Human Rights

“War on Women” rally embodies all that is the angry pro-choicer

For us pro-life online junkies, it is easy to get caught up in the rhetoric the pro-choice movement spews on blogs, Facebook, and Twitter. From choices to rights and from rosaries on ovaries to cries of biological autonomy, pro-choice rants can quickly turn into a broken record for pro-life veterans.

Hearing the same old pro-choice slogans can lead us to forget…forget what is really at stake and what it is we are fighting for: an end to the ideology that advocates for the killing of unborn human beings.

If you want an effective, although possibly frustrating, way to re-dedicate yourself to the pro-life movement, go to a pro-choice event. Experience the pro-choice masses firsthand, specifically at a rally. Observe. Listen. Learn.

That is exactly where I was this past weekend: the Unite Against the War on Women Rally at the Texas Capitol.

The Unite Against the War on Women Rally was organized as a national effort to help rally pro-choice troops in opposition to the numerous pro-life gains made in the last year. The Texas Unite Against the War on Women Rally honed in on repealing the sonogram law signed by Governor Perry requiring a woman to have sonogram offered to her 24 hours before aborting her baby, and restoring the $34 million funding to Planned Parenthood that was removed during Texas’ last legislative session in the spring of 2011.

With the rally starting at 4pm, a handful of pro-lifers and I decided to arrive an hour early to start praying, and then to remain at the rally until the end , praying the entire time. For Christians in this pro-life fight, we see this as a real spiritual battle – not fighting people, but instead fighting sin and fighting an idea of evil (Ephesians 6:11-12). For us, prayer has to be at the foundation of any response to the evil of ending the life of a human being in the womb.

For the first hour, we stood at the south gate of the Texas Capitol, holding our signs and simply praying. Smiling, too, of course. A handful of people stopped and genuinely wanted to engage in a dialogue with us about our signs and why we refuse to validate a woman’s right to choose. But the majority of responses came in the form of eye-rolls, profanity, and anger.

Thanks to the blaring Lady Gaga music from their sound system, we knew the rally was beginning. When the rally started, we moved up to the south steps of the entrance of the capitol so we could hear the speakers and to be closer to those whose conversions we were praying for.

This is where it gets good.

Texas legislators, Planned Parenthood representatives, and other pro-choice advocates spoke from the podium about the effects of recent pro-life legislation being tantamount to a war on women. (What they fail to realize is that the real war is on women in the womb, with millions upon millions of baby girls being denied the chance to live a full life because they were aborted. But I digress.)

Our presence was not incendiary. Our side of the conversations was not loud or inflammatory. As soon as pro-choice rally attendees noticed our presence, they were not content with us standing by silently. They started blocking our signs, ironically denying us our freedom of speech. I should not be surprised, because according to the pro-choice ideology, one’s rights extend well past another’s. The crowd started chanting (while there were speakers at the podium), “Take down pro-life bigots.”

More and more pro-choicers were escalating their conversations with us to the point of yelling, screaming profanities at us, and not easily backing down. Of course, none of that was mirrored on our side. Many of us knelt down, prayed, stayed silent, and simply smiled as we let them empty their anger on us.

One of my friends, Alexa, was holding a sign that read “We Stand with the Bishops” (regarding their stance against the Obama HHS mandate requiring everyone, despite religious conviction, to pay for abortion, abortion-causing drugs, and sterilizations). One elderly man approached her, and the veins popped out of his head and neck as he barely stammered at her, “You stand with the Catholic bishops? That is f***ed up. Just f***ed up.” Alexa handled it beautifully and showed this man not the same bile that he was throwing in her face, but instead a kind and loving smile as he stormed off.

The signs people were waving about and even waving in our faces were some of the crudest, most vulgar, most profane, and most disrespectful signs I have ever seen. “Let’s be sluts together.” “I can’t believe I’m still protesting this s**t.” “Go probe yourself.” “Don’t f*** with me.” “Keep your laws off my vagina a*****e.” “Gays for Vajays.” “I want my vag to have the same rights as your penis.” “If I wanted the government in my body I would f*** a senator.” “Hey Perry, it’s my va-jayjay not yours.” “Pro-Life is to Christianity what Al-Qaeda is to Islam.” “Hey Rick Perry, if you’re concerned about my vagina why don’t you just f*** me.” Check out their photos on their Facebook page if you don’t believe me.

I was appalled. Shocked.

The one that has gone viral, “Abort Perry,” flies in the face of the obvious that wishing for the killing of any human being is downright despicable.

At one point, the pro-choice crowd created what resembled a drum-circle of pounding and chants around the pro-lifers. We did nothing to provoke them. We stood there peacefully with our signs, engaging some people in dialogue. But their anger was so visceral that it needed an outlet, and that outlet came in the form of a 20-minute long screaming tirade in our faces.

Go to the national March for Life in D.C. or the West Coast Walk for Life in San Francisco in January each year. You’ll find positive, prayerful, friendly people…most of them young, too. Therein lies the difference between the pro-life masses and the pro-choice masses. (I specify masses because there are extreme fringe elements in both camps.) Pro-choice events disrespect human life entirely, from the life of the human in the womb to the life of a governor they disagree with. Pro-choice events are generally angry and not loving. Pro-choice events are patently vulgar and crude; pro-life events are anything but.

I am reminded of what Gandhi said about the stages of a winning strategy of nonviolent activism: “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

Check out their photos on their facebook page here.

Live Action on Facebook
  • http://twitter.com/imCarlBrown Carl Brown

    great article, Elizabeth! the difference between the March for Life and this march are so clear. Thanks for posting this.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1095386730 Susan Suddjian

     “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”  Love that! 

    • Mugsylee

      The escalation reflects their desperation. America is beginning to understand the inevitable price of devaluing human life is moral chaos. Young people are becoming more prolife than their parents were. Plus, prolife people are far more likely to procreate to teach their values to the next generation. ;^>)

      • YouWillFail

        No, the escalation reflects YOUR desperation. Realize that. It’s taken pro-lifers nearly four decades just to get their foot in the door. And what have you accomplished so far? Nothing, except calling down the fury of American women who will not stand aside while our civil liberties get spat on. And I’m sorry that my right to full and comprehensive healthcare stands in affront to your pristine morality just because I was born with a uterus and all the possibilities that come with it, good or bad. Learn to live with disappointment on this subject, because  Oklahoma, Louisiana and Idaho are just the start. If Personhood is the best you can come up with then expect to see it get thrown out of a lot of state houses.

        • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

          “It’s taken pro-lifers nearly four decades just to get their foot in the door. And what have you accomplished so far?”

          Remind me: how long was it between the nation’s founding and the abolition of slavery? And how long after that until blacks had full political equality? Liberty has no statute of limitations.

          “And I’m sorry that my right to full and comprehensive healthcare stands
          in affront to your pristine morality just because I was born with a
          uterus and all the possibilities that come with it, good or bad.”

          This is a brazenly false characterization of the issue. Your healthcare rights do not include the right to destroy someone else.

          • Anadrs23

            How about the fact that PP has been defunded in HOW many states? How about the fact that some states criminalized abortion past the point of viability? How about the sonogram laws? WTF are you talking about us prolifers have accomplished nothing? If you truly believed that, your side wouldn’t constantly be foaming at the mouth…

          • Anadrs23

            sorry that was supposed to be a reply to youwillfail’s comment

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            No worries :)

        • MoonChild02

          Civil liberties? So you believe it’s your right to take our money, our churches’ money, for your own selfish needs, for contraception, sterilization, and abortion? Excuse me, but I do not pay tithes to commit mortal sin. You are the ones who want a separation of Church and State, and what we are asking for is to be given the same in return: keep the government out of our Church. That is the truth behind this so-called “war on women”. It’s more like a “war on religious freedom”.

        • Guest

          Your comment proves you are truly uneducated about what is going on in the fight for Life. When roe v wade was introduced abortion was basically made legal for any and all reasons and at any gestation. Now many states have laws to protect unborn babies at later stages of development, ultrasound laws, personhood amendments, etc. Gradually the abortion monster is being chipped away. As science learns more about prenatal development, human kind will be forced to face the reality that abortion IS murder. Anyone who believes otherwise is willfully ignorant of scientific facts. So why don’t you go do some homework before trolling next time.

          • Guest

            P.s. I’m an American woman too that believes abortion is not healhcare! If abortion is part of healhcare, why don’t all gynocologists perform them? They have same tools to perform one already, since they will sometimes perform a D&E in cases of miscarriage. Maybe it’s because they know that abortion is killing, is morally wrong, and violates the hypocritic oath!

            In the United states we are guaranteed certain unalienable rights, including but not limited to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

        • GiselleN

           ”No, the escalation reflects YOUR desperation.” Huh? Did you READ the article?

          “Our presence was not incendiary. Our side of the conversations was not
          loud or inflammatory. As soon as pro-choice rally attendees noticed our
          presence, they were not content with us standing by silently. They
          started blocking our signs, ironically denying us our freedom of speech.
          I should not be surprised, because according to the pro-choice
          ideology, one’s rights extend well past another’s. The crowd started
          chanting (while there were speakers at the podium), “Take down pro-life
          bigots.””

          So errmmm.. which group was acting out of line? Me thinks it was the group carrying the lewd signs because they really have no good argument which is why they resort to anger and carrying on to get their hollow point across.

        • FB123

          Might I ask, where does it state that we women (yes, I’m a woman) have a civil right to end another human life?  There is biological evidence that the fetus within the womb of a woman is a human life.  It consists of living cells containing human DNA.  Yes it’s not fully developed, but is a three year old child fully developed?  No, it may be more developed, but it is still growing.  In fact, one could almost say that every human being is still developing until the end of their lives. Is it right to end their lives? Since the only difference is level of development, who are we to choose who is worthy to continue life?  That is purely subjective to one’s opinion. Is it permissible to end a life based upon that?

          To end a human life is murder and there is no scientific evidence to the contrary that a fetus is a human life.  Murder’s definitely a civil liberty…

          The war on women, hmm… with all this radical feminism commonplace, I’d say there’s only a very small minority that’s even the slightest bit against women, definitely not enough to be called a war.

          Have a lovely day!

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003586781928 Magdalene Prodigal

          This is how twisted and demonic things are—to call the killing of the unborn in the womb “healthcare”.  

        • http://twitter.com/Roseblue Suzanne Fortin

            You guys are on the losing side. How many pro-choice laws have there been in the last 20 years, and how many pro-life? Thought so.

  • Anadrs23

    The thing that pisses me off the most, is that you don’t see any of this in the  abortion-loving media. NO… all you see are news reports of prolife extremists who shoot abortion doctors once every  ten years.. and VIOLA! the entire pro-life crowd is dangerous, and are a bunch of domestic-terrorists and gun-toting extremists, but not daily verbal and sometimes even physical abuse from the pro-choice side

    • Oedipa

      What’s the last time you saw any protest covered in the media? For any cause? Occupy got coverage and before them the Tea Party events, because they were novel. The media has no interest in showing people yelling at each other over an issue that’s been settled for 39 years.

      • Guest

        If it’s a settled issue, why do you bother spending so much time here?  Why don’t you do something more interesting, like go to a Tea Party or an Occupy event?

        • Guest also.

           Friend, we will never comply with murder. It is never right to do the wrong thing, ( Abe Lincoln) and it is an unjust law, a;ways was and part of the deeper plan of de – population. Planned Parenthood kills pre-born children. It was never settled and never will be settled until that law is struck down,state by state, and all Planned Parenthood’s and abortuaries are closed. Research what Ron Paul or Judge Napolitano says about the Roe VS Wade vote. Why don’t you do something more interesting and join us?

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kevin-W-Boyd/730437673 Kevin W Boyd

          It’s called perspective; pro-lifers recognize that nothing in a democracy is actually ever settled.  It is abortion supporters who claim that Roe v. Wade “settled” the issue once and for all, and they are quite upset that the pro-life movement has altered that “reality”.

          You may, by the way, notice that most Tea Party folks are also pro-life…

          • Oedipa

            Boy, my use of the word “settled” sure did touch a nerve in a lot of
            you. I guess that’s what happens when you cut through the Pollyannaish clap-trap about “victory” for the unborn being “right around the corner”? Seriously, for awhile there, I thought there was a quota placed on LiveAction writers to mention PP’s imminent demise.

            But I’ll give you this — you’re right that something is only settled in law until it’s not. But it’s been 39 years. Maybe we can’t agree on a lot of things, but can we agree what stare decisis means?

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            As it’s currently used, stare decisis is a crock. If something isn’t constitutional, who cares how long it’s been on the books, or how many past judges have said otherwise?

          • JB

            So if RvW was overturned and abortion were outlawed would you just say “oh well, that issue is settled” or would you continue to fight to repeal those laws?  It’s easy to say it’s settled when the law is in your favor but if it were the other way around I have a feeling you and most pro-choicers would not let it go.

          • Guest

            Slavery proponents had a lot more than 39 years under their belts.

        • YouWillFail

          Because somebody has to stay vigilant or else “the peaceful, smiling pro-lifers” are going to cheerfully re-christen the Age of the Back-Alley Abortion. The Christian Right is notoriously really, really bad at accepting, ummm… how do I say this, facts. You guys are great at smiling, great at being friendly, great at praying. And also GREAT at trying to impose your agenda by using scare tactics, misinformation and manipulating truth (And I am more than happy to provide examples of this, just not now because I need to go study Biology). It’s easy to smile and feel like you have the moral high-ground when you send spies to do your dirty work. I’m sorry that the world has grown into such a complex and diverse place that Christianity’s black-and-white morality doesn’t nicely answer all the tough questions out there.

          And understand one thing: Pro-Choicers are so bold and outspoken because they have nothing to hide and they don’t pretend to be something they’re not! And I will also point out that we don’t show up on your doorstep uninvited. We don’t picket your churches, or your funerals or your community gatherings. And before you fire back with “it’s my Christian duty to seek out sin and vanquish it” maybe pick up the King James and read what your Jesus had to say about the Pharisees. We despise anyone who presumes to think they have the moral right to control our fates. You don’t and I promise you, you will never live in an America where you do.

          • MoonChild02

            Really? Pro-choicers don’t pretend to be something they’re not? Then why is it that you:
            Oppose laws against forced abortions?
            Oppose laws that would make abortion clinics like any other medical facilities?
            Oppose inspections of abortion clinics?
            Oppose laws that allow – not force, but allow – women to see an ultrasound before an abortion (when it’s already medically necessary, and part of Planned Parenthood’s practices)?
            Believe it’s okay to force your beliefs on religious people?
            Tell women that it would be “in their best interest” to abort when they’re in an abusive relationship, rather than help the women escape from their abusers?
            Tell women that there is no chance of achieving their dreams when they have kids when other women do so all the time, and there is help out there for poor women to do so?

            See, if you were not pretending to be something that you’re not, you would be honest, admitting that you’re for forcing abortion on women, against making abortion safe, against allowing women to make a real and informed decision, and okay with stripping others of their First Amendment rights.

          • Ana_v

            Hi,

            What the article is communicating to readers is that the language people use, their attitudes, and their behaviors can speak volumes about what they believe and what persons they are at heart.

            “Pro-Choicers are so bold and outspoken because they have nothing to hide and they don’t pretend to be something they’re not!”

            The article does not attack boldness nor outspokeness in-and-of-themselves, but a particular expression of them. Or rather, the abuse of them.

            Pro-lifers are bold too. It takes boldness to attend a rally wherein you are the visible minority surrounded by a majority that is verbally (through persistent insults and vulgarity) and physically (through “in your face” proximity) coming upon you. Wherein, you are the target, the punching bag (metaphorically speaking).

            Pro-lifers are outspoken too. Prolifers organize numerous public events, campaigns conferences, presentations, debates, regularly hold protests and prayer vigils outside of abortion facilities, dedicate internet sites to the Culture of Life. We are eagerly outspoken about defending the right-to-life of innocent human beings.

            “We despise anyone who presumes to think they have the moral right to control our fates.”

            Do you despise yourself then? Do you despise yourself for thinking you have the moral right to control the fate of children in the womb? ( A category which, of course, includes females — humans are gendered at conception).

            Remember this: the issue is not, should we impose morality in America? (We should, and we do. Google the following in separate searches: “crimes mala in se” and “crimes mala prohibita”.)

            The issue is, what morality should we impose?

            “maybe pick up the King James and read what your Jesus had to say about the Pharisees”

            Jesus criticized the Pharisees for not practicing what they preached — i.e. what they held as truth.

            His criticisms and rebukes were not directed at the Pharisees’ teachings, but at their personal immorality. He affirmed their teaching authority and exhorted the Jews to abide by the Pharisees’ teachings.

            Matt 23: 1-3 “Then said Jesus to the crowds and to his disciples,    “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice.”

          • JB

            “We despise anyone who presumes to think they have the moral right to control our fates. You don’t and I promise you, you will never live in an America where you do.”

            Well what you don’t seem to realize is that anytime you live in a a nation with laws you control someone’s fate.  Laws do that by definition, anytime you create a law you are imposing morality on someone and those laws control how we all live.  So you can’t say banning abortion is imposing morality on people anymore than any other law does. 

            The problem isn’t that it’s oppressive the problem is you don’t like their views or agree with them.  By your logic pro-choicers are also imposing their morality on everyone, by allowing abortion.   They’re imposing on unborn babies who wnat to be born and people who want them to be born.

        • Oedipa

          I’m just waiting around for next set of Lila Rose/James O’Keefe videos, which are apparently forthcoming. Should be a hoot.

          Of course, since I already know about them, It’s a good bet that Planned Parenthood knew about them in real time.

          • Anadrs23

            nana nana poo poo…. *roll eyes*

          • Guest

            Lila Rose doesn’t work with James O’Keefe anymore, nor does she use his questionable tactics.  O’Keefe also hasn’t investigated Planned Parenthood in nearly half a decade.  This might come off as a shock to you, but he didn’t invent hidden camera stings.

            But aside from that, I’m looking forward to them too.  Having to defend an open willingness to practice sex-selective abortion  (which is legal) while simultaneously accusing pro-lifers of waging a “War on Women” will be a pretty tough ticket for Planned Parenthood to sell.

      • JoAnna Wahlund

         Occupy got (and still gets) tons of media coverage. Do a search on CNN, MSNBC, NYT, etc., etc.

        • 12angry_men

          That is false. They hardly get any at all, and any they do get is buried. The public at large is no longer interested.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001485371359 Grace Garner

        If this issue was settled, there wouldn’t be so much controversy.

        • Oedipa

          I see that you’re fairly young, but believe it or not, the current iteration of this “controversy” has been going on for 39 years. And I’m old enough to know that “controversy” doesn’t necessarily lead anywhere.

          • Anadrs23

            You are the oldest thing in the world! WOOH!! You have been around for SO long, you think that if something is settled  for 39 years it is never going to be  unsettled

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001485371359 Grace Garner

            We must have different definitions of “settled”. You’re right that “controversy” doesn’t necessarily lead anywhere, but I did specify “so much” controversy. The nation is split half-and-half over abortion. It’s not settled. And even if it was, I wouldn’t care, and neither would other true pro-lifers, because abortion is never “settled” for us. I’d keep fighting even if I was the only pro-life person left in the world.

            I’m probably even younger than you think. ;) What does me being young have to do with it? I’ve done more research on abortion than the average person.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1438796348 Nicholas Statesel

        If this is a settled issue, then explain that to the million children who are slaughtered each year. This issue is as settled as slavery after the Supreme Court Case “Dred Scott vs Sanford”

        • Oedipa

          You make no sense.

          • FB123

            Actually, the Dred Scott allusion makes perfect sense… an immoral act based upon the fact that because they’re different (age or color) they are less than human and do not have the right to live as we do.  Two court cases that spread a discriminatory evil only to be destroyed within a few years…

      • GiselleN

         The issue is hardly settled if new legislation comes out on a regular basis.

        • Oedipa

          It’s settled until it’s not settled. Do you know something I don’t? The “personhood” laws continue to fail (see Mississippi, Oklahoma). And that strategy is the straightest line to challenge Roe v Wade, but they can’t get it past the voters (MS) or the state courts (OK). Everything else in nibbling at the edges.

      • Anadrs23

        The media has no interest in  showing people yelling at each other…RIGHT… when  its PROABORTS doing the yelling, when it’s the other way around the media won’t shut up about it. Case in point? Sandra Fluke… IF it were the other way around, and she was disparaged at a public event for opposing the Contraception Mandate, she would have remained anonymous…But she stood up for “women’s healthcare” and was boo’d for it… Now she is invited to press conference, got an article on Time magazine, and is being heralded as a heroine to the proabort movement…

  • mcrognale

    sad.

  • Jay

    Excellent coverage. I went to a pro-life rally last month in LA, and you’re right. It is a far more friendly crowd.

  • Troy

    Thank you Elizabeth!

  • Pregnant Help Now

    Are you or someone you know facing an unplanned pregnancy? Please check out our new and improved site. There are tons of resources and support available for pregnant women that you may not even know about. We are dedicated to assisting women with unplanned pregnancies find the resources and support they need. Anything from medical care, material assistance, housing, child care, and other necessities a new mother might need are available…
    http://www.facebook.com/pregnanthelpnow
    http://www.pregnanthelpnow.com

  • Sarah M

    The Gandhi quote is perfect! Thank you for sharing this story– I’m sorry you faced such hatred but I’m glad to see other young women on the front lines, peacefully standing for the truth. God bless.

  • Guest

    And your Christian conservative parties… how do they feel about the death penalty? The vast majority are for it yet against women’s reproductive rights.

    These signs are trying to make light of the threat that you people pose to women. We have a government that is separated from the church and you need to respect that. Don’t want an abortion, don’t have one. I am happy to see that you can teach YOUR girls what you like but you have no say on MY agnostic body. 

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001485371359 Grace Garner

      The death penalty kills convicted criminals. Abortion kills children.
      I couldn’t care less what you do to YOUR agnostic body. I do care about what you do to your childrens’ bodies. Let’s say I’m part of an extreme religious group that demands human sacrifices every year. But hey, it’s supposed to be “separation of church and state”, right? WRONG. The “separation” ends when the religion is endangering human beings–and even animals! Animal abuse/sacrifice is illegal, but cutting up babies into little pieces isn’t. This has nothing to do with religion or YOUR body. This is murder. I know I’m not going to change your mind by replying, but hopefully you can now see the pro-life side clearer. We don’t care what you do with your body. It’s the child you’re allowed to kill that we’re fighting for.

      • 12angry_men


        The death penalty kills convicted criminals,” except when it doesn’t.  Capital punishment has taken away the lives of many innocent people ever since it was enacted. And I’m sorry, but until you are against the death penalty you aren’t “pro life,” you are anti abortion. Truly being pro life means respecting all life, not just the lives of the littlest in our society. 

        • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

          And sometimes mothers die from abortions. What’s your point? There are mistakes in the implementation of everything; can’t we at least agree that the basic legitimacy of both abortion and the death penalty should be debated on the basis of how they work as intended in normal circumstances?

          • Billy

            Apples/oranges.  One person is dying from a procedure they elected to have performed.  They are at least aware that there is risk involved.  The other person is dying from the errant decision of others through no fault of their own.  Big difference.  

          • 12angry_men

            I agree that is one way to look at it. But unfortunately, we need to argue the legitimacy based on how, once put into practice, they actually work. For example, communism sounds very nice (almost utopia like) if we just look at how it should work under normal circumstances. But, as we both know, people are not perfect and human error in the government is far too common. Therefore, we should argue the legitimacy of communism based on past experiences and how it actually turned out once implemented (that comparison was kind of a stretch I’ll admit, but I think it got my basic point across; I can clarify if it didn’t).

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001485371359 Grace Garner

          Okay, sorry, but that statement infuriates me. “Until you are against the death penalty you aren’t ‘pro-life’?” REALLY?!?!
          I’m for the death penalty *in principle*. There’s too much controversy for me to say that not many innocent people are killed (have you seen the differences in statistics? Unbelievable!). Defending the death penalty isn’t a priority of mine, so I haven’t tried to research it to the fullest. However, when convicted criminals are killed, it’s protecting society–and life–as a whole. It’s like war. I don’t agree with all the wars America has been in. However, when there’s a war that protects more innocent people than it kills, the war is necessary. 
          By the way, I have no objections to the title “anti-abortion”, because I am anti-abortion. What makes me mad is when people who are supposed to be my allies say I am excluded from their ranks because we don’t agree on a different subject. I do respect life. That’s why I’m for the death penalty–when implemented correctly, it *protects* life. We can’t just let convicted criminals go. Rapists and murderers always rape and murder again. What we disagree over is whether the death penalty is “worth it” or not. (“Worth it” is a terrible way to describe innocent lives lost, but I wasn’t sure how else to phrase it. They aren’t “currency” in my mind any more than an ectopic pregnancy baby is, where one life must be lost instead of two.)*sigh*So please…don’t. Just don’t. 

          • 12angry_men

            And I’m sorry, I truly am, but I will. The death penalty is a costly procedure that on a whole, does not protect life (keeping criminals in prison for the remainder of their lives has the exact same effect). As a civil society, there are other ways for us to deal with the criminals we have in captivity. 

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001485371359 Grace Garner

            Well, we will continue to disagree on that. I can tell from your reply that you are a kind, intelligent person, and I am thankful that we both fight against abortion and the harm it causes to everyone.
            God bless.

        • FB123

          Just FYI, many pro-life groups also fight against the death penalty, euthanasia, and infanticide.  The only reason that we hear the most about the abortion is because it’s the most controversial.

          At the same time, I am also against the death penalty, but I feel that abortion is the bigger issue for it ends millions of lives of children that have, without a doubt, done nothing wrong.

          • 12angry_men

            I know that there are pro life groups that do, I never said that there weren’t any out there. I was responding to one pro lifer who isn’t against it.  

          • FB123

            I’m sorry if it seemed like I was attacking you, I only meant to FYI.  I understand now.

          • 12angry_men

            It’s alright, no harm done

    • MoonChild02

       Not all of us are conservatives, not all are Christians. I’m a Catholic, but I’m also a moderate, and abhor the death penalty.

      The reason the separation of Church and State exists is to keep the State out of the Church. However, if you really want the Church to keep out of State affairs, you all ought to stop forcing the Church to accept your policies. We are prepared to go to prison before paying your abortion tax and providing contraception for reasons other than actual medical conditions.

      Furthermore, pro-life is more than just a religious stance, and there are plenty of us who fight for secular reasons, not religious ones. I’m not pro-life because of my religion. I’m pro-life because someone I love and care about was forced into abortion, then suffered and died from the trauma and pain it caused.

      From what I’ve seen, Alice Paul was right when she stated, “Abortion is the ultimate exploitation of women.” There is no such thing as, “Don’t like abortion? Don’t get one.” My aunt never liked abortion, but she was still forced to get one by her now-ex-husband. A few years ago I learned that she is not the only one. There are thousands of women who have been forced or coerced into getting abortions, and you all say nothing about it, just hand-wave the situation away, and actually help those who are forcing it on them. You tell women that they would be better off getting an abortion instead of actually helping them with what they really need: To escape their abusers.

      Furthermore, you lie about the actual health risks about abortion, and you don’t tell them that there are hundreds of women who have died from legal abortions right here in the US, nor about the innumerable women injured by abortion. You don’t even allow them to see the ultrasounds that the abortionists already do, and are standard practice at Planned Parenthood, and you fight every law that allows them to, saying that it’s forcing women to look, it’s a guilt trip, it’s rape, or it’s mean and manipulative to try to change a woman’s mind about something that will affect her for the rest of her life. You fight every bill that comes up trying to make abortion safer, such as making sure that women are not being forced into their decisions, licensed physicians are performing the procedure, clean utensils are used, hallways and doorways are wide enough for a stretcher should a woman be injured, paperwork is properly filled out, inspections are done, emergency equipment is accessible, etc. If abortion clinics are not following the same regulations as every other health clinic out there that performs invasive procedures on people, then they’re not about making abortion safe, and they care nothing for women.

      Many of us are not here for religious reasons, and even when you’ve managed to kill off every one of us who are religious, you will still have to deal with the atheists and agnostics who are pro-life.
      http://www.secularprolife.org/
      http://godlessprolifers.org/
      https://www.facebook.com/groups/2218614613/

    • Anadrs23

      Right but Catholics should be forced to pay for the little pink pills you put in your Agnostic body, in the name of SEPARATION of Church and State…I am not Catholic- I am agnostic as well- but if we are going to talk about separation between church and state then let’s be CONSISTENT…

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001485371359 Grace Garner

    Great article!

    • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

      Sorry, grace. No idea why the below attached to your comment.

  • J P

     yEA

    • Billy

      “Abortuary”.  Nice, tell me again exactly how does the mocking, insulting and berating?

      • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

        What’s objectionable about “abortuary”?

        • Billy

          So calling PP an “abortuary” combination of abortion and mortuary when they do provide more services than just abortions is not offensive according to you. Yet the author says the following slogans on the pro-choice signs are offensive:

          “Gays for Vajays”
          “Hey Perry, its my vajajay not yours”
          “I want my vag to have the same rights as your penis”

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            No, it’s not. Linking abortion clinics to death is honest. Your three examples, aside from being vulgar, are lies. You – and every person who uses them – know full well that opposing abortion has nothing whatsoever to do with controlling anyone’s reproductive organs.

          • Oedipa

            “[O]pposing abortion has nothing whatsoever to do with controlling anyone’s reproductive organs”.

            That’s an amazing display of rationalizing away reality, Calvin. How else can you describe coercing women to be incubators for 9 months (who’d rather not be) as anything but “control”.

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            No, it’s a simple display of calling out liars like you. You’ve been reading long enough, and presenting yourself as level-headed enough, that there’s no way you can sincerely believe your smear. So it seems to me you have a choice: salvage what little credibility you have left and prove to me there’s at least one lie you won’t tell for the sake of your cause, or dig in your heels and confirm that you’re an unprincipled hack.

          • Billy

            Thanks for confirming what I have already concluded; insults fly from both sides of the argument. 

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            It’s not the “insult” that matters; it’s whether the insult happens to be true.

          • Billy

            We have a winner!  Insult away as long as its “true.” 

            “I’m right and I know it; You’re wrong and I know it.”  

            Wow, just, wow. 

            You must have a lot of friends and loved ones living in your little bubble where only you’re right. 

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            A word of advice: “whine” is not synonymous with “refute.”

          • Billy

            After listening to your attempt at reasoning, I’ll pass on taking your advice.  Its a great big world out there. 

          • Oedipa

            Seriously, Calvin, I have no idea what you mean.

            Here’s my best guesses: your earnest prioritization of the unborn allows you to compartmentalize the issues involved, to the point where you can divorce the plight of the fetus from the plight of the woman. Or, you don’t think opposing abortion is “control” of reproductive organs, because reproductive organs are free to do whatever they want, as long as they adhere to the natural laws of baby-making. Or, “control” should have been exercised upstream, so to speak, before the slut got knocked up in the first place.

            Help me out.

          • Calvin Freiburger

            “Seriously, Calvin, I have no idea what you mean.”

            I don’t believe you.

          • Oedipa

            Well then, it should be real easy to show me up and explain how “opposing abortion has nothing whatsoever to do with controlling anyone’s reproductive organs”.

            But you continue to decline to explain it, insisting that the meaning is there for everyone to grasp.

            I’m either not as smart as you think I am, or your writing doesn’t convey the clarity you think it does.

          • Billy

            How is “Gays for Vajays” a lie?  How is it vulgar?  Women have a vagina, fact.  God made women with a vagina, fact. How is calling what God made vulgar?  Here’s a little bit of “vulgar” information for you.  You were born from a vagina.  EGADS!!!!  

            As I said in previous posts I am pro-choice.  But this article and the multitude of comments being made by the pro-choice crowd here are just plain dumb and self-righteous.  Case in point your stating that “Gays for Vajays” is vulgar while calling PP a “Abortuary” is not.  And just so you know “abortuary” is not even a real word according to Merriam-Webster’s dictionary.  Hint: it is a made up word and some dictionaries call is a “derogatory term.”

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            I explained what the lie is, and I explained why abortuary is different. You are choosing to ignore that explanation and are instead arguing with a straw-man, giving even more support for my thesis that it’s not possible to be pro-choice without also being dishonest. That might make you feel better in some way, but you’re not actually accomplishing anything.

          • Billy

            No, you did not explain how “Gays for Vajays” or the other sayings I quoted are lies.  The only thing you said was “I know that pro life isn’t about controlling other people’s reproductive organs.”  That does not explain how “Gays for Vajays” is a lie nor how it is vulgar.  

          • http://twitter.com/CalFreiburger Calvin Freiburger

            “The only thing you said was ‘I know that pro life isn’t about controlling other people’s reproductive organs.’”

            BINGO! Do you really somehow not see the explanation in there, or do you simply get your kicks from wasting people’s time on the Internet?

          • Billy

            Nope, no explanation in that response but a simple “you know its not true” type of statement.  If that’s the best you’ve got then at least admit it.  

          • Calvin Freiburger

             *facepalm*

          • Billy

            Double facepalm to you too. 

  • Caitlin

    Honestly, just thank you for showing love to these people who showed you only hate. That’s truly inspiring!

  • Billy

    I support the pro-life movement.  But your account of the events doesn’t align.  You state that we should attend a pro-choice rally to “observe. listen. learn.”  You then stated you and your cohorts were “praying the entire time.”  How is possible to “observe. listen. learn.” and “pray the entire time.” as you stated?  And you simply flame the rhetoric you state you are against with the words, “pro-choice events disrespect human life entirely.” 

    • Elle

       Prayer can be done without your eyes closed. Prayer can be done any time.

      • Billy

        Agree that prayer can be done anytime and there is no need to close your eyes. However, to say that one “pray the entire time” and “observe. listen. learn.” is ridiculous. 

        What I find ironic is the author states, “we see this as a real spiritual battle – not fighting people, but instead fighting sin and fighting an idea of evil (Ephesians 6:11-12).”  Yet she points to all of the “people” for the pro-choice movement with their signs, slogans and sayings as an example.  Where is the “spiritual battle”?  She seems intent on railing against the pro-choice movement and their actions.  The author bemoans the signs of the pro-choice movements but states how she and her group took their signs too.  Pot meet kettle. 

        Again, her accounts of the day just don’t line up. Unfortunately this is where Christians (myself included here) really mess up.  We’re too busy trying to change the social environment and not leading people to God.  God does the changing, not us. 

        • MoonChild02

          St. Paul tells us in 1 Thessalonians 5:17, “Pray without ceasing.” We can pray in everything we do. Prayer should be kept in our hearts while we do the work that is needed. One can observe, listen, and learn, and at the same time, be praying for those poor souls in need of prayer, saying in one’s heart, “Father, forgive them for they know not what they do.”

          • Billy

            So when the author insults the pro-choice people I’m guessing that was “pray without ceasing.”  I think we need less of that kind of prayer.  

  • Elise77

    Remember when evil used to be more subtle?

    On the one hand, I’m really glad that it’s so brazen now. Not that I have any doubts about my position, but if I did, all I would have to do is compare the quiet, peaceful dignity of the pro-life side to the profanity, hate, and mouth-frothing on the pro-”choice” side to settle all doubt. 

    On the other hand, how is it possible that so many people STILL choose that side, eyes wide open?

  • Coo Per16

    This makes me so excited for the pro life march in ottawa on the 10th :)

  • HMS

    Frankly, I just want equality here too. If you have the right to kill someone that bugs you, shouldn’t we all have the right to kill whoever bugs us too? Just because someone lives in your womb doesn’t make them your “New Organ”, it’s just a little person who can’t help that they picked such a hostile mother to live in. In this case, your precious uterus is just a place. If it’s okay to kill humans based on their geographical location, that sounds a lot like genocide to me. It also sounds like a double standard since I don’t have the “right” to plow down the dummies standing in my way when I’m in a hurry or my awful father in law. Shouldn’t, by pro-choice standards, I have the right to do away with these people since my life is so much more important than theirs? Shouldn’t I be able to peal off their arms and legs and put them in a bucket and let them suffocate? Or is that just okay for you to do to your own baby? I call “unfair” on this one. I think we should just go all-in at this point and have the right to kill anyone no matter how long they’ve been out of the womb. Thank you, “pro-choicers” for your support.

    • Oedipa

      With ALEC’s and the NRA’s help, many state legislatures are trying out just what you propose. They’re called “Stand Your Ground” laws. Shoot anyone you want and claim self defense! Fun!

      • HMS

        That’s more like it! We need to pick on someone our own size. Or kill as the case may be. 

    • Violet

       I like you. You’re funny. :)

  • Jeanie

    Here’s a link for Republican women: http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/87be7156f5/republicans-get-in-my-vagina?playlist=featured_videos (“Republicans, get in my vagina!”)

  • Paulaannemorgan

    I dated a girl in high-school who had 2 abortions for so many wrong reasons. I lost a child in this and I can never forget what wrong we did. Neither can she. Thanks for all your doing and keep marching for all lost and stop this crime once and for all. Be stronger-Be closer

  • Bijoybalan

    Wow Thanks for the fantasy you made up about yourself and your industry. I love how you became creative when describing your behavior especially when you described that your industry  was holding our signs and simply praying and smiling. What you meant by that was that your simply taunting and called names to anyone that said something intelligent and you could not come up with an intellingent counterpoint. Believe me I have been called all kinds of names by pro-life all because I have dark skin and willing to challenge the white male domination theory of the pro-life industry. I love it when you said “more and more pro-choicers were escalating their conversations with us to the point of yelling, screaming profanities at us, and not easily backing down. Of course, none of that was mirrored on our side”. Yes Elizabeth I will believe it the same day I will start to believe in Santa Claus. Elizabeth let me give you a reality check. If you are not screaming, using profanity and bad mouthing and talking like a brainwashed person then you are not pro-life. If you agree with the woman who had a poster that said that she stands with Catholic Bishops then there is something terribly wrong with you. Because when you stand with the bishops you are standing up for child molestation, embezzlement and misogyny. I have interacted in various pro-life events and let me tell you all I see is negative, vindictive, rude people who are more busy screaming at me than showing any willingness to listen to facts. Love is the last thing I have experienced from Pro-life people. Last thing if you are a pro-life christian I wouldn’t recommend qouting Gandhi because from a pro-life point of view Gandhi was as a bad man because he fought against the white man. Ask any christian missionary to India about Gandhi and you will hear the word N*****r so many times that you will regret asking about him. Unless you are Ok with the N word. 

  • Paulo Mendonça

    Wanna stop the criminalization of abortion on the world? So please give a LIKE on brazillian’s movement on facebook in favor of abortion’s legalization, it will only take 5 seconds.

    The link is: facebook.com/abortoeumdireito

    Obrigado, my friends!  

  • Ashley

    That is so sad. I don’t see how they don’t see I DON’T GIVE A FREAKING CRAP WHAT A WOMAN DOES WITH HER BODY, I care when a baby’s life is involved. I am trying to end murder. TAke your birth control, get your tubes tied, have your husband or boyfriend have a vasectomy, abstain (which in my opinion is right), have as much sex as you want. Just don’t screw with an innocent baby