. I thank god everyday I’m able to view life through her eyes. She is kind, caring, loving, beautiful and so much more. While “normal people” are so caught up in perfection and hatred, life is passing them by. Maybe “we” are the ones disabled. You have not lived life until you have looked through “their” eyes. KEEP CALM IT’S JUST AN EXTRA CHROMOSOME ! :-)

  • Grandmaw A

    I have a 6 yr. old granddaughter BLESSED with Down Syndrome. They took the test and it did not show up on it. The doctor did not know until she was born that she has DS. She is doing very well and will be in Kindergarten this year. She is a joy to everyone she meets. I would not give her up for all the money in the world. She had heart surgery when she was 3 months old, had her tonsils & adenoids out at age 4, and a appendix that burst and formed an abscess this year. If the abscess did not form we may have loss her from infection.You would have never known that she had these surgeries. She did not complain like everyone else does when they have surgery.

  • PJD

    When all the kids are out of foster care or foster homes then everyone of you can talk until then its your decision to raise your kids not everyone is cut out to raise a kid with a disability and obviously without a disability step up to the plate and get those kids out of foster care before you start talking-I agree that if the baby can live outside the mother it is murder but if there are issues where its the mother with 3 kids life or that baby its the mom who comes first – also when they know the baby isn’t going to make it yeah put the mother through more agony to have to carry that baby longer so she can go through more hell-there are a lot of things its just not black and white there are a lot of reasons that late term is ok and when you draw a line in the sand thats when you will lose chose your battles wisely cause you are losing ground on everything

    • Mymomchoselife

      Maybe we are “losing ground” with you but not with our Lord. Aren’t you glad your mother didn’t put herself first?

  • T.

    These are my thoughts on this obviously sensitive subject…
    I have touched upon this subject in a group and having a child (a wonderful, sweet, loving, beautiful, joy filled child, who is in no way “suffering” from DS BTW) who happens to have Down syndrome, I do not agree with the late abortion at all! It was never an option in my mind but not everyone is “strong enough” or have enough love in their hearts or confidence in themselves to “deal with” or be able to just love a child for better or worse.
    I’m sorry but I was taught, teach others and teach my own children that ‘you get what you get and you don’t get upset and if you are upset’, always remember it can always be worse. Doctors are only as right as their tests (ultrasounds, blood tests, Amnio etc). They can all be wrong!
    I know a couple that were told their daughter had an 80% chance she had Down syndrome and my good friend was told they were 90%, yes 90% sure she had Spina bifida and neither did. It was offered to abort. They both said no. They are both beautiful little red heads actually and healthy. So ya, it makes me cringe to think of how many, if I know of two myself, we’re wrongly diagnosed and aborted.
    Oh and if you want to assure you don’t have a child with special needs, then don’t have any kids at all. Instead adopt a “typical” child. There are a lot of children who need a home, that were given life but given up for one reason or another.
    There are no guarantees in life. Life is full of ups and downs. Deal with it or only take care of yourself, don’t let a poor child lay victim to your expectations of absolute perfection that does not exist.
    I believe my child with Down syndrome and my typical child are equally amazing and perfect in MY eyes. That’s all that matters. Just sayin’!

    • T.

      Oh and also, even if the doctors tell you your child is most likely going to have Down syndrome or a heart defect or anything else, if you are at 20 weeks, that means you have 20 weeks to learn and to accept it and to be prepared for the worst and hope for the best. Learn to adapt and understand that life is never exactly what we expect it to be. I believe everything happens for a reason. Otherwise you are the one who has to live with yourself and your decision forever. As long as you live. Every time you look at the child that you do keep, if you’re lucky enough to get pregnant again, to look in that child’s eyes knowing that you aborted his or her sister or brother. 20 weeks is completely disgusting to abort a baby! (That just means to me that if the baby is not perfect, you don’t want it. Especially because a child is SPECIAL needs. Shame on those people! God help them.

  • TaraBella

    20 weeks! That is STILL late-term. 12 weeks should be the maximum! If a woman cannot make the decision by then then she should look into adoption. And I am well aware that many woman do not know they are pregnant that early and to that I say “pay more attention to your body”!

    • Guest

      TaraBella,
      Why is it okay to kill a baby at 12 weeks but not after that? What is it before 12 weeks a thing that just turns into a baby?

  • MomOf4

    I have a friend that, halfway through her pregnancy, learned her baby had a genetic problem (can’t remember which one) that would cause the baby’s death within days, if not hours, of the birth. She had the option of abortion, but chose to go through the rest of her pregnancy. I would see her at church on Sundays, knitting little blankets and sweaters for the baby she wouldn’t have for long. Sure enough, she had her little girl, and an hour later the baby died. But they were able to name her, and hold her, and show her their love before she returned to God. When I think about it, I still weep at the beauty that would have been missed if they had just gone the “easy” route and had an abortion.

    • Alex Hunter

      Wouldn’t this technically make God evil for doing what pro-abortionists advocate?

  • Esther

    I have a 3 year old son with autism and am 19 weeks pregnant with a son who will likely be diagnosed with Down’s Syndrome next week. I declined an amnio, and we are paying for one of those new blood tests instead, because at 19 weeks I have no intention of having an abortion – if babies can be saved at 21 or 22 weeks, I certainly will not have my son in the bin rather than the incubator.
    I am pro-choice, however, up to 16 weeks when the fetus is clearly not viable. Luckily, my husband and I, with a good deal of stretching, can afford to take care of both our special needs children. I work with a vulnerable population and there are too many young girls who are sexually assaulted or otherwise taken advantage of; or addicts; or people who are so desperate that if it is illegal they will just use a coat hanger in a back alley. I’m a little surprised that people who can show such nuanced empathy for special needs children can spill so much undifferentiated vitriol when you don’t know the personal circumstances of others.

  • CuzimaMom

    The “WE MUST ABORT CUZ THEY ARE NOT GOOD” Is just an excuse, it is not a reason, it’s a rallying cry for women who are afraid of oregnancy and abortionists that are afraid of losing money. Later term abortions rake in ALOT of money for the clinics. If you haven’t figured out you want an abortion after the 1st trimester, you obviously didn’t want it at all.

    Plus with the tests it only shows the POSSIBILITY not the 100% proof that something is definitely wrong. I’ve read stories from abortion nurses who have done late terms cuz of a supposed deformity and the body pulled (or expelled for the ones that do the forcing labor or cause the placenta to fail) was perfect and deformity free.

  • lotzakids

    My son has Trisomy 18 which is considered “incompatible with life.” As parents of a child with T18, we are often told our child cannot live, and some cannot. But should we deny them the chance? I have yet to meet a parent (and I’m part of support groups with well over 1000 parents) who have regretted trying to give their child life, whether they were born alive, stillborn, or died sometime after birth. I have met many, many who have regretted terminating the pregnancy. It may be that my circles are a bit limited to those who value life in any form more than others. But that has been my experience. Oh, and my son? He’s three years old and one of the happiest people I know. So he won’t ever do calculus. I’ve got some other kids who think that would be a real blessing!

    • Colleen Wampler Schaming

      God bless you. My husband’s only child, a son, was born with the same disability. He only lived six days and died in his Daddy’s arms. Thru the heartbreak there was never a time when he wished his son was never born. I admire your beautiful perspective of your child’s life. A blessing, no matter how difficult it is. You will be in my prayers!

    • Basset_Hound

      I think that’s what Bella Santorum (Rick’s youngest child) has.

      • lotzakids

        Yes, it is. One child at a time, we are trying to change that “incompatible with life” label, and she has been a wonderful public face in the battle. Her parents are huge advocates for T18 and have gone out of their way to help families find the medical support they need.

  • Stephen Andrew Berry

    Thank you.

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  • Jennifer Lambert

    It’s sinful man – doesn’t want to lose one opportunity to kill without consequence (on earth at least).

  • http://www.facebook.com/anthony.panetta.77 Anthony Panetta

    I had a brother with Down Syndrome, I can honestly tell you that he was the best thing we as a family could have ever hoped for. He was happy and loved everyone and taught us the meaning of love. He passed on at age 52 my parents were told he would not live long and they should institutionalize him. They knew he was a gift from GOD and not a burden and raised him as they did my other brothers, sisters and I. They were poor in money but rich in faith and love for GOD. I firmly believe GOD gives us these children who are ANGELS for us to learn from.

    I met a young women who she and her husband adopt children with D S, she told me there are many who do, alarmingly they must adopt from other countries because they are killed here. What a sad country we are becoming when we tell GOD we don’t want this one we want to shop around.

  • maryforlife

    These children are the most loving children I know.

  • Ruby Stull

    A Great article!

  • Ruby Stull

    How can ANY doctor be called ‘reputable’ if they are willing to go against their Hippocratic Oath by, knowingly, taking or causing the death of human being?

    • Basset_Hound

      You would be surprised. An abortionist doesn’t have to be on call or work weird hours. For some it’s a dream job…if one doesn’t mind killing babies.

    • Alex Hunter

      The Hippocratic Oath only extends to whoever the doctor is treating. The mother is the one calling the shots in the case of abortion, so the doctor only has to worry about the mother’s safety, not the baby’s.

      • Ruby Stull

        Boy are you grasping for straws Alex. “An Oath taken by Medical Graduates; it sets forth an “ethical code” ‘ for the MEDICAL Profession. From Webster’s New World Dictionary. So you are turning that explanation to only apply to each independent patient the Doctor has the good luck to happen to serve with his time and knowledge. I hope I never get one of those doctors to take are of one of my family members.

  • proud mommy

    I was 33 when I had my first and only child. The doctor tried many times to get my consent for amneosis tests and blood tests to see if my son was “normal” so if he was not I could terminate my pregnancy because the risk was higher because of my age, so he said. I told him to go to hell, I would never take any tests to determine this and even if they came back positive I would not murder my child because whatever baby I had was the one I was supposed to have, otherwise I would of never become pregnant in the first place. I have a healthy and very intelligent 4 ear old today and glad of every day I get to spend with him. He is the light of my life and I would feel the same way even if he was not perfect even tho he is. Another reason I would not consent to the amneosis is because the test can harm the unborn child and cause a spontaneous abortion.

  • Nunsense

    In 35 years of teaching, I’ve lost track of how many of my students told me they were labeled as “Down’s syndrome” or some other anomaly before birth. I told the kids I can’t imagine what the world would be like without them. Do these baby killers know how many false positives there are? Heartbreaking!

    Why don’t we have the conversation of how to PREVENT the “need” for abortion? It’s called “abstinence” guys! (Contraception increases the need– see libs “safe sex” plans. Have they decreased the “need”?)

  • Susan Ford Keller

    When there is a prenatal test for autism, these same anti-birth arguments will be waged against them, too. Pro-abortion = anti-birth, anti-love, anti-compassion….

    • Basset_Hound

      I dread that day. My son is profoundly autistic. Autism covers a wide spectrum of developmental and behavioral issues.

  • Suzanne

    When I was pregnant with my first child, I was informed by my obstetrician that my child had either spina bifida based on an abnormal AFP test. He pressured me to abort. I refused and changed physicians. I delivered a perfectly healthy child who has now grown up, and ironically is in the final years of a degree in education with an emphasis on educating the severely handicapped. How many lives will she impact because I held firm and loved the child I was carrying, regardless of any challenges she might present? How many wonderful people never got the chance to serve their fellow man? How many of us will suffer because the one person who could help us never was allowed to live?

  • chris

    I know manybeautiful children with DS and they are some of the most joyful and pure kids i have come across they are so genuine,NOT suffering at all!

  • Sarah

    Go back and replace all the “down syndrome”s in this article with “anencephaly”. Read it again and see how you feel about it.

    • Basset_Hound

      I had a friend who had an anacephalic child. She went to term, held the little girl and comforted her. For 10 hours Hope was part of their family.

  • Acts238toBsaved

    How uncivilized America has become to run such a headline “how shall we ____ all the babies? How unfeeling and merciless our society has become as they run after the almighty dollar, but one day and soon, they will stand before the God that made them and will give an account for what they have done. Hell is hot, there is NO EXIT from that fire and brimstone.

    Rev 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

    6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I
    will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

    7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

    8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
    (kjv) (pls see entire text)

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  • Alex Hunter

    Near where I live, there is a centre for people who have mental disabilities. Whenever I go out to lunch I get a good look at them. Most are in electric wheelchairs and can’t even turn their heads or chew their food. Some children are actually born this way, meaning those that did would’ve grown up without the use of their entire bodies.
    Can you imagine living a life where your own body is a prison? Where you can’t run, handle objects or even talk? Where you can’t own a pet or have children because you can’t even take care of yourselves? Where all your hopes and dreams are for naught because you can’t even do the most basic things? Where you HAVE to live, not because you’re against suicide, but because you can’t take your own life?
    In our society, people are valued for their skills. I don’t fully agree with this, as it rewards people just for getting rewards whilst ignoring the up-and-coming, but it is still a reality and it can be hard even for those of us who aren’t disabled.

  • Patriot

    My parents were told I was dead and they should abort me. They decided they wanted their baby. Then at delivery my mother had an extremely long labor, my father was told to choose which one he wanted, mother or me. He said, “BOTH!” I am here to tell you I am fine. My parents did the right thing and up until they passed away, I would send them flowers on my birthday just to thank them for my life. God bless them for their courage and faith.

  • Cher

    What does Jesus say, does he say they are worthless, they will not bring any life to a family, or does he say, “don’t hinder one of these little children”, does he say,” You shouldn’t kill” NOBODY IS WORTHLESS, GOD DOESN’T MAKE GARBAGE, HE BRINGS LIGHT TO THE WORLD, WHERE THERE WAS DARKNESS, HE BRINGS LOVE , WHERE THERE WAS HATE, GOD BRINGS A GOOD THING~

  • Debbie Noon

    I think there are more reasons for late term abortions, than are mentioned here. Most of which are not due to self interest as the article suggests.

  • Alyssa

    I was falsely diagnosed with Down syndrome, along with spina bifida, and discovered to have neither at birth. I graduated high school two years early with honors and made the top level in my ballet school the next year. One of my best elementary school friends was thirteen and first learning to read, for a cause I never knew. She lived, functioned, made friends, and went to school like anyone else, brought an unforgettable sunshine wherever she went in the world, and absolutely made (and I’m sure still makes) it better for living in it. Contrary to USA Today’s apparent opinion, we *should* have lived to be born, and our lives *are* beautiful, happy, and worth living!

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  • Owned

    Oh grow up you weak idiots. Would you want a baby who you knew would die in 5 years? NO. You’d be insane if you would want that baby. All your going to do is spend money on it and get depressed after it dies. Really? You want that?

  • Owned

    What we should do is do genetic research on people with disabilities. Maybe we could completely reverse the effects. So you’d be getting an Einstein baby.

  • julianne72

    A disabled person is a void that just sucks resources and energy from everything around them. No matter how much your love your little retard, it’ll always be in their nature to simply consume until they leave the world as a worse place than before they had existed

    • rn

      Your totally wrong! we all are disabled in some ways! For some, it’s in their thinking! Challenges can bring out the best in humans! It’s all in our attitude! There are many stories of people who embraced their weakness and became an overcomer through it!

    • Griffonn

      The same could be said of you.

      So does that mean there’s no upper limit on how much pain may be inflicted on you when someone else decides your life is not worth living?

  • MJA

    I have a 7 month old son. We did every possible prenatal test. We were clear that we would not carry a child with a genetic anomaly to term. The statistic is quite high for terminated DS fetuses, once detected (around 90%). It’s a deeply personal decision.

    • Griffonn

      “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”.

      I wouldn’t do to a hamster what you would do to your own child. It is inhumane.

      A deer hunter who killed a deer with as little regard for the suffering of the creature would be shunned by other hunters.

  • jah soldier

    I just found out our baby girl has ds and its 20 weeks old..don’t know what we will do but its the hardest thing in our life we have ever going thru…jah bless

  • rn

    Love the child, illness or not!! They will bless you in more ways than you could imagine! Life is full of challenges but decent men and women will choose life over abortion! That’s a human being whether you realize it or not!!

  • Griffonn

    it’s acceptable for us to decide for someone else whether or not her life is worth living.

    This is the core of the issue right here.

  • deacc

    There are a lot that needs to be thought through if one were to keep a special need child. First, what is the impact on the family. Will one parent have to stay home with the special need child? How will that affect them financially? Does the family have other children or plan to have other children, how will that affect their ability to care for the other children? Finally, to me, the most important part, who will care for the special need child once the parents are deceased? Is it fair to put the burden on other family members? Is it fair to put the burden on taxpayers? I do not believe so, I believe the parents should make sure they save for a trust fund which can be used to care for that special need child after they are gone.